KLopt, het is een zinloze strijd. OP de lange duur valt er veel meer eer te behalen doordat oost oekraine al dan niet via de Russen ook met Kiev zaken zal moeten doen. Waarom moet Kiev dan nu koste wat kost een tactische overwinning willen halen, terwijl die strategisch gezien in Oekraine alleen maar verliezers gaat opleveren. Bijzonder dom mijns inziens. Als ik Kiev zou zijn, zou ik me terugtrekken en mn hand gaan ophouden bij de EU. Laat die maar eens met de billen bloot gaan. Daarna kan er worden gefocussed op normaliseren van de betrekking met de Russen.quote:Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2014 16:28 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
Waarom staakt het Oekranse leger de strijd in het oosten niet, dit gaan ze toch niet winnen.
Onnodig veel doden en gewonden, iedereen oppert een wapenstilstand, economie stort in, annexatie is bovendien onwaarschijnlijk.
Ik niet begrijpen.
Mja, federalisering.. We krijgen hier in Belgi een regering waarin 31% van de franstalige kiezers zal vertegenwoordigd zijn. De ministerraad moet wel evenveel nederlandstalige als franstalige leden tellen. Dus krijgt een partij die 9.64% van de Belgische kiezers vertegenwoordigd 50% van de ministers...quote:Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2014 16:10 schreef JimmyJames het volgende:
Dat opperde Ian Bremmer ook al in een interview in de VK vandaag. Wellicht is dat de beste oplossing ipv te gokken dat een regelrechte invasie door Poetin bluf zal blijven.
Natuurlijk zonder foto's of videos of getuigenissen van journalisten.quote:Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2014 16:55 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Putin's KamAZ trucks loaded with loot from Ukrainian defense plants
KYIV, August 23 /Ukrinform/. Russian KamAZ trucks that invaded the territory of Ukraine under the guise of a "humanitarian convoy," are loaded with loot of Ukrainian defense plants.
Spokesman of the NSDC Information-Analytical Center Andriy Lysenko told a briefing on Saturday.
"According to current information, the trucks that enter the territory under the guise of humanitarian convoys, are loaded by Russians with equipment of the production association Topaz, which produces the most advanced radars such as Kolchuga and equipment of the Luhansk plant ,producing ammunition for small arms," Lysenko said.
Omdat er ook een tegenpartij is. Als de tegenpartij de wapens neerlegt en de controle over Donbas uit handen geeft, is het zo opgelost.quote:Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2014 16:28 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
Waarom staakt het Oekranse leger de strijd in het oosten niet, dit gaan ze toch niet winnen.
Onnodig veel doden en gewonden, iedereen oppert een wapenstilstand, economie stort in, annexatie is bovendien onwaarschijnlijk.
Ik niet begrijpen.
Nooit toegeven aan een tiran, dat is wat we van de geschiedenis geleerd hebben.quote:Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2014 16:28 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
Waarom staakt het Oekranse leger de strijd in het oosten niet, dit gaan ze toch niet winnen.
Onnodig veel doden en gewonden, iedereen oppert een wapenstilstand, economie stort in, annexatie is bovendien onwaarschijnlijk.
Ik niet begrijpen.
twitter:expres_ua twitterde op zaterdag 23-08-2014 om 17:54:25Один удар сил АТО знищив сотні найманців і скупчення зброї ворогаhttp://t.co/hLDNe0i2Xe reageer retweet
quote:Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2014 19:38 schreef .Exe het volgende:
Ukrainian artillery destroyed big group of Russian militants near Roven'kytwitter:expres_ua twitterde op zaterdag 23-08-2014 om 17:54:25Один удар сил АТО знищив сотні найманців і скупчення зброї ворогаhttp://t.co/hLDNe0i2Xe reageer retweet
quote:In Lugansk region near the settlement Rovenky intelligence forces ATO was found a large base of Russian fighters and a significant accumulation of heavy machinery enemy. Told Adviser to the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Zoryak Shkiriak on his page on Facebook. "Thanks to the precise impact forces firing ATO destroyed 40 armored vehicles, three SAM" Arrow 10 "and up to 500 Russian mercenaries, most of whom are likely to crew members," - said in a statement, RBC-Ukraine.
quote:As the press-center of the ATU, the Russian "convoy" came with the purpose of export of industrial equipment from Ukraine.
"In the area of Thorez with 16.08.2004, it was revealed in white trucks, which was confirmed by space exploration. These vehicles, under the guise of a "humanitarian mission" are taken from one of the branches of the plant, Motor Sich, which produces components for the engines of helicopters, equipment, which is produced only in Ukraine. Such a theft taking place in other cities, is now under the control of the DNI.
quote:Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2014 08:44 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
Novoazovsk border checkpoint was shelled from the sea
Wat gebeurd hier !?
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op zaterdag 23-08-2014 om 20:19:34Source: #Russia is preparing for an offensive to capture #Mariupol #Ukraine after shelling border crossing near #Novoazovsk. reageer retweet
twitter:ICRC twitterde op zaterdag 23-08-2014 om 20:50:22Our team in #Lugansk says shelling of residential areas continues, endangers the lives of civilians #Ukraine http://t.co/SjPXKMjIrv reageer retweet
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Het is niet duidelijk hoeveel mensen er in Luhansk nog zijn, maar als bvb 25% van de bevolking nog aanwezig is dan betekent het convooi minder dan 2 kg voedsel + drinken per inwoner...quote:Ukraine: Lugansk population in dire need
23-08-2014 News Release
Geneva / Kiev / Moscow (ICRC) – Staff from the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) report intermittent shelling of residential areas in Lugansk. This action endangers the lives of civilians, including humanitarian workers.
