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  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 01:17:38 #2
3292 Tweek
Koffie graag!
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Trump heeft Jeff Sessions aangewezen als Attorney General. Tegen Homohuwelijk, tegen de Matthew Shepard act, tegen het weerlegen van DADT en tegen wiet.

Maar Trump is er echt voor de LGBT gemeenschap!
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 01:17 schreef Tweek het volgende:
Trump heeft Jeff Sessions aangewezen als Attorney General. Tegen Homohuwelijk, tegen de Matthew Shepard act, tegen het weerlegen van DADT en tegen wiet.

Maar Trump is er echt voor de LGBT gemeenschap!
Niet zo negatief he. Kijk, net als je huis dat afbrandt klinkt het niet zo fijn, maar geef het tenminste een kans.
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1s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 04:02 schreef Nielsch het volgende:

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Niet zo negatief he. Kijk, net als je huis dat afbrandt klinkt het niet zo fijn, maar geef het tenminste een kans.
Precies.
Het beste is als we gewoon rustig afwachten.

Om de analogie verder te trekken: het huis brand nog niet. Trump is nog geen president, dat is pas 20 januari.
Ok ok, hij is nu het huis aan het besprenkelen met benzine.
En inderdaad hij heeft de watervoorziening in de straat afgesloten.
En ja, je hebt gelijk als je zegt hij de brandweer gaat afschaffen.

Maar laten we rustig afwachten. Misschien valt het allemaal wel mee.
Het is niet zo dat Trump onherstelbare schade kan aanrichten.
Goed, hij zou eventueel een brandstichter in de Supreme Court kunnen zetten of misschien wel 4 als de andere Supreme Court Judges het loodje leggen....
En ja dan zouden we dus 20-30 jaar lang brandstichters hebben die in feite de wetten en regels van de VS bepalen.

Maar misschien valt het wel mee.
Misschien heeft zo'n brand ook wel voordelen.

Gewoon afwachten.
Ik bedoel.. hoe erg kan 4 jaar oerconservatief christenextremisme en ongebreideld kapitalisme nou eigenlijk zijn voor het volk?
  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 04:55:47 #5
3292 Tweek
Koffie graag!
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1s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 04:02 schreef Nielsch het volgende:

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Niet zo negatief he. Kijk, net als je huis dat afbrandt klinkt het niet zo fijn, maar geef het tenminste een kans.
Maar dat moeten we vieren, dat zei Bram_van_loon ten minste. Die vindt het een feestje waard.
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14s.gif Op vrijdag 18 november 2016 09:48 schreef Ludachrist het volgende:

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Dus eerst weet je niet wat alt-right is, en nu heb je het artikel over wat alt-right is niet gelezen maar weet je opeens wel wat het is en wat de mensen die daarin zitten wel en niet weten. Oke Braindead, goed verhaal weer.
Ik heb een stukje gelezen (mijn attention span is max 2 A4'tjes). Het is wat ik dacht dat het was en kan me er wel in vinden.
  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 09:48:32 #8
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 18 november 2016 23:41 schreef Bram_van_Loon het volgende:

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Ja, maar de est. figuren van de DP roepen dat niet eens. Die tonen vooralsnog aan werkelijk niets geleerd te hebben van deze schaamteloze nederlaag op alle fronten.
Of ze iets leren is ook een kwestie van politieke smaak
  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 09:50:52 #9
176450 Kaneelstokje
Archbishop of Banterbury
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Was dit net niet een vol topic met de post van Hexagon als 301ste reactie?

Ik ben in de war.
Emotionele exclusiviteit monogamie-adept
  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 09:52:24 #10
75043 Hexagon
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 09:50 schreef Kaneelstokje het volgende:
Was dit net niet een vol topic met de post van Hexagon als 301ste reactie?

Ik ben in de war.
Ik had niet gezien dat hij vol was dus heb ik hier opnieuw gepost.
  Redactie Frontpage / Sport zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 10:01:25 #11
426493 crew  PippenScottie
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Trump University rechtzaak geschikt voor 25 miljoen dollar.

