[US2004] Vice-Presidential debate: Cheney vs Edwards!

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10 questions for Dick Cheney

Dick Cheney, who spent most of his administration's first term in a secure undisclosed location, has been campaigning this fall in the Potemkin Villages of Republican reaction. As such, has not faced much in the way of serious questioning from his audiences of party apparatchiks. Nor has he been grilled by the White House-approved journalistic commissars who travel with the vice president to take stenography when Cheney makes his daily prediction of the apocalypse that would befall America should he be removed from power.

On Tuesday night, however, Cheney will briefly expose himself in an unmanaged setting – to the extent that the set of a vice presidential debate can be so identified. In preparation for this rare opportunity to pin down the man former White House counsel John Dean refers to as "the de factor president," here is a list of ten questions that ought to be directed to Dick Cheney:

1.) When you appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" on the eve of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, you announced that, "We will be greeted as liberators." In light of the fact that more than 1,000 young Americans have been killed, while more than 20,000 have been wounded, in the fighting in Iraq, do you think you might have been a bit too optimistic?

2.) Why were maps of Iraqi oil fields and pipelines included in the documents reviewed by the administration's energy task force, the National Energy Policy Development Group, which you headed during the first months of 2001? Did discussions about regime change in Iraq figure in the deliberations of the energy task force?

3.) When the administration was asking in 2002 for Congressional approval of a resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq, you told the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars that Saddam Hussein had "resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons." You then claimed that, "Armed with an arsenal of these weapons of terror, and seated atop 10 percent of the world's oil reserves, Saddam Hussein could then be expected to seek domination of the entire Middle East, take control of the world's energy supplies, directly threaten American friends throughout the region, and subject the United States or any other nation to nuclear blackmail." Several months later, when you appeared on "Meet the Press" just prior to the invasion of Iraq, you said of Saddam Hussein, "We know he has reconstituted these (chemical weapons) programs. We know he's out trying once again to produce nuclear weapons, and we know that he has a long-standing relationship with various terrorist groups, including the al-Qaeda organization." As it turned out, you were wrong on virtually every count. How did you misread the signs so completely? And why was it that so many other world leaders, who looked at the same intelligence you had access to, were able to assess the situation so much more accurately?

4.) Considering the fact that your predictions about the ease of the Iraq invasion and occupation turned out to be so dramatically off the mark, and the fact that you were in charge of the White House task force on terrorism that failed, despite repeated and explicit warnings, to anticipate the terrorist threats on the World Trade Center, what is it about your analytical skills that should lead Americans to believe your claims that America will be more vulnerable to attack if John Kerry and John Edwards are elected?

5.) Speaking of intelligence, were you or any members of your staff involved in any way in revealing the identity of Valerie Plame, a CIA operative who was working on weapons of mass destruction issues, after her husband, Ambassador Joe Wilson, angered the administration by revealing that the president made claims about Iraqi WMD programs that he and his aides had been told were unreliable?

6.) During your tenure as Secretary of Defense, you and your staff asked a subsidiary of Halliburton, Brown & Root Services, to study whether private firms could take over logistical support programs for U.S. military operations around the world. They came to the conclusion that this was a good idea, and you began what would turn into a massive privatization initiative that would eventually direct billions of U.S. tax dollars to Halliburton and its subsidiary. Barely two years after you finished your service as Secretary of Defense, you became the CEO of Halliburton. Yet, when you were asked about the money you received from Halliburton -- $44 million for five year's work -- you said, "I tell you that the government had absolutely nothing to do with it." How do you define the words "absolutely nothing"?

7.) No corporation has been more closely associated with the invasion of Iraq than Halliburton. The company, which you served as CEO before joining the administration, moved from No.19 on the U.S. Army's list of top contractors before the Iraq war began to No. 1 in 2003. Last year, alone, the company pocketed $4.2 billion in U.S. taxpayer dollars. You said when asked about Halliburton during a September 2003 appearance on "Meet the Press" that you had "severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest." Yet, you continue to hold unexercised options for 233,000 shares of Halliburton stock, and since becoming vice president you have on an annual basis collected deferred compensation payments ranging from $162,392 to $205,298 from Halliburton. A recent review by the Congressional Research Service describes deferred salary and stock options of the sort that you hold as "among those benefits described by the Office of Government Ethics as 'retained ties' or 'linkages' to one's former employer." In the interest of ending the debate about whether Halliburton has received special treatment from the administration, would you be willing to immediately surrender any claims to those stock options and to future deferred compensation in order to make real your claim that you have "severed all my ties with the company."

