Conflict Israël / Palestina #25 Eindigt nooit

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:45 schreef marcb1974 het volgende:

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Dat hebben ze de hele dag al amper, en toch doen ze het massaal.
Waarom zou het nu anders zijn

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:47 schreef Drxx het volgende:

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Waarom is het verkeerd om pro-Palestina (niet Hamas) te zijn dan?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:07 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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After rule by the Ottoman Empire ended there in World War I (1914–18), the Gaza area became part of the League of Nations mandate of Palestine under British rule. Before this mandate ended, the General Assembly of the United Nations (UN) in November 1947 accepted a plan for the Arab-Jewish partition of Palestine under which the town of Gaza and an area of surrounding territory were to be allotted to the Arabs. The British mandate ended on May 15, 1948, and on that same day the first Arab-Israeli war began. Egyptian forces soon entered the town of Gaza, which became the headquarters of the Egyptian expeditionary force in Palestine. As a result of heavy fighting in autumn 1948, the area around the town under Arab occupation was reduced to a strip of territory 25 miles (40 km) long and 4–5 miles (6–8 km) wide. This area became known as the Gaza Strip. Its boundaries were demarcated in the Egyptian-Israeli armistice agreement of February 24, 1949.


The Gaza Strip was under Egyptian military rule from 1949 to 1956 and again from 1957 to 1967. From the beginning, the area’s chief economic and social problem was the presence of large numbers of Palestinian Arab refugees living in extreme poverty in squalid camps. The Egyptian government did not consider the area part of Egypt and did not allow the refugees to become Egyptian citizens or to migrate to Egypt or to other Arab countries where they might be integrated into the population. Israel did not allow them to return to their former homes or to receive compensation for their loss of property. The refugees were maintained largely through the aid of the UNRWA. Many of the younger refugees became fedayeen (Arab guerrillas operating against Israel); their attacks on Israel were one of the causes precipitating the Sinai campaign during the Suez Crisis of 1956, when the strip was taken by Israel. The strip reverted to Egyptian control in 1957 following strong international pressures on Israel.

Six-Day War in Gaza
In the Six-Day War of June 1967, the Gaza Strip was again taken by Israel, which occupied the region for the next quarter century. In December 1987 rioting and violent street clashes between Gaza’s Palestinians and occupying Israeli troops marked the birth of an uprising that came to be known as the intifada (Arabic intifāḍah, “shaking off”). In 1994 Israel began a phased transfer of governmental authority in the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority (PA) under the terms of the Oslo Accords that were signed by Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). The fledgling Palestinian government, led by Yasser Arafat, struggled with such problems as a stagnant economy, divided popular support, stalled negotiations with Israel over further troop withdrawals and territoriality, and the threat of terrorism from militant Muslim groups such as Islamic Jihad and Hamas, which refused to compromise with Israel and were intent on derailing the peace process. Beginning in late 2000, a breakdown in negotiations between the PA and Israel was followed by a further, more extreme outbreak of violence, termed the second, or Aqṣā, intifada. In an effort to end the fighting, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon announced in late 2003 a plan that centred on withdrawing Israeli soldiers and settlers from the Gaza Strip. In September 2005 Israel completed the pullout from the territory, and control of the Gaza Strip was transferred to the PA, although Israel continued to patrol its borders and airspace.

Under Hamas’s governance
In the 2006 PA parliamentary elections, Fatah—which had dominated Palestinian politics since its founding in the 1950s—suffered a decisive loss to Hamas, reflecting years of dissatisfaction with Fatah’s governance, which was criticized as corrupt and inefficient. Hamas’s victory prompted sanctions by Israel, the United States, and the European Union, each of which had placed the organization on its official list of terrorist groups. The Gaza Strip was the site of escalating violence between the competing groups, and a short-lived coalition government was ended in June 2007 after Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip and a Fatah-led emergency cabinet took control of the West Bank. Despite calls by PA Pres. Mahmoud Abbas for Hamas to relinquish its position in the Gaza Strip, the territory remained under Hamas’s control.

