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  maandag 24 november 2008 @ 11:34:21 #51
15929 DiRadical
Everything's ruined
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Op maandag 24 november 2008 11:28 schreef waht het volgende:

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Het zal best meer geld opleveren, maar Nederland heeft nu eenmaal Kyoto ondertekend hè, dus zal er echt wel wat CO2 geinjecteerd worden. Doen ze geloof ik ook al in gedeeltelijk lege olie- of aardgasvelden om de productie (tijdelijk) te verbeteren.
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Ik weet dat de VEB een brief heeft gestuurd, maar DSM zit nu meer in de hoogwaardige materialen en de life-science produkten.
Alle bulkchemie ook al verkocht.
De kans dat DSM zelf nog gaat mijnen is denk ik niet zo groot.
Happyness is nature's way of informing human resources that you're overpaid
-Catbert: Evil director of HR
  maandag 24 november 2008 @ 12:24:53 #52
29444 RemcoDelft
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Op maandag 24 november 2008 11:28 schreef waht het volgende:

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Het zal best meer geld opleveren, maar Nederland heeft nu eenmaal Kyoto ondertekend hè, dus zal er echt wel wat CO2 geinjecteerd worden. Doen ze geloof ik ook al in gedeeltelijk lege olie- of aardgasvelden om de productie (tijdelijk) te verbeteren.
Tuurlijk, maar productie verbeteren is een heel ander motief dan CO2 opslaan! Dan is het zowel economisch als energetisch zinnig.
censuur :O
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Olieprijs met 9 procent omhoog tot ruim 54 dollar

NEW YORK - De olieprijs is maandag met bijna 9 procent gestegen tot ruim boven de 54 dollar per vat. De olieprijs staat onder druk door de verwachting dat het oliekartel OPEC de productie opnieuw gaat verlagen.

Ook de sterk stijgende beurskoersen en de zwakkere dollar jagen de olieprijs omhoog.

Volgens de topman van de OPEC kan de olieproductie met meer dan een miljoen vaten per dag omlaag om aan de huidige vraag te kunnen voldoen.

Begin november verlaagde de OPEC zijn productie ook al. De olieprijs is sinds het recordniveau van ruim 147 dollar per vat in juli sterk gedaald door zorgen over een dalende vraag naar olie door de afzwakkende wereldeconomie.

Aandelenkoersen

De stijgende aandelenkoersen op maandag joegen de olieprijs eveneens omhoog. Beleggers zijn wat optimistischer over de economische vooruitzichten.

Ook de afzwakkende dollar zorgt voor een hogere olieprijs. Een zwakke dollar maakt olie goedkoper voor handelaren met andere valuta en dat stuwt de vraag.
For great justice!
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Olie op $54 per vat.

Wat nieuws/artikelen;

OPEC wants oil at $75
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Nov. 30 (Bloomberg) -- OPEC deferred a decision on reducing production this year by two weeks to gauge the impact of earlier cuts, as it seeks to push oil prices back up to $75 a barrel.

Crude has dropped 62 percent from July’s record of $147.27 a barrel as the global recession erodes sales. Ali al-Naimi, the oil minister of Saudi Arabia, OPEC’s largest exporter and its de facto leader, said yesterday that $75 a barrel represents a “fair price” needed to support investment in new fields.

OPEC, which accounts for more than 40 percent of the world’s supply, will next meet in Oran, Algeria, on Dec. 17. In a statement after yesterday’s meeting in Cairo, the group warned demand will be “much lower” than expected a month ago. The cost of crude has continued to slide even after the group agreed last month to lower production by 1.5 million barrels a day.

“The way demand data continues to come out, especially from the U.S., suggests that they will have to cut,” said Raja Kiwan, a Dubai-based analyst at consultant PFC Energy.
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An Ode to Oil
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Oil lies at the heart of bitter civil wars in several parts of the world, notably West Africa, while several governments have recently been scrambling to stake their claims over the newly discovered deposits of the Arctic. Above all, it is often regarded as America's strategic Achilles' heel. President-elect Barack Obama has promised to end U.S. "foreign oil dependency," claiming that it can be used as a "weapon" that allows overseas governments, particularly "unstable, undemocratic governments...to wield undue influence over America's national security." Last weekend, Mr. Obama announced his plan to create a major economic stimulus package, including spending on alternate energy.
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This identification wholly ignores the dependency of foreign oil producers on their consumers, above all on the world's largest single market -- the United States. Despite efforts to diversify their economies, all of the world's key exporters are highly dependent on oil's proceeds and have always lived in fear of the moment that has now become real -- when global demand slackens and prices fall. The recent, dramatic fall in price per barrel -- now standing at around $54, less than four months after peaking at $147 -- perfectly exemplifies the producers' predicament.

So even if such a move were possible in today's global market, no oil exporter is ever in a position to alienate its customers. Supposed threats of embargoes ring hollow because no producer can assume that its own economy will be damaged any less than that of any importing country. What's more, a supply disruption would always seriously damp global demand. Even in the best of times, a prolonged price spike could easily tip the world into economic recession, prompt consumers to shake off their gasoline dependency, or accelerate a scientific drive to find alternative fuels. Fearful of this "demand destruction" when crude prices soared so spectacularly in the summer, the Saudis pledged to pump their wells at full tilt. It seems that their worst fears were realized: Americans drove 9.6 billion fewer miles in July this year compared with last, according to the Department of Transportation.
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Sometimes the markets will prove at least as effective as any American sanctions in keeping a tight political rein on oil producers. For example, when Russian forces attacked South Ossetia and Georgia on Aug. 8, Russia's stock market -- of which energy stocks comprise 60% -- plunged by nearly 7%, and within a week capital outflow reached a massive $16 billion, suddenly squeezing domestic credit while the ruble collapsed in value. A month later, the country was facing its worst crisis since the default of August 1998. But the future of the oil sector is so dependent on attracting massive foreign investment, and the wider Russian economy so heavily dependent on petrodollars, that the Kremlin simply can't afford to unnecessarily unnerve investors.
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Russia's oil, in other words, acted as peacemaker. This seems paradoxical for it has sometimes been said that the Kremlin's attack on South Ossetia and Georgia was prompted by an ambition to seize control of local pipelines. But although this was an aggravating factor, it was not the primary cause because Russian leaders would have felt threatened -- reasonably or not -- by the presence of NATO in what they regard as their own backyard even if the region was not an energy hub. They were also reportedly eyeing Ukraine, which has no petroleum deposits of its own and poses no threat to the dominance of their giant energy company, Gazprom.
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In general, oil is such a vital commodity, for consumers, producers and intermediaries alike, that it represents a meeting point for all manner of different interests. Sometimes it offers an opportunity for competitors and rivals to resolve differences, as in March 1995, when Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani tried to break deadlock with Washington by offering a technically very demanding oil contract to Conoco. Today, the symbiotic energy requirements of Europe and Russia allows scope to improve mutual relations, not least if European governments act in unison to impose the rules of the European Union's energy charter on Moscow. Oil also gives consumers a chance to penalize, or tempt, international miscreants, just as U.S. sanctions are forcing the Tehran regime to reassess its cost-benefit analysis of building the bomb.

What cannot go unchallenged is a facile equation between oil on the one hand, and war, bloodshed and, in America's particular case, strategic vulnerability on the other. For oil, fortunately, can often be our guardian.
Shell puts another oil sands project on hold
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CALGARY, Alta. -- Royal Dutch Shell PLC is delaying another Canadian oil sands project, saying Thursday it has withdrawn a regulatory application for its 100,000 barrel per day Carmon Creek thermal project as it looks to shave costs by revamping the project.

The delay is the latest blow to what had been an ambitious schedule of projects for Canada's oil sands. The oil sands region of northern Alberta contains the largest oil reserves outside the Middle East, but they are technically challenging and expensive to extract.