8.) You have been particularly aggressive in attacking the qualifications of John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, to serve as commander-in-chief. Yet, you received five draft deferments during the 1960s, which allowed you to avoid serving in Vietnam. In 1989, when you were nominated to serve as Secretary of Defense, you were asked why you did not serve in Vietnam and you told the Senate that you "would have obviously been happy to serve had I been called." Yet, in an interview that same year, you told the Washington Post that, "I had other priorities in the sixties than military service." Which was it -- "proud to serve" or "other priorities"?

9.) Nelson Mandela says he worries about you serving in the vice presidency because, "He opposed the decision to release me from prison." As a member of Congress you did vote against a resolution expressing the sense of the House that then President Ronald Reagan should demand that South Africa's apartheid government grant the immediate and unconditional release of Mandela and other political prisoners. You have said you voted the way you did in the late 1980s because "the ANC was then viewed as a terrorist organization." Do you still believe that Mandela and others who fought for an end to apartheid were terrorists? If so, are you proud to have cast votes that helped to prolong Mandela's imprisonment and the apartheid system of racial segregation and discrimination?

10.) Mandela has said that, to his view, you are "the real president of the United States." Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill said of the first years of the Bush presidency that, "Cheney and a handful of others had become 'a Praetorian guard' that encircled the President." O'Neill has also argued that the White House operates the way it does "because this is the way that Dick likes it." Why do you think that so many people, including veterans of this administration, seem to think that it is you, rather than George W. Bush, who is running the country?

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 22:51 schreef Verbal het volgende:
10 questions for Dick Cheney

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Op maandag 4 oktober 2004 23:40 schreef BitetheBullet het volgende:

Hoop dat edwards hem wat scherpe vragen over Halliburton stelt, dat zou het debat leuk kunnen maken.

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 20:49 schreef PJORourke het volgende:
Als Cheney slim is pakt ie hem zachtjes aan. Edwards is een advocaat, een ambulance chaser, daar hebben Amerikanen sowieso een hekel aan.

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 13:58 schreef Edenoniphobic het volgende:
Ik heb zelden zo'n slappe zoutzak gehoord als Edwards laatst in die democratische conferentie als spreker, waar ie op geen enkele wijze Bush en zijn beleid durfde aan te vallen als bewuste keuze.

"Aren't you sick of it?" op al die negatieve aanvallen, op die hypocriete toon van hem. Ik vond dat heel dom, want je kan best inhoudelijk superscherp kritiek geven. Hij liet echt een kans liggen die de Republikeinen wel pakte, en vervolgens pakte ze de leiding in de polls.

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In Desperate Move, Kerry Adopts Puppy
July 7, 2004

I guess with John Kerry's choice of John Edwards as his running mate, he really does want to stand up for all Americans, from those worth only $60 million to those worth in excess of $800 million.

In one of the many stratagems Democrats have developed to avoid telling people what they believe, all Edwards wants to talk about is his cracker-barrel humble origins story. We're supposed to swoon over his "life story," as the flacks say, which apparently consists of the amazing fact that ... his father was a millworker!

That's right up there with "Clinton's stepdad was a drunk" and "Ted Kennedy's dad was a womanizing bootlegger" on my inspirational life-stories meter. In fact, I'm immediately renouncing my university degrees and going to work for the post office just to give my future children a shot at having a "life story," should they decide to run for president someday.

What is so amazing about Edwards' father being a millworker? That's at least an honorable occupation -- as opposed to being a trial lawyer. True, Edwards made more money than his father did. I assume strippers make more money than their alcoholic fathers who abandoned them did, too. This isn't a story of progress; it's a story of devolution.

Despite the overwrought claims of Edwards' dazzling legal skills, winning jury verdicts in personal injury cases has nothing to do with legal talent and everything to do with getting the right cases -- unless "talent" is taken to mean "having absolutely no shame." Edwards specialized in babies with cerebral palsy whom he claimed would have been spared the affliction if only the doctors had immediately performed Caesarean sections.

