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  woensdag 1 november 2006 @ 12:43:04 #201
37676 freako
Onverbeterlijke optimist
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quote:
Op woensdag 1 november 2006 12:06 schreef rubbereend het volgende:
zijn er nog ontwikkelingen?
Er werd druk gespeculeerd dat de Democraat Mark Warner, een populaire voormalig gouverneur van Virginia, zich kandidaat zou stellen. Maar die heeft zich onverwacht teruggetrokken.
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Te vroeg om te zeggen.
  woensdag 1 november 2006 @ 13:26:00 #203
153070 Rock_de_Braziliaan
Stranger than fiction
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Waar kan ik peilingen vinden van de aankomende verkiezingen in de VS? Die van de senaat en huis van afgevaardigden?
"I think I'm in a tragedy"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504[/youtube]
"In America today profit is privatized but risk is increasingly socialized"
  woensdag 1 november 2006 @ 13:52:27 #204
37676 freako
Onverbeterlijke optimist
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quote:
Op woensdag 1 november 2006 13:26 schreef Rock_de_Braziliaan het volgende:
Waar kan ik peilingen vinden van de aankomende verkiezingen in de VS? Die van de senaat en huis van afgevaardigden?
http://www.politics1.com
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
  woensdag 1 november 2006 @ 14:04:00 #205
153070 Rock_de_Braziliaan
Stranger than fiction
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Dank je.
"I think I'm in a tragedy"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504[/youtube]
"In America today profit is privatized but risk is increasingly socialized"
  woensdag 1 november 2006 @ 19:21:27 #206
91676 Plato1980
Gloriosus et liber
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quote:
Op woensdag 1 november 2006 12:43 schreef freako het volgende:

[..]

Er werd druk gespeculeerd dat de Democraat Mark Warner, een populaire voormalig gouverneur van Virginia, zich kandidaat zou stellen. Maar die heeft zich onverwacht teruggetrokken.
Dat is opvallend, hij werd immers als één van de grote kanshebbers gezien. Bovendien maakte hij als zuiderling een behoorlijke kans om ook de verkiezingen te winnen.
Giallo e nero è il tuo colore,
giallo e nero Roda nel cuore.
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Op woensdag 1 november 2006 19:21 schreef Plato1980 het volgende:

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Dat is opvallend, hij werd immers als één van de grote kanshebbers gezien. Bovendien maakte hij als zuiderling een behoorlijke kans om ook de verkiezingen te winnen.
Vergeet het maar.

In de Democratische partij hebben de linksen zoals Howard Dean en Hillary Clinton het voor het zeggen. Een gematigde Democraat als Warner heeft geen enkele kans in het linkse geweld. Ik had Warner een goede kans toegedicht in de uiteindelijke verkiezingen, omdat hij ook gematigde Republikeinen naar zich toe kan trekken, maar de primaries zou hij niet overleven.
Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
  woensdag 1 november 2006 @ 23:59:24 #208
96190 PJORourke
Beautiful burnout
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McCain-Rice
What are you going to do to me? You go fuck yourself - I say what I want.
- Oriana Fallaci 1929-2006
  donderdag 2 november 2006 @ 00:06:55 #209
10763 popolon
Fetchez la vache!
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"Obama has the charisma to skyrocket right to the head of the pack."
Patience is not one of my virtues, neither is memory. Or patience for that matter.
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http://www.walken2008.com/

