Crisis Oekraïne: NAVO/EU vs Rusland #7 Knallen uit het Oosten.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 08:50 schreef mcmlxiv het volgende:

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Vlad heeft geen keuze, de arme jongen! Hij moet wel, hij is opgehitst! Het enige wat vlad wil is een beetje RESPECT! Het arme schaap. Laten we allemaal stoppen met het plagen van Putin, dan komt het vast goed.

Zo doorzichtig om continu te lopen bitchen op VS/EU/NATO, maar geen kwaad woord over Putin. Geen enkel commentaar op de dictator die tegenstanders vermoord of opsluit en die al zijn buren met geweld bedreigd of erger.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 11:02 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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Superveel want iedereen weet dat van Baalen de puppetmaster van de Rothshilds en Soros is.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 11:02 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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Superveel want iedereen weet dat van Baalen de puppetmaster van de Rothshilds en Soros is.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 11:53 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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Zijn dood is een hoax om het volk om de tuin te leiden.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 11:48 schreef Bepje het volgende:
Soros is zooooooooooo 2011. Tegenwoordig moet je bang zijn voor Dick Schwab, mensen.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 10:21 schreef Schaamlap het volgende:

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Ga je eens verdiepen in wat NATO/US de laatste decennia heeft uitgevreten en hoeveel slachtoffers dat heeft gekost.
De naweeen (eindeloze vluchtelingen stroom) heeft de EU nog steeds last van.

Dat heet in de volksmond: boter op je hoofd hebben.

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All wars have a habit of spiralling out of control — especially ones between big states, in domains that have never been fought over (like space and cyber). Every major event — from the Second Gulf War, to Afghanistan, to the global financial crisis and the Arab Spring — has escaped the control of elites who thought they were in charge of the situation.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 12:17 schreef mcmlxiv het volgende:

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En wederom kom je met niet ter zake doende shit om iedereen maar af te leiden.

Dit topic gaat over Oekraïne, je weet wel dat land een stukje ten oosten van ons. Het land waar de Russen al een genocide op hun geweten hebben. Het land waar de Russen al een stuk vanaf geroofd hebben. het land waar de Russen al een vliegtuig met (o.a Nederlandse) burgers hebben neergeschoten. Het land waar de Russen nu aan de grens staan om wellicht binnen te vallen.

En het gaat over Putin, je weet wel die dictator die steelt van zijn eigen bevolking, die tegenstanders vermoort of opsluit, die buurlanden bedreigd of binnenvalt.

Kom maar met je gaapje, argumenten heb je tenslotte niet…

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 12:26 schreef Schaamlap het volgende:

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Haal eerst die balk eens uit je ogen.
Ga eens kijken wat we in Syrie hebben gedaan.
Platgebombardeerd naar de middeleeuwen, duizenden doden. Irak, zelfde verhaal. Honderduizenden doden, totaal ontwricht, ISIS kwam op. Ellende veroorzaakt door de jou aanbeden NAVO en US.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 12:26 schreef Schaamlap het volgende:

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Haal eerst die balk eens uit je ogen.
Ga eens kijken wat we in Syrie hebben gedaan.
Platgebombardeerd naar de middeleeuwen, duizenden doden. Irak, zelfde verhaal. Honderduizenden doden, totaal ontwricht, ISIS kwam op. Ellende veroorzaakt door de jou aanbeden NAVO en US.
En nu gaat je grote vriend herrie schoppen in Azie.

A Chinese military spokesman, Senior Colonel Wu Qian, warned last October that Beijing would “not stand by” if Washington deployed land-based, long-range missiles in the Asia-Pacific region.

China’s foreign ministry accused the United States of sticking “to its cold war mentality” and “constantly increasing military deployment” in the region.

“Recently, the United States has gotten worse, stepping up its pursuit of a so-called ‘Indo-Pacific strategy’ that seeks to deploy new weapons, including ground-launched intermediate-range missiles, in the Asia-Pacific region,” the ministry said in a statement to Reuters. “China firmly opposes that.”