Attempts at reconciliation with Fatah
A number of attempts were made to reconcile with the Fatah-led PA. An initial deal was reached in 2011 but did not bring about much change. A new deal was achieved in 2014, in which Hamas agreed to hand over administration of the Gaza Strip to the PA and recognize the prime ministership of Rami Hamdallah. As such, the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip resigned, including the prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh. The PA was not allowed to resume control of public institutions in the Gaza Strip until late 2017, however, after implementation of a new agreement. The PA failed to gain full governance in the area, though, and decided to cut funding to the Gaza Strip in 2018. As disagreements continued to escalate, the PA ceased operating the Rafah border crossing with Egypt in January 2019. Later that month Hamdallah resigned, ending the unity government.

Blockade of Gaza Strip
In autumn 2007 Israel declared the Gaza Strip under Hamas a hostile entity and approved a series of sanctions that included power cuts, heavily restricted imports, and border closures. In January 2008, facing sustained rocket assaults into its southern settlements, Israel broadened its sanctions, completely sealing its border with the Gaza Strip and temporarily preventing fuel imports. Later that month, after nearly a week of the intensified Israeli blockade, Hamas’s forces demolished portions of the barrier along the Gaza Strip–Egypt border (closed from Hamas’s mid-2007 takeover until 2011), opening gaps through which, according to some estimates, hundreds of thousands of Gazans passed into Egypt to purchase food, fuel, and goods unavailable under the blockade. Egyptian Pres. Hosni Mubarak temporarily permitted the breach to alleviate civilian hardship in Gaza before efforts could begin to restore the border.

In the years after the Israeli blockade on Gaza was instated, an organization known as the Free Gaza Movement made a number of maritime efforts to breach it. The first such mission—which consisted of a pair of vessels bearing medical supplies and some 45 activists—was permitted to reach Gaza in August 2008, and four missions in subsequent months were also successful. In May 2010 a flotilla bound for Gaza was the scene of a clash between activists and Israeli commandos in which 9 of the more than 600 activists involved were killed.

Under Mubarak, Egypt’s cooperation in enforcing the blockade was deeply unpopular with the Egyptian public. In May 2011, four months after a popular uprising in Egypt forced Mubarak to step down as president, Egypt’s interim government announced that it would permanently reopen the Rafah border crossing, allowing Palestinians to pass between Egypt and Gaza. About 1,200 people were allowed to cross the border daily, though it remained closed for trade. However, in the turmoil following the ouster of Egyptian Pres. Mohamed Morsi in the summer of 2013, traffic through the border crossing was reduced to 50 people per day because of security concerns and was later closed altogether.

After the PA took control of the Rafah border crossing in late 2017, Egypt began allowing 200 people per day to cross the border in May 2018. The border was closed briefly after the PA quit the Gaza Strip in January 2019, but it was reopened weeks later by Hamas. During this rare and prolonged easing of the border, tens of thousands of Gazans were reported to have permanently emigrated from the Gaza Strip.

After months of violence between Israel and Hamas in mid-2018, Israel began to ease restrictions on its blockade as a part of an effort to incentivize a more long-term cease-fire agreement between the two. In 2019 Israel allowed the flow of additional goods into and out of the territory, expanded the permitted fishing zone for Gazans to its largest extent in more than a decade, and began allowing thousands of Gazans to cross the border to work in Israel.

Qatar, meanwhile, began offering tens of millions of dollars in humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip at the end of 2018, after both Israel and Egypt agreed to allow the aid. By 2021 it had disbursed nearly $400 million to the territory.

Conflict with Israel
In June 2008, after months of back-and-forth strikes and incursions, Israel and Hamas agreed to implement a truce scheduled to last six months. However, this was threatened shortly thereafter as each accused the other of violations, which escalated in the last months of the agreement. When the truce officially expired on December 19, Hamas announced that it did not intend to extend it. Broader hostilities erupted shortly thereafter as Israel, responding to sustained rocket fire, mounted a series of air strikes across the region—among the strongest in years—meant to target Hamas. After a week of air strikes, Israeli forces initiated a ground campaign into the Gaza Strip amid calls from the international community for a cease-fire. Following more than three weeks of hostilities—in which perhaps more than 1,000 were killed and tens of thousands were left homeless—Israel and Hamas each declared a unilateral cease-fire.

Beginning on November 14, 2012, Israel launched a series of air strikes in Gaza, in response to an increase in the number of rockets fired from Gaza into Israeli territory over the previous nine months. The head of the military wing of Hamas, Ahmed Said Khalil al-Jabari, was killed in the initial strike. Hamas retaliated with increasing rocket attacks on Israel, and fighting continued until the two sides reached a cease-fire agreement on November 21.

