Crisis in Syrië # 84: Nog geen overwinnaar(s)

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:27 schreef Baklava95 het volgende:

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Jongen elke taal heeft een gestandaardiseerde vorm man. Koerden in Turkije en Syrië kunnen elkaar verstaan (dezelfde dialect Kurmanji). Koerden in Irak en Iran spreken Sorani-dialect en dat verschilt een beetje met Kurmanji. Er zijn nog veel andere kleinere dialecten.

Arabisch heeft ook standaard-Arabisch

Turks heeft als standaard-dialect: Istanbul Turks

Perzisch heeft als standaard-dialect: Teherani-perzisch

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:30 schreef expans het volgende:

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Koerdische nationalist maar je spreekt je eigen taal niet eens?

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:30 schreef expans het volgende:

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Koerdische nationalist maar je spreekt je eigen taal niet eens?

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:30 schreef expans het volgende:

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Koerdische nationalist maar je spreekt je eigen taal niet eens?

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:17 schreef expans het volgende:
Turkije - Azerbaijan - Georgië vs Rusland - Armenie, simpel gezegd.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:33 schreef Baklava95 het volgende:

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Is normaal hoor dankzij jullie assimilatiepolitiek.

Hier in West-Europa zijn er ook veel jonge grijze wolven die geen Turks spreken.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:34 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Tsja als Koerdisch taalonderwijs verboden is gaat de taalkennis natuurlijk achteruit.
Resultaat: butthurt Koerden als Baklava.

Niet geheel onbegrijpelijk denk ik dan...

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:31 schreef Peunage het volgende:

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Volgens mij gaat het standaardiseren vooral om het schrift? Ik dacht dat sommige met het Arabisch alfabet schrijven en anderen weer met het Westerse.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:35 schreef expans het volgende:

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Maar we wonen in Nederland, hier mag alles. Zelfs geld inzamelen voor de PKK als vals subsidieclubje.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:33 schreef Aloulou het volgende:

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Dat klopt dat elke taal een standaard vorm heeft. Maar omdat ik jou al een paar keer daarop zag wijzen dacht ik misschien dat onderling dialecten elkaar niet tot nauwelijks verstaan? Praten Koerden van Iran met Turken in Nederland onderling makkelijk in het Koerdisch? Of moeten ze vaak op NLs overswitchen omdat hun dialecten te ver uit elkaar liggen?

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:36 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Hij hoeft natuurlijk alleen maar Nederlands te kennen .
Eén volk, één taal; Kemal zou trots op hem zijn geweest.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:36 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:
Wat is jullie etniciteit en/of religies eigenlijk? Ongelovige Koerd (uit Turkije) hier van een soennitisch achtergrond.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:37 schreef Baklava95 het volgende:

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Op wie.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:38 schreef Baklava95 het volgende:

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Huh noem je mij ongelovig. Ik ben een Sunni-Koerd hier in Nederland geboren. Mij ouders komen uit Turkije.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:34 schreef Charismatisch het volgende:

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Je vergeet een buurland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia%E2%80%93Iran_relations

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:38 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Op jou, dat je geen Koerdisch spreekt maar alleen Turks.
Maar ik doelde meer dat je Nederlands spreekt onder het motto één land, één volk, één taal .

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:39 schreef Baklava95 het volgende:

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Wie heeft je gezegd dat ik geen Koerdisch spreek.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:39 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Nee, dat was een omschrijving van mezelf.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:40 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Dat zei je net toch?

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:40 schreef Baklava95 het volgende:

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Dat is ook een omschrijving van mij hoor. Exact hetzelfde.

Waar kom je vandaan ook uit Dilok (gaziantep).

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:40 schreef Baklava95 het volgende:

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Dat is ook een omschrijving van mij hoor. Exact hetzelfde.

Waar kom je vandaan ook uit Dilok (gaziantep).

