[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #898 Giuliani smelt

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Trump’s lawyers have lots of affidavits. That doesn’t mean as much as it seems.

At their news conference Thursday, President Trump’s lawyers implored reporters to take their thus-far-baseless allegations of massive voter fraud more seriously. And in the course of doing so, they repeatedly referred to the hundreds of affidavits they had assembled as genuine evidence of fraud.

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The Trump campaign has repeatedly cited the hundreds of sworn affidavits it has assembled. It has even shown stacks of them to illustrate the supposed heft of its legal case. Many of them are not available because they haven’t been filed in actual lawsuits or made available publicly. (Giuliani cited the alleged targeting of their authors for keeping them obscured.)

But among the witnesses who have had their allegations aired in court, many have been dismissed by judges as inadmissible or not credible. One particularly high-profile one alleged many precincts in Michigan had more votes than actual voters, but shortly after Giuliani et al. raised the issue Thursday — alongside their pleas to take the affidavits seriously — it fell apart.

As the Trump campaign will remind you, these are sworn statements. But according to legal experts, the jeopardy faced by those behind them is relatively minimal.

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A key issue is whether the affidavit is filed in court, as most filed by the Trump team haven’t been. Beyond that, any false statements would need to be deemed to be “material” to the proceedings — i.e. relevant to the actual claims. And from there, any legal jeopardy would require that the statements made were knowingly false.

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Other witnesses signed affidavits that said, “I believe my vote for Donald J. Trump and Michael Pence was not counted.” But when pressed by judges, they admitted they didn’t have any actual evidence to support that.

A similar thing happened in Chatham County, Ga., where the GOP called two witnesses as part of its allegation that 53 ballots received after Election Day were predated to make them appear valid. But under questioning, the witnesses acknowledged they didn’t know whether the ballots were actually received after the deadline, while witnesses for the local elections board testified under oath that they were received on time.

Another issue is just what the affidavits allege. Many filed by the Trump campaign don’t actually allege wrongdoing, but rather refer to alleged issues in the vote-counting process.

In another case, the Trump campaign’s affidavit was described by a judge as being “rife with speculation and guesswork about sinister motives.” The judge said the allegations were “not credible” and found that the people behind them were simply unfamiliar with how the ballot-counting process was conducted in Detroit.

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Op zaterdag 21 november 2020 19:26 schreef Felixa het volgende:
Net op CNN: de twee republikeinen die gisteren in het Witte Huis waren, hebben vannacht overnacht in het Trump Hotel en de republikeinse partij in Michigan wil nu de certificatie die maandag zou plaatsvinden, twee weken uitstellen vanwege een audit in Wayne County die ze willen uitvoeren.

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Op zaterdag 21 november 2020 19:26 schreef Felixa het volgende:
Net op CNN: de twee republikeinen die gisteren in het Witte Huis waren, hebben vannacht overnacht in het Trump Hotel en de republikeinse partij in Michigan wil nu de certificatie die maandag zou plaatsvinden, twee weken uitstellen vanwege een audit in Wayne County die ze willen uitvoeren.

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Op zaterdag 21 november 2020 20:19 schreef speknek het volgende:

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Het is leuk om dingen te willen maar de audit kan pas na certificatie.

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Op zaterdag 21 november 2020 20:46 schreef SnertMetChoco het volgende:

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Hoezo dat dan? In Georgia deden ze dat andersom.

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Op zaterdag 21 november 2020 20:59 schreef speknek het volgende:

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Geen idee, misschien heeft het te maken met recount marges.

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Republican leaders ask Michigan election board to delay certification of results, in latest GOP effort to cast doubt on the vote

The heads of the Republican National Committee and Michigan Republican Party issued a joint statement Saturday calling for Michigan’s state canvassing board to delay certification of the results of the election, marking the latest attempt by party leaders to intervene in the state’s electoral process.

In the letter — signed by RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, who is from Michigan, and state GOP Chair Laura Cox — the officials ask the canvassing board to adjourn for 14 days and allow for a “full audit and investigation” before they convene to certify the state’s election results, a procedural step that is set to take place on Monday afternoon.