Iemand die nog geen universiteit kan runnen zonder de studenten op te lichten lijkt me bijzonder geschikt als president.
My friends all drive horses
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Voor wie het gemist heeft, gisteravond uitgezonden:


Harvey Levin en Trump bespreken zijn leven van baby tot president.
"Marco Rubio is a choke artist, sweating all over the place. He was soaking wet, like he just came out of a swimming pool. We can't have that as a president". -Donald Trump
  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 10:27:50 #13
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Nu kan Ben Carson in het hele land Trump universities oprichten
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1s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 10:01 schreef PippenScottie het volgende:
Trump University rechtzaak geschikt voor 25 miljoen dollar.

Iemand die nog geen universiteit kan runnen zonder de studenten op te lichten lijkt me bijzonder geschikt als president.
Je zou moeten weten dat een schikking geen schuldbekentenis is. Sterker nog: Danny Cevallos, een juridisch expert en analist (o.a. CNN, MSNBC) zei vannacht dat er zeker weten een 'not guilty clause' in zal staan. De personen die daadwerkelijk de cursus (want dat is het) hebben gerund zijn juridisch aangepakt. Trump heeft als probleem dat zijn naam erop zit en hij 1 van de oprichters is geweest. Het is dan ook een civil suit, geen criminal.

Een settlement was volgens hem goed, want je wilt niet als president in rechtszalen zitten, zoals Bill Clinton. Als hij zakenman was gebleven had ie niet geschikt, dan had hij ook de tijd gehad om door het proces te gaan, nu niet.
"Marco Rubio is a choke artist, sweating all over the place. He was soaking wet, like he just came out of a swimming pool. We can't have that as a president". -Donald Trump
  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 10:51:10 #15
168304 Mani89
We try not to sexualize them.
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 10:04 schreef antiderivative het volgende:
Voor wie het gemist heeft, gisteravond uitgezonden:


Harvey Levin en Trump bespreken zijn leven van baby tot president.
Die verzameling magazine covers. _O-

Reis ver, drink wijn, denk na, lach hard, duik diep. Kom Terug.
  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 10:51:37 #16
441090 crystal_meth
has new fav drug
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 01:17 schreef Tweek het volgende:
Trump heeft Jeff Sessions aangewezen als Attorney General. Tegen Homohuwelijk, tegen de Matthew Shepard act, tegen het weerlegen van DADT en tegen wiet.

Maar Trump is er echt voor de LGBT gemeenschap!
Een ‘minzame kerel’ en een ‘echte familieman’. Aldus Filip Dewinter, die al 20 jaar bevriend is met Sessions... (Bron: De Standaard, Knack)
are we infinite or am I alone
  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 10:52:24 #17
168304 Mani89
We try not to sexualize them.
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 10:51 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Een ‘minzame kerel’ en een ‘echte familieman’. Aldus Filip Dewinter, die al 20 jaar bevriend is met Sessions... (Bron: De Standaard, Knack)
Kijk, op deze endorsements zit je te wachten.
Reis ver, drink wijn, denk na, lach hard, duik diep. Kom Terug.
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Ik vond deze link erg interessant.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/

Elke Amerikaan maar ook iedereen die roept dat Trump een racist is zou dit moeten lezen :)

Als je de link al geplaatst is mijn excusses
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Ik hoop dat Trump die domme tokkies die op hem gestemd hebben eens flink hard in hun hol naait
  zaterdag 19 november 2016 @ 11:33:12 #20
441090 crystal_meth
has new fav drug
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Andrew Anglin, editor van de "Daily Stormer" :') , kan z'n geluk niet op. Al vreest ie dat Sessions het moeilijk zal krijgen in de Senaat:
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It’s Like Christmas: Sessions for AG, Gen Flynn as National Security Advisor

Honestly, I didn’t even expect this to all come together so beautifully. It’s like we’re going to get absolutely everything we wanted.
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The reason he might face trouble?

Because he’s a racist and most of these RINOs (Republican in Name Only) in Congress are filthy cuck traitors to the White race and the GOP.

As Huffington Post tells us:
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you can go read the whole thing. He said the only problem with the KKK is that they smoke marijuana.

Anyway, all you regular readers know who this guy is, but they’re digging up “racist past” stuff now showing that he is more based than we ever could have begun to imagine.

General Flynn is equally based.

He is pro-Russia and anti-Jew.

Basically, we are looking at a Daily Stormer Dream Team in the Trump administration.

I mean, you add these two to Steve Bannon, rumors of even Steve King getting in… wow.