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:41 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Mardin.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:41 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Mardin. Verschil tussen ons is dat ik niet gelovig ben.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:42 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Daar wonen toch ook nog ergens een stuk of drie Assyriërs of zo?

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:42 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Daar wonen toch ook nog ergens een stuk of drie Assyriërs of zo?

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:43 schreef Djibril het volgende:
Dit gaat niet meer over Syrie....

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:43 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Jep.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:44 schreef Baklava95 het volgende:

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Daar wonen nog een heleboel Assyriërs.

Mardin heeft grootste christelijke gemeenschap van Turkije.

Jij kent Noord-Koerdistan echt niet.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:44 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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En ze maken er wannabe Aleppo zeep. Die nu als Aleppo zeep verkocht wordt doordat Aleppo in puin ligt. De een zijn dood...

Misschien financieren de zeepmakers van Mardin Al-Nusra wel heimelijk!

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:46 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Helaas moet ik nu een hitman op je afsturen.

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Nederlander in rebellenkabinet Syrië

De Syrische oppositie heeft dinsdag een nieuw kabinet gepresenteerd en in de ministersploeg zit één Nederlander. De econoom Ebrahim Miro (35) uit Amsterdam wordt minister van Financiën van de rebellen. .

Volgens de Syrische Nationale Raad is Miro afgestudeerd aan de Universiteit van Amsterdam en werkt hij bij De Nederlandsche Bank (DNB).

Het 'rebellenkabinet' van de Syrische Nationale Raad leidt de Syrische gebieden die in handen van prowesterse opstandelingen zijn.

De Syrische Nationale Raad is in augustus 2011 opgericht. Vanuit de Turkse stad Istanbul proberen de opstandelingen het bewind in Damascus omver te werpen. Daarvoor werkt de raad samen met het Vrije Syrische Leger (FSA), dat bestaat uit overgelopen militairen. De rebellen vechten in Syrië onder meer in de buurt van de steden Aleppo, Homs, Hama en Damascus. De raad wordt gesteund door westerse landen, waaronder Nederland.

Het voorbeeld voor de raad is de Libische Nationale Overgangsraad (NTC). Die wist de verschillende groeperingen in Libië te verenigen tegen dictator Muammar Kaddafi en in korte tijd een rebellenleger en een bestuur te vormen. Dat leidde in augustus 2011 tot de val van Kaddafi.

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A picture of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and a Syrian flag are seen from a hole in Aleppo, Nov. 7, 2013. (photo by REUTERS/Molhem Barakat)

Islamic militia expels criminal gangs from Aleppo

ALEPPO, Syria — Khaled Saraj, better known as Khaled Hayani, is a notorious rebel warlord operating in and around Aleppo. He’s a native of the town of Hayan — hence, his nickname — just a few kilometers on the Gaziantep highway north of Aleppo. He was largely unknown from his impoverished background right up until the armed conflict erupted in Aleppo province. Soon after, he formed his own militia, the Martyrs of Badr, and through various unsavory activities quickly amassed a small fortune, all in the name of the revolution and fighting against the Syrian regime.

His infamy stems from his well-documented escapades, including organized looting, kidnapping, extortion, highway robbery and indiscriminate shelling of civilians adjacent to areas his faction controls with his improvised and lethal Jehanem (Hell) canon. Along with several other warlords now infamous throughout Aleppo for their reign of crime and terror, he stands out as particularly noxious for his undisguised contempt for the city of Aleppo and its residents.

His more outrageous crimes were carried out in the industrial zone of Liramoun, on the northern outskirts of Aleppo, where his men systematically looted factories and warehouses, often driving off with tons of goods in large trucks. They even dismantled factory machinery, shipping it off across the border to Turkey to be sold to unscrupulous dealers for a fraction of its worth. This, as you can imagine, caused great consternation and bitterness across the city, an important industrial hub in the region. He is even reported to have called factory owners, offering to sell them back their stolen goods at a discount, adding insult to injury.