“This board faces a stark choice,” the letter reads, citing claims of “numerical anomalies” and “procedural irregularities” that they say would leave “the distrust and sense of procedural disenfranchisement felt by many Michigan voters to fester for years” if ignored by the board.

In a tweet Friday, before the letter’s release, Michigan’s Democratic secretary of state suggested such an audit would not be allowed under state law. Michigan law does not allow for the necessary records to be released until after the state certifies the results.

“Not sure who needs to hear this, but under state law (MCL 168.31a) audits can only be conducted after the State Canvassers certify the election,” Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson wrote. “This is [because] election officials do not have legal access to the documents needed to complete audits until the certification.”

Still, the demand increases the pressure on the two Republican members of the four-member state Board of Canvassers, whose actions Monday could slow down the process of finalizing election results in the battleground state.

President-elect Joe Biden leads the state by about 150,000 votes. In an interview this week, Norman Shinkle, one of the Republicans on the state canvassing board, said that although he expected Biden to win the election, he may suggest a delay to allow for an audit of the state’s ballots amid unfounded allegations by the president and his allies of widespread fraud.

Republican members of the state legislature declared Friday after a White House meeting that they had learned nothing to warrant reversing the outcome in their state.

On Saturday morning, Detroit News reporter Melissa Nann Burke wrote on Twitter that she had seen four of the Republicans — state Sens. Mike Shirkey, Dan Lauwers, Aric Nesbitt and Tom Barrett — leaving Trump’s downtown Washington hotel. Burke also posted a photo, which she said was provided by a source, showing Michigan House Speaker Lee Chatfield (R) having drinks in the hotel’s lobby.

The lawmakers used their own personal funds for the gathering, said Gideon D’Assandro, spokesman for Chatfield.

The Trump hotel — a popular Republican hangout — is expensive, even during the pandemic: on Saturday, the hotel’s website said the lowest available rate for that night was $476.

McDaniel and Cox’s demand for scrutiny is entirely focused on the election results in Wayne County, Michigan’s largest and most Democratic county, which includes Detroit.

Wayne County officials have noted discrepancies in the vote count in a number of precincts. But they said the size of the errors was small — a difference of one or two votes per precinct, affecting a total of about 450 votes.

The GOP leaders said they “echo” the concerns voiced by failed Republican U.S. Senate candidate John James this week, citing a letter filed yesterday by his campaign that made claims of irregularities in Wayne County’s elections. Cox and McDaniel called the accusations made by the James campaign “deeply concerning.”

“In light of the already unprecedented nature of this election — conducted largely by mail in the midst of an ongoing pandemic,” they wrote. “It would be a grievous dereliction of this Board’s duty to the people of Michigan not to ensure that the irregularities identified by the James Campaign are thoroughly investigated by a full audit before certifying Wayne County’s results.”

Attempting to offer reassurance that this was not an attempt to indefinitely block the state’s process of selecting electors for Biden, they wrote that “neither that adjournment nor the audit of Wayne County’s results would impermissibly delay certification of the election results beyond the statutory deadline of December 7, 2020.”

Earlier this week, Benson reminded Michigan that her office had already intended to conduct an audit of the election and has been preparing to do so for the past two years, noting that this would be a typical post-election procedure and was not being done in response to disproven or unfounded claims of election fraud.

“Throughout my tenure as Michigan Secretary of State, and indeed long before, I have spoken repeatedly on the importance of post-election audits to ensure Michiganders can trust the outcome of our elections as an accurate reflection of the will of the people,” she said in the statement. “Notably, audits are neither designed to address nor performed in response to false or mythical allegations of ‘irregularities’ that have no basis in fact.”

According to Michigan election law, the secretary of state “authorize the release of all ballots, ballot boxes, voting machines, and equipment after 30 days following certification of an election by the board of state canvassers” in the event that a recount petition has been filed or a court has issued an order “restraining interference” with these materials.

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Op zaterdag 21 november 2020 21:53 schreef speknek het volgende:
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WaT kUn Je tEgEn HEbbeN oP eEN eerLijKe hErtElLiNG

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Op zaterdag 21 november 2020 22:35 schreef KareldeStoute het volgende:

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Drie stuks is een mooi beginnetje van bewijs voor massale fraude.

