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Zet er gewoon een groot hek rond en het probleem lost zichzelf op ...quote:Op vrijdag 30 augustus 2013 12:57 schreef -jos- het volgende:
Het is dus niet zo dat er alleen oppositierebellen tegen het regime vechten, maar er zijn een heleboel verschillende rebellengroepen die ook tegen elkaar vechten.
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
Jep. Maar die oppositieleider zegt ook dat hij heel goede relaties heeft met de koninklijke families van o.a. Qatar, Saudi-Arabie, Koeweit, VAE. Dus de rebellen krijgen van die landen gewoon steun. Dus als de rebellen winnen wordt Syrië dus ook een soort oliesjeikdictatuur.quote:
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Zet er gewoon een groot hek rond en het probleem lost zichzelf op ...
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De rebellen. Alle groepen die tegen het regime vechten vallen onder de rebellen.quote:
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welke van de vele groepen bedoel je?
hoe kan er dan een 'oliesjeikdictatuur' komen?quote:Op vrijdag 30 augustus 2013 13:11 schreef Peunage het volgende:
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De rebellen. Alle groepen die tegen het regime vechten vallen onder de rebellen.
dan moeten die rebellen eerst onderling uitvechten wie het baasje mag spelen....
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kaartverkoop erbij, en je kan nog een leuke profit eruit halen.quote:
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Zet er gewoon een groot hek rond en het probleem lost zichzelf op ...
brood & spelen....quote:
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kaartverkoop erbij, en je kan nog een leuke profit eruit halen.
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kan je ook nog op gokken, net zoiets als het paardenrennen, maar dan wie het vaakst allah akbar kan zeggen binnen een minuut zonder zichzelf op te blazenquote:
Dat doen ze as we speak.quote:
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hoe kan er dan een 'oliesjeikdictatuur' komen?
dan moeten die rebellen eerst onderling uitvechten wie het baasje mag spelen....
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George Galloway in het Britste Parlement over militair ingrijpen in Syrië
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
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het blijft een leuke speech voor wie em nog niet gezien heeft
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
maargoed terug naar de orde van de dag. het momentum is weg en er komt geen aanval meer. HOUDOU!
Wie dit leest is een lezer van dit.
Niet geheel mee eens, maar heeft wel een punt:
quote:British parliament learns the wrong lessons from Iraq
Following last week's meeting of the UN Security Council which in effect gave a green light for chemical attacks in Syria, the Assad regime now has a second green light – this time from Britain.
Yesterday's parliamentary debate ended in a dramatic defeat for the government which means that Britain will not be taking part in any American-led military action. The vote also raises questions about what position Britain will adopt in future discussions of Syria at the Security Council.
Reacting to his defeat in the House of Commons, prime minister David Cameron told MPs:
"I strongly believe in the need for a tough response to the use of chemical weapons, but I also believe in respecting the will of this House of Commons ...
"It is clear to me that the British parliament, reflecting the views of the British people, does not want to see British military action. I get that, and the government will act accordingly."
A jubilant editorial in today's Guardian praises Ed Miliband, the Labour opposition leader, for his stand and hails the result as a classic example of "the legislature holding the executive to account".
Arab journalist Hassan Hassan, on the other hand, sees it as a case of democracy saving a dictator.
Debate about Syria in Britain – among politician and the public – has been framed by the experience with Iraq 10 years ago. Having been deceived by prime minister Tony Blair in 2003, MPs were bending over backwards not to fall into a similar trap with Cameron and Syria. But in their eagerness to avoid that they have now fallen into the hands of Bashar al-Assad.
The result of Blair's trickery is that the level of proof required for military intervention is not merely high (as it should be) but unrealistically high. In this, Cameron has got himself neatly off the hook by saying that he defers to the will of parliament and the British people, even though he disagrees with it. But the decision may yet come back to haunt Labour leader Miliband and his supporters.
If Obama launches airstrikes and they turn into a disaster or fail to deter Assad, Miliband can claim vindication. On the other hand, if Assad feels empowered to commit more chemical atrocities then fingers will start pointing at Miliband.
Obviously, things would be a lot easier if we had a "smoking gun" in connection with last week's chemical attacks. We don't have one at present and we may never get one. There are hopes that the UN inspectors will identify the chemicals used, and they may also identify the weaponry used to deliver them. That would be helpful but it would still not be a smoking gun – and the inspectors' mandate specifically excludes establishing who is to blame.
