[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #644 Epstein time

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 19:16 schreef Barbusse het volgende:

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Dat is niet wat er staat. En waterdicht... Je weigert gewoon stapels verklaringen te geloven van mensen die er geweest zijn. Zelfs mensen van DHS geven in een verklaring aan congres onder ede aan dat tandenborstels ed geen basisrecht zijn. We hebben het hier niet over een 'he said, she said' he.

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 19:31 schreef Barbusse het volgende:

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het bewijs zelfst.naamw.
Uitspraak: [bə'wɛis]
Verbuigingen: be|wijzen (meerv.)

1) feit of redenering waaruit blijkt dat iets waar of juist is
Voorbeelden: `bewijs voor fraude`,
`onvoldoende bewijs tegen de verdachte hebben`,
`een bewijs van vriendschap`

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 19:33 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Inderdaad: 'waaruit blijft dat iets waar is'.

Hoe kun je getuigenverklaringen daar onder classificeren? getuigen kunnen toch zaken verzinnen?

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 19:37 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Hoe ga jij dan om met een term als “onvoldoende bewijs”? In jouw beleving betekent dat hetzelfde als geen bewijs?

Of bijvoorbeeld “aanvullend bewijs” is geen bewijs als het hele plaatje niet er toe leidt dat jij iets als bewezen acht?

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 19:40 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Het gaat er niet om wat 'ik vind', maar om wat genoeg is om daadwerkelijk iemand bijvoorbeeld achter de tralies te zetten.

Lijkt mij vrij dubieus als dat enkel op getuigenverklaren wordt gebaseerd.

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 19:39 schreef Barbusse het volgende:

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Beelden vallen ook te manipuleren. En ik heb het gevoel dat je daarmee aan gaat komen als er beelden zijn. Idem voor audio.

Dus ga maar lekker de ongelovige Thomas uithangen als je dat wilt hoor. Ben wel klaar met je kinderachtige gedrag

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 18:50 schreef Re het volgende:
Linkjes op reddit, mooi overzicht

https://www.reddit.com/r/(...)e&utm_medium=ios_app


In case you were wondering Mr. Acosta was serving as the United States attorney for the Southern District of Florida when he intervened to defend Epstein against these charges and brokered a sweetheart deal. His position in the trump admin is nothing but an embarrassment to this country and reeks of suspicion with Donald's ties to Epstein, see below.

“Jane Doe” alleges Donald Trump sexually assaulted her on four separate occasions, culminating in a rape when she was just 13 at Jeffrey Epstein’s mansion.

Her evidence? Three sworn declarations – from her, a friend she confided in at the time, AND one of Epstein’s recruiters.

This case was filed in New York federal court in 2016. You can read her pleading here The case was NOT dismissed. Jane withdrew her complaint on November 4, 2016, saying she was “afraid to show her face” due to “numerous threats” against her.

Jane came to New York in June 1994 “in the hope of starting a modeling career.” She soon met "Tiffany," who offered to bring her to parties where she could meet folks in the business - hosted by Epstein.

This is eerily similar to tales of recruiters in MiamiHerald's reporting.

Jane claims Trump had “sexual contact" with her at four parties she attended that summer. She understood both Trump and Epstein "knew that [she] was 13 years old.”

The fourth time, she says "Trump tied me to a bed, exposed himself to me, and then proceeded to forcibly rape me."

Jane claims a 12-year-old named Maria was forced to be involved in the third encounter. She never saw Maria again after that.

Following the rape, Jane says Trump threatened to hurt her and her family if she ever told anyone. He suggested he could make her “disappear like Maria.”

Jane is not the only witness offered in this filing. A woman using the pseudonym “Joan Doe” attests that she is willing to testify that Jane told her about the sexual encounters with Trump and Epstein “in the 1994-95 school year.”

Here is her sworn declaration

Jane also filed a sworn declaration from Tiffany, who says Epstein employed her starting in 1991 “to get attractive adolescent women to attend these parties.” Tiffany corroborates Jane’s story and claims to have “personally witnessed” the four encounters between Jane and Trump.

Tiffany also claims she personally witnessed the “one occasion where Mr. Trump forced [Jane] and a 12-year-old female named Maria [to] perform oral sex” on him. She also claims to have witnessed Trump’s later threats against Jane.

Tiffany says she worked for Epstein until 2000.

Trump admits to a close friendship with Epstein. He told New York magazine in 2002:

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy...it is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

MotherJones' description of Trump's modeling agency is eerily similar to parts of Epstein's scheme as well.

Though there is less reporting on this, Trump seems to have illegally brought girls as young as 14 to the U.S. to work uncompensated. Sounds a lot like trafficking, no?

