[AMV] Amerikaanse politiek #531 Sic Semper Tyrannis

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 01:05 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Huh wat, mag dat niet volgens jou?

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 01:09 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Opnames maken in een vertrouwelijk gesprek, nee natuurlijk niet.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 01:22 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Waarom zou dat niet mogen dan? En bedoel je moreel of juridisch?

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 01:24 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Juridisch, moreel doet er niet toe.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 01:09 schreef Boze_Appel het volgende:

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Opnames maken in een vertrouwelijk gesprek, nee natuurlijk niet.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 01:44 schreef westwoodblvd het volgende:

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Volgens mij is NY een one party consent state, wat inhoudt dat maar één partij (de opnemende partij dus) toestemming hoeft te geven voor het opnemen van gesprekken. Wel heb je als advocaat natuurlijk een geheimhoudingsplicht maar daar is uitgebreid naar gekeken in deze zaak.

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pwnallthethings twitterde op zondag 22-07-2018 om 00:38:16 The full 412 page FISA application for surveillance directed against Carter W. Page, pursuant to Title I of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, released under FOIA. https://t.co/guq8lxK6ik reageer retweet

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In private, Trump vents frustration over lack of progress on North Korea

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Diplomats say the North Koreans have canceled follow-up meetings, demanded more money and failed to maintain basic communications, even as the once-isolated regime’s engagements with China and South Korea flourish.

Meanwhile, a missile-engine testing facility that Trump said would be destroyed remains intact, and U.S. intelligence officials say Pyongyang is working to conceal key aspects of its nuclear program.

The lack of immediate progress, though predicted by many analysts, has frustrated the president, who has fumed at his aides in private even as he publicly hails the success of the negotiations.

“Discussions are ongoing and they’re going very well,” Trump told reporters Tuesday.

The accounts of internal administration dynamics come from conversations with a half-dozen White House aides, State Department officials and diplomats, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the sensitive ­negotiations.

Officials say Trump has been captivated by the nuclear talks, asking staffers for daily updates on the status of the negotiations. His frustration with the lack of progress has been coupled with irritation about the media coverage of the joint statement he signed on June 12 in Singapore, a document that contains no timeline or specifics on denuclearization but has reduced tensions between the two countries.

“Trump has been hit with a strong dose of reality of North Korea’s negotiating style, which is always hard for Americans to ­understand,” said Duyeon Kim, a Korea expert at the Center for a New American Security.

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But when Pompeo arrived in Pyongyang, the North Koreans insisted they were still not ready to commit to specific plans, according to diplomats familiar with the discussions.

The delay angered U.S. officials, who were under pressure to ­deliver given Trump’s premature ­announcement on June 20 that North Korea had already “sent back” the remains of 200 soldiers.

The sentiment worsened when Kim Jong Un chose not to meet with Pompeo during his stay as had been expected. Pompeo later denied that a meeting was planned, a claim contradicted by diplomats who said the secretary initially intended to see the North Korean leader.

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On Wednesday, Trump said he secured a commitment from Russia to “help” with the North Korea issue. “The process is moving along,” he tweeted. “Big benefits and exciting future for North Korea at end of process!”

But late last week in meetings with his aides, Trump bristled about the lack of positive developments in the negotiations. And on Friday at the United Nations, his ambassador, Nikki Haley, accused Russia of blocking efforts to discipline North Korea’s illegal smuggling.

Trump and his senior team “haven’t given up entirely” on the goal of full denuclearization, but they are worried, said one person familiar with the discussions.

Climbing down from earlier soaring rhetoric, Trump told CBS this week that “I’m in no real rush. I mean whatever it takes, it takes,” he said.

That more patient approach stands in contrast to earlier Trump administration demands for North Korea to dismantle its nuclear program within a year.

“Trump is too vested to walk away right now,” said Victor Cha, a North Korea expert who the Trump administration nearly selected to be the next U.S. ambassador to Seoul. “At least until after the midterms.”

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Bron: WaPo

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Trump’s Putin fallout: Inside the White House’s tumultuous week of walk-backs

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The trouble started Monday in Helsinki, though the magnitude did not set in for Trump for several hours. Delighted with his own performance, he stepped offstage after his freewheeling, 46-minute news conference alongside Putin — in which he seemed to accept Putin’s denial of Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential election campaign over the conclusions of U.S. intelligence agencies. The president felt he had shown strength, an impression buoyed by two friendly interviews he did with Fox News Channel personalities before boarding Air Force One to return home from the Nordic capital.

But roughly an hour into the flight, Trump’s mood darkened and grim reality set in as he consumed almost universally negative cable news coverage and aides began reviewing pages upon pages of printed-out statements from fellow Republicans lambasting the president. Trump called his former chief of staff, Reince Priebus, to discuss the trip and his news conference, and he also huddled with White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders in his cabin at the front of the plane to strategize.

Much of the initial scrutiny focused on Trump’s taking the side of Putin over his own intelligence community, so Trump and his aides first settled on the president’s sending a tweet that reiterated, “I have GREAT confidence in MY intelligence people.”