Realistically, though, there are only two possible suspects – the regime or the rebel fighters. If one of these can be eliminated the smoking gun argument becomes much less relevant.
That, basically, is what the British government's Joint Intelligence Committee did in its report issued yesterday. It stated very clearly that the rebels could not have been responsible:
"It is being claimed, including by the regime, that the attacks were either faked or undertaken by the Syrian Armed Opposition. We have tested this assertion using a wide range of intelligence and open sources, and invited HMG and outside experts to help us establish whether such a thing is possible.
"There is no credible intelligence or other evidence to substantiate the claims or the possession of CW (chemical weapons) by the opposition. The [committee] has therefore concluded that there are no plausible alternative scenarios to regime responsibility."
It continued:
"There is no credible evidence that any opposition group has used CW. A number continue to seek a CW capability, but none currently has the capability to conduct a CW attack on this scale."
If this is true, the committee's view that "it is highly likely" the regime was responsible for last week's attacks looks like an understatement.
As far as the regime's responsibility is concerned, the reason given for the committee's caution – the only reason – was that it had failed to establish "the regime's precise motivation for carrying out an attack of this scale at this time". Even so, the report says there is "a limited but growing body of intelligence which supports the judgement that the regime was responsible for the attacks and that they were conducted to help clear the opposition from strategic parts of Damascus".
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Ze willen de VS zeker laten zien dat ze in Syrie ook kunnen wat de VS heeft gedaanquote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23892594
Frikandelbroodje hou eens op met je oorlogszuchtige gedrag.
"But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever."- Edmund Burke
Prove me wrong.quote:
Frikandelbroodje hou eens op met je oorlogszuchtige gedrag.
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De Britse overheid heeft geen ene donder te maken met de interne aangelegenheden van Syrië.quote:
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"But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever."- Edmund Burke
Het parlement wel.quote:
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De Britse overheid heeft geen ene donder te maken met de interne aangelegenheden van Syrië.
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Sinds wanneer vertegenwoordigen zij het Syrische volk?quote:
"But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever."- Edmund Burke
Sinds Cameron een oorlog wilde beginnen?quote:
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Sinds wanneer vertegenwoordigen zij het Syrische volk?
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Dus omdat Cameron een oorlog wilde beginnen vertegenwoordigt het Britse parlement het Syrische volk?quote:
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Sinds Cameron een oorlog wilde beginnen?
"But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever."- Edmund Burke
Volgens jou had Cameron een oorlog moeten beginnen zonder het parlement? Weten we dat ook weer.quote:
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Dus omdat Cameron een oorlog wilde beginnen vertegenwoordigt het Britse parlement het Syrische volk?
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Nee helemaal niet. Het idee an sich is verwerpelijk.quote:
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Volgens jou had Cameron een oorlog moeten beginnen zonder het parlement? Weten we dat ook weer.
"But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever."- Edmund Burke
Ach IPA35 is Hitler in een nieuw jasje, gewoon negeren die dude.quote:
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Volgens jou had Cameron een oorlog moeten beginnen zonder het parlement? Weten we dat ook weer.
Wie dit leest is een lezer van dit.
gastquote:
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Ach IPA35 is Hitler in een nieuw jasje, gewoon negeren die dude.
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Allo allo!quote:
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Ach IPA35 is Hitler in een nieuw jasje, gewoon negeren die dude.
Maar even serieus. Hitler begon ook allemaal oorlogen. Ik ben daar op tegen.
Frikandelbroodje heeft dan nog eerder Hitleresque trekjes.
"But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever."- Edmund Burke
Nou dan.quote:
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Nee helemaal niet. Het idee an sich is verwerpelijk.
Vreemde vogel inderdaad, gelukkig heeft hij een goede smaak wat dönertenten betreft.quote:
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Ach IPA35 is Hitler in een nieuw jasje, gewoon negeren die dude.
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Nah jij bent gewoon iets selectiever met je oorlogswensenquote:
Allo allo!
Maar even serieus. Hitler begon ook allemaal oorlogen. Ik ben daar op tegen.
Frikandelbroodje heeft dan nog eerder Hitleresque trekjes.