I don’t know anything about the CIA guy, reading his Wikipedia he doesn’t seem great, but whatever. We’re winning hard here. Most of the appointments are exactly what we want.

Of course, I was thinking of Sessions for either Secretary of State or Defense, but I think Trump is making a point by putting an aggressive anti-Black racist in as AG. It’s a corrective measure, after Obama turned the Justice Department into the Black Panthers.
http://www.dailystormer.c(...)al-security-advisor/
are we infinite or am I alone
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Weten we nog toen Mark Cuban e.d. riepen dat Trump's brand ernstige schade op liep door presidentiele ambities? Dat de Trump hotels failliet zouden gaan e.d.?
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Perhaps nowhere is that possibility more obvious than Trump’s newly renovated hotel a few blocks from the White House, on Pennsylvania Avenue. Rooms sold out quickly for the inauguration, many for five-night minimums priced at five times the normal rate, according to the hotel’s manager.

Back when many expected Trump to lose the election, speculation was rife that business would suffer at the hotels, condos and golf courses that bear his name. Now, those venues offer the prospect of something else: a chance to curry favor or access with the next president.

Perhaps nowhere is that possibility more obvious than Trump’s newly renovated hotel a few blocks from the White House, on Pennsylvania Avenue. Rooms sold out quickly for the inauguration, many for five-night minimums priced at five times the normal rate, according to the hotel’s manager.

To many of the guests at the reception Tuesday, accepting an invitation to tour the $212 million hotel and check out the $20,000-a-night, 6,300-square-foot “town house” suite seemed like a good idea. They spoke admiringly about the renovation and left with a goody bag of chocolates and a brochure. It listed the choices of accommodations and meeting rooms and expounded on the location’s “striking prominence” at historical moments such as the Inauguration Day parade.

“Believe me, all the delegations will go there,” said one Middle Eastern diplomat who recently toured the hotel and booked an overseas visitor. The diplomat said many stayed away from the hotel before the election for fear of a “Clinton backlash,” but that now it’s the place to be seen.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/2016/11/18/9da9c572-ad18-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html

Al die buitenlandse diplomaten die een wit voetje willen halen bij de nieuwe president verblijven in zijn hotels. _O-
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Scherp, en waarom de nog steeds negatieve berichtgeving Trump alleen sterker maakt.
Goede bewuste strategie.

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mcuban twitterde op zaterdag 19-11-2016 om 08:41:44 My Thoughts on the MSM Getting President Trump Elected and Then Some https://t.co/ZgGM6XgKo6 reageer retweet
My Thoughts on the MSM Getting President Trump Elected and Then Some
Posted on November 19, 2016
Peter Thiel was right when he said that Trump supporters take him seriously, but not literally.

When it comes to reporting the news, a presidential campaign and election is obviously news, the MSM (Main Stream Media) takes everything literally and seriously. That is the definition of reporting isn’t it ?

There are 10s of millions of voters who probably preferred to consume literal information from MSM sources they trust and processed it before they decided which Presidential candidate they voted for.

There are 10s of millions of voters who probably preferred to consume other, non MSM sources of information. It’s not that they don’t want literal information. It’s that they don’t trust traditional reporting sources, aka, MSM, aka Main Stream Media.

I don’t know how or why they developed this distrust of the MSM. But they certainly did and still do. They not only distrust the MSM, they seem to feel strongly that the MSM is controlled by forces that are intentionally trying to discredit the things they believe strongly in.

Who do they trust for their information ? Pretty much anyone and any outlet that recognizes and reveals the impurity of MSM outlets and reinforces the purity of their beliefs. It can be a neighbor, friend, relative, talk show host, website or information source, real or otherwise. It certainly was all the people who were at the rallys. You talk about creating a word of mouth network of support. The rallys certainly succeeded there.

For the MSM literals, its “us vs them”, for the MSM haters , its “us vs them”

In this election there were more MSM “literals”, but the Trump campaign was a lot smarter and able to rally the MSM haters and turn them into Trump believers and voters in the states they needed them.

President Elect Trump won not because the media failed at their job or didn’t recognize something. Donald Trump won precisely because the MSM did their job exactly as they expected they would and they used it to their advantage.

