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[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 10-11-2012 22:53:11 ]
Paar milliliter.quote:Op zaterdag 10 november 2012 22:52 schreef 2Happy4U het volgende:
er stroomt bloed naar mijn penis na het zien van de TT
Wie van de twee is slaaf?quote:
Bietssuuquote:
Happy natuurlijk. Wij delen de klappen uit.quote:
quote:
tijd om de chillbroek met gat in de broekzak aan te doen
chillpakken
Verdomme geil.quote:
[..]
Happy natuurlijk. Wij delen de klappen uit.
Gelukkig ben ik een masochistquote:
[..]
Happy natuurlijk. Wij delen de klappen uit.
quote:
dat heb ik ookquote:
tijd om de chillbroek met gat in de broekzak aan te doen
HYOMIIIINNNNquote:
Jahhhhquote:
Dit wil ik
En dan daaronder naakt, dan kruip ik erbij.quote:
Zo rol ik.quote:Op zaterdag 10 november 2012 22:55 schreef Dimens het volgende:
Snow heeft mij nu wel warm gekregen. Ik glibber van mijn stoel af.
Chillpak XXXL?quote:
Neem dan je laptop mee, kan je film kijken daarin.quote:Op zaterdag 10 november 2012 22:56 schreef Dimens het volgende:
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En dan daaronder naakt, dan kruip ik erbij.
wel goed voor Snow, XXXLquote:
Snuggie!quote:
Pornofilm wel.quote:Op zaterdag 10 november 2012 22:57 schreef Beach het volgende:
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Neem dan je laptop mee, kan je film kijken daarin.
He vieze fatty wat zeg jijquote:
Ik glibber.quote:
Ik ben een fatty jaquote:
zegt Hypo ook altijd ze noemt mij Spekkie 
quote:
Kende ik nog niet
Je blijft lord Poopy voor mij.quote:
[..]
Ik ben een fatty ja
In Turkije zou dat elke 5 seconden zijn.quote:
beugel would not bangquote:
[..]
[ afbeelding ]
Kende ik nog niet
HE KRUL LINKS!!!!!!quote:
[..]
[ afbeelding ]
Kende ik nog niet
quote:Op zaterdag 10 november 2012 22:58 schreef Snowbells het volgende:
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Je blijft lord Poopy voor mij.
Jij met je kutspoilers
Dit is helemaal niet waar.quote:
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Ik ben een fatty ja
Zie je. Eerst dat over dat teasen en nu dit.
Leugens verspreiden over mij heh.
quote:
SPOILERkhal drogo
SPOILERgaat
SPOILERdood
NOOOO!!!quote:
[..]SPOILERkhal drogoSPOILERgaatSPOILERdood
Neequote:
Snowstertje heb je al gekeken naar die docu????
Jammer, ik ga zo van fok af en verder kijkenquote:
quote:
SPOILERdaenerys
SPOILERkrijgt een relatie met
SPOILERtyrion
Miley heeft een pijpmondjequote:
Op 
[ Bericht 76% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 10-11-2012 23:00:43 ]
Wellesquote:Op zaterdag 10 november 2012 22:59 schreef Hypocriet het volgende:
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Dit is helemaal niet waar.
Zie je. Eerst dat over dat teasen en nu dit.
Leugens verspreiden over mij heh.
jij noemde mij Spekkie ooit Niet
Niet dan?quote:
Gisteren weer hello baby snsd gekeken, YoonYulquote:
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Jammer, ik ga zo van fok af en verder kijken
. Jessica . Ik kan nog steeds helemaal lachen Nog nooit gekeken met SNSDquote:
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Gisteren weer hello baby snsd gekeken, YoonYul
Niet voor jouw garnaaltje.quote:
quote:
[..]SPOILERkhal drogoSPOILERgaatSPOILERdood
Kijken! Aanrader.quote:
Je zei zelf dat het terecht wasquote:
[..]
Welles
Niet
gemenerd.
Garnalen.quote:
