quote:Formal start of final phase of Afghan pullout by US, NATO
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — The final phase of ending America’s “forever war” in Afghanistan after 20 years formally began Saturday, with the withdrawal of the last U.S. and NATO troops by the end of summer.
President Joe Biden had set May 1 as the official start of the withdrawal of the remaining forces — about 2,500-3,500 U.S. troops and about 7,000 NATO soldiers.
Even before Saturday, the herculean task of packing up had begun.
The military has been taking inventory, deciding what is shipped back to the U.S., what is handed to the Afghan security forces and what is sold as junk in Afghanistan’s markets. In recent weeks, the military has been flying out equipment on massive C-17 cargo planes.
The U.S. is estimated to have spent more than $2 trillion in Afghanistan in the past two decades, according to the Costs of War project at Brown University, which documents the hidden costs of the U.S. military engagement.
Defense department officials and diplomats told The Associated Press the withdrawal has involved closing smaller bases over the last year. They said that since Biden announced the end-of-summer withdrawal date in mid-April, only roughly 60 military personnel had left the country.
The U.S. and its NATO allies went into Afghanistan together on Oct. 7, 2001 to hunt the al-Qaida perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attacks who lived under the protection of the country’s Taliban rulers. Two months later, the Taliban had been defeated and al-Qaida fighters and their leader, Osama bin Laden, were on the run.
In his withdrawal announcement last month, Biden said the initial mission was accomplished a decade ago when U.S. Navy SEALS killed bin Laden in his hideout in neighboring Pakistan. Since then, al-Qaida has been degraded, while the terrorist threat has “metastasized” into a global phenomenon that is not contained by keeping thousands of troops in one country, he said.
Until now the U.S. and NATO have received no promises from the Taliban that they won’t attack troops during the pullout. In a response to AP questions, Taliban spokesman Suhail Shaheen said the Taliban leadership was still mulling over its strategy.
The insurgent group continues to accuse Washington of breaching the deal it signed with Biden’s predecessor more than a year ago. In that agreement, the U.S. said it would have all troops out by May 1.
In a statement Saturday, Taliban military spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said the passing of the May 1 deadline for a complete withdrawal “opened the way for (Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan) mujahidin to take every counteraction it deems appropriate against the occupying forces.”
However, he said fighters on the battlefield will wait for a decision from the leadership before launching any attacks and that decision will be based on “the sovereignty, values and higher interests of the country.”
Violence has spiked in Afghanistan since the February 2020 deal was signed. Peace talks between the Taliban and Afghan government, which were part of the agreement, quickly bogged down. On Friday, a truck bomb in eastern Logar province killed 21 people, many of them police and students.
Afghans have paid the highest price since 2001, with 47,245 civilians killed, according to the Costs of War project. Millions more have been displaced inside Afghanistan or have fled to Pakistan, Iran and Europe.
Afghanistan’s security forces are expected to come under increasing pressure from the Taliban after the withdrawal if no peace agreement is reached in the interim, according to Afghan watchers.
Since the start of the war they have taken heavy losses, with estimates ranging from 66,000 to 69,000 Afghan troops killed. The Afghan military has been battered by corruption. The U.S. and NATO pay $4 billion a year to sustain the force.
Some 300,000 Afghan troops are on the books, although the actual number is believed to be lower. Commanders have been found to inflate the numbers to collect paychecks of so-called “ghost soldiers,” according to the U.S. watchdog monitoring Washington’s spending in Afghanistan.
Last year was the only year U.S. and NATO troops did not suffer a loss. The Defense Department says 2,442 U.S. troops have been killed and 20,666 wounded since 2001. It is estimated that over 3,800 U.S. private security contractors have been killed. The Pentagon does not track their deaths.
The conflict also has killed 1,144 personnel from NATO countries.
The Taliban, meanwhile, are at their strongest since being ousted in 2001. While mapping their gains and territorial holds is difficult, they are believed to hold sway or outright control over nearly half of Afghanistan.
“We are telling the departing Americans ... you fought a meaningless war and paid a cost for that and we also offered huge sacrifices for our liberation,” Shaheen told the AP on Friday.
Striking a more conciliatory tone, he added: “If you ... open a new chapter of helping Afghans in reconstruction and rehabilitation of the country, the Afghans will appreciate that.”
In announcing the departure, Biden said waiting for ideal conditions to leave would consign America to an indefinite stay.
In the Afghan capital and throughout the country, there is a growing fear that chaos will follow the departure of the last foreign troops. After billions of dollars and decades of war, many Afghans wonder at whether it was worth it.
Ja, en je denkt dat ISIS-K dacht van "laten we na deze aanslag maar even wachten tot ze echt weg zijn" en nu denkt van "potverdikkie, laten we dan toch nog maar nu wel wat doen"? Of hoe werkt deze logica?quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 11:38 schreef Rambolin het volgende:
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Omdat er nog Amerikaanse doelwitten rondlopen in het land.
Een homo verkrachten is niet gay?quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 13:11 schreef Kantjeboordd het volgende:
Einde is gekomen voor homo's en homo activisten in Afganistan.
Afghanistan: Gay man in Kabul 'raped and beaten' by Taliban after being tricked into meeting
"Two people raped him, they beat him, and then demanded his father's number so they could tell him his son was gay."
In Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, this is the reality for LGBT+ people living in the country.
https://www.itv.com/news/(...)ped-him-and-beat-him
Dit is wel echt niveau Speld hoor. Iemand verkrachten omdat hij homo is, zouden ze hun eigen vaders ook meteen gebeld hebben?quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 13:11 schreef Kantjeboordd het volgende:
Einde is gekomen voor homo's en homo activisten in Afganistan.