Every chance Donald got he would say things that his campaign knew would get the MSM all riled up. They knew exactly what they were doing. The more the media and people like me criticized Donald, the more it played right into their hands. We were the bad guys. We didn’t get it. We represented everything they wanted to change. We were the forces behind the corrupt media. The elites. The establishment. The suckers getting paid off by George Soros and foreign corrupt interests.

I was dumb enough to think I would be able to talk people out of voting for Donald Trump by detailing what I thought were his weaknesses. The Trump campaign had to be laughing at me and thanking me at the same time. I approached my choice of candidates by consuming information literally. That was my hammer and I tried to use it to make everything else look like a nail. I obviously was wrong.

Where Donald Trump was challenged, it wasn’t because of something he said on the campaign trail. It was something he said or did years ago. When there was hard evidence, it created question marks for even his staunchest supporters. But for every hit he took, he was able to communicate to his followers that his opponent was far far worse than he ever could be.

She was a threat to their lives, their livelihood, their country. It was clear to his supporters that he understood them and she was a threat. It was an easy choice to make. They both had issues. He could learn from his. She was a lying traitor that couldn’t be trusted and neither could anyone who supported her. She would never be able to wash that off and be trusted and neither could the elites or special interests that wanted to help her take away his supporter’s liberties.

So here we are. We are going through a transition after which Donald Trump will be our President. Have I changed my mind about him ? Not yet. I’m willing to give him a chance. But I still don’t trust his temperament. His tweets are risky in so many ways. That still concerns me. Bigly.

But he will be our President and I want him to succeed. But that isn’t the end of the story. Recent history is repeating itself . As we speak.

The Trump team is once again brilliantly using MSM to their advantage. They know that MSM will continue to be literal in their reporting, and the Trump transition team is grateful for it.

In looking at his actual and proposed appointments, every one in the MSM, everyone who consumes their literal information from the MSM is freaking the fuck out.

Once again his voters are taking him seriously, but not literally. After all, he hasn’t taken office yet. How in the world does the MSM even know what is going to happen ? It’s just more confirmation that the MSM doesn’t get it. They don’t get us. They are still out to get him and make him look bad. And when the MSM makes our President look bad, they make all of us that voted for him look bad. Which in turn makes his support from his voters even stronger.

When his transition team picked Flynn, Bannon, Sessions, they knew exactly how the MSM would react. They knew every single past issue each faced would surface. From tweets to not being confirmed to breitbart news. They could have picked any number of qualified candidates that didn’t carry that “baggage”. But they chose them precisely because they had that baggage and of course because they were loyal to President Elect Trump.

Every bit of their histories was going to be taken literally and reported literally by the MSM. And like in the campaign, I’m pretty sure that his supporters won’t care, a minority of his supporters will think of those issues as positives, and the Trump team will continue to be thankful for the MSM doing their jobs exactly how they expected them to.

It’s the perfect long-term setup for the new President and all those around him. No matter what he does in office, unless it is demonstrably and verifiably dangerous to their way of life, the MSM media reporting on his Presidency is always going to be a plot against him.

They trust President Trump far, far more than they could ever trust anything the MSM says about him. And they trust all the non MSM sources of information that again, unless there is something disastrous and undeniable, will say and write positive things about his Presidency. What doesn’t work and isn’t disastrous is the fault of his predecessor and the establishment who continue to fill the swamp of DC and fight his every move. In fact, I would guess that they use all the negative articles during the transition as a way to convince those who didn’t vote for Trump, but may have been on the fence,as support for why they should support their new President.

The MSM doing their job is going to make President Donald Trump stronger than he was the day he was elected.

A couple more guesses and presumptions from my personal swamp:

1: My guess is that all the meetings with non-supporters are` “kiss the ring and kiss my ass meetings” and not true job interviews. Yes, there will be an exception or two. Or at least ones that look like they are a hiring of someone who didn’t support President Elect Trump’s campaign. But the reality of the situation is that it’s not about hiring those folks. They give the President Elect and his organization the chance to say “see, I was open minded. I talked to everyone. Whether I agreed with them or not. But even when you try to take the establishment out of the Swamp, you can’t take the swamp out of the establishment.