But the crime he is perhaps most notorious for is the storming and subsequent mass looting of the Shiekh Maksud neighborhood. Residents there reported that straight after his men took the area one morning around dawn, dozens of car thieves arrived in pickup trucks and proceeded to calmly break into and drive off with all the parked cars, none of which were left by that afternoon. As he consolidated his control, he would also reportedly auction off entire buildings or blocks to the highest bidder. You pay his fee, get your men and trucks in, then steal whatever you wanted from the houses. Refrigerators, washing machines, TVs, furniture, clothes — anything you could carry. The unwillingness or perhaps the inability of other “good” rebel factions to do anything about his crimes has done much to damage and discredit the rebel fighters as a whole in Aleppo.

It should come as no surprise, then, that the people of Aleppo are more than happy to see him go, even if it is at the hands of the al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams (ISIS). The group has already dispatched with another notorious warlord, Hasan Jazara, captured in the Sakhur neighborhood along with some of his men as ISIS swept into several areas of Aleppo late last month. He has reportedly been sentenced to death for his crimes. His execution was to be held Oct. 31, but there has been no confirmation that it was carried out. ISIS, for its part, has been playing a clever and slick media campaign, claiming that it is purging the rebel fighters of traitors, collaborators and criminals. After taking over the border town of Azaz, destroying the rebel faction Asefet el Shamal (the Northern Brigades) for allegedly collaborating with US and German intelligence, ISIS has now set its sights on other strategic areas in Aleppo, rooting out rival militias it accuses of criminal activity.

ISIS has released several statements, pictures and videos online to back up its claims. After seizing the Aleppo neighborhoods of Bustan el Basha, Masaken Hanano and Hulok, the group released this carefully edited propaganda video of residents being interviewed, all claiming they were happy the criminal rebels were ousted and that ISIS is now in control.

In going after Hayani and his men, ISIS stormed his hometown, captured some of his closet associates and then launched a manhunt for him. He is reportedly now in hiding, in either Sakan el Shababi or Bani Zied, both areas under rebel control in Aleppo. As ISIS seizes more of his checkpoints, he is now reportedly on the run and surrounded. Several other rebel factions have come to his aid, and clashes in those areas remain fierce. One of the main checkpoints under his control, Castello, sits on the entrance of one of the few roads left into northern Aleppo province. Prior to the military road through Khanaser being retaken by the Syrian army last month, anyone wanting to travel to or from Aleppo had to pass through it. His men would routinely harass and rob passengers, especially those who lived in the affluent parts of the city, discernible from the place of residence marked on their ID cards. Travelers would tell tales of children being taken aside and asked what their father did for a living, or what kind of car they owned. If they suspected you were rich, they either robbed you straight away or kidnapped a family member on the spot until you could come up with the ransom. One traveler told Al-Monitor about Hayani himself manning the checkpoint and taunting a passenger bus, “Haven’t you people run out of money yet? I’m getting tired of carrying it all away.”

After storming that checkpoint, ISIS released pictures of the confiscated loot, which included jewelry, money, drugs, weapons and household appliances. The group also released a video showing traffic freely flowing again. Needless to say, as hated as the extremist ISIS may be, many people were overjoyed at this little bit of ironically good news in a war that seems to offer very little in the way of positives. In a country gripped with such a messy and bloody war, it seems there are no “good sides” fighting, only shades of bad to worse.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com(...)o.html#ixzz2kSynvNyU

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Al Qaeda's leader Ayman al-Zawahri speaks from an unknown location, in this still image taken from video uploaded on a social media website, June 8, 2011. (photo by REUTERS)

Internal disagreements could lead to al-Qaeda split

The audio recording aired by Al Jazeera on Oct. 8 of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri has caused quite a stir, in particular because Zawahri called for disbanding the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS). Zawahri also confirmed that Jabhat al-Nusra was the organization's branch is Syria, giving it the cloak of legitimacy. Meanwhile, ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi responded by rejecting Zawahri's call, stressing that ISIS will remain in Iraq and in Syria.