I feel that instead of sending billions to the Pentagon's pet projects, it should go to the troops."
We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
Eisenhower1961.
  Moderator / Redactie Sport / Weblog donderdag 2 november 2006 @ 00:28:50 #211
17650 crew  rubbereend
JUICHEN
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dat zou een flinke strijd worden Obama vs Clinton
DeLuna vindt me dik ;(
Op zondag 22 juni 2014 12:30 schreef 3rdRock het volgende:
pas als jullie gaan trouwen. nu ben je gewoon die Oom Rubber die met onze mama leuke dingen doet :)
  donderdag 2 november 2006 @ 03:55:09 #212
93076 BaajGuardian
De echte BG, die tof is.
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obama bim baden?
Vraag yvonne maar hoe tof ik ben, die gaf mij er ooit een tagje voor.
  donderdag 2 november 2006 @ 04:02:35 #213
71480 zoalshetis
eerlijk=eerlijk
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als het maar geen bush adept is.
hoofdletters kosten teveel tijd
don't avoid pain to gain pleasure
niet iedereen is iedereen
  donderdag 2 november 2006 @ 04:23:24 #214
93076 BaajGuardian
De echte BG, die tof is.
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volgens mij word het cheney
Vraag yvonne maar hoe tof ik ben, die gaf mij er ooit een tagje voor.
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Barak Obama denkt nu om zich kandidaat te stellen voor de presidents verkiezingen. Waarschijnlijk wordt dit een strijd in de democraten kamp tussen Hilary en Obama. YES! En Obama is zeer geliefd/populair onder de Amerikanen als ik zo al die berichten lees op de Amerikaanse forums en media.


Obama considers presidential run
POSTED: 9:04 p.m. EDT, October 22, 2006

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama said Sunday that he may run for president in 2008, despite previous assertions that he would complete his current six-year senatorial term, which ends in 2011.

"I would say I am still at the point where I have not made a decision to pursue higher office, but it is true that I have thought about it over the last several months," the 45-year-old Democratic senator from Illinois told NBC's "Meet the Press."

In January, Obama told NBC that he would not run for president or vice president in 2008.

Asked Sunday about his earlier stance, Obama said, "That was how I was thinking at that time."

"I don't want to be coy about this, given the responses that I've been getting over the last several months," he said. "I have thought about the possibility, but I have not thought about it with the seriousness and depth that I think is required."

Obama has given a slew of interviews in recent weeks to television shows, magazines and other publications to promote his new book, "The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream." The book, published last week, touches on themes of race and identity. (Watch Obama talk about his plans on Larry King Live -- 11:37 )

He wove many of the same topics into his 2004 Democratic convention speech. The speech, and his election to the Senate that same year, helped propel the attorney and father of two to an overnight political sensation in Democratic circles.

"He is so appealing because he has escaped some of the normal, you know, bad stuff that happens to people on the campaign trail," Lynne Sweet, a columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, said Sunday on CNN's "Reliable Sources."

"And here's the realization I think his people and Sen. Obama is coming to, and it's this: you can't time timing."

Other columnists have hailed Obama as the solution to the Democratic Party's woes in winning elections.

"The next Democratic nominee should either be Barack Obama or should have the stature that would come from defeating Barack Obama," David Brooks, a conservative op-ed columnist for The New York Times, wrote in his Thursday column, entitled, "Run, Barack, Run."

Frank Rich, a liberal op-ed columnist for the same newspaper, wrote in his Sunday piece that much of the Democrats' long-term success will depend on whether "Obama steps up and changes the party before the party of terminal timidity and equivocation changes him."

Political analysts have also speculated that another Democrat, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, is gearing up for a presidential bid in 2008. In a Sunday debate with Republican challenger John Spencer, the junior senator from New York wouldn't say definitively if she would complete her six-year term if re-elected.

Spencer accused her of using New Yorkers' time to run for president. Clinton would make a "tremendous candidate for the president of the United States but not at the expense of New Yorkers," he said. (Full story)

This month, former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner, a man many saw as another possible Democratic presidential contender, ruled out a 2008 bid.



[ Bericht 85% gewijzigd door Stratos op 02-11-2006 05:30:26 ]
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October 26th 2006.

Obama's New Rules
In the past 10 days, he has turned American politics upside down.
By Jacob Weisberg


Political assumptions can remain constant for long periods and then change very quickly. And so they have in the approximately 10 days since the publication of Barack Obama's book The Audacity of Hope. In the brief time he's been on book tour, Obama has overthrown much of the reigning conventional wisdom about what's likely to happen in the 2008 campaign, how shrewd politicians ought to behave, and what the informal rules of the American system really are. Consider the following statements thought true by the political class in early October but called into question by month's end.

