Studie: Herstelde COVID-patiënten hebben geen baat bij vaccin

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Natural immunity to covid is powerful. Policymakers seem afraid to say so.

People making decisions about their health deserve honesty from their leaders.

It’s okay to have an incorrect scientific hypothesis. But when new data proves it wrong, you have to adapt. Unfortunately, many elected leaders and public health officials have held on far too long to the hypothesis that natural immunity offers unreliable protection against covid-19 — a contention that is being rapidly debunked by science.

More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated. This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which none who had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.

So, the emerging science suggests that natural immunity is as good as or better than vaccine-induced immunity. That’s why it’s so frustrating that the Biden administration has repeatedly argued that immunity conferred by vaccines is preferable to immunity caused by natural infection, as NIH director Francis Collins told Fox News host told Bret Baier a few weeks ago. That rigid adherence to an outdated theory is also reflected in President Biden’s recent announcement that large companies must require their employees to get vaccinated or submit to regular testing, regardless of whether they previously had the virus.

Downplaying the power of natural immunity has had deadly consequences. In January, February and March, we wasted scarce vaccine doses on millions of people who previously had covid. If we had asked Americans who were already protected by natural immunity to step aside in the vaccine line, tens of thousands of lives could have been saved. This is not just in hindsight is 20/20; many of us were vehemently arguing and writing at the time for such a rationing strategy.

One reason public health officials may be afraid to acknowledge the effectiveness of natural immunity is that they fear it will lead some to choose getting the infection over vaccination. That’s a legitimate concern. But we can encourage all Americans to get vaccinated while still being honest about the data. In my clinical experience, I have found patients to be extremely forgiving with evolving data if you are honest and transparent with them. Yet, when asked the common question, “I’ve recovered from covid, is it absolutely essential that I get vaccinated?” many public health officials have put aside the data and responded with a synchronized “yes,” even as studies have shown that reinfections are rare and often asymptomatic or mild when they do occur.

The tide may finally be shifting, as pressure has grown on federal officials. Last week on CNN, Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease specialist, hinted that the government may be rethinking its stance on natural immunity, saying, “I think that is something that we need to sit down and discuss seriously.” Some large medical centers, like Spectrum Health in Grand Rapids, Mich., have already announced they will recognize natural immunity for their vaccine requirements. Some Republican governors have picked up on public frustration over how the scientific guidance is inconsistent with the data, with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis accusing the Biden administration of “not following science” by crafting its vaccine mandate without taking into consideration “infection-conferred immunity.”

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[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Probably_on_pcp op 17-09-2021 21:01:15 ]

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Op vrijdag 17 september 2021 15:44 schreef Isdatzo het volgende:

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TS negeert elke reactie, om vervolgens stoïcijns door te blijven gaan met de cherry picked onderzoeken en nieuwsberichten posten die in zijn straatje passen. Bijzonder vermoeiend allemaal.

Ik negeer de reacties van een bepaald groepje mensen zoals dat in veel FB topics in verschillende subfora wordt geadviseerd.

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Op vrijdag 17 september 2021 21:10 schreef EttovanBelgie het volgende:

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Dat begrijp ik.

Want op een gegronde opmerking als "dan moet je de eerste besmetting wel overleven" is tot op heden nog nooit een fatsoenlijk antwoord gekomen.

Ja want de overlevingskans is zo ontzettend klein:

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Op vrijdag 17 september 2021 21:26 schreef EttovanBelgie het volgende:

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Precies, die 'paar' die toch kapot gaan... ach... who cares. Of, hoe zij een andere immuniteitsgoeroe het ook weer? Als je covid niet overleeft ben je oud of zorg je niet goed voor jezelf. Dus soit.

Waarom altijd weer die sprong naar het extreme Etto? "Immuniteitsgoeroe"... serieus? In onder andere Israel is serieus onderzoek gedaan hiernaar.

Van mij mogen mensen zich vaccineren en als de wereld gewoon op een normale manier met vaccinatie om zou gaan, zoals we dat bijv. doen met de griepprik, dan zou ik niet eens weer actief zijn geworden op dit forum. Maar als mensen gaan doen alsof vaccinatie de enige juiste keuze is en er wordt druk uitgevoerd op mensen die geen vaccin willen, terwijl natuurlijke immuniteit nogal onbesproken blijft, dan laat ik me horen.

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Op vrijdag 17 september 2021 21:49 schreef TheFreshPrince het volgende:

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Het gaat niet zozeer om het aantal doden maar om de belasting van de zorg.

Niet volgens Etto blijkbaar.

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Inmiddels moeten we dat overigens redelijk aankunnen, aangezien 80% gevaccineerd is.

En het is fijn dat mensen die corona hebben gehad beter beschermd zijn tegen corona.
Maar daarvoor moesten ze wel eerst corona oplopen.

Je beseft inmiddels al een keer dat je eerst corona moet krijgen om die afweer op te bouwen?

We moeten het inderdaad aankunnen ja. Velen gevaccineerd en nog een deel met immuniteit na besmetting. We moeten gewoon weer normaal kunnen doen nu.

Natural immunity emerges as potential legal challenge to federal COVID-19 vaccination mandates

The argument that natural immunity against COVID-19 is an alternative to vaccination is emerging as a potential legal challenge to federally mandated vaccination policies.

Vaccination is already required for certain workers and some college students. The federal government, despite steeper legal hurdles to imposing vaccination, has also invoked the U.S. Department of Labor to mandate inoculation for health care workers and is expected to roll out a larger policy effectively mandating vaccination for a majority of U.S. workers.

The stated goal behind mandatory vaccination policies is to protect against the spread of disease, meaning that the crux of any policy is immunity. The notion that a previous COVID-19 infection provides natural immunity that can be at least as good as vaccination in some people is something a judge would likely need to consider in a challenge to a mandatory policy, especially against a government actor.

“I think that a judge might reject a rule that's been issued by a body, like the U.S. Department of Labor or by a state, that has not been sufficiently thought through as it relates to the science,” Erik Eisenmann, a labor and employment attorney with Husch Blackwell, told Yahoo Finance.

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Natuurlijke immuniteit, daar mag niet over gesproken worden! Nee, dan val je in de categorie van "Flat-Earthers" volgens sommigen. En dat terwijl onderzoek duidelijk laat zien dat natuurlijke immuniteit wel degelijk bestaat en minstens net zo goed beschermd als een vaccin.

Maar waarom wordt natuurlijke immuniteit zo weinig besproken door met name beleidsmakers?