[POL SC #732] De PvdA babyboom verzameling.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 12:59 schreef pberends het volgende:
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2e gast van linksonder .

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 12:46 schreef Tafkahs het volgende:

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Okay, da's leuk om te maken. ALs je wijn wilt maken -als hobbyist-, dan gebruik je ook appelsap als basis. Heb je al eens eerder zoiets geprobeerd?

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:02 schreef Tafkahs het volgende:
hoe heet dat driftkikkertje ook alweer?

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Minister Brinkhorst ongedeerd na aardbeving Tokio

Uitgegeven: 16 oktober 2005 13:00
AMSTERDAM - Bij de aardbeving in Tokio is minister van Economische Zaken Laurens-Jan Brinkhorst (D66) zondag ongedeerd gebleven. "Hij heeft de beving niet gevoeld", zegt zijn woordvoerder Job Frieszo. De minister is in Tokio voor een werkbezoek en spreekt onder andere met zijn ambtsgenoot.

Japan werd zondag getroffen door een aardbeving met een kracht van 5.1 op de schaal van Richter. Het epicentrum lag ten noordoosten van de hoofdstad.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:00 schreef Godslasteraar het volgende:

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Verandert de uitspraak? Maak mij niet verantwoordelijk voor onlogisch en stompzinnig spellingsfetisjisme van letterkundigen, lees letterneukers. Wie heeft ook die belachelijke d-t regeltjes verzonnen? Echt iets voor alfa's

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'Groot-Brittannië dreigt politiestaat te worden'
Gepubliceerd op zondag 16 oktober 2005
LONDEN (ANP) - Vooraanstaande Britse rechters, advocaten en politici vrezen dat Groot-Brittannië geleidelijk aan een politiestaat wordt. Een voormalig lid van het hoogste Britse rechtscollege heeft gezegd dat de ondermijning van de rechtspraak angstaanjagende parallellen vertoont met nazi-Duitsland.

Dat meldde de krant The Independent on Sunday. De juristen en politici met wie de krant sprak, zeiden dat de regering burgerlijke vrijheden ondermijnt die eeuwen lang als vanzelfsprekend werden beschouwd. Onvervreemdbare rechten zullen als sneeuw voor de zon verdwijnen tenzij premier Blair ophoudt met zijn aanvallen op de rechterlijke macht en de vrijheden die zijn vastgelegd in de wet op de mensenrechten.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:27 schreef MrX1982 het volgende:

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Abolish government
There's nothing to it
Forget about God
He's no innocent
We live by a system
Of perfect goals
People vs. people who are bored and old

Life must rest on the man who represents

Looking for nothing in this
Campus with just friends
President the name
President the label
The highest man on the government table

Superficial love only for a f**k
But love is incest and it's only for a f**k
To the guys provided free
Peace time war time country's in vein

All die for this land some over seas
I live for the summons serve my country
Army, Navy, Air Force or jail
To the guys provided for free
Peace time war time country's in vein

But that's the American way what it is to be free
If that's what they call freedom it's not for me

Suck my motherf**kin' dick

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 12:59 schreef pberends het volgende:
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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:33 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Nu ga ik weer zoeken naar verdere anti-Amerikaanse propaganda,

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In 1891, Frank L. Baum (gentle author of “The Wizard Of Oz”) wrote in the Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer (Kansas) that the army should “finish the job” by the “total annihilation” of the few remaining Indians.
The U.S. did not follow through on Baum’s macabre demand, for there really was no need. By then the native population had been reduced to 2.5% of its original numbers and 97.5% of the aboriginal land base had been expropriated and renamed “The land of the free and the home of the brave.”
Hundreds upon hundreds of native tribes with unique languages, learning, customs, and cultures had simply been erased from the face of the earth, most often without even the pretense of justice or law.

