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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 17:54 schreef DDDDDaaf het volgende:

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Totdat ze in diarreeïstan weer eens een natuurramp voor hun kiezen krijgen, dan moet het westen hen weer uit de brand helpen omdat ze hun belastinggeld liever aan (kern)wapens uitgeven.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 17:47 schreef Idisrom het volgende:
India loopt niet aan de leiband van Groot Brittannië (of de rest van Europa).

'Europe Has to Grow Out of Mindset That Its Problems Are World's Problems' : S Jaishankar

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:00 schreef quirina het volgende:

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India steunt Rusland.
Vandaar.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 17:36 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:

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Is geen zelfhaat maar gewoon een middel om zichzelf verheven te voelen. Zij hebben immers het licht gezien, in tegenstelling tot al die normies die zich alleen maar door de mainstream media laten hersenspoelen.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 17:54 schreef Lospedrosa het volgende:

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Paar TOS-1 op de artillerie?

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:04 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
OMG!

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:04 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
OMG!

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You may remember the story of the Russian 35th army I've shared two days ago with my audience describing the sorry state of the army's supply in Izyum, Ukraine. The story was posted by a Russian (LPR) militia blogger "Murz" and it caused quite a resonance among the Russian war correspondents and bloggers who en-masse attacked said Murz for his revelations. Well, Murz did not stop there, and this morning shared another long livejournal post where not only he attacked his own attackers but also shared some more interesting details about the mobilisation process in Donbas, going over the terrible preparation of Russian airforce along the way...

This is an excerpt from a longer post - I did not include sections of his verbal altercations with other Russian reporters - they wouldn't make much sense. But the juicy part is indeed below:



...First of all, both the People's Militia of LPR, and the People's Militia of DPR, if we take their composition as of 24 February, truly most of them have died in the first weeks, if not days of the war. They died exactly due to reasons I've been describing all these years, which are spoken about in the KCPN* report and a lot of other similar documents written by the late "Dobry" during his service in LPR, both in collaboration with me and akela2017, and written separately. Poor training, poor equipment, shoddy supply and a shoddy quality of the most "imported" advisors, who systematically reduce the combat readiness of the troops rather than increasing it...



(*KCPN - Novorossiya Aid Coordination Centre)



The only thing worse than defending with such a "background" is advancing. Which is exactly what was done. The vast majority of the people who are currently on the frontline in the infantry companies are the people who returned to service or got there for the first time after the 24 February, or as part of the February "mobilisation". Most of our "old" infantry, those who had at least some service experience, who were at least one bit ready for what was coming, are already down in graves and hospitals. Currently, in the brigades of the people's militia, companies the size of a squad are filled with "mobs". These companies are commanded by sergeants, if not privates if we look at their ranks at the start of the special military operation.



Secondly, the "Syrian adventure" in no way, and I mean in no way at all helped to try out the new "high-tech" weapon types, since the difference between using them on ISIL-partisans and targets at the training grounds is practically non-existent - both cannot interfere with their application. Meaning that the Su-34 with its "latest aiming and navigation system" which if put simply calculates the fall trajectory of a cheap unguided bomb and accordingly gives the necessary dropping point allowing you to hit more or less where you need to, without all these "bourgeois" frills with guided munitions, in exactly the same way it throws these "iron blocks" both at training ground targets and the "Basmachi*" - Basmachi cannot physically reach them with their MANPADS.



(*Basmachi - colloquial name for poorly equipped, "wild" peoples)



However, when the Su-34 is flying to bomb ukrainians, who have a fully-fledged anti-air defence... UAF work on it from a fully-fledged air-defence system which has a totally different reach in terms of height and range. After a few attempts to play with such "high technologies" the Su-34's started to rapidly run out and our aviation moved to the tactic of "high-precision weaponry". Su-25 fighters and helicopters, as to avoid entering the strike zone of UAF air-defence systems, worked at the enemy with volleys of uncontrolled rockets from a distance and retreated. The surrounding yards around the same 29th checkpoint suffered from this extensively, while the enemy... well, perhaps they had a laugh, if noticed at all with our artillery firing in the background.



Such is the "high-tech". The latest Ka-52 are hammering from distance the strong fortifications with small caliber analogues of "GRAD" MLRS. Extremely expensive, but a completely useless circus.