Shell, one of the biggest players in the oil sands, last month delayed an expansion of its oil sands mining operation when costs rose and oil prices fell.
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Oil demand falls first time in a generation
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LONDON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - Global oil demand is expected to decline slightly in 2008 and 2009, the first drop in a generation, as the most severe economic crisis since the 1930s slashes consumption across the developed world.

Worldwide demand will decline by 20,000 barrels per day (bpd) in both 2008 and 2009 to 86.03 and 86.01 million bpd respectively, according to a Reuters poll of 11 analysts, banks and industry groups.

The slight fall is a large shift from a Reuters poll of experts in August, which forecast demand would increase by nearly 1 million bpd next year. Demand has not declined since the early 1980s, following the 1979 oil crisis and a severe recession in the United States.

"Global GDP growth is the main driver of oil demand, and with the economic slowdown we see global GDP rising by just 1.2 percent next year," Michael Lewis, head of commodities research at Deutsche Bank, said.

"Oil demand growth tends to lag world GDP growth by about 2 percent, so we think we'll see demand falling."
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"Given that emerging markets have been the engine of global oil demand growth in the past few years, a deteriorating economic outlook for non-OECD economies is clearly worrying," analysts at Merrill Lynch said in a report released on Wednesday.

"Although emerging market oil demand growth will still be positive overall, it will be substantially below the levels observed in the past few years."
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
  zondag 30 november 2008 @ 15:08:05 #55
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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Op maandag 24 november 2008 12:24 schreef RemcoDelft het volgende:

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Tuurlijk, maar productie verbeteren is een heel ander motief dan CO2 opslaan! Dan is het zowel economisch als energetisch zinnig.
Het is nog veel zinniger als je er vanwege een klimaathoax subsidie voor krijgt.
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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TT is weer actueel
  dinsdag 2 december 2008 @ 15:38:27 #57
236066 Koen465
Jagged Alliance 2
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Zonder olie leefden we nu nog zoals 150 jaar geleden. Stel je voor: geen internet geen wasmachine, magnetron, oven en al die andere elektronische shit die je maar in huis kan halen. Fantastisch dat dat spul minder dan 50$ per vat kost. De dollar is weliswaar sterker geworden maar dan nog kost 't niks. Goed voor Amerika: kunnen ze eindelijk die 2 oorlogen winnen en in Irak naar olie gaan boren om hun economie weer op gang te brengen. Van mij mogen we nog 100 jaar zo dooraan. De aarde gaat echt niet naar de kl*te van wat wij uitstoten hoor! Een vulkaanuitbarsting en je praat pas écht over CO2 uistoot. Kappen dus met die windmolens etc. Veel te duur en levert te weinig op. Gewoon zo doorgaan en nieuwe kerncentrales bouwen en het probleem is opgelost. Over 100 jaar hebben we alle CO2 veilig onder de grond zitten en kunnen we weer net als 250 jaar geleden gaan leven.
Vet spel
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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 15:38 schreef Koen465 het volgende:
Zonder olie leefden we nu nog zoals 150 jaar geleden. Stel je voor: geen internet geen wasmachine, magnetron, oven en al die andere elektronische shit die je maar in huis kan halen. Fantastisch dat dat spul minder dan 50$ per vat kost. De dollar is weliswaar sterker geworden maar dan nog kost 't niks. Goed voor Amerika: kunnen ze eindelijk die 2 oorlogen winnen en in Irak naar olie gaan boren om hun economie weer op gang te brengen. Van mij mogen we nog 100 jaar zo dooraan. De aarde gaat echt niet naar de kl*te van wat wij uitstoten hoor! Een vulkaanuitbarsting en je praat pas écht over CO2 uistoot. Kappen dus met die windmolens etc. Veel te duur en levert te weinig op. Gewoon zo doorgaan en nieuwe kerncentrales bouwen en het probleem is opgelost. Over 100 jaar hebben we alle CO2 veilig onder de grond zitten en kunnen we weer net als 250 jaar geleden gaan leven.
Huilie
lekker faxen heel de dag echt genot
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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 15:38 schreef Koen465 het volgende:
Zonder olie leefden we nu nog zoals 150 jaar geleden. Stel je voor: geen internet geen wasmachine, magnetron, oven en al die andere elektronische shit die je maar in huis kan halen. Fantastisch dat dat spul minder dan 50$ per vat kost. De dollar is weliswaar sterker geworden maar dan nog kost 't niks. Goed voor Amerika: kunnen ze eindelijk die 2 oorlogen winnen en in Irak naar olie gaan boren om hun economie weer op gang te brengen. Van mij mogen we nog 100 jaar zo dooraan. De aarde gaat echt niet naar de kl*te van wat wij uitstoten hoor! Een vulkaanuitbarsting en je praat pas écht over CO2 uistoot. Kappen dus met die windmolens etc. Veel te duur en levert te weinig op. Gewoon zo doorgaan en nieuwe kerncentrales bouwen en het probleem is opgelost. Over 100 jaar hebben we alle CO2 veilig onder de grond zitten en kunnen we weer net als 250 jaar geleden gaan leven.
Haha, nog 100 jaar zo doorgaan
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onder de 47 dollar geweest vanavond
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Staat op het moment van deze reply op $ 47,22
lekker faxen heel de dag echt genot
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Mooi, dan hebben we het deze winter nog lekker warm.