- Hans Koning, 6. Hans Koning, The Conquest of America: How The Indian Nations Lost Their Continent
New York: Monthly Review Press, 1993, pg. 46.; ISBN 0-85345-876-6
“From the beginning, the Spaniards saw the native Americans as natural slaves, beasts of burden, part of the loot. When working them to death was more economical than treating them somewhat humanely, they worked them to death.
“The English, on the other hand, had no use for the native peoples. They saw them as devil worshippers, savages who were beyond salvation by the church, and exterminating them increasingly became accepted policy.” [6, pg.14]

-The British arrived in Jamestown in 1607. By 1610 the intentional extermination of the native population was well along. As David E. Stannard has written, 3. David E. Stannard, American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World
New York: Oxford University Press, 1992; ISBN 0-19-507581-1
“Hundreds of Indians were killed in skirmish after skirmish. Other hundreds were killed in successful plots of mass poisoning. They were hunted down by dogs, ‘blood-Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives [mastiffs] to seize them.’
“Their canoes and fishing weirs were smashed, their villages and agricultural fields burned to the ground. Indian peace offers were accepted by the English only until their prisoners were returned; then, having lulled the natives into false security, the colonists returned to the attack.
“It was the colonists’ expressed desire that the Indians be exterminated, rooted ‘out from being longer a people upon the face of the Earth.’ In a single raid the settlers destroyed corn sufficient to feed four thousand people for a year.
“Starvation and the massacre of non-combatants was becoming the preferred British approach to dealing with the natives.” [3, pg.106]

In Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Jersey extermination was officially promoted by a “scalp bounty” on dead Indians.
“Indeed, in many areas it [murdering Indians] became an outright business,” writes historian Ward Churchill. [5, pg.182] 5. Ward Churchill, A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present
San Francisco: City Lights Books, 1997; ISBN 0-87286-323-9
Indians were defined as subhumans, lower than animals. George Washington compared them to wolves, “beasts of prey” and called for their total destruction. [3, pgs.119-120]
Andrew Jackson — whose [innocent-looking] portrait appears on the U.S. $20 bill today — in 1814: “supervised the mutilation of 800 or more Creek Indian corpses — the bodies of men, women and children that [his troops] had massacred — cutting off their noses to count and preserve a record of the dead.” [5, pg.186]


The English policy of extermination — another name for genocide — grew more insistent as settlers pushed westward:
· In 1851 the Governor of California officially called for the extermination of the Indians in his state. [3, pg.144]
· On March 24, 1863, the Rocky Mountain News in Denver ran an editorial titled, “Exterminate Them.”
· On April 2, 1863, the Santa Fe New Mexican advocated “extermination of the Indians.” [5, pg.228]
· In 1867, General William Tecumseh Sherman said: “We must act with vindictive earnestness against the [Lakotas, known to whites as the Sioux] even to their extermination, men, women and children.” [5, pg.240]

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:31 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Is dat lachwekkend? Want naar mijn mening hebben ze een punt: het gaat ver, erg ver, té ver. We (Amerika, Engeland, Nederland) worden steeds meer derdewereldlanden wat betreft justitie. En dat is leuk, schijnbaar.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:33 schreef Godslasteraar het volgende:
Laurens-Jan Brinkhorst? zijn er nog mensen die deze man serieus nemen?

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:04 schreef sigme het volgende:

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Mijn moeder is een zelfmaakster met kruiden- en moestuin, de afgelopen jaren is daar (onder andere) wijn gemaakt, en ook wel wat destilleerpogingen ondernomen. Zo'n 10 jaar terug hebben we een paar jaar cider gemaakt.

Tegenwoordig heeft mijn moeder een baan, nu heeft ze niet veel tijd meer voor zelfmaakdingen. Dus assisteer ik geen wijn- en biermakerij meer. Maar over een paar jaar ga ik het zelf doen, kan zij mij assisteren. Net als met de schaapjes.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:20 schreef sigme het volgende:

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ik.ben.een.beta

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Natuurlijk verandert de uitspraak. Niet bij d/t, maar "hoeven" klinkt heel anders dan "hoefen". "Moet" klinkt als "moed".