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Op zaterdag 21 november 2020 21:51 schreef Montov het volgende:
Die golfballen gaan niet vanzelf in de hole.
Ik denk dat het voor iedereen goed is als Trump alleen nog maar gaat golfen..

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Op zaterdag 21 november 2020 21:53 schreef speknek het volgende:
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WaT kUn Je tEgEn HEbbeN oP eEN eerLijKe hErtElLiNG

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 10:21 schreef klappernootopreis het volgende:
Ondertussen proberen trollen via social media diensten als Parler de republikeinen te overtuigen dat ze niet moeten komen opdagen bij de verkiezingen voor de laatste twee senator in januari.

Dan ga je met opgeheven hoofd en trots samen met Trump de afgrond in. Als een echte lemming.

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 02:58 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Ah de SC gaat Donnie redden of zo?

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 03:14 schreef AnneX het volgende:
https://www.theguardian.c(...)eam?CMP=share_btn_tw

Historische terugblik op vorige transitie.
Quote:” Only on inauguration day did they flood into the building, but the people who showed up had no idea why they were there or what they were meant to do. Trump sent, among others, a long-haul truck driver, a telephone company clerk, a gas company meter reader, a country club cabana attendant, a Republican National Committee intern and the owner of a scented candle company. One of the CVs listed the new appointee’s only skill as “a pleasant demeanor”....

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 10:29 schreef Leandra het volgende:

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"Obama appointed judge" alleen het stukje "long time member of the republican party" zijn ze vergeten...

De man had zelfs zitting in allerlei clubjes van de republikeinse partij

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 11:38 schreef SnertMetChoco het volgende:
Deze was nog niet voorbij gekomen zag ik, nu de 2e of 3e Republikeinse Senator die openlijk de overwinning van Biden accepteert?

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 12:22 schreef _-_ratjetoe_-_ het volgende:

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Vrij atypische republikein zo te lezen als hij wat tegen Corona wil doen, handelsbarrières wil slechten en wapenbezit wil reguleren

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 12:17 schreef Leandra het volgende:
De laatste zinnen zijn wel belangrijk: hij heeft best eea gedaan maar dat zal niet onthouden worden als hij de president wordt die zijn verlies niet wilde erkennen, dan zal hij onthouden worden als de president die een staatsgreep wilde plegen, en al het andere zal vergeten worden.

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 15:17 schreef AnneX het volgende:
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Liegbeest. Fake news. What else is new.

@:la_perle_rouge: lijkt ook wel wijs inderdaad.
Verbaal blijven de laatste zinnen ‘hangen’. Inet is different cook.

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Donald Trump has taken his campaign to deny the results of the US presidential election global, telling leaders at the G20 summit he’s looking forward to going on working with them.

The gathering of leaders of major world economies is being held online this year, but could have been an occasion for Trump to bid his peers goodbye and pledge American support in the battle against Covid-19. Instead, according to audio of his comments obtained by the Observer, he said: “It’s been a great honour to work with you, and I look forward to working with you again for a long time.”

He went on to boast about the US economy and military, and repeated false claims that his government’s Operation Warp Speed was behind both the first two successful coronavirus vaccines. Warp Speed provided funding for development of the vaccine produced by Moderna, but not the Pfizer vaccine, which was developed without US government help.

It was in stark contrast to comments from other leaders, which focused on the pandemic. One source said: “His was the anomalous speech. Everyone else talked about global matters of life and death.”

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 16:22 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Nog maar weer eens een bevestiging dat Biden zich niet gaat bemoeien met eventuele onderzoeken naar Trump & Co na 20 januari:

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 16:22 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Nog maar weer eens een bevestiging dat Biden zich niet gaat bemoeien met eventuele onderzoeken naar Trump & Co na 20 januari:

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 16:57 schreef Monolith het volgende:

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Daarom zou Clinton als AG hilarisch zijn.

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Op zondag 22 november 2020 16:59 schreef PippenScottie het volgende:

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Merrick Garland wordt genoemd.