In June 2014 three Israeli teenagers were kidnapped; Israel conducted a massive crackdown in the West Bank and increased air strikes in the Gaza Strip, prompting retaliatory rocket fire from Hamas. As fighting continued to escalate, Israel launched a 50-day offensive into the Gaza Strip on July 8. Some 2,100 Palestinians and more than 70 Israelis were killed in the ensuing conflict, with about 5,000 targets hit in the Gaza Strip. Despite the devastation, Hamas’s handling of the conflict was viewed positively by Palestinians and boosted the group’s popularity.

In the spring of 2018 a series of protests along the border with Israel, which included attempts to cross the border and flying flaming kites, was met with a violent response from Israel. Both the protests and the violence reached a peak on May 14 when about 40,000 Gazans attended the protests. When many of them tried to cross the border at once, Israeli troops opened fire, killing about 60 people and wounding 2,700 others. The violence escalated into military strikes from Israel and rocket fire from Hamas and continued for several months.

Amid the occasional skirmishes, and as Egypt tried to mediate a long-term truce between them, Israel and Hamas appeared to make some effort to de-escalate tense situations. In October, when rocket fire from the Gaza Strip hit Israel, Israel concluded that the rockets had been set off by a lightning strike. In November a covert Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip was exposed, and Hamas responded by firing hundreds of rockets into Israel. Israel retaliated with more than 100 air strikes. The two sides quickly agreed to a truce, however, and, throughout 2019 and into 2020, they continued to negotiate a long-term “understanding” for the maintenance of peace and easing of the blockade. The discussions, though occasionally interrupted by brief outbreaks of tit-for-tat violence, were reinforced by halted border protests and a loosening of the restrictions on trade and travel through the Gaza border.

A major escalation took place in May 2021. Weeks of simmering tensions in Jerusalem boiled over when Israel’s Supreme Court was set to rule on the eviction of dozens of Palestinian residents in the Jerusalem neighbourhood of Sheikh Jarrah. Confrontations between Israeli police and Palestinian demonstrators prompted Hamas to launch rockets into Jerusalem and parts of southern Israel; Israel responded with air strikes in the Gaza Strip.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:47 schreef Drxx het volgende:

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Waarom is het verkeerd om pro-Palestina (niet Hamas) te zijn dan?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:52 schreef Hiddendoe het volgende:
Waarom is het zo belangrijk voor het westen om in dit conflict op de meest extreme manier partij te kiezen?
In mijn ogen zijn beide landen hartstikke fout bezig met als lachende derde onze 'beschaafde en superieure' westerlingen.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:51 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
150 doden nu officieel trouwens, in israel

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:45 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
Tel Aviv lijkt wel geraakt te zijn bij die laatste rocket barrage van net

https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)_aviv_at_the_moment/

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:51 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
150 doden nu officieel trouwens, in israel

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:56 schreef Claudia_x het volgende:
Gaan ze hier al vierend door de straten?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:55 schreef Richestorags het volgende:

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Damn.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:45 schreef HowardRoark het volgende:

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Ik denk dat je onder de stemmers van een partij als GroenLinks helaas ook wel genoeg steun voor de Palestijnen zult vinden, hetzelfde geldt voor D66, het zal allemaal lang niet zo radicaal zijn als bij BIJ1, maar het zal er zeker wel leven.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 18:42 schreef Haags het volgende:

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Als je zo begaan bent met Hamas, pak dan lekker je spullen en tyf op naar de Gazastrook.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:00 schreef Ali_boo het volgende:
Damn

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:01 schreef TargaFlorio het volgende:
Bij de Israëlische inlichtingendiensten gaan koppen rollen.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:51 schreef mcmlxiv het volgende:

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Begrijp het dan alle Arabieren zijn beesten! Zo zit de simplistische wereld van de sinterklaas aanbiddende extreemrechtse “clusterbommen op Gaza” simplisten eruit. Zo grappig hoe dat soort volk precies even haatdragend, onverdraagzaam en gewelddadig is als de islam-terroristen die ze zo haten.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:47 schreef Drxx het volgende:

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Waarom is het verkeerd om pro-Palestina (niet Hamas) te zijn dan?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:06 schreef Qarrad het volgende:
Ik kan niet veel verzinnen over hoe die beelden van dode en gewonde en ontvoerde vrouwen en kinderen gespind kunnen worden. Iedereen op die filmpjes is gewoon dood en alles wat eromheen woont of ooit koffie heeft gedronken met ze ook.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:47 schreef Drxx het volgende:

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Waarom is het verkeerd om pro-Palestina (niet Hamas) te zijn dan?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:09 schreef Jeroboam het volgende:
Ik heb geen verstand van het conflict en ik zeg dit niet om te trollen maar waarom doet Israël dit de Palestijnen aan nadat ze in de Tweede Wereldoorlog zo zijn aangepakt door de Duitsers? Is zo'n vreselijke reactie van een kat in het nauw dan zo vreemd?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:10 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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Omdat Palestijnen Untermenschen zijn...

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:10 schreef HowardRoark het volgende:

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Wat doet Israël de Palestijnen precies aan dan?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:04 schreef Ali_boo het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 18:52 schreef aloa het volgende:

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Zoals ik al eerder zei. Kijken naar het verleden lost echt niks op.
Moet ik nu ook nog steeds kwaad zijn op Duitsers om de 2 WO?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:09 schreef Slayage het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:10 schreef ExTec het volgende:

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Don't want to burst your bubble, maar het is helaas niet ongewoon dat er om deze doden gejuicht wordt, onder een zekere aanhang van hamas.

Dus nee, hamas vind die beelden PR-technisch niet zo'n probleem.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:09 schreef Slayage het volgende:
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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:07 schreef nixxx het volgende:

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Als de palestijnen niets doen, dan zul je me niet horen dat er clusterbommen op Gaza moeten. Alleen als een reactie op dit barbarisme vind ik het wèl passend.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:14 schreef Digi2 het volgende:

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China lukt dat anders prima met Tibet.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:01 schreef TargaFlorio het volgende:
Bij de Israëlische inlichtingendiensten gaan koppen rollen.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 19:06 schreef Aether het volgende:

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Hamas heeft het over 5000, Israël over duizenden.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:15 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
Andy Mok, Center for China and Globalization
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Hamas attack in Israel has strong echoes of the Tet Offensive which was initiated during the Tet holiday and saw the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong clandestinely infiltrate cities and towns across South Vietnam, catching U.S. and South Vietnamese forces unprepared. This unexpected large-scale attack, juxtaposed against prior optimistic official reports, profoundly eroded U.S. public confidence in the war effort, leading to shifts in U.S. policy towards de-escalation and the eventual withdrawal of American troops from Vietnam.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:07 schreef nixxx het volgende:

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Als de palestijnen niets doen, dan zul je me niet horen dat er clusterbommen op Gaza moeten. Alleen als een reactie op dit barbarisme vind ik het wèl passend.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:09 schreef Jeroboam het volgende:
Ik heb geen verstand van het conflict en ik zeg dit niet om te trollen maar waarom doet Israël dit de Palestijnen aan nadat ze in de Tweede Wereldoorlog zo zijn aangepakt door de Duitsers? Is zo'n vreselijke reactie van een kat in het nauw dan zo vreemd?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:15 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
Andy Mok, Center for China and Globalization
@:andymok
Hamas attack in Israel has strong echoes of the Tet Offensive which was initiated during the Tet holiday and saw the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong clandestinely infiltrate cities and towns across South Vietnam, catching U.S. and South Vietnamese forces unprepared. This unexpected large-scale attack, juxtaposed against prior optimistic official reports, profoundly eroded U.S. public confidence in the war effort, leading to shifts in U.S. policy towards de-escalation and the eventual withdrawal of American troops from Vietnam.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:12 schreef Jeroboam het volgende:

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Ze in bepaalde gebieden in een hokje stoppen en zorgen dat het leven daar niet zo prettig is?

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:13 schreef TargaFlorio het volgende:

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Die vergelijking met WO2 slaat nergens op want de wandaden van Israël zijn recent.

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:06 schreef Ali_boo het volgende:
Taliban? Waarom niet

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Op zaterdag 7 oktober 2023 20:17 schreef Timwonnacott het volgende:

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Omdat ze zo door de Duitsers zijn aangepakt. Israël was al in 1947 akkoord met een twee staten plan maar de tegenpartij is daar altijd op tegen geweest en accepteren niets minder dan het verdwijnen van de staat van Israël en heeft sindsdien meerdere pogingen ondernomen om dat voor elkaar te krijgen.