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:36 schreef MrX1982 het volgende:

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Ach een vergelijking met nazi-Duitsland is zo cliché en doet de geloofwaardigheid geen goed.
Wat mij betreft is het simpel scoren maar we zullen zien wanneer GB Europa gaat veroveren

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Eight British soldiers killed during ambushes in Iraq were the victims of a highly sophisticated bomb first used by the IRA, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.

The soldiers, who were targeted by insurgents as they travelled through the country, died after being attacked with bombs triggered by infra-red beams. The bombs were developed by the IRA using technology passed on by the security services in a botched "sting" operation more than a decade ago.

This contradicts the British government's claims that Iran's Revolutionary Guard is helping Shia insurgents to make the devices.

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The Independent on Sunday can also reveal that the bombs and the firing devices used to kill the soldiers, as well as two private security guards, were initially created by the UK security services as part of a counter-terrorism strategy at the height of the troubles in the early 1990s.

According to security sources, the technology for the bombs used in the attacks, which were developed using technology from photographic flash units, was employed by the IRA some 15 years ago after Irish terrorists were given advice by British agents.

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But a former agent who infiltrated the IRA told The Independent on Sunday that the technology reached the Middle East through the IRA's co-operation with Palestinian groups. In turn, some of these groups used to be sponsored by Saddam Hussein and his Baath party.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:08 schreef Drugshond het volgende:

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Enneüs Heerma

Een Friese antirevolutionair die een minister van Gezinszaken wilde aanstellen.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:36 schreef MrX1982 het volgende:

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Ach een vergelijking met nazi-Duitsland is zo cliché en doet de geloofwaardigheid geen goed.
Wat mij betreft is het simpel scoren maar we zullen zien wanneer GB Europa gaat veroveren

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Protest is criminalised and the huffers and puffers say nothing

The police abuse terror and harassment laws to penalise dissent while we insist civil liberties are our gift to the world


George Monbiot
Tuesday October 4, 2005
The Guardian

'We are trying to fight 21st-century crime - antisocial behaviour, drug dealing, binge drinking, organised crime - with 19th-century methods, as if we still lived in the time of Dickens." Tony Blair, September 27 2005.

"Down poured the wine like oil on blazing fire. And still the riot went on - the debauchery gained its height - glasses were dashed upon the floor by hands that could not carry them to lips, oaths were shouted out by lips which could scarcely form the words to vent them in; drunken losers cursed and roared; some mounted on the tables, waving bottles above their heads and bidding defiance to the rest; some danced, some sang, some tore the cards and raved. Tumult and frenzy reigned supreme ..." Nicholas Nickleby, by Charles Dickens, 1839.


All politicians who seek to justify repressive legislation claim that they are responding to an unprecedented threat to public order. And all politicians who cite such a threat draft measures in response which can just as easily be used against democratic protest. No act has been passed over the past 20 years with the aim of preventing antisocial behaviour, disorderly conduct, trespass, harassment and terrorism that has not also been deployed to criminalise a peaceful public engagement in politics. When Walter Wolfgang was briefly detained by the police after heckling the foreign secretary last week, the public caught a glimpse of something that a few of us have been vainly banging on about for years.

On Friday, six students and graduates of Lancaster University were convicted of aggravated trespass. Their crime was to have entered a lecture theatre and handed out leaflets to the audience. Staff at the university were meeting people from BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce, Shell, the Carlyle Group, GlaxoSmithKline, DuPont, Unilever and Diageo, to learn how to "commercialise university research". The students were hoping to persuade the researchers not to sell their work. They were in the theatre for three minutes. As the judge conceded, they tried neither to intimidate anyone nor to stop the conference from proceeding.

They were prosecuted under the 1994 Criminal Justice Act, passed when Michael Howard was the Conservative home secretary. But the university was able to use it only because Labour amended the act in 2003 to ensure that it could be applied anywhere, rather than just "in the open air".