As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies born with cerebral palsy. As The New York Times reported: "Studies indicate that in most cases, the disorder is caused by fetal brain injury long before labor begins." All those Caesareans have, however, increased the mother's risk of death, hemorrhage, infection, pulmonary embolism and Mendelson's syndrome.

In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.

In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was speaking to the jurors through him:

"She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out.'"

She's saying, "My lawyer needs a new Jaguar ... "

"She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

Well, tell her to pipe down, would you? I'm trying to hear the evidence in a malpractice lawsuit.

To paraphrase Oscar Wilde on the death of Little Nell, one must have a heart of stone to read this without laughing. What is this guy, a tent-show preacher? An off-the-strip Las Vegas lounge psychic couldn't get away with this routine.

Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why can't he hear those babies saying, "Let me live! Stop spraying this saline solution all over me!" Edwards must experience interference in channeling the voices of babies about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to muffle those voices.

And may we ask what the pre-born Jennifer Campbell thinks about war with Iraq? North Korea? Marginal tax rates? If Miss Cleo here is going to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, I think the voters are entitled to know that.

While making himself fabulously rich by taking a one-third cut of his multimillion-dollar verdicts coaxed out of juries with junk science and maudlin performances, Edwards has the audacity to claim, "I was more than just their lawyer; I cared about them. Their cause was my cause."

If he cared so deeply, how about keeping just 10 percent of the multimillion-dollar jury awards, rather than a third? In fact, as long as these Democrats are so eager to raise the taxes of "the rich," how about a 90 percent tax on contingency fees?

For someone who didn't care about the money, it's interesting that Edwards avoided cases in which the baby died during delivery. Evidently, jury awards average only about $500,000 when the babies die, and there is no disabled child to parade before the jury.

Edwards was one of the leading opponents of a bill in the North Carolina Legislature that would have established a fund for all babies born with cerebral palsy. So instead of all disabled babies in North Carolina being compensated equitably, only a few will win the jury lottery -- one-third of which will go to trial lawyers like Edwards, who insists he doesn't care about the money.

Despite the now-disproved junk science theory about C-sections preventing cerebral palsy that Edwards peddled in the channeling case, the jury awarded Edwards' client a record-breaking $6.5 million. This is the essence of the modern Democratic Party, polished to perfection by Bill Clinton: They are willing to insult the intelligence of 49 percent of the people if they think they can fool 51 percent of the people.

So while Michael Moore, Al Franken, George Soros, Crazy Al Gore and the rest of the characters from the climactic devil-worshipping scene in "Rosemary's Baby" provide the muscle for the Kerry campaign, Kerry picks a pretty-boy milquetoast as his running mate, narrowly edging out a puppy for the spot. Just don't ask the Democrats what they believe. Edwards' father was a millworker, and that's all you need to know.

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 22:38 schreef FritsVanEgters het volgende:
Coulter

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 22:38 schreef FritsVanEgters het volgende:
Coulter

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 23:19 schreef RM-rf het volgende:
De vrouw die tegen een gehandicapte vietnam-vereteraan zei: "dankzij mensen als jou hebben we de oorlog verloren" ... hoeveel tours of duty heeft zij in vietnam gedraaid?
De vrouw die haat tegen Clinton een teken vond van liefde voor het land..
De vrouw die pinses Diana's dood terecht vond, want het was een verdorven vrouw, omdat ze sliep met amnen anders dan haar echtgenoot..
De vrouw die vond dat vrouwen geen stemrecht behoren te hebben ...

Van het Columbine Highschool-drama was ze van mening dat als de schoolkinderen een geweer bij zich zouden hebben gehad, ze niet doodgeschoten zouden zijn geworden door een mede-leerling: "..Don't pray. Learn to use guns.."

Series Ann Coulter is een stevigere troller dan een aantal van de uitgesprokener gasten op Fok!
erg amusant, maar niet iemand om serieus te nemen als ze aan het ranten tegen iemand is die haar extremistisch conservatieve visie niet deelt...