Loop maar lekker achter die mongolen aan en steun ze maar lekker.
Niet gaan janken als er daadwerkelijk een oorlog losbarst en Nederland wordt meegetrokken in de maalstroom van ellende veroorzaakt door je arrogante onwetende Yankee vriendjes.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 13:14 schreef Jojoke het volgende:


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Volgens de verzamelde filmpjes van https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin stromen de tanks en militairen nog steeds Wit-Rusland binnen.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 01:51 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
De CIA Ground Branch is de tak voor covert operations en paramilitary operations en bestaat uit voormalige special forces leden. Ze zijn al sinds 2014 bezig met een insurgency leger opleiden die nadat Rusland succesvol Ukraine heeft veroverd een guerilla oorlog gaat voeren om hun het leven zuur te maken.

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CIA-trained Ukrainian paramilitaries may take central role if Russia invades
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The CIA is overseeing a secret intensive training program in the U.S. for elite Ukrainian special operations forces and other intelligence personnel, according to five former intelligence and national security officials familiar with the initiative. The program, which started in 2015, is based at an undisclosed facility in the Southern U.S., according to some of those officials.

The CIA-trained forces could soon play a critical role on Ukraine’s eastern border, where Russian troops have massed in what many fear is preparation for an invasion. The U.S. and Russia started security talks earlier this week in Geneva but have failed thus far to reach any concrete agreement.

While the covert program, run by paramilitaries working for the CIA’s Ground Branch — now officially known as Ground Department — was established by the Obama administration after Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea in 2014, and expanded under the Trump administration, the Biden administration has further augmented it, said a former senior intelligence official in touch with colleagues in government.

By 2015, as part of this expanded anti-Russia effort, CIA Ground Branch paramilitaries also started traveling to the front in eastern Ukraine to advise their counterparts there, according to a half-dozen former officials.

The multiweek, U.S.-based CIA program has included training in firearms, camouflage techniques, land navigation, tactics like “cover and move,” intelligence and other areas, according to former officials.

How to characterize the program is a matter of dispute. The U.S. over three presidents has debated whether to provide military assistance to Ukraine, and how much, with discussions often focusing on whether that help is offensive or defensive in character.

U.S. officials deny that the CIA training program is, or was ever, offensively oriented. “The purpose of the training, and the training that was delivered, was to assist in the collection of intelligence,” said a current senior intelligence official.

But just what intelligence support entails, in the paramilitary context, can be ambiguous. And how this training will be applied by the Ukrainians may change rapidly with facts on the ground.

The program has involved “very specific training on skills that would enhance” the Ukrainians’ “ability to push back against the Russians,” said the former senior intelligence official.

The training, which has included “tactical stuff,” is “going to start looking pretty offensive if Russians invade Ukraine,” said the former official.

One person familiar with the program put it more bluntly. “The United States is training an insurgency,” said a former CIA official, adding that the program has taught the Ukrainians how “to kill Russians.”

The program, which does not appear to have ever been formally aimed at preparing for an insurgency, did include training that could be used for that purpose. Another former agency official described technical aspects of the program, like showing Ukrainians how to maintain secure communications behind enemy lines or in a “hostile intelligence environment” as potential “stay-behind force training.”

The current senior intelligence official strongly denied that the program was designed in any way “to assist in an insurgency.”

“Suggestions that we have trained an armed insurgency in Ukraine are simply false,” said Tammy Thorp, a CIA spokesperson.

Going back decades, the CIA has provided limited training to Ukrainian intelligence units to try and shore up an independent Kyiv and prevent Russian subversion, but cooperation “ramped up” after the Crimea invasion, said a former CIA executive.

The CIA paramilitaries in Ukraine have “a very small footprint,” said the former agency executive, and are helping train Ukrainian forces in “potential critical nodes the Russians may focus on” if Moscow seeks to push farther into the country.

Though the agency’s paramilitary resources have been otherwise stretched thin in Afghanistan and on other counterterrorism missions, the U.S.-based training program has been a “high priority” for the CIA since its Obama-era inception, said the former senior intelligence official.

The program did not require, or receive, a new presidential finding, which is used to authorize covert action, and has been run under previously existing authorities, according to former officials.

The Trump administration — partially at the urging of Congress — later expanded funding for the initiative, increasing the number of Ukrainian cohorts brought over yearly to the U.S., according to former officials.

Training forces that could take part in an insurgency is not the same as actively supporting an insurgency if one takes place following a Russian invasion. The Biden administration has reportedly assembled a task force to determine how the CIA and other U.S. agencies could support a Ukrainian insurgency, should Russia launch a large-scale incursion.

“If the Russians invade, those [graduates of the CIA programs] are going to be your militia, your insurgent leaders,” said the former senior intelligence official. “We’ve been training these guys now for eight years. They’re really good fighters. That’s where the agency’s program could have a serious impact.”

Over the years, the CIA training programs have been “very effective,” said the former CIA executive.

It has helped “turn the tide,” said the first former CIA official, who said he or she was briefed that “gains were being made on the battlefield” as a “direct result” of the program.

Both U.S. and Ukrainian officials believe that Ukrainian forces will not be able to withstand a large-scale Russian incursion, according to former U.S. officials. But representatives from both countries also believe that Russia won’t be able to hold on to new territory indefinitely because of stiff resistance from Ukrainian insurgents, according to former officials.

Working so closely with the Ukrainians has presented unique challenges, according to former officials. For years, U.S. officials have believed that, because of Russia’s web of spies within Ukraine’s intelligence services, the program has very likely been compromised by Moscow.

Senior Trump administration officials discussed worries about Russian penetration of the program with their Ukrainian counterparts, according to a former national security official. The Ukrainians, well aware of the issue, have tried to vet the U.S.-bound trainees to weed out moles, according to former officials.

Still, Trump-era National Security Council officials established a rule not to tell the Ukrainians anything they weren’t comfortable with the Russians subsequently learning about, recalled the former national security official.

A small number of trainees in the earlier U.S.-based cohorts were sent back to Ukraine for breaking security rules, like possessing unauthorized electronic devices, according to the first former CIA official.

CIA officials also believed their trainees were being targeted by the Russians once they returned to Ukraine. “Russians and traitorous Russian loyalists within the Ukrainian security services were seeking out graduates of those classes to assassinate,” said the former CIA official.

Russian penetration of Ukrainian intelligence has been a long-standing problem for the CIA, according to former intelligence officials. For decades, the agency has tried to work only with special select Ukrainian units — some created at the agency’s insistence — that have been isolated from the rest of the country’s intelligence services in order to prevent Russian compromise, according to former officials.

Even though the CIA assumes some Russian compromise when working with the Ukrainians, the agency still believes the training program has been, on balance, highly valuable, according to former officials.

If the Russians launch a new invasion, “there’s going to be people who make their life miserable,” said the former senior intelligence official. The CIA-trained paramilitaries “will organize the resistance” using the specialized training they’ve received.

“All that stuff that happened to us in Afghanistan,” said the former senior intelligence official, “they can expect to see that in spades with these guys.”

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 12:50 schreef Dutch_view het volgende:
Wel een interessant interview net in Buitenhof met Jaap de Hoop Scheffer.
Putin spreekt blijkbaar wel redelijk goed Engels.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 14:51 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Hij spreekt en verstaat zelfs prima Duits, net als Merkel dat met Russisch had.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 14:56 schreef KingRadler het volgende:

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Ik mis Merkel in deze situatie met Rusland.
Europa heeft niet echt iemand die op staat.
Voor Biden is Putin totaal niet bang.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 11:53 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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Zijn dood is een hoax om het volk om de tuin te leiden.

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Op zondag 23 januari 2022 12:35 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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Je doet weer hetzelfde.
Heb je hier bewijs voor?