1. Hillary Clinton is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination.
There was a basis for thinking this until Oct. 18, the day Obama appeared on Oprah. Hillary has raised a formidable amount of money, lined up extensive backing, and has the Democrats' best political thinker for a spouse. Obama's bigger advantage is that the party is actually excited about him and thinks he could win. Based on an unscientific reading of Democratic enthusiasm, Obama, not Hillary, will be the de facto Democratic front-runner the day he declares himself a candidate. If Obama chooses not to run, he could still sap Hillary's strength, the way Colin Powell did Bob Dole's in 1996, by reminding primary voters that their most promising candidate isn't in the race.

2. John McCain can beat anyone the Democrats put up.
"Our sense right now is that McCain would beat any Democrat including Hillary Clinton, and Clinton would beat any Republican except for McCain." Thus spake political guru Mark Halperin of ABC News and John Harris of the Washington Post in their book, The Way to Win. Obama upsets that equation because of his crossover appeal to independents and moderate Republicans. Like John McCain, the candidate he would be most likely to face in 2008 if he won the Democratic nomination, Obama attracts support more through his style, personality, and biography than by his specific positions. Last week, New York Times columnist David Brooks, a long-standing McCain fan, nearly announced his defection to Obama in an admiring column($). As for McCain himself, he would evidently prefer to run against Clinton than Obama.

3. Democrats have a problem with religion.
In 2000 and 2004, evangelical Christians and regular churchgoers voted overwhelmingly for George W. Bush. Neither Al Gore nor John Kerry was comfortable talking about his faith or employing a religious idiom, leading many to conclude that Democrats were doomed to function as the secular party in a still-religious nation. Obama is the rare Democrat who talks easily about faith and values, and who does so without upsetting those offended by the mixture of religion and politics. In a thoughtful speech last summer that also forms the basis of a chapter of his book, Obama explained his own religious motivation and defended the use of spiritual language in a political context. He argues that his party should explicitly try to win over the spiritual followers of more moderate evangelical leaders such as Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes. Obama hasn't closed the Democrats' religious gap, but he has initiated a productive conversation about how to narrow it.

4. Old liberalism is dead.
Closely allied to the assumption that Democrats can't win because they're too secular is the view that they can't win if they're too liberal. This assumption has steered Hillary Clinton toward the center, following her husband. I tend to share this view myself. But somehow it doesn't seem to apply to Obama, who has excited centrist Democrats and many moderate Republicans while steering clear of the Democratic Leadership Council and earning a perfect-100 score from Americans for Democratic Action in his first year in the Senate. Obama began his political career as a community organizer and civil rights lawyer in Chicago. He is close to unions and voted against CAFTA, the most recent free-trade agreement to come before Congress. His domestic policies are consistently liberal on issues like national health care and affirmative action (though he supports the death penalty in certain circumstances and has not come out for gay marriage). He was a big dove on the Iraq war. None of this seems off-putting to people who would dismiss almost any other candidate with Obama's views.

5. Extreme partisanship works.
Obama can thrive as a liberal because of another paradox: the resonance of his moderate, deliberative style and calls for "common ground." The lesson of recent elections seemed to be that bipartisanship was dead. Congressional gerrymandering, the rise of the Section 527 loophole, and a more partisan media have all contributed to the current, polarized environment. Obama rejects all of this. The main theme of his book is that something has gone wrong with American politics because of how divided, absolutist, and bitter it has become. He invariably tries to see issues through the eyes of his opponents, sometimes to the point of self-parody. Though the call for bipartisanship is the quintessential Washington platitude, it doesn't sound that way coming from Obama. He somehow makes civility, moderation, and compromise into rallying cries.