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Name: John Edwards
Birth date: June 10, 1953
Education: Bachelor's degree, North Carolina State University, 1974; law degree, University of North Carolina, 1977
Military Service: None
Career: Trial lawyer, 1977-1998
Elected office: U.S. senator, elected 1998
Family: Wife, Elizabeth; four children, one of whom died in a 1996 car accident
Quote: "I want to be a champion for the people I have fought for all my life -- regular people."


From courtroom to campaign trail, Edwards displays ambition

John Edwards' political resume is short but impressive: Freshman U.S. senator and now the No. 2 man for the potential U.S. president.

Edwards' confidence and determination behind his quick political climb are being tapped by presumptive Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry, who named Edwards as his running mate after months of speculation of who would fill the vice presidential slot.

Earlier this year, Edwards dropped out of his own campaign for president, offering a passionate endorsement of Kerry.

"John Kerry has what it takes ... to be president of the United States," Edwards said that day. "I, for one, intend to do everything in my power to make him the next president of the United States, and I ask you to join me in this cause."

Well-spoken, photogenic and quick on his feet, Edwards made his fortune as a successful trial lawyer before entering politics. As a personal-injury attorney, he convinced juries to award multimillion verdicts.

One of his most celebrated cases resulted in a record $25 million award to a 9-year-old North Carolina girl seriously injured by a defective swimming pool drain.

When Edwards talks about his days as a lawyer -- and his career as a senator -- he often casts himself as a champion of "regular folks," a theme he resurrected for his presidential bid.

First in family to go to college

Edwards was born in South Carolina, the son of a textile worker and a mother who held a variety of jobs while raising him. The family moved to North Carolina when Edwards was a child, and he became the first member of his family to go to college, North Carolina State University.

He earned his law degree with honors in 1977 from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

The Almanac of American Politics notes that Edwards began his legal career by representing recording companies accused of pirating Elvis Presley records. As a trial lawyer, he gained a reputation for his powerful and persuasive arguments, a skill he later put to good use on the campaign trail.

Edwards was first elected to public office in 1998, following his successful campaign against Lauch Faircloth, a Republican incumbent who had amassed a conservative voting record in the U.S. Senate.

Edwards dipped into his personal fortune to pay for the campaign, and he highlighted his ideas on education, health care and Social Security in a series of television ads. He was criticized for one ad that suggested he was not a native North Carolinian, and Faircloth hammered him as a slick trial lawyer. But Edwards won with 51 percent of the vote.

Notice in national political circles

His legal skills came into play soon after the election. Colleagues singled him out as an articulate and persuasive speaker in the Clinton impeachment deliberations in the Senate, which acquitted the president of the charges brought by the House of Representatives.

As a senator, Edwards has fought GOP-led efforts to place award limits on lawsuits. He's also been out front in efforts to modernize the nation's banking system and has been a chief advocate of a patient's bill of rights.

More recently, he has emerged as a fierce critic of the Bush administration in its war on terrorism, saying its efforts have fallen short.

He voted in favor of granting Bush the authority to go to war with Iraq in October 2002.

Edwards' ambition and youthful vigor have gained him notice in national political circles. He was considered by the Gore campaign in 2000 as a possible running mate. It wasn't too long after being passed over that Edwards started taking steps for his own presidential bid.

In September 2003, Edwards announced that he would not seek a second Senate term, choosing instead to focus on his presidential bid. Despite surprising finishes in some of the early primaries, he only won his native South Carolina.

On March 3, he stepped down from his Democratic presidential bid, and threw his support behind fellow senator Kerry, who became the presumptive Democratic nominee with Edwards' departure.

In a speech that day, Edwards said Kerry was someone "who has fought for and will continue to fight for the things that all of us believe in, more jobs, better health care, cleaner air, cleaner water, a safer world."

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Name: Richard Bruce Cheney
Birth date: January 30, 1941
Education: Bachelor's degree, University of Wyoming, 1965; master's degree, University of Wyoming, 1969
Military Service: None
Career: Congressional fellow, 1968; joins Office of Economic Opportunity in Nixon administration, 1969; deputy to then-White House Counselor Donald Rumsfeld, 1970; assistant director for operations with Cost of Living Council, 1971; vice president at a Washington, D.C., investment firm, 1973; deputy assistant to President Ford, 1974; chief of staff to President Ford, 1975; defense secretary under President George H. W. Bush, 1989-1993; chairman and CEO of Halliburton, 1995-2000.
Elected office: U.S. congressman from Wyoming, 1978-1989; U.S. vice president, 2001-present.
Family: Wife, Lynne, two daughters
Quote: "This has been a period in history defined by serious challenges and the need for decisive action. And the greatest responsibility of our government is clear: We must protect the safety and the security of the American people."