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
Maar jij wilt toch graag dat de 'FSA' de boel overneemt.quote:
Daarvoor in buitenlandse 'hulp' vereist...
Hitler is alvast voor
.Chico's Place in Arnhem want goedkoop.quote:Vreemde vogel inderdaad, gelukkig heeft hij een goede smaak wat dönertenten betreft.
En bietje...quote:
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Nah jij bent gewoon iets selectiever met je oorlogswensen
"But the age of chivalry is gone; that of sophisters, economists, and calculators has succeeded, and the glory of Europe is extinguished forever."- Edmund Burke
laat de post maar zien waar ik dit gezegd heb.quote:
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Maar jij wilt toch graag dat de 'FSA' de boel overneemt.
Edit: verder lijkt het me niet meer dan logisch dat die massamoordenaar en (islamitisch)terreursponsor eens opbokt. Dat hij chemische wapens gebruikt is slechts bijzaak.quote:Daarvoor in buitenlandse 'hulp' vereist...
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http://www.globalresearch(...)ericas-death-squads/quote:Terrorism with a “Human Face”: The History of America’s Death Squads
Death Squads in Iraq and Syria. The Historical Roots of US-NATO's Covert War on Syria
The Free Syrian Army (FSA)
Washington and its allies replicated in Syria the essential features of the “Iraq Salvador Option”, leading to the creation of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and its various terrorist factions including the Al Qaeda affiliated Al Nusra brigades.
While the creation of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) was announced in June 2011, the recruitment and training of foreign mercenaries was initiated at a much an earlier period.
In many regards, the Free Syrian Army is a smokescreen. It is upheld by the Western media as a bona fide military entity established as a result of mass defections from government forces. The number of defectors, however, was neither significant nor sufficient to establish a coherent military structure with command and control functions.
The FSA is not a professional military entity, rather it is a loose network of separate terrorist brigades, which in turn are made up of numerous paramilitary cells operating in different parts of the country.
Each of these terrorist organizations operates independently. The FSA does not effectively exercise command and control functions including liaison with these diverse paramilitary entities. The latter are controlled by US-NATO sponsored special forces and intelligence operatives which are embedded within the ranks of selected terrorist formations.
These (highly trained) Special forces on the ground (many of whom are employees of private security companies) are routinely in contact with US-NATO and allied military/intelligence command units (including Turkey). These embedded Special Forces are, no doubt, also involved in the carefully planned bomb attacks directed against government buildings, military compounds, etc.
The death squads are mercenaries trained and recruited by the US, NATO, its Persian Gulf GCC allies as well as Turkey. They are overseen by allied special forces (including British SAS and French Parachutistes), and private security companies on contract to NATO and the Pentagon. In this regard, reports confirm the arrest by the Syrian government of some 200-300 private security company employees who had integrated rebel ranks.
The Jabhat Al Nusra Front
The Al Nusra Front –which is said to be affiliated to Al Qaeda– is described as the most effective “opposition” rebel fighting group, responsible for several of the high profile bomb attacks. Portrayed as an enemy of America (on the State Department list of terrorist organizations), Al Nusra operations, nonetheless, bear the fingerprints of US paramilitary training, terror tactics and weapons systems. The atrocities committed against civilians by Al Nusra (funded covertly by US-NATO) are similar to those undertaken by the US sponsored death squads in Iraq.
In the words of Al Nusra leader Abu Adnan in Aleppo: “Jabhat al-Nusra does count Syrian veterans of the Iraq war among its numbers, men who bring expertise — especially the manufacture of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) — to the front in Syria.”
As in Iraq, factional violence and ethnic cleansing were actively promoted. In Syria, the Alawite, Shiite and Christian communities have been the target of the US-NATO sponsored death squads. The Alawite and the Christian community are the main targets of the assassination program. Confirmed by the Vatican News Service:
Christians in Aleppo are victims of death and destruction due to the fighting which for months, has been affecting the city. The Christian neighborhoods, in recent times, have been hit by rebel forces fighting against the regular army and this has caused an exodus of civilians.