In the recording, Zawahri stated, "The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham is canceled, and work continues under the name of the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI)," adding, "Jabhat al-Nusra is an autonomous branch of Jamaat al-Qaeda al-Jihad [i.e., al-Qaeda] and follows its general leadership." Zawahri further said, "The realm of ISI is Iraq, and that of Jabhat al-Nusra is Syria." Zawahri's statements supported Jabhat al-Nusra leader Abu Mohammed al-Golani's demand that his group remain independent of Baghdadi in Syria and that he withdraw from al-Qaeda's branch in Iraq.

Zawahri additionally asserted, "Sheikh Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi erred when he announced the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham without seeking our order, consulting us or even notifying us … and Sheikh Abu Mohammed al-Golani erred when he announced his rejection of ISIS and made clear his relation with al-Qaeda without seeking our order, consulting us or even notifying us."

In a recording broadcast Nov. 8, Baghdadi responded to Zawahri, saying, "The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham will remain … and we will not compromise [ISIS] or give it up." In an earlier audio message, released in April 2013, Baghdadi had contended that Jabhat al-Nusra was "an extension of the Islamic State of Iraq and a part of it," declaring the "disbanding of the name 'the Islamic State of Iraq' and that of 'Jabhat al-Nusra', and combining them under a single name: the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham." Baghdadi claimed that he had consulted with Ahl al-Hal wal Aqad, al-Qaeda's leadership and scholars, regarding the integration of the two organizations and that they had given their blessing to this move.

Golani then issued a statement in response to Baghdadi, claming that he had not been consulted and that senior "Nusra scholars" had only heard about the alleged merger through the media. Golani refused to bow to Baghdadi's authority, sparking confusion among jihadists in Syria and causing divisions among Jabhat al-Nusra fighters, who are considered the strongest and most influential armed group confronting the Syrian regime. Golani announced that he was renewing his allegiance to Zawahri, stating that his previous allegiance to Baghdadi had resulted from the latter's position as a representative of Zawahri in Iraq. Meanwhile, Baghdadi claimed that Golani had pledged allegiance to him while he was working under his command in Iraq and that he had been the one who appointed Golani emir of a group of jihadists sent to Syria to fight. This was before Jabhat al-Nusra expanded to include jihadists from Syria as well as other Arab and non-Arab states.

Experts on jihadist groups disagree on whether Zawahri's audio recording was new or somewhat old but only issued recently. In a phone interview with Al-Monitor, Hassan Abu Haniyeh, a Jordanian researcher specializing in Islamic movements, said that the contents of the audio recording contained nothing new. Rather, they repeat what Zawahri had stated in May 2013 in a letter to Baghdadi (as ISI leader) and Golani (as Jabhat al-Nusra's leader) that was posted on jihadist websites. In the letter, Zawahri had ruled on the dispute between the two men by abolishing the merger that Baghdadi had announced and Golani had rejected. Abu Haniyeh therefore believes that the recording is old, but recently leaked.

Mohammed Allouch, a Lebanese researcher specializing in Islamic movements, told Al-Monitor that he was not surprised by Zawahri's statement. He believes that while the contents of the statement are old, and merely repeat what Zawahri had said in a message issued in May 2013, the recording is new. He thinks that it was issued to assist Golani in light of the growing disputes between ISIS on the one hand and Jabhat al-Nusra and other Syrian factions on the other.

Sheikh Omar Bakri, a Lebanese Salafist and expert on Salafist jihadist movements, asserts that Zawahri's statements in the recording had been proposed by him months prior in his letter to Baghdadi and Golani. In a news statement, Bakri contended, "What [Zawahri] stated, in regards to ISIS being disbanded and Jabhat al-Nusra remaining independent, was merely a suggestion that was not implemented. Both organizations — ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra — continued their work in Syria and coordinated operations."