NYT: Hawaii Endorses Plan for Electric Cars

Reuters: Canada oil sands seen threatening millions of birds

CNN: Big Oil's money problem
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There is a third view as well - that oil prices will return to record levels fairly shortly, but oil company profits won't follow.

That's because oil firms will have to spend an increasing amount of money bringing new, more expensive supplies to market as older, cheap-to-pump fields dry up.

It's estimated that Saudi Arabia can still pump crude from it's massive Ghawar oil field for a little over $1 a barrel, but when that field may run dry is anyone's guess.

Some new fields, like those in the deep water Gulf of Mexico, are expected to cost over $90 a barrel to produce.

Some new projects, like off Russia's Saklin Island and in the Caspian Sea, are already way over budget and behind schedule.

"We may be back up to $150 a barrel, but costs are up too," said Douglas Ober, head of the Baltimore-based investment fund Petroleum & Resources. "We may concievably never see these profitably levels again."
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
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Zojuist getankt voor 1,13 euro
  woensdag 3 december 2008 @ 21:50:51 #64
206640 Beelzebufo
All my vices are devices!
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Diesel vandaag voor 0.989 bij de TinQ!
Een Rijnlandse morgen (ca. 8516 vierkante meter) is onderverdeeld in 6 hont, een hont in 100 vierkante roeden, en een roede in 144 vierkante voet.
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$ 45,34
lekker faxen heel de dag echt genot
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De 44 is ook gekraakt.
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43,45 as we speak
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Crude near four-year low on demand concerns

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Crude-oil futures fell Thursday for a fifth straight session, slumping nearly 7% to trade at their lowest level in nearly four years amid ongoing worries that the economic slump will reduce energy demand.

Meanwhile, natural gas extended its losses after government data showed a decline in U.S. inventories that came in line with analysts' expectations. Crude for January delivery was last down $3.15, or 6.8%, at $43.62 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It fell to $43.51 earlier, the lowest level since January 2005.