Flash forward to 2007. Epstein is being prosecuted for “assembling a large, cult-like network of underage girls – with the help of young female recruiters.”

The prosecutor? Future Trump Labor Secretary, Alex Acosta.

Epstein’s attorney? Future Trump mouthpiece, Alan Dershowitz.

According to the MiamiHerald report this week, Acosta worked with Dershowitz to give Epstein a sweetheart deal - just 13 months in county jail.

Perhaps more egregious, Acosta "granted immunity to 'any potential co-conspirators’" in these crimes.

This unusual move not only exempts Trump from criminal prosecution for raping Jane Doe. It also protects Dershowitz.

Virginia Roberts claims Alan had sex with her "six times...the first time was when I was about 16, early on in my servitude to Epstein.’’

Ten years after Acosta coddled Epstein and gave immunity to his co-conspirators, Trump appointed Acosta Secretary of Labor.

If you recall, Acosta replaced Andrew Puzder, who was charged with serious domestic abuse.

Abusive behavior is not the exception here. It is the rule.

I have no way of verifying Jane's claims. But three sworn declarations filed in federal court ARE evidence. Congruence with details in the MiamiHerald and multiple ties to Trumps' inner circle add credibility.

At the very least, Jane must be heard. We all deserve the truth.

Here is more on Epstein that matches details in the MiamiHerald reports: being forced to give him massages, Epstein forcing digital penetration, his irritation at her protests, etc.

Listen to her voice. Listen to her story.

Here she recounts her first encounter with Trump when she was 13. Her description matches his known idiosyncrasies and germophobia:

He required her to touch him with a glove.

"He seemed to take a liking to me because I was so young...he kind of liked things to be his first."

"Donald Trump specifically asked about me because I remind him of his daughter, and she said, 'Well, she's 13 as well.'"

I know we avoid seriously discussing this because it is disturbing beyond comprehension. But we all know what Trump has said about Ivanka.

This. Adds. Up.

You can watch her full recorded testimony here It is dated February 11, 2016.

Based on all of the details we now know, her story is very credible. It is past time we confront this as a nation.

Edit: I just have to add this recent news that broke two days ago that Trump Hosted Party With Jeffrey Epstein and ‘28 Girls,’ Report Claims is a a big ass exclamation point on all of this.

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 20:06 schreef AnneX het volgende:

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“Mother is not going to like this”...https://www.politico.com/(...)ollywood-tape-227269

For what its worth. Question: does Melania like it, and does Ivanka like it...

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 18:58 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Een aanknopingspunt is geen bewijs. Je moet bewijzen dat de getuigenverklaringen valide zijn.

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 21:38 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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Er komt een betere....

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Will_Bunch twitterde op vrijdag 12-07-2019 om 16:01:38 The man replacing Acosta -- deputy labor secretary Pat Pizzella -- was a former associate of disgraced lobbyist felon Jack Abramoff who pushed for "unchecked slave labor" on N. Mariana Islands. You couldn't make this stuff up https://t.co/0mJVpndD1R reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 20:04 schreef Bernhard.von.Galen het volgende:
Underdog vindt het wel prachtig allemaal. Een beetje aanranding en andere vormen van misbruik en mishandeling moet kunnen. Dat die illegalen maar dan gauw oprotten naar hun eigen land.

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 21:38 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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Er komt een betere....

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Will_Bunch twitterde op vrijdag 12-07-2019 om 16:01:38 The man replacing Acosta -- deputy labor secretary Pat Pizzella -- was a former associate of disgraced lobbyist felon Jack Abramoff who pushed for "unchecked slave labor" on N. Mariana Islands. You couldn't make this stuff up https://t.co/0mJVpndD1R reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 21:48 schreef IkStampOpTacos het volgende:

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Ben benieuwd hoe Refrag dit gaat draaien zodat het blijkt dat dit goed is voor jan modaal

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Acosta was unfit to be a public servant | Editorial

It was never a matter of “if,” but “when” Alex Acosta would step down in the days after sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein’s arrest.

Acosta, the U.S. secretary of Labor did resign on Friday — two days after he tried to make a logical case for the lenient deal he gave Epstein — which he didn’t; six days after Epstein’s arrest in New Jersey; six months after the Herald Editorial Board said Acosta should resign; and 11 years after Acosta did little to land Epstein — alleged to have sexually molested or raped dozens of young girls, some barely in their teens, at his mansion in Palm Beach County — in prison for a long time.

He broke faith with the young victims of whom Epstein took advantage. Acosta thought so little of them that he didn’t deem it important enough to inform them that Epstein was going to jail for a ridiculously short period of time. Just this past February, a federal judge in Florida ruled Acosta’s egregious misstep illegal. Now that he has resigned as labor secretary, how will Acosta be held accountable for that arrogant lapse?