When a couple of Ka-52 and Mi-28 attempted precision striking, at least with some benefit, and the daredevil pilots risked going straight to the target to and fire aimed strikes, it became apparent it was just a pair of them, both ordered for a change from building Putin's and Medvedev's palaces, and the seasonal replacement of Moscow's street tiles. And the machines ended up under fire of Ukrainian MANPADS. Very often they were taken down. Surrounding the enemy as a group of eight helis and firing at the target continuously so the enemy MANPADS could even raise their heads - it's a completely different story. Especially if the MANPADS are pinned to the ground with our artillery on the heli's approach. You can fight that way. That's roughly how they are trying to fight now, realising that just with a couple of helicopters flying without coordination with ground troops you cannot solve any matter. But those who perished in February, March and April cannot be brought back.



Syria didn't help, the lessons were not learned. Likewise, the "calibration of the rears" had no influence since it was decided to not touch logistics and civilian infrastructure. So basically, endless billions of dollars were thrown away.



Especially amusing is wording of "The brazen hohols were intercepted during the preparation of an offensive *on Russia* and were properly smashed as a result of the special operation". This is the best, five stars.



So, following the events.



February. Mobilisation is taking place in LPR and DPR. After having a good laugh at the Ukrainians who at least somewhat trained their reserves ("Wooden assault rifles! Ha-ha-ha!"), in the Republics they are swooping everyone up, equipping them with Mosin-Nagant rifles, not providing them with any armoured vests, medicines, and throwing them into the wintery fields without training. The "luckiest" were forbidden from starting fires so "the Ukrainians couldn't shell with artillery". How are you going to warm yourself in an empty field - your problem. Of course, the frostbitten toes were amputated not from Zagatin* and his son (who is now 15 I think - this is important).



(*Zagatin - one of Murz's attackers)



What is the need for this insane, wild, terrible, I don't know what else to call it, a completely unprepared mobilisation? It is to fill with "mobs" the calm sections of the frontline, and throw the LPR People's Militia "contractors", read more or less trained troops, to advance on Ukrainians. To achieve at least an equal number of attackers and defenders.



What is the need for this attack which locks the most trained, the most experienced UAF forces in Donbas? After all, the chance of a decisive success of such operation, if done on its own, is laughable. Of course, it is necessary so that the best units of UAF could not be transferred to defend the advance of RF. Thus, the Donbas militias and "mobs" with their own blood are buying the opportunity of a decisive success of RF AF in Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv. And they are doing it, dying in hundreds and thousands, since they realise their brothers-in-arms are advancing. After all, the guys came to our rescue, we need to strike together with them!



What happens next? The military and political command of RF uselessly squanders all the initial successes in Kyiv, Chernihiv and Kharkiv, paid first and foremost with blood of Donbas infantry and "mobs", thrown to attack the UAF. RF AF are losing irreversibly around half a thousand of tanks, mainly the latest models, and a large part of the available BMP-3 fleet. A monstrous amount of expensive special equipment, including communications and air defence systems.



Three months have passed, and on average the RF AF are fighting with the same armoured equipment as UAF, if not worse. Mainly - the same BMP-1 and BMP-2 as Ukrainians have, and old versions of T-72/T-80's against T-64. However, where Ukrainians have all their armoured vehicles, including such old rubbish like BRDM-2 equipped with closed radio comms and modern navigation systems, if we have any radio stations on tanks and BTR's at all, these are R-123's and R-173's, which are similar but with open channels.



So the military and political authorities of RF did not just throw the Donbas men into a meat grinder in February-March, but it also DID IT SENSELESSLY, shitting away all the opportunities it tried to create for itself...

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 17:47 schreef Idisrom het volgende:
India loopt niet aan de leiband van Groot Brittannië (of de rest van Europa).

'Europe Has to Grow Out of Mindset That Its Problems Are World's Problems' : S Jaishankar

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:24 schreef ExTec het volgende:

Anderzijds snap ik op dit punt niet dat india nog rus wapens koopt. India is groot genoeg om daar zelf in te kunnen voorzien.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:13 schreef xpompompomx het volgende:
Good good
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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:30 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
Zware bombardementen op de Ukrainse artillery heuvels
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‘Meat grinder’ battle wipes out poorly equipped Russian brigades

Officers ‘destroy their own forces’ with blunder in forests near Kharkiv, soldier claims

Two Russian brigades were “destroyed” after incompetent officers sent them into a battle in eastern Ukraine with soggy lavatory paper, shoe polish and Soviet-era field telephones instead of modern equipment, a soldier who reportedly survived the assault has claimed.

In a transcript of comments, first reported by a pro-war Russian blogger, the unnamed soldier described how units from the 64th Brigade — notorious for allegedly raping and murdering hundreds in Bucha — and the 38th Brigade were redeployed from around Kyiv to capture Izyum, a major city in the Kharkiv region, in April.