Total U.S. petroleum products supplied in the past four week dropped 6.6% from the same period a year ago, the Energy Information Administration reported Wednesday. Motor gasoline demand in the world's biggest oil consuming country dropped 2.8%. "Oil continues to trade on lower expectations for petroleum consumption," said James Williams, an energy economist at research firm WTRG Economics. "Folks without jobs drive less, and those in fear of losing their jobs are minimizing expenditures." The Labor Department will report last month's unemployment numbers Friday. Analysts are expecting that payrolls fell by the most since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Global oil demand will show an "outright contraction" of 0.5% next year, according to Merrill Lynch analysts led by Francisco Blanch. They predicted the world economy to grow by only 1.3% in 2009, the lowest since 1982. Oil prices will stand at $43 on average in the first quarter of 2009 and $45 in the second quarter, the Merrill analysts wrote in a recent report. They also expected an average price of $56 a barrel in the second half of 2009.

U.S. natural-gas inventories fell 64 billion cubic feet in the week ended Nov. 28 to 3,358, the Energy Information Administration reported Thursday. Analysts at Global Insight had projected a withdrawal of 58 billion cubic feet. Stocks were 107 billion cubic feet less than last year at this time and 69 above the five-year average, the EIA said. After the report, January natural-gas futures extended falls, down 4.2% to $6.083 per million British thermal units. In other energy trading, January reformulated gasoline fell 1.3% to $1.0275 a gallon, and January heating oil fell 0.6% to $1.574 a gallon.

Central banks around the world cut their interest rates further Wednesday to rescue the ailing economy, but analysts expected their effort will do little to boost energy demand in the short term. The Bank of England dropped its key lending rate by a full percentage point to 2%, the lowest level for the benchmark since 1939. The European Central Bank also slashed its key lending rate by three-quarters of a percentage point to 2.5%. The cut is the largest in the ECB's 10-year history. Earlier Thursday, Sweden's Riksbank delivered a larger-than-expected 1.75 percentage point cut in its repo rate, bringing it down to 2%.

"This is a positive reaction to the global economic slowdown, but these measures take time to filter through into the wider economy and so will have little effect on the short-term bearish fundamental picture for oil," said Nimit Khamar, an analyst at Sucden Research, in a note. "We expect markets to remain under pressure until either demand starts rising, which we do not expect any time soon given the current economic condition, or large cuts by OPEC later this month," he said.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, which controls about 40% of the world's oil production, chose not to reduce production at its meeting in Cairo last weekend. However, the oil cartel will meet next on Dec. 17 in Oran, Algeria, where production cuts may be announced.
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Op woensdag 3 december 2008 21:50 schreef Beelzebufo het volgende:
Diesel vandaag voor 0.989 bij de TinQ!
Hier ook bij de Shell Express. Ik wacht nog even tot de 80 cent voordat ik ga tanken.
The Hick from French Lick
The camera always points both ways. In expressing the subject, you also express yourself.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a1yPHYy6sHHg&refer=home

"and a plunge in energy shares following Merrill Lynch & Co.’s prediction that oil will hit $25 a barrel. "
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41,99 low van vandaag
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Is dit nou het effect van de mensen die massaal puts kochten op 30 dollar of is er echt een massaal verminderde vraag naar olie? De kosten van een vaatje Brent kruipen al dicht tegen de 30 dollar aan namelijk....

Het antwoord zal wel ergens in het midden liggen.
Ain't nothing to it but to do it.
Greece
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Yep, zelfde als met de extreme stijging.

Wel opvallend trouwens, dat de olieprijs nog aan zijn grootste opmars moest beginnen toen de VS al lang in een recessie zat (achteraf bezien).

nieuwe low 41,58 (crude januari)
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40,84 low
dit gaat wel heueueueul snel
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Paar weken geleden was de put op een olieprijs van 25 euro het meest verhandelde stuk op de hele beurs .
Op maandag 30 november 2009 19:30 schreef Ian_Nick het volgende:
Pietje's hobby is puzzelen en misschien ben jij wel het laatste stukje O+
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Op vrijdag 5 december 2008 17:48 schreef PietjePuk007 het volgende:
Paar weken geleden was de put op een olieprijs van 25 euro het meest verhandelde stuk op de hele beurs .
Was dat niet op 30?
Ain't nothing to it but to do it.
Greece
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