Acosta also failed the broader public, in letting a wealthy man whom he forced to register as a sexual offender to be released, free to continue his crimes if he desired, if not in Florida, then anywhere else in the world.

Even though his days as U.S. attorney in Miami are long gone, Acosta did not deserve to be a public servant.

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page88 twitterde op vrijdag 12-07-2019 om 22:33:41 So. More on the modern slave trade. Justice obstructor AG Bill Barr's dad, Donald Barr, the Dalton headmaster who unaccountably hired college dropout Coney Island hustler Jeffrey Epstein to teach underage girls, wrote a sex-slavery novel while working with Epstein. https://t.co/1vPLGQq60Z reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 19:32 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Dat begrijp ik wel. Maar het is nog steeds niet waterdicht. Ik trek pas conclusies als er waterdicht bewijs is.

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Op zaterdag 13 juli 2019 00:35 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Wat is waterdicht bewijs?

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Op zaterdag 13 juli 2019 00:35 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Wat is waterdicht bewijs?

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 19:32 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Dat begrijp ik wel. Maar het is nog steeds niet waterdicht. Ik trek pas conclusies als er waterdicht bewijs is.

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 19:54 schreef koemleit het volgende:
Dat geleuter over bewijs . getuige verslag is bewijs. En ook in Nederland kun je veroordeeld worden op enkel een getuige verslag als deze maar betrouwbaar genoeg is.

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Op zaterdag 13 juli 2019 00:35 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Wat is waterdicht bewijs?

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Op zaterdag 13 juli 2019 09:33 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Documenten, beelden, meerdere getuigenverklaringen inclusief die van de daders.

Zo had een of andere clown in dit topic op mijn post gereageerd met: 'ahja, en de jodenvervolging is zeker ook niet gebeurd', maar dan snap je er dus niets van. De holocaust is bewezen. Van documenten tot aan getuigenverklaringen, alles komt overeen met het feit dat daar verschikkingen hebben plaatsgevonden.

Zo ver zijn wij in het geval met de zogenoemde 'concentratiekampen' in de VS nog niet, toch? daar hebben we enkel wat getuigenverklaringen.

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Op zaterdag 13 juli 2019 09:35 schreef ATuin-hek het volgende:

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Documenten en beelden kunnen vervalst worden, daders liegen vaak.

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Op zaterdag 13 juli 2019 10:05 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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tedcruz twitterde op vrijdag 12-07-2019 om 23:53:13 This is WRONG. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Confederate general & a delegate to the 1868 Democratic Convention. He was also a slave trader & the 1st Grand Wizard of the KKK. Tennessee should not have an official day (tomorrow) honoring him. Change the law. https://t.co/XBgoRCBoI0 reageer retweet

Dafuq?

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bennyjohnson twitterde op vrijdag 12-07-2019 om 23:00:54 🔥HOLY, WOW🔥 Unprepared @AOC tries to come at Former ICE Director Thomas Homan.She gets eviscerated.It's unfair.It's hard to watch.Total savage flex by Homan at the end.AOC *literally* left speechless.I've never see a member get more completely & embarrassingly destroyed. https://t.co/F8qn5wkp2f reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 12 juli 2019 23:08 schreef kladderadatsch het volgende:

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page88 twitterde op vrijdag 12-07-2019 om 22:33:41 So. More on the modern slave trade. Justice obstructor AG Bill Barr's dad, Donald Barr, the Dalton headmaster who unaccountably hired college dropout Coney Island hustler Jeffrey Epstein to teach underage girls, wrote a sex-slavery novel while working with Epstein. https://t.co/1vPLGQq60Z reageer retweet

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What the Fuck!? Dit is echt niet te geloven...

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Op zaterdag 13 juli 2019 10:51 schreef Ulx het volgende:

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Er zijn geen videobeelden van een schrijvende Don Barr.

Dus zeg maar of het echt is.

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Op zaterdag 13 juli 2019 10:34 schreef Kun-Aguero het volgende:

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bennyjohnson twitterde op vrijdag 12-07-2019 om 23:00:54 🔥HOLY, WOW🔥 Unprepared @:AOC tries to come at Former ICE Director Thomas Homan.She gets eviscerated.It's unfair.It's hard to watch.Total savage flex by Homan at the end.AOC *literally* left speechless.I've never see a member get more completely & embarrassingly destroyed. https://t.co/F8qn5wkp2f reageer retweet

AOC is echt niet hoger dan het niveau ´niemand is illegaal´