According to the unnamed soldier, they were not given spades to dig trenches or modern electronic radio systems, leaving them vulnerable to heavy Ukrainian fire that turned the battle into what he described as a “meat grinder”.

“The enemy equipped with modern communication tools and using drones freely and on a large scale, including commercial drones, delivered substantial blows to our troops,” he said.

He said by the end of the battle, the “combat-ready infantry” of the two brigades was less than 100 men. It is difficult to ascertain exact Russian troop numbers but each brigade had around 1,700 deployable soldiers before the war. “The 35th Army, fighting in the forests near Izyum, asked me to convey a message that, generally speaking, the task of destroying their own forces was successfully completed by the army commanders. The army is almost gone,” the soldier said sarcastically.

Western intelligence has said that more than 15,000 Russian soldiers have died in three months of fighting, more than during the Soviet Union’s 10-year war in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Izyum lies on a key road between Kharkiv and the Donbas and was considered vital to securing the Russian army’s supply routes into the east of Ukraine. Military strategists also said its capture could be used as a launchpad to encircle Ukrainian forces in Donbas.

Russian artillery pounded the city for weeks and there were fierce battles in the forests around it. By the start of May, Russian forces had captured the town.

The soldier’s account of the battle for the city was published by a pro-war Russian blogger who uses the pseudonym “Fighting Cat Murz” and is apparently based in rebel-held territories of Donbas.

“The army received trucks loaded with shoe polish and toilet paper. The toilet paper, having travelled half the way under pouring rain in trucks with leaky roofs, of course, has fully soaked,” he said.

The blog largely discusses repairs to civilian drones used by pro-Russia rebels as well as the progress of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine since Feb 24. It is clear the anonymous writer is in favour of the war but he also grumbles about Russia’s strategy and lack of proper equipment.

“Fighting Cat Murz” said Russian censors had deleted his original post about the soldier but he had posted it on his Telegram account. It is unclear when the transcript was made but it was first published on June 3. “The losses are huge, the difficulties are monstrous, there is no certainty that we will cope and no vision of how exactly we should cope?” he said of the Russian military campaign in an apparent justification for publishing it.

The US-based Institute for the Study of War said the transcript could not be independently verified but its description of poor Russian military leadership and inadequate equipment was consistent with other reports. “These conditions are likely a major contributing factor to Russian demoralisation and the growing refusal of servicemen to return to frontline units,” it said.

The unnamed soldier also said the Wagner mercenary group, considered to include some of Russia’s toughest fighters, refused to fight in the Izyum battle after watching Russian commanders order their soldiers to advance into Ukrainian fire. “Wagner mercenaries refused to assault the enemy positions in this area, saying they are not paid that much money,” he said.

Western analysts have long said Russia’s army lacks lower ranking officers capable of making quick on-the-ground tactical decisions, and the unnamed soldier is scathing about the leadership in the Izyum fight. But it is sub-standard equipment, including Soviet-era field telephones, that attracts most of his ire.

Russian communication equipment has been so woeful that radio hobbyists across Europe had been able to listen in on orders. Ukrainian intelligence has also said they have assassinated Russian generals by locating them through their mobile phone intercepts.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:38 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:
Russische luchtmacht is wat beter bezig heb ik het idee.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:38 schreef RamboDirk het volgende:
Samengevat, het Russisch leger begint steeds meer strategische blunders te maken. Doordat ervaren soldaten en officieren zijn uitgeschakeld en ze steeds meer onervaren personeel moeten inzetten.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:28 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:

Door bij Rusland te kopen krijgen ze ook invloed en een bondgenoot bij een supermacht die hun buurland is. Mocht er een conflict met China komen dan zal Rusland niet vol China steunen maar enigzins neutraal blijven vanwege de economisch/militaire banden met India.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:40 schreef AchJa het volgende:

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Het Russische leger maakt vanaf dag D al blunders...

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:42 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

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Ze boeken gewoon vooruitgang hoor, hoe langzaam het ook gaat.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:42 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

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Ze boeken gewoon vooruitgang hoor, hoe langzaam het ook gaat.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:42 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

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Ze boeken gewoon vooruitgang hoor, hoe langzaam het ook gaat.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:42 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

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Ze boeken gewoon vooruitgang hoor, hoe langzaam het ook gaat.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:42 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:

Ze boeken gewoon vooruitgang hoor, hoe langzaam het ook gaat.

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Op zondag 5 juni 2022 18:45 schreef ExTec het volgende:

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Als je er ook vanaf haalt dat ze op andere plekken verliezen, dan niet, en zelfs al doen ze dat, hebben ze met dit tempo Oekraïne wel onder controle in het jaar 2095