Some groups in the rugged opposition, where there are also jiahadist groups, “fire on Christian houses and buildings, to force occupants to escape and then take possession [ethnic cleansing] (Agenzia Fides. Vatican News, October 19, 2012)
“The Sunni Salafist militants – says the Bishop – continue to commit crimes against civilians, or to recruit fighters with force. The fanatical Sunni extremists are fighting a holy war proudly, especially against the Alawites. When terrorists seek to control the religious identity of a suspect, they ask him to cite the genealogies dating back to Moses. And they ask to recite a prayer that the Alawites removed. The Alawites have no chance to get out alive.” (Agenzia Fides 04/06/2012)
Reports confirm the influx of Salafist and Al Qaeda affiliated death squads as well as brigades under the auspices of the Muslim Brotherhood into Syria from the inception of the insurgency in March 2011.
Moreover, reminiscent of the enlistment of the Mujahideen to wage the CIA’s jihad (holy war) in the heyday of the Soviet-Afghan war, NATO and the Turkish High command, according to Israeli intelligence sources, had initiated”
“a campaign to enlist thousands of Muslim volunteers in Middle East countries and the Muslim world to fight alongside the Syrian rebels. The Turkish army would house these volunteers, train them and secure their passage into Syria. (DEBKAfile, NATO to give rebels anti-tank weapons, August 14, 2011).
Private Security Companies and the Recruitment of Mercenaries
A Secret Army of Mercenaries for the Middle East and North AfricaAccording to reports, private security companies operating out of Gulf States are involved in the recruiting and training of mercenaries.
Although not specifically earmarked for the recruitment of mercenaries directed against Syria, reports point to the creation of training camps in Qatar and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).
In Zayed Military City (UAE), “a secret army is in the making” operated by Xe Services, formerly Blackwater. The UAE deal to establish a military camp for the training of mercenaries was signed in July 2010, nine months before the onslaught of the wars in Libya and Syria.
In recent developments, security companies on contract to NATO and the Pentagon are involved in training “opposition” death squads in the use of chemical weapons:
“The United States and some European allies are using defense contractors to train Syrian rebels on how to secure chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria, a senior U.S. official and several senior diplomats told CNN Sunday. ( CNN Report, December 9, 2012)
The names of the companies involved were not revealed.
Oud artikel, maar wel zeer interessant. Helaas ontbreekt de bronvermelding.
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Zou helemaal geen oorlog beginnen geen optie zijn dan?quote:
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Volgens jou had Cameron een oorlog moeten beginnen zonder het parlement? Weten we dat ook weer.
Maak dat de moslims wijs ...quote:
Zou helemaal geen oorlog beginnen geen optie zijn dan?
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
Dan kom je op de vraag wat het beste is voor Syrië.quote:
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Zou helemaal geen oorlog beginnen geen optie zijn dan?
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Zouden zij dezelfde discussies voeren indien de situatie omgekeerd zou zijn ?quote:
Dan kom je op de vraag wat het beste is voor Syrië.
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
Sorry, wie?quote:
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Zouden zij dezelfde discussies voeren indien de situatie omgekeerd zou zijn ?
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Zou het MO discussiëren over gewapende interventie als de NL overheid de Friese rebellen met gas zou bestoken.quote:
Iedereen is de hoofdrolspeler van zijn eigen komedie.
Vrijheid
Vrijheid
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I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
zoals jogy zegt ...
I understand how you feel. You see, it's all very clear to me now. The whole thing. It's wonderful.
Nee alleen de haardbaard groeperingen zullen discussiëren over hoe ons verder de vernieling in te krijgen.quote:Op vrijdag 30 augustus 2013 14:29 schreef jogy het volgende:
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Zou het MO discussiëren over gewapende interventie als de NL overheid de Friese rebellen met gas zou bestoken.
Vergeet niet dat de meesten ons daar als de duivel zien.
Sinds wanneer vinden ze friezen duivels?quote:Op vrijdag 30 augustus 2013 14:32 schreef practics het volgende:
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Nee alleen de haardbaard groeperingen zullen discussiëren over hoe ons verder de vernieling in te krijgen.
Vraag yvonne maar hoe tof ik ben, die gaf mij er ooit een tagje voor.
Zij begonnen.quote:
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Hoezo? We hebben het over de oorlog die het VK en de US wilden/willen voeren.
Lekker onzinnig reageren weer.quote:
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Sinds wanneer vinden ze friezen duivels?
Hoe zielig jij dat volk daar ook vind, ze zien jou liever kapot branden (en ja daar willen ze zelf wel voor sterven)