"Telephone lines and other communications facilities in Lugansk are not working,” said Laurent Corbaz, ICRC head of operations for Europe and Central Asia. “So getting information from our team, which has been there for several days, is a complicated matter. Clearly, people living there need help. Food and medicine are in short supply, and access to clean water is very difficult. It is urgent to improve the situation.”
To the extent security conditions allow, the ICRC is striving to assess the needs and is doing everything possible to boost its operations in Lugansk and other parts of eastern Ukraine. Many there have been without news of loved ones for weeks now, and finding a way to put people back in touch is another priority for the ICRC.
The organization continues discussions with the representatives of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic about rapidly delivering aid donated by the Ukrainian authorities for the neediest in and around Lugansk. This is possible only if assurances of safe passage are respected by the parties to the conflict.
The local authorities started distributing aid received from Russia on 22 August. Despite continuous talks with all sides, the ICRC was unable to secure sufficient guarantees for safe passage and therefore could not accompany the convoy that delivered the aid. The organization is using its operational expertise to advise local authorities in drawing up distribution plans.
Parties to the conflict must ensure that this aid reaches those most in need in an impartial manner. At the same time, the armed violence in the city is raising serious concerns about people’s ability to gather safely at distribution points.
The ICRC strongly urges all sides to refrain from using inherently indiscriminate weapons, i.e. those whose use makes it impossible to distinguish between civilians and civilian objects on the one hand, and military objectives on the other. It reminds the parties to the conflict that attacks must not be directed against civilians or civilian objects, such as homes, schools and medical facilities and vehicles, or against any other objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, such as food-storage and drinking-water installations. Likewise, each party to the conflict is obliged by the law of war to avoid, to the extent feasible, locating military objectives inside or near densely populated areas.
twitter:myroslavapetsa twitterde op zaterdag 23-08-2014 om 18:30:30Impressed, touched, humbled by the Muscovites who speak of love to #Ukraine on its birthday. Thank you so much! http://t.co/TUYMt1ZKKc reageer retweet
quote:Russians congratulate Ukrainians on Independence Day
Citizens of Russia recorded video greetings to the people of Ukraine on their Independence Day [August 24th].
They congratulated Ukrainians as simple residents of Moscow, and those who had visited Independence Square [Maidan] during the winter. Joining in the congratulations is the Russian satirist, writer and human rights activist Victor Shenderovich; politician activist of Svoboda Mikhail Schneyder–one of the organizers of the Moscow rallies in the late 1980s and early 1990s and rallies on Chysti Stavky and Bolotnaya Square in 2011.
[Amongst those in the video are Ayder Muzhdabaev, a deputy editor at Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper; Maya Zavyalova, a representative of the Russian United Democratic Party, Yabloko; Eduard Kapchikaev, lawyer; Russian journalist, historian, radio host and priest Yakov Krotov; Aleksandr Shcherbakov, journalist; Sergei Sharov-Delone, public defender and a member of the May 6 Committee (Bolotnaya clashes)].
During the recording of the congratulations, police in Alexander Garden detained five people. Among those detained were the camera operator Vladimir Shreydler, a member of the Committee for Solidarity Olga Kurnosov, Sergei Sharshukov, Elena Vasilieva and Roman Roslovtsev.
At this current time, all the activists were released.
Law enforcement officials did not explain to any of the detainees the reason for their detention and removal to the police station in Chinatown.
The Department of Internal Affairs declined to comment on the incident.
twitter:NotMattBellamy twitterde op zaterdag 23-08-2014 om 16:00:56MT @_Alek_UA_: Yellow and blue continue to appear around Moscow: http://t.co/cKqqfmrAR4 [v @ArianaGicPerry] reageer retweet
http://en.ria.ru/world/20(...)med-Entities-in.htmlquote:Poroshenko Eyes Banning Symbols of ‘Self-Proclaimed Entities’ in Ukraine
KIEV, August 23 (RIA Novosti) - Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has tasked the Cabinet of Ministers to work out a bill of state regulation and banning the use of the symbols of “self-proclaimed entities,” the press service of the Ukrainian president said.
“Ukraine’s cabinet of Ministers [has been] tasked to elaborate legislative restrictions on the use of symbols of totalitarian and other non-democratic regimes, banning the use of symbols of quasi-governmental entities, terrorist, separatist organizations,” the president’s order states.
Moreover, Poroshenko ordered to think of the ways to popularize and defend official national symbols of Ukraine.
Dat filmpje is al van maanden geledenquote:
ah, ok.quote:Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2014 23:09 schreef Igen het volgende:
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Dat filmpje is al van maanden geleden
twitter:uatodaytv twitterde op zaterdag 23-08-2014 om 23:07:03We have launched! http://t.co/jweJfSL5cm reageer retweet
Tja, die Krim komt nooit meer bij Oekrane terug of er moet een wonder gebeuren.quote:Op zaterdag 23 augustus 2014 22:30 schreef J.B. het volgende:
Dat plan wat Merkel en Poetin zogezegd aan het maken waren om Rusland de Krim te geven en daarmee te vrede te bewerkstelligen blijkt op fictie gebaseerd te zijn, Merkel heeft vandaag duidelijk te kennen geven dat de Krim bij Oekrane hoort.
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