6. Politicians must tread carefully.
Watching a Hillary Clinton or a Bill Frist, you could get the idea that a single miscalculation or misstatement is fatal to American political careers. But like McCain in 2000, Obama simply declines to play a cautious and calculating game. His approach in the many television and public appearances he's been making around his book is one of disarming frankness. (McCain, meanwhile, has made his peace with Bush, the Republican establishment, and the religious right.) At a magazine conference this week in Phoenix, I watched David Remnick of The New Yorker interview Obama on a stage. Obama declined to deeply regret his much-publicized youthful indiscretions with drugs. He suggested that believing in angels is a sign of irrationality. And he acknowledged that his wife doesn't like his choice of careers. He disarms challenges with grace, humor, and unexpected candor.

7. The bubble must pop.
Skeptics note that we've been through swoons like this before—including for McCain in 2000. Obama could turn out to be just another liberal fad, like Howard Dean in 2004. Once he decides to run, the cynics assure us, his halo will tarnish or crack. And maybe so. But this time, maybe not.

Jacob Weisberg is editor of Slate and co-author, with Robert E. Rubin, of In an Uncertain World.

Article URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2152252
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Adolf Hitler zal de volgende president worden
Free people own guns! Slaves do not!
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Die is allang dood, en zoveel haat jegens joden en minderheden is er niet in de V.S. zoals in Europa.
  donderdag 2 november 2006 @ 06:35:38 #219
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Op donderdag 2 november 2006 06:11 schreef Stratos het volgende:
Die is allang dood, en zoveel haat jegens joden en minderheden is er niet in de V.S. zoals in Europa.
Daar zou ik niet al te prat op gaan, ook in de VS zijn genoeg problemen natuurlijk. Maar dat is een hele andere discussie.
Patience is not one of my virtues, neither is memory. Or patience for that matter.
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Ik heb Obama een paar keer zien spreken. Goede kandidaat, aardige vent, eloquent, intelligent. Maar ondanks alles blijft hij een big governmnent liberal. En daar zit ik niet op te wachten.
Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
  donderdag 2 november 2006 @ 09:54:40 #221
91676 Plato1980
Gloriosus et liber
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Op woensdag 1 november 2006 23:56 schreef Lyrebird het volgende:

[..]

Vergeet het maar.

In de Democratische partij hebben de linksen zoals Howard Dean en Hillary Clinton het voor het zeggen. Een gematigde Democraat als Warner heeft geen enkele kans in het linkse geweld. Ik had Warner een goede kans toegedicht in de uiteindelijke verkiezingen, omdat hij ook gematigde Republikeinen naar zich toe kan trekken, maar de primaries zou hij niet overleven.
De linkse democraten weten inmiddels ook dat een zuiderling de beste manier is om de Rpublikeinen te verslaan. De laatste drie Democraten die het tot president geschopt hebben (Johnson, Carter & Clinton) waren alledrie afkomstig uit het Zuiden en dat is geen toeval.
Giallo e nero è il tuo colore,
giallo e nero Roda nel cuore.
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Op donderdag 2 november 2006 06:38 schreef Lyrebird het volgende:
Ik heb Obama een paar keer zien spreken. Goede kandidaat, aardige vent, eloquent, intelligent. Maar ondanks alles blijft hij een big governmnent liberal. En daar zit ik niet op te wachten.
Bush gooit natuurlijk heel weinig geld over de balk ...
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Op donderdag 2 november 2006 04:23 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
volgens mij word het cheney
met dat hart van hem?
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Ik gok op McCain vs. Edwards en dat McCain dan dik wint.
  donderdag 2 november 2006 @ 10:12:17 #225
91676 Plato1980
Gloriosus et liber
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Op donderdag 2 november 2006 10:08 schreef Puzzelaar het volgende:

[..]

met dat hart van hem?
Cheney wordt het niet, die is denk ik wel zo slim om zich niet kandidaat te stellen.
Giallo e nero è il tuo colore,
giallo e nero Roda nel cuore.
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