Bakri also noted that jihadist leaders — including Jordanian Abu Mohammed al-Maqdisi and Palestinian-Jordanian Omar Othman, known as Abu Qatada and currently imprisoned in Jordan — had proposed forming a "shura council" for jihadists in Syria consisting of representatives from each faction. According to this proposal, Abu Khalid al-Souri, nominated by Zawahri, would arbitrate among them, while each faction would remain independent.

Abu Haniyeh said that Baghdadi had ignored Zawahri and in his May 2013 letter accused him of violating Sharia. In an audio recording, Baghdadi asserted, "I have to choose between the rule of God and the rule of Zawahri, and I choose the rule of God."

Abu Haniyeh pointed out that Zawahri is not a charismatic figure like Osama bin Laden, and there is no consensus on his leadership. He also said that al-Qaeda is no longer an elite, centralized organization with a globalized agenda, as was the case in the 1990s. The killing of bin Laden in May 2011 contributed to the disintegration of the organization's central leadership and the emergence of a new approach of opposing the West in indirect ways. This involves building popular local networks under the name Ansar al-Sharia, paving the way for the development of united regional jihadist networks based on a strategy of integrating global and local dimensions. This means combining the fight against the "close" enemy" (Arab and Muslim ruling regimes) and the "far enemy" (the United States, the West and Israel).

Abu Haniyeh notes that the Arab Spring revolutions have resulted in the collapse of some regimes hostile to al-Qaeda and weakened others. According to him, al-Qaeda's new strategy is based around its local branches, where new groups have emerged that share the organization's Salafist jihadist ideology and its long-term goals of establishing an Islamic caliphate, eliminating Western dominance, and confronting Israel.

Allouch believes that following Zawahri's statement and ISIS's refusal to accept his decision, Salafist jihadism is entering a new stage that will see new leaders increasingly willing to turn against the traditional leadership. This possibly portends the emergence of a new extremism more severe than that represented by the "original al-Qaeda" that emerged in Afghanistan. Allouch observed that the dispute between Zawahri and Baghdadi, and between ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra, is an ideological and political disagreement related to the issues of allegiance, the timing of the establishment of an Islamic state, and other priorities. Everyone involved, however, continues to agree on the general objectives upon which al-Qaeda was founded.

Allouch thinks the dispute will spread hostilities and will be reflected in future events in the Arab Maghreb as well as in al-Qaeda's activities in the West. He contends that a new stage featuring additional rifts might be forthcoming among these organizations, developing into a generation divided in addition to being more radical and extremist.

Zawahri's message noted that he had extended Baghdadi's mandate for the Iraqi al-Qaeda branch and Golani's mandate for the Syrian branch for a year. Following this period, he will decide, based on the report of al-Qaeda's Shura Council, whether to extend these mandates or choose a successor for them.

Islamist researcher Moussa al-Ghannami said that one of the reasons for Zawahri dispatching an audio message is the division between the two groups and ISIS's attacks against Jabhat al-Nusra headquarters and other Islamic factions in Syria. Ghannami noted that ISIS had assassinated a number of officials from Islamist factions and carried out other assaults. Moreover, Baghdadi could kill Golani and Abu Maraya al-Qahtani, Jabhat al-Nusra's chief legal adviser, under the pretext that they had broken their allegiance and split with Islamist ranks. Golani has gone into hiding, while Abu Maraya has survived several assassination attempts, Ghannami noted.

Without revealing the source of his information, Ghannami asserted that senior ISIS legal and military officials had met with Baghdadi and had agreed to cancel the name "Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham" and declare the "State of the Islamic Caliphate" and had received pledges of allegiance from al-Qaeda groups in Tunisia, Libya, the Sinai and Somalia. A statement was supposed to have been issued declaring the caliphate, with the pledges of allegiance to Baghdadi to follow along with his being appointed the emir of the faithful. Baghdadi's supporters tried to obtain allegiance from Ansar al-Sharia in Yemen and al-Qaeda followers in Mali, but they refused and informed Zawahri of the matter. Thus, bin Laden's successor rushed to issue the old audio statement to block the move and to clear up any doubts regarding his handwritten letter.