Dick Cheney: The president's man

In one respect, Dick Cheney can be viewed as the accidental vice president.

Cheney was not supposed to have the job -- at least not initially. Asked in 2000 by then-Gov. George W. Bush to come up with a list of potential running mates, Cheney was supposed to be the confidant who would vet candidates and offer recommendations. But he wound up as Bush's pick for the No. 2 spot.

"I gradually realized that the person who was best qualified ... was working by my side," Bush said in 2000 as he announced his choice of Cheney.

As vice president, Cheney, 63, has clearly enjoyed the confidence and support of his boss.

Unlike the administration of the first President Bush when Dan Quayle was vice president, there has been little speculation that this vice president would be replaced.

Despite some concerns about Cheney's health, the president has never wavered in his support for Cheney.

"Should I decide to run, Vice President Cheney will be my running mate," Bush told reporters at a November 2002 news conference, after the midterm congressional elections.

With his low-key manner, solid conservative credentials and experience in the political and business worlds, Cheney is a favorite of the Republican conservative base.

"Dick Cheney is an enormous asset to the president," said Michael Franc, vice president for government relations at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

Harsh critics
GOP enthusiasm for Cheney is matched by Democratic criticism of the vice president.

Democrats have repeatedly questioned his ties to the oil-services giant Halliburton -- which he headed before joining the 2000 presidential ticket -- and criticized how he helped develop the administration's energy policies.

Citing the need for the executive branch to hear candid and private advice, Cheney is fighting two public interest groups seeking the public release of records about his energy task force and its meetings, a case that was recently heard by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Cheney's role as one of the administration's most forceful advocates for waging war against Iraq to topple the regime of Saddam Hussein has also generated some unflattering commentary.

More recently, Cheney has emerged as the administration's front man for criticizing Sen. John Kerry, especially on the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee's voting record in the Senate on defense and national security.

"Attack dog-in-chief," griped Terry McAuliffe, the Democratic National Committee chairman, in a speech last month.

Washington veteran
Cheney is no stranger to the rough-and-tumble of the political arena, a veteran of both Congress and three prior presidential administrations.

A child of the West, Cheney grew up in Wyoming and married his high school sweetheart, the former Lynne Vincent.

His political career started in 1969 when he joined the Nixon administration. He served in a number of positions, including a stint at the Office of Economic Opportunity.

At age 34, he was tapped to serve as chief of staff to President Ford and was the youngest man to serve in that position.

Congress was next. After Ford's defeat, Cheney returned to his home state of Wyoming in 1977 and was elected to six terms in Congress as the state's sole representative.

In Congress, Cheney established a solid conservative voting record, with votes cast against abortion and gun control.

His voting record also showed an aversion to most domestic federal spending, including a host of education and environmental programs. But he was a proponent of a boosting the budget for the Pentagon.

Cheney returned to White House service in 1989 as defense secretary for the first President Bush. He held that post during the first Persian Gulf War.

He later returned to the private sector, serving as the chief executive office for the Texas-based Halliburton.

Cheney's health was something of an issue early in the administration. Cheney, who has had four heart attacks, had a pacemaker implanted in June 2001. A checkup in May detected no irregular heartbeat and Cheney was pronounced fit.

Cheney and his wife -- a former chairwoman of the National Endowment for the Humanities -- have two grown daughters and several grandchildren.

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 23:38 schreef HarigeKerel het volgende:
Van het debat tussen Cheney en Edwards verwacht ik nog het meeste

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 00:47 schreef De-oneven-2 het volgende:
Hoi, Ryan!
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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 00:50 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Zo heet je nu toch??? .