Had Mr Wolfgang said "nonsense" twice during the foreign secretary's speech, the police could have charged him under the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. Harassment, the act says, "must involve conduct on at least two occasions ... conduct includes speech". Parliament was told that its purpose was to protect women from stalkers, but the first people to be arrested were three peaceful protesters. Since then it has been used by the arms manufacturer EDO to keep demonstrators away from its factory gates, and by Kent police to arrest a woman who sent an executive at a drugs company two polite emails, begging him not to test his products on animals. In 2001 the peace campaigners Lindis Percy and Anni Rainbow were prosecuted for causing "harassment, alarm or distress" to American servicemen at the Menwith Hill military intelligence base in Yorkshire, by standing at the gate holding the Stars and Stripes and a placard reading "George W Bush? Oh dear!" In Hull a protester was arrested under the act for "staring at a building".

Had Mr Wolfgang said "nonsense" to one of the goons who dragged him out of the conference, he could have been charged under section 125 of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005, which came into force in August. Section 125 added a new definition of harassment to the 1997 act, "a course of conduct ... which involves harassment of two or more persons". What this means is that you need only address someone once to be considered to be harassing them, as long as you have also addressed someone else in the same manner. This provision, in other words, can be used to criminalise any protest anywhere. But when the bill passed through the Commons and the Lords, no member contested or even noticed it.

Section 125 hasn't yet been exercised, but section 132 of the act is already becoming an effective weapon against democracy. This bans people from demonstrating in an area "designated" by the government. One of these areas is the square kilometre around parliament. Since the act came into force, democracy campaigners have been holding a picnic in Parliament Square every Sunday afternoon (see www1.atwiki.com/picnic/). Seventeen people have been arrested so far.

But the law that has proved most useful to the police is the one under which Mr Wolfgang was held: section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000. This allows them to stop and search people without the need to show that they have "reasonable suspicion" that a criminal offence is being committed. They have used it to put peaceful protesters through hell. At the beginning of 2003, demonstrators against the impending war with Iraq set up a peace camp outside the military base at Fairford in Gloucestershire, from which US B52s would launch their bombing raids. Every day - sometimes several times a day - the protesters were stopped and searched under section 44. The police, according to a parliamentary answer, used the act 995 times, though they knew that no one at the camp was a terrorist. The constant harassment and detention pretty well broke the protesters' resolve. Since then the police have used the same section to pin down demonstrators outside the bomb depot at Welford in Berkshire, at the Atomic Weapons Establishment at Aldermaston, at Menwith Hill and at the annual arms fair in London's Docklands.

The police are also rediscovering the benefits of some of our more venerable instruments. On September 10, Keith Richardson, one of the six students convicted of aggravated trespass on Friday, had his stall in Lancaster city centre confiscated under the 1824 Vagrancy Act. "Every Person wandering abroad and endeavouring by the Exposure of Wounds and Deformities to obtain or gather Alms ... shall be deemed a Rogue and Vagabond... " The act was intended to prevent the veterans of the Napoleonic wars from begging, but the police decided that pictures of the wounds on this man's anti-vivisection leaflets put him on the wrong side of the law. In two recent cases, protesters have been arrested under the 1361 Justices of the Peace Act. So much for Mr Blair's 21st century methods.

What is most remarkable is that until Mr Wolfgang was held, neither parliamentarians nor the press were interested. The pressure group Liberty, the Green party, a couple of alternative comedians, the Indymedia network and the alternative magazine Schnews have been left to defend our civil liberties almost unassisted. Even after "Wolfie" was thrown out of the conference, public criticism concentrated on the suppression of dissent within the Labour party, rather than the suppression of dissent throughout the country. As the parliamentary opposition falls apart, the extra-parliamentary one is being closed down with hardly a rumble of protest from the huffers and puffers who insist that civil liberties are Britain's gift to the world. Perhaps they're afraid they'll be arrested.

www.monbiot.com

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"Hij heeft de beving niet gevoeld", zegt zijn woordvoerder Job Frieszo.

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Op zondag 16 oktober 2005 13:36 schreef MrX1982 het volgende:

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Ach een vergelijking met nazi-Duitsland is zo cliché en doet de geloofwaardigheid geen goed.
Wat mij betreft is het simpel scoren maar we zullen zien wanneer GB Europa gaat veroveren