Some researchers expect that Zawahri's message will strengthen Jabhat al-Nusra and further weaken ISIS, which because of its practices in the areas it controls, Raqqa and Aleppo, has generated resentment among residents. ISIS had beheaded alleged dissidents and imposed Sharia law on the populace. Furthermore, the message will exacerbate the dispute between the two groups, pushing them in the direction of fighting one another. ISIS remains the strongest opposition group in Syria, having surpassed Jabhat al-Nusra in terms of equipment and number of fighters. It is estimated that ISIS has about 8,000 fighters, with Syrians constituting 60% of them.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com(...)t.html#ixzz2kSz3Rc7x

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 20:03 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Heeft niets met de discussie te maken. Jouw bijbaantje of stage naast je school telt niet.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:48 schreef Charismatisch het volgende:

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http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)nkabinet-Syrie.dhtml

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:46 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Geef me gewoon zo'n blok zeep en ik houd mijn mond wel.
Doe maar die met extra laurierolie svp.

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Eens.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:41 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Mardin. Verschil tussen ons is dat ik niet gelovig ben.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:55 schreef Isetmyfriendsonfire het volgende:

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Ik ken een aantal Koerden uit Mardin, die in Adana wonen. Weet niet zo goed wat ik er van moet vinden, haha.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:56 schreef Senor__Chang het volgende:

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Wut? Ik heb familie uit Mardin in Adana wonen.. Of had iig.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:55 schreef Isetmyfriendsonfire het volgende:

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Ik ken een aantal Koerden uit Mardin, die in Adana wonen. Weet niet zo goed wat ik van hen moet vinden, haha.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:57 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Ze springen op daken van busjes als je hun kinderen platrijdt...

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 22:01 schreef Isetmyfriendsonfire het volgende:

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Er is altijd ruzie in de Koerdische wijk in Adana. Die wijk ligt tussen mijn wijk en de wijk waar mijn man woont. Iedere avond wordt er bibergazi gespoten, de Koerden gooien stenen naar de politie, de politie rijdt rond in toma's en akreps. Altijd gezellig als wij de stenen die voor de politie is bedoeld op onze auto krijgen als we er langs rijden, of onze ramen dicht moeten doen vanwege de pepperspray.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 22:02 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Is dat gebruikelijk, dat Turkse Arabieren zichzelf wijsmaken dat ze eigenlijk toch echt Syrisch zijn?

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 21:39 schreef expans het volgende:

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Aah jah, maar die is ook wel redelijk simpel in te vullen. Die gaan natuurlijk Armenië steunen om de Turken in eigen land rustig te kunnen houden.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 22:01 schreef Isetmyfriendsonfire het volgende:

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Er is altijd ruzie in de Koerdische wijk in Adana. Die wijk ligt tussen mijn wijk en de wijk waar mijn man woont. Iedere avond wordt er bibergazi gespoten, de Koerden gooien stenen naar de politie, de politie rijdt rond in toma's en akreps. Altijd gezellig als wij de stenen die voor de politie is bedoeld op onze auto krijgen als we er langs rijden, of onze ramen dicht moeten doen vanwege de pepperspray.

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 22:02 schreef IPA35 het volgende:

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Is dat gebruikelijk, dat Turkse Arabieren zichzelf wijsmaken dat ze eigenlijk toch echt Syrisch zijn?

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Op dinsdag 12 november 2013 22:13 schreef Baklava95 het volgende:

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Dit bedoel ik met je maakt opmerkingen over mijn afkomst. Je beledigt mijn volk.

En trouwens niet alle Koerden zijn zo hoor. Wij antepli-Koerden kunnen het gewoon goed vinden met de Turken en Arabieren daar.