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 00:53 schreef De-oneven-2 het volgende:
. = ?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 00:52 schreef De-oneven-2 het volgende:

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Ach,
what's in a name.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 00:56 schreef De-oneven-2 het volgende:
Hoezo gimmick van Bazyx? Wat ik niet weet is oneindig groot. Dat weet ik nog net.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 00:59 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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I nterpunctie topic 1.3 oid. Zoek in search. Was in de gouden tijd van #filo, toen ik er ook nog weleens kwam. Lang geleden dus. Tegenwoordig lijken ze op de LPF.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 01:01 schreef De-oneven-2 het volgende:

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Oh.

Ik bedoelde eigenlijk maar te zeggen dat "What's in a name?" met een vraagteken dient te eindigen, en niet met een punt.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 01:04 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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Ik dacht dat je bedoelde waar die . vandaan kwam na die smiley. Dat had toevallig een connectie met de actualiteit nl.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 01:09 schreef De-oneven-2 het volgende:

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Nee,
ik houd me eigenlijk niet zo bezig met actualiteiten.

Actualiteiten zijn een beetje als soaps en mensen.
Ze kopieren zich en worden voortdurend herhaald.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 02:38 schreef i-spy24 het volgende:
En is er nu al slecht nieuws want Paul Bremmer (speciale afgezant voor Irak indertijd) heeft nu openlijk kritiek geuit op het beleid van de Bush jr. regering inzake Irak.
daarbij heeft Donald Rumsfeld net tijdens een persconferentie weer even een blunder begaan door te zeggen dat ook hij geen verband ziet tussen Sadam Hussein en 9-11 (zoals diverse Amerikaanse commnissies al zeiden)
Voor de geintresseerden:
CNN is NU *live( bezig met het pre-debat
BBC opend nu met ABC's Worldnews Tonight with Peter Jennings

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:07 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Ja, wat ook opvalt is zijn Zuiderlijke accent. .

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:23 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Fortuyn = Edwards??? .

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:19 schreef DePresident het volgende:
Edwards is goed !

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:24 schreef HarigeKerel het volgende:
Jawel, de 1 vurig en op dreef de ander een droge zeur met feitjes

En Edwards sneeuwt die Cheney gewoon onder

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:27 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Wanneer gaat het nu over de economie???

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:24 schreef andromeda1968 het volgende:

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Hoi DePresident!

Ik vind dat Edwards flink vermagerd is of ligt het aan mij?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:28 schreef DePresident het volgende:

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Nee, dat komt omdat die dikke nitwit ernaast zit

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:30 schreef HarigeKerel het volgende:
Nou een nitwit lijkt mij wat overdreven Al Sahaf

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:30 schreef Libris het volgende:
Detail: Ze hebben beide geen dienstplicht vervuld...

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:30 schreef Libris het volgende:
Detail: Ze hebben beide geen dienstplicht vervuld...

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:31 schreef andromeda1968 het volgende:

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Detail: G.W.Bush dienstplicht verzuimd.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:52 schreef HarigeKerel het volgende:
Die neger grommen toch al en stemmen toch al niet op de republikeinen

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 03:53 schreef cultheld het volgende:


Powell wel

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:02 schreef HarigeKerel het volgende:
Hoeveel mensen zouden zo vinden dat Edwards heeft gewonnen?

Ik ga voor zeker 60%

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:02 schreef HarigeKerel het volgende:
Hoeveel mensen zouden zo vinden dat Edwards heeft gewonnen?

Ik ga voor zeker 60%

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:05 schreef i-spy24 het volgende:
75%.... Het knappe van Edwards is dat hij altijd even refereert naar de vorige vraag zodat de mensen weten wat zijn standpunten zijn, iets wat Cheney nalaat.
verder is hij heel direct en inhoudelijk sterk en spreekt de taal van de gewone man als hij iets uitlegt. Cheney probeert zich wel goed staande te houden(en doet het beter dan Bush jr zijn gehakkel en gefrons) maar redt het gewoon niet tegen Edwards die vitaal en sterk inhoudelijk en rechttoe en recht an is.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:06 schreef NiTiN het volgende:
hmmmz de gemiddelde amerikaan denkt natuurlijk anders dan de gemiddelde nederlander....

maar kom op, edwards heeft hier sterk tegen cheney gedebatteerd, en is ook gewoon duidelijk beter

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:08 schreef i-spy24 het volgende:
Ik kijk via SKY-ONE(Fox dus) en op het andere scherm naar CNN.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:10 schreef NiTiN het volgende:
ze kennen erlkaars 'stemgeschiedenis' uit het verleden trouwens wel echt op hun duimpje.... :|

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:12 schreef i-spy24 het volgende:
*off-topic:*

Hey jongens... beetje raar he dat wij als die-hards als enigen dit volgen en via slowchat becommentarieren terwijl de rest van NL ligt te pitten.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:12 schreef i-spy24 het volgende:
*off-topic:*

Hey jongens... beetje raar he dat wij als die-hards als enigen dit volgen en via slowchat becommentarieren terwijl de rest van NL ligt te pitten.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:14 schreef Tralalalalalala het volgende:

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Jij bent nieuw op internet hé?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:17 schreef The_BoezelaaR het volgende:

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En jij nieuw op Fok!

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:18 schreef Tralalalalalala het volgende:

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How naive

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:18 schreef i-spy24 het volgende:
ON-TOPIC:

Ik heb het gevoel dat die Cheney aan het einde van zijn latijn is want hij vraagt steeds meer waar de vraag weer over ging alsof hij e.e.a niet meer weet.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:25 schreef NiTiN het volgende:
opletten he

ze moesten vertellen waarom ze zo geschikt waren ofzo, zonder de naam van de presidentscadidates te noemen

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:27 schreef NiTiN het volgende:
Straks zegt cheney nog dat ie om gezondheidsredenen opstapt en neemt AHnold zn plek in....

mag dat eigenlijk wel, nu ie zo gouverneur etc is?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:27 schreef NiTiN het volgende:
Straks zegt cheney nog dat ie om gezondheidsredenen opstapt en neemt AHnold zn plek in....

mag dat eigenlijk wel, nu ie zo gouverneur etc is?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:28 schreef The_BoezelaaR het volgende:

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Hij is geen native American, dus mag toch helemaal niet?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:28 schreef The_BoezelaaR het volgende:


Hij is geen native American, dus mag toch helemaal niet?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:30 schreef HarigeKerel het volgende:

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Die wet gaan ze veranderen geloof ik!

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:32 schreef DaMook het volgende:

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Ik vind hetr debat wel leuker/sterker als het debat tussen bush en kerry

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:56 schreef NiTiN het volgende:
op MSNBC:

Who won the debate? * 172201 responses

VP Dick Cheney 25%
Sen. John Edwards 75%

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Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2004 22:36 schreef PJORourke het volgende:

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Als ook maar 10 % van de citaten en beschuldigingen van Coulter waar zijn, dan nog is Edwards een hypocriete, corrupte kwal. Wat Cheney overigens ook is, maar daar is iedereen het ondertussen wel over eens.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 04:57 schreef HarigeKerel het volgende:

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MSNBC staat dan ook bekend als links, FOX bv als rechts en CNN in het midden.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 07:20 schreef Libris het volgende:
Teletekst meldt dat er geen winnaar kan worden aangewezen..

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In het Democratische, maar ook in het Republikeinse kamp werd direct na afloop vastgesteld dat Cheney het beter had gedaan, met meer autoriteit had gesproken, ook harder was geweest dan zijn baas, de president, vorige week donderdag.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 09:20 schreef Sniper het volgende:
Internet peilingen zeggen inderdaad helemaal niks zeker niet omdat daar ook allerlei lefty surrender monkeys uit Europa kunnen stemmen en die hebben strakjes helemaal niks te zeggen
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(volkskrant)

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 09:48 schreef Libris het volgende:
Ik vond Cheney zo vermoeid en zeurderig overkomen...

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 11:36 schreef PJORourke het volgende:
Edwards doet me denken aan het soort schurken uit de boeken van John Grisham.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 11:39 schreef ub40_bboy het volgende:

Hoewel ik het eerste stuk van het debat niet gezien heb.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 11:36 schreef PJORourke het volgende:
Edwards doet me denken aan het soort schurken uit de boeken van John Grisham.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 12:54 schreef Gwunnik het volgende:
Van Cheney weten we dat het een corporale schurk uit de echte wereld is, geef mij dan maar Edwards...

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CLEVELAND - Vice President Dick Cheney said Tuesday night that the debate with Democratic Sen. John Edwards marked the first time they had met. In fact, the two had met at least three times previously.

Cheney made the remark while accusing Edwards of frequent absences from Senate votes.

"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.

On Feb. 1, 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate prayer breakfast and sat beside him during the event.

On April 8, 2001, Cheney and Edwards shook hands when they met off-camera during a taping of NBC's "Meet the Press," moderator Tim Russert said Wednesday on "Today."

On Jan. 8, 2003, the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator accompanied Elizabeth Dole (news - web sites) to her swearing-in by Cheney as a North Carolina senator, Edwards aides also said.

Edwards didn't forget their prayer-breakfast meeting. The Democratic vice presidential candidate noted the discrepancy at a post-debate rally in a Cleveland park, calling it an example of Cheney "still not being straight with the American people."

"The vice president said that the first time I met Senator Edwards was tonight when we walked on the stage. I guess he forgot the time we sat next to each other for a couple hours about three years ago. I guess he forgot the time we met at the swearing in of another senator. So, my wife Elizabeth reminded him on the stage," Edwards said as the crowd roared.

According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."

"She reminded him about the truth," Edwards told the crowd, "and come November, we're going to remind him that the American people do not want four more years of George W. Bush."

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 11:39 schreef ub40_bboy het volgende:

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Ik vond Edwards soms wat irritant, zoals toen hem de vraag werd gesteld wat het verschil tussen hem en Cheney is, ging hij maar door over healthcare. Maar ik ben wel van mening dat Edwards de winnaar is. Hoewel ik het eerste stuk van het debat niet gezien heb.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 14:06 schreef DopeBoy het volgende:
Weet iemand waar ik dit debat online kan nakijken?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 14:06 schreef DopeBoy het volgende:
Weet iemand waar ik dit debat online kan nakijken?

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 16:36 schreef Sniper het volgende:

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134579,00.html

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 16:37 schreef pberends het volgende:

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Toen ik terug ging naar het topic nadat ik gepost had zag ik meteen jouw reactie

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 16:40 schreef Sniper het volgende:

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Fok is zoooo snel

Op de site kun je ook een volledige transcriptie vinden

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 14:10 schreef PJORourke het volgende:

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Het studentencorps zoals wij dat kennen bestaat niet in de VS. Tenzij je corporate bedoelt.

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 21:09 schreef ScienceFriction het volgende:
Wat Cheney zei over de slachtoffers aan Iraakse zijde vond ik wel goed trouwens... want zij horen gewoon bij het aantal slachtoffers. Immers, zij strijden ook tegen de terroristen.

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Cheney Directed People to Wrong Web Site

In Wednesday night's debate, Dick Cheney directed people to a web site to see the facts about his involvement when he was CEO of Halliburton. He made one slip though, he said go to FactCheck.com instead of FactCheck.org.

Consequently, the advertising site from the Cayman Islands, FactCheck.com crashed after people watching the debate tried to see it. The owners of the site redirected the traffic to the site of devoutly anti-Bush billionaire George Soros.

The owners of FactCheck.com liked Soros' politics and knew he could afford the pay for all the traffic the site was getting. Soros did not know about this switch until after it happened. FactCheck.org is a nonpartisan site which tracks politicians.

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Op donderdag 7 oktober 2004 09:45 schreef Hawk het volgende:

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Op woensdag 6 oktober 2004 21:09 schreef ScienceFriction het volgende:
Wat Cheney zei over de slachtoffers aan Iraakse zijde vond ik wel goed trouwens... want zij horen gewoon bij het aantal slachtoffers. Immers, zij strijden ook tegen de terroristen.

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Op donderdag 7 oktober 2004 09:45 schreef Hawk het volgende:

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Cheney wrongly implied that FactCheck had defended his tenure as CEO of Halliburton Co., and the vice president even got our name wrong. He overstated matters when he said Edwards voted "for the war" and "to commit the troops, to send them to war." He exaggerated the number of times Kerry has voted to raise taxes, and puffed up the number of small business owners who would see a tax increase under Kerry's proposals.

Edwards falsely claimed the administration "lobbied the Congress" to cut the combat pay of troops in Iraq, something the White House never supported, and he used misleading numbers about jobs.