More importantly, they give President Elect Trump the satisfaction of watching those like me who campaigned vocally against him, bend over, and kiss his ring. Touche’ President Elect Trump. Touche’

2: As I said, I am very, very nervous about what he might say or tweet. But I do have some confidence that like everyone before him, the office will change him. The non stop onslaught of challenges will focus him. He won’t have the time, energy or inclination to tweet simply because he is too busy. That is my hope.

3: I do understand the fear the uncertainty is causing minorities. They are rightfully terrified. I know I would be. My suggestion is to use the fear so many are feeling as a way to raise money for groups that protect those minorities. Hopefully those funds and groups won’t be necessary and the fears will end up unfounded.

4: In supporting Sec Clinton, there were policies of hers I agreed with and policies I disagreed with. The same will apply to what appears to be his expected policies. Socially, there is plenty I disagree vehemently with the far right about. I’m not yet convinced that all of our President Elect’s NY Values are gone. We will see.

Economically, there are positives in his plan to borrow at hopefully what will still be effectively less than 0 percent interest. I think if they can take this approach rather than an infrastructure bank, it will pay off nicely in growth for the economy. I also believe that reducing corporate income taxes is good. But I’m a believer that they should be closer to the 22 – 25pct range. That makes us globally competitive and hopefully allows for more re-investment by companies.

Finally I hope he takes a page from Sec Clinton’s small business agenda. All the paperwork required, along with the many different fees that every different level of local government charges a new company, makes starting a business too difficult and stupidly expensive. All of which combined to crush the incentive for an individual to start their own business.

If you are good at a trade, its ridiculously expensive to go out on your own. Every start up should be as easy as starting up a lemonade stand and cheap, if not free. Sec Clinton proposed that federal funds be used to buy out the many local, county and state fees that crushed small startups and to work to unify and simplify the paperwork required. Hopefully the Trump administration will take a close look at this.

5: I’m tired. So apologize for the typos and whatever else. I’ll circle back tomorrow and fix the many grammatical and spelling errors I’m sure I left behind

6. Feel free to hate on me in the comments. I learn from the thought out disagreements and improve my temper from the over the top hate.

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0s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 11:33 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Andrew Anglin, editor van de "Daily Stormer" :') , kan z'n geluk niet op. Al vreest ie dat Sessions het moeilijk zal krijgen in de Senaat:

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http://www.dailystormer.c(...)al-security-advisor/
Verontrustend.
Op maandag 3 februari 2014 08:10 schreef Enchanter het volgende:[/b]
In discussie gaan met Koos Vogels :') , een grotere mongool is er niet :r
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Ik zag hier een Bloomberg-artikel voorbijkomen dat zogenaamd het artikel van de NYT over de Ford-fabriek weer ontkrachtte. Om de cirkel even rond te maken, hierbij weer een ontkrachting van de ontkrachting.

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Ford had never said it was moving a plant to Mexico, only that it was transferring the production of a small Lincoln sport utility vehicle there so it could fully dedicate a Louisville plant to a larger-selling model.

That decision has now been reversed — but either way, it will have no impact on jobs at the factory. The plant is already operating virtually around the clock at full capacity.

The decision, which Ford Motor said it made before Mr. Trump spoke by phone on Thursday with William Clay Ford Jr., the company’s executive chairman, will simply keep the current product mix in place at the factory.

The Louisville plant will continue making a far larger number of Ford Escapes, a small S.U.V. that is a less luxurious vehicle than the Lincoln model, the MKC.

Ford, which during the election campaign was a frequent target of Mr. Trump’s criticism for moving jobs to Mexico, was no doubt waving a political olive branch by deciding to keep Lincoln MKC production in Kentucky. But the move was largely symbolic.

And that Mr. Trump seemingly overstated its impact — if it proves emblematic of his future dealings with the industry — could indicate that his promises to save and restore auto jobs may not require significant changes on the part of carmakers.
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14s.gif Op zaterdag 19 november 2016 11:57 schreef Maxerazzi het volgende:
Ik zag hier een Bloomberg-artikel voorbijkomen dat zogenaamd het artikel van de NYT over de Ford-fabriek weer ontkrachtte. Om de cirkel even rond te maken, hierbij weer een ontkrachting van de ontkrachting.

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Eerlijk gezegd, met de huidige berichtgeving in de Amerikaanse media weet je niet meer wat niet waar en wel waar is. Erg verwarrend.
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