But that did not silence the uproar, and aides knew they had a big problem.

Trump himself was flummoxed. He waxed on about his impressions of Putin up close — strong, smart and cunning, in Trump’s assessment — and told associates that he viewed the Russian as a formidable adversary with whom he relishes interactions. He also was furious with the negative media coverage of a summit that he felt had been a clear success. And he complained to some about what he viewed as an undercovered angle of the election controversy: That the Democratic National Committee allowed its server to be hacked.

Trump further grumbled about the tough question he was asked by Jonathan Lemire, an Associated Press correspondent, wondering why that reporter had been called on rather than someone who might have asked an easier question.

Lemire asked whether Trump would denounce Russia’s election interference to Putin’s face, “with the whole world watching,” and the president demurred. Aides tried to explain to Trump that nearly any journalist would have asked a similarly pointed question in that moment.

But, as one White House official said, “If you don’t like the answer, you don’t like the question.”

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Clouding Trump’s judgment all week has been his apparent inability to distinguish between Russian “meddling,” of which there is overwhelming evidence, and Russian “collusion” with the Trump campaign, which special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is still investigating, and which the president insists did not happen.

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But there was another problem for the administration. Sanders was questioned about Putin’s proposal that Mueller visit Moscow to interrogate Russian hacking suspects in exchange for Russians’ interrogating U.S. officials, including former ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul. Trump had called Putin’s proposal an “interesting idea,” and Sanders did not rule it out — even though the State Department had dismissed it as “absurd.”

“The president will work with his team and we’ll let you know if there’s an announcement on that front,” said Sanders, who was careful not to declare policy from the lectern before first discussing the matter with Trump.

The episode revealed a naivete on the part of the president. White House aides fretted that Trump did not recognize the massive diplomatic and security implications of turning Americans over to an autocratic regime that jails and kills dissidents. State Department and National Security Council officials, and others, realized there would need to be another cleanup.

In a meeting Thursday morning, Trump’s national security team saw that the president was mostly focused on the sending-Mueller-to-Moscow part of the proposal — and not on a quid pro quo interrogation of a former U.S. ambassador. They focused him on the full scope of Putin’s suggestion, restating just why it was so problematic.

Later, after discussing the matter with Trump, Sanders issued the president’s final verdict, saying he disagreed with Putin’s proposal, which she said had been “made in sincerity.”

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Bron: WaPo

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 07:30 schreef Montov het volgende:
Nintex had het gisteren al over Page. Toeval? Of is hij QAnon?

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 09:04 schreef speknek het volgende:

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Volgens mij zijn de enige mensen die nu nog fan van Trump zijn, de neo nazi's, de House Republicans, en de mensen die op Reddit de hele gifbeker leeg aan het drinken zijn. Nintex lijkt me niet een van de eerste twee.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 09:03 schreef Montov het volgende:

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 09:03 schreef Montov het volgende:

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The episode revealed a naivete on the part of the president. White House aides fretted that Trump did not recognize the massive diplomatic and security implications of turning Americans over to an autocratic regime that jails and kills dissidents. State Department and National Security Council officials, and others, realized there would need to be another cleanup.

In a meeting Thursday morning, Trump’s national security team saw that the president was mostly focused on the sending-Mueller-to-Moscow part of the proposal — and not on a quid pro quo interrogation of a former U.S. ambassador. They focused him on the full scope of Putin’s suggestion, restating just why it was so problematic.

Later, after discussing the matter with Trump, Sanders issued the president’s final verdict, saying he disagreed with Putin’s proposal, which she said had been “made in sincerity.”

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 10:14 schreef Euribob het volgende:

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Ik blijf de kortzichtigheid van Trump, zelfs nu nog, maar lastig te bevatten vinden. Zelfs als je volledig onder de plak zit bij Poetin dan hoef je zo’n verschrikkelijk slecht voorstel om elkaars verdachten te gaan ondervragen toch nog niet de hemel in te prijzen.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 12:25 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:
Dat Clinton Derangement Syndrome is wel erg hoor.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 12:34 schreef Nintex het volgende:

Putin Goes ‘Off-Script’, Slams ‘Forces’ in the USA Undermining Russia Relations

Bizar, Putin die in eigen land de Trump visie volgt.

Nog nooit eerder gezien.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 12:40 schreef Black_Baron het volgende:

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Hoezo is dat bizar? Putin heeft toch uitgesproken de voorkeur voor Trump te hebben als president. Logisch dat Putin hem steunt.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 12:52 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Openlijk in Rusland een Amerikaanse president steunen doen de talkshows nog niet eens.

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pwnallthethings twitterde op zondag 22-07-2018 om 02:16:14 Seriously. DOJ made the claim during the FISA litigation battle over this application that the President's tweets weren't an official disclosure of the existence of a FISA application because litigants couldn't prove the President's tweets were based on any actual knowledge. reageer retweet

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 12:52 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Openlijk in Rusland een Amerikaanse president steunen doen de talkshows nog niet eens.