Afghanistan: Gay man in Kabul 'raped and beaten' by Taliban after being tricked into meeting
"Two people raped him, they beat him, and then demanded his father's number so they could tell him his son was gay."
In Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, this is the reality for LGBT+ people living in the country.
https://www.itv.com/news/(...)ped-him-and-beat-him
quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 13:15 schreef kanovinnie het volgende:
Een homo verkrachten is niet gay?
Waarschijnlijk gaat dit om zo'n verkrachtingquote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 13:29 schreef MichaelScott het volgende:
Dit is wel echt niveau Speld hoor. Iemand verkrachten omdat hij homo is, zouden ze hun eigen vaders ook meteen gebeld hebben?
Je bent alleen homo als je jezelf ontvangt. Dus als jij in de gevangenis iemand verkracht is dat niet gay.quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 13:15 schreef kanovinnie het volgende:
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Een homo verkrachten is niet gay?
Waar haal je dit soort onzin vandaanquote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 13:37 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:
Je bent alleen homo als je jezelf ontvangt. Dus als jij in de gevangenis iemand verkracht is dat niet gay.
Taliban mag het wel weer verbannen!quote:Bacha bāzī (Persian: بچه بازی, lit. "boy play";[1] from بچه bacheh, "boy", and بازی bazi "play, game") is a slang term in some parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan[2][3] for a custom created in Afghanistan involving child sexual abuse between older men and young adolescent males or boys, who are called dancing boys. The custom is connected to sexual slavery and child prostitution.[4] In the 21st century, Bacha bazi is practiced in various parts of Afghanistan and Northwestern Pakistan.[5][6][3] Force and coercion are common, and security officials state they are unable to end such practices and that many of the men involved in bacha bazi-related activities are powerful and well-armed warlords.[7][8][9]
During the Afghan Civil War (1996–2001), bacha bazi carried the death penalty under Taliban law.[10] Under the post-Taliban government, the practice of dancing boys was illegal under Afghan law, but the laws were seldom enforced against powerful offenders and police had reportedly been complicit in related crimes.[11][12] Despite international concern and its illegality, the practice continued under the post-Taliban government.[13][14]
A controversy arose after allegations surfaced that U.S. government forces in Afghanistan after the invasion of the country deliberately ignored bacha bazi.[15] The U.S. military responded by claiming the abuse was largely the responsibility of the "local Afghan government".[16]
Bacha bazi is a centuries-old practice.[13] One of the original factors mobilizing the rise of the Taliban was their opposition to the practice.[6] After the Taliban came to power in 1996, bacha bazi was banned along with homosexuality. The Taliban considered it incompatible with Sharia law.[17] Both bacha bazi and homosexuality carried the death penalty,[10] with the boys sometimes being charged rather than the perpetrators.[17] Often, boys are selected because they are poor and vulnerable.[5] Men who have been bacha boys face social stigma and struggle with the psychological effects of their abuse.[13]
Absoluut.quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 13:43 schreef Momo het volgende:
Is dat weer een wijsheid uit een oud sprookjesboek? Twee mannen zullen geen seks met elkaar hebben, behalve als jij als man een andere man verkracht, dan is alleen hij gay
Bondgenoten van Nederlandquote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 13:47 schreef epicbeardman het volgende:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
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Taliban mag het wel weer verbannen!
Bijzonder dat hier geen enkele aandacht voor is in de Westerse media. Ik vind 170 doden bij een bomaanslag ook wel extreem veel.quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 12:46 schreef Rambolin het volgende:
Amerikaanse en Turkse soldaten zouden ook heel wat mensen hebben doodgeschoten na de aanslag
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quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 14:04 schreef Confetti het volgende:
Bijzonder dat hier geen enkele aandacht voor is in de Westerse media. Ik vind 170 doden bij een bomaanslag ook wel extreem veel.
Ik lees ook nergens echt details over de aanslag en hoe mensen zijn gestorven. Ik vermoed dat de bronnen uit het Amerikaanse leger is opgedragen hun mond te houden omwille van 'national security'.
Op zich niet vreemd dat de Amerikaanse militairen het vuur hebben geopend nadat de bom ontplofte, wie weet stonden er nog meer IS'ers in die menigte.quote:
Lijkt mij ook een waarschijnlijk scenario. 170 doden met een bomb vest lijkt haast onmogelijk, dat verwacht je eerder van een bomauto. Dat men lang dacht dat er twee explosies geweest waren geeft ook aan wat een chaos het was...quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 14:04 schreef Confetti het volgende:
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Bijzonder dat hier geen enkele aandacht voor is in de Westerse media. Ik vind 170 doden bij een bomaanslag ook wel extreem veel.
Ik lees ook nergens echt details over de aanslag en hoe mensen zijn gestorven. Ik vermoed dat de bronnen uit het Amerikaanse leger is opgedragen hun mond te houden omwille van 'national security'.
Er stonden tientallen bebaarde mannen met wapens, namelijk de Taliban-bondgenoten van Amerika.quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 14:47 schreef Viv het volgende:
Op zich niet vreemd dat de Amerikaanse militairen het vuur hebben geopend nadat de bom ontplofte, wie weet stonden er nog meer IS'ers in die menigte.
Bij nader inzien was dit waarschijnlijk precies waar IS het om deed, want nu zijn de Amerikanen weer de hufters die onschuldige Afghanen vermoord hebben.quote:Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2021 14:47 schreef Viv het volgende:
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Op zich niet vreemd dat de Amerikaanse militairen het vuur hebben geopend nadat de bom ontplofte, wie weet stonden er nog meer IS'ers in die menigte.
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