Clash binnen kabinet om mogelijk verbod op koranverbrandingen.

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Op zondag 14 april 2024 21:46 schreef Lord_Vetinari het volgende:

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Je kunt ook stellen dat de islam blijkbaar beschaafder is en geen reden ziet om andere religies te kwetsen door hun heilige boek in de fik te steken.

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Op zondag 14 april 2024 21:47 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Want alleen moslims kunnen boeken van andere religies in de brand steken?

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Op maandag 15 april 2024 14:35 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Ik heb ChatGPT eens gevraagd wat de top 25 van meest bloedige aanslagen zijn geweest van de afgelopen 50 jaar, het motief te vermelden en indien het een religieus motief is, de religie te vermelden.

"Geef een lijst van de 25 meest bloedige aanslagen van de afgelopen 50 jaar. Vermeld locatie, aantal slachtoffers en motief. Indien er een religieuze motief was vermeld de religie. Uitvoer in tabel "

JE RAAD HET NOOIT.

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Op maandag 15 april 2024 14:38 schreef Scorpie het volgende:

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Misschien moet L_V nog een keer komen vertellen hoe andere religies ook heel gewelddadig zijn.

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Op zondag 14 april 2024 21:46 schreef Lord_Vetinari het volgende:

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Je kunt ook stellen dat de islam blijkbaar beschaafder is en geen reden ziet om andere religies te kwetsen door hun heilige boek in de fik te steken.

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Thousands of Muslims in a city in Pakistan have set fire to at least four churches and vandalised the homes of Christians over claims that two men desecrated the Quran, police say.

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Op zondag 14 april 2024 21:46 schreef Lord_Vetinari het volgende:

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Je kunt ook stellen dat de islam blijkbaar beschaafder is en geen reden ziet om andere religies te kwetsen door hun heilige boek in de fik te steken.

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Op maandag 15 april 2024 21:01 schreef EttovanBelgie het volgende:

Het verbranden van heilige boeken is debiel en provocerend.

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Op maandag 15 april 2024 21:20 schreef Captain_Jack_Sparrow het volgende:

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Be that as it may, geen redenen om het te verbieden.

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Op maandag 15 april 2024 21:20 schreef EttovanBelgie het volgende:

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Nou nee.

Maar het blijft nogal zielig.

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Op maandag 15 april 2024 14:35 schreef Scorpie het volgende:
Ik heb ChatGPT eens gevraagd wat de top 25 van meest bloedige aanslagen zijn geweest van de afgelopen 50 jaar, het motief te vermelden en indien het een religieus motief is, de religie te vermelden.

"Geef een lijst van de 25 meest bloedige aanslagen van de afgelopen 50 jaar. Vermeld locatie, aantal slachtoffers en motief. Indien er een religieuze motief was vermeld de religie. Uitvoer in tabel "

JE RAAD HET NOOIT.

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Second Congo War (1998-2003)
Location: Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC)
Number of victims: Estimates range from 2 to 5 million
Reasons for the war: Political instability, competition over resources, ethnic tensions, and involvement of neighboring countries.
Majority religion: Christianity and indigenous beliefs.

Rwandan Genocide (1994)
Location: Rwanda
Number of victims: Estimates range from 500,000 to 1 million
Reasons for the war: Ethnic tensions between the Hutu and Tutsi populations, fueled by political manipulation and historical grievances.
Majority religion: Christianity.

Sri Lankan Civil War (1983-2009)
Location: Sri Lanka
Number of victims: Estimates range from 70,000 to 100,000
Reasons for the war: Ethnic tensions between the Sinhalese majority and the Tamil minority, aspirations for Tamil independence.
Majority religion: Buddhism and Hinduism.

South Sudan Civil War (2013-present)
Location: South Sudan
Number of victims: Tens of thousands to over 400,000
Reasons for the war: Power struggle, ethnic tensions, and governance issues following South Sudan's independence from Sudan.
Majority religion: Christianity and indigenous beliefs.

Angolan Civil War (1975-2002)
Location: Angola
Number of victims: Estimates range from 500,000 to 1.5 million
Reasons for the war: Ideological struggle between rival factions following independence from Portugal, involvement of external powers.
Majority religion: Christianity and indigenous beliefs.

Central African Republic Civil War (2012-present)
Location: Central African Republic
Number of victims: Tens of thousands
Reasons for the war: Political instability, ethnic and religious tensions, and competition over resources.
Majority religion: Christianity and indigenous beliefs.

Mozambican Civil War (1977-1992)
Location: Mozambique
Number of victims: Estimates range from hundreds of thousands to over 1 million
Reasons for the war: Ideological struggle between the FRELIMO government and the RENAMO rebel group, external support for both sides.
Majority religion: Christianity and indigenous beliefs.

Ugandan Bush War (1981-1986)
Location: Uganda
Number of victims: Tens of thousands to over 100,000
Reasons for the war: Resistance against the government of Milton Obote and later against the regime of Tito Okello.
Majority religion: Christianity and indigenous beliefs.

Guatemalan Civil War (1960-1996)
Location: Guatemala
Number of victims: Estimates range from 200,000 to 250,000
Reasons for the war: Socioeconomic inequality, repression of indigenous populations, and Cold War dynamics.
Majority religion: Christianity and indigenous beliefs.

Colombian Conflict (1964-present)
Location: Colombia
Number of victims: Estimates range from 220,000 to 260,000
Reasons for the war: Ideological struggle between government forces, leftist guerrillas, paramilitary groups, and drug cartels.
Majority religion: Christianity.

Angolan War of Independence (1961-1974)
Location: Angola
Number of victims: Estimates range from tens of thousands to over 100,000
Reasons for the war: Anti-colonial struggle against Portuguese rule, aspirations for independence.
Majority religion: Christianity and indigenous beliefs.

Mexican Drug War (2006-present)
Location: Mexico
Number of victims: Estimates range from 150,000 to 250,000
Reasons for the war: The Mexican Drug War is primarily a conflict between various drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) and the Mexican government. It involves battles over control of drug trafficking routes, turf wars between rival cartels, and efforts by the government to combat drug-related violence and organized crime. Socioeconomic factors such as poverty, corruption, and weak institutions have contributed to the escalation of violence.
Majority religion: Predominantly Catholic.

South African Apartheid Struggle (1948-1994)
Location: South Africa
Number of victims: Estimates vary, but tens of thousands died
Reasons for the struggle: Apartheid was a system of institutionalized racial segregation and discrimination enforced by the National Party government of South Africa from 1948 to 1994. The struggle against apartheid involved a range of tactics including nonviolent resistance, civil disobedience, and armed struggle by various anti-apartheid movements such as the African National Congress (ANC), Pan Africanist Congress (PAC), and others. It was driven by a desire for equality, justice, and the dismantling of apartheid policies that marginalized and oppressed the majority black population.
Majority religion: Christianity, with a significant population adhering to indigenous African religions.

Northern Ireland Conflict (The Troubles) (1968-1998)
Location: Northern Ireland
Number of victims: Estimates range from 3,500 to 4,000
Reasons for the conflict: The Troubles were a protracted conflict between nationalist Catholics, who sought a united Ireland, and unionist Protestants, who wished to remain part of the United Kingdom. The conflict was deeply rooted in religious and political divisions, as well as historical grievances.
Majority religion: Christianity (Catholicism and Protestantism).

Peruvian Internal Conflict (1980-2000)
Location: Peru
Number of victims: Estimates range from 70,000 to 80,000
Reasons for the conflict: The Peruvian Internal Conflict involved a struggle between government forces and various leftist guerrilla groups, including the Shining Path (Sendero Luminoso) and the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA). While not explicitly religious, the conflict occurred in a predominantly Catholic country and involved issues of social justice and inequality.
Majority religion: Christianity (Catholicism).

Rhodesian Bush War (1964-1979)
Location: Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe)
Number of victims: Estimates range from 20,000 to 30,000
Reasons for the war: The Rhodesian Bush War was a conflict between the white minority government of Rhodesia and various black nationalist guerrilla groups, such as the Zimbabwe African National Liberation Army (ZANLA) and the Zimbabwe People's Revolutionary Army (ZIPRA). It was driven by the fight against colonialism and racial segregation.
Majority religion: Christianity (Anglicanism and Catholicism).

El Salvador Civil War (1979-1992)
Location: El Salvador
Number of victims: Estimates range from 75,000 to 100,000
Reasons for the war: The Salvadoran Civil War was a conflict between the government of El Salvador, supported by the United States, and leftist guerrilla groups, primarily the Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front (FMLN). It was fueled by social inequality, political repression, and Cold War rivalries.
Majority religion: Christianity (Catholicism).

Cambodian Civil War (1967-1975)
Location: Cambodia
Number of victims: Estimates range from 1.5 to 2 million
Reasons for the war: The Cambodian Civil War was a conflict between the government of Cambodia, led by Prince Norodom Sihanouk, and various communist insurgent groups, notably the Khmer Rouge. It was influenced by the Vietnam War and Cold War dynamics.
Majority religion: Buddhism.

Ethiopian Civil War (1974-1991)
Location: Ethiopia
Number of victims: Estimates range from hundreds of thousands to over 1 million
Reasons for the conflict: The Ethiopian Civil War involved the overthrow of Emperor Haile Selassie's regime by the Derg, a Marxist-Leninist military junta. It led to a protracted conflict between the Derg and various rebel groups, including the Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF).
Majority religion: Christianity (Orthodox).

Paraguayan War (1864-1870)
Location: Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay
Number of victims: Estimates range from 300,000 to 1.2 million
Reasons for the conflict: The Paraguayan War, also known as the War of the Triple Alliance, was fought between Paraguay and the Triple Alliance of Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay. It stemmed from territorial disputes, power struggles, and economic interests in the region.
Majority religion: Christianity (Catholicism and Protestantism).

Croatian War of Independence (1991-1995)
Location: Croatia
Number of victims: Estimates range from 20,000 to 25,000
Reasons for the conflict: The Croatian War of Independence was fought between Croatian forces seeking independence from Yugoslavia and the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA), supported by Serbian militias. The war was driven by nationalist aspirations, ethnic tensions, and the dissolution of Yugoslavia.
Majority religion: Christianity (Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy).

Greek Civil War (1946-1949)
Location: Greece
Number of victims: Estimates range from 50,000 to 158,000
Reasons for the conflict: The Greek Civil War was a conflict between the Greek government, supported by Western powers, and communist guerrillas (ELAS) backed by Yugoslavia and Albania. It followed the end of World War II and involved ideological and geopolitical struggles.
Majority religion: Christianity (Eastern Orthodoxy).

Vietnam War (1955-1975)
Location: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia
Number of victims: Estimates range from 1.5 to 3 million
Reasons for the conflict: The Vietnam War was a protracted conflict between North Vietnam, supported by communist allies, and South Vietnam, backed by the United States and other anti-communist forces. It was driven by ideological, political, and geopolitical factors during the Cold War era.
Majority religion: Buddhism.

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Op vrijdag 19 april 2024 15:16 schreef Aether het volgende:
Kabinet onderzoekt mogelijkheden verbieden koranverbrandingen en beperkingen demonstratierecht
https://www.telegraaf.nl/(...)en-demonstratierecht

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Expliciet wordt er ook gevraagd om te kijken naar ’eventuele beperkingen van demonstraties’ als er een ’mogelijke impact’ is voor de nationale veiligheid, bijvoorbeeld bij koranverbrandingen. Demissionair minister Hanke Bruins Slot, die na het vertrek van Wopke Hoekstra is aangesteld als minister van Buitenlandse Zaken, bleek er eerder al voorstander van te zijn om koranverbrandingen moeilijker te maken door ’internationale veiligheid’ als grond aan te dragen om zulke demonstraties te verbieden. Vorig jaar werd de Zweedse ambassade in de Iraakse hoofdstad Bagdad bestormd en in brand gestoken uit protest tegen een aangekondigde koranverbranding in Zweden. Bruins Slot vreest dat dit ook met Nederlandse ambassades kan gebeuren als we in eigen land niet feller optreden tegen koranverbrandingen.

Daarom wordt daar nu onderzoek naar gedaan. „Demonstraties kunnen in het uiterste geval ook gevolgen hebben voor de nationale veiligheid. Bij de door de burgemeester van Arnhem (Achmed Marcouch, red.) verboden koranschending, vanwege de vrees voor wanordelijkheden, werd ook gewezen op de mogelijke impact van een dergelijke schending op de nationale veiligheid. In het onderzoek wordt daarom ook bekeken hoe andere landen omgaan met nationale veiligheid als grond voor eventuele beperkingen van demonstraties”, schrijven De Jonge en Yesilgöz.

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BAGDAD - Honderden aanhangers van de invloedrijke Iraakse geestelijke Moqtada al-Sadr hebben donderdag de Zweedse ambassade in Bagdad bestormd en in brand gestoken omdat zij verwachten dat er in Zweden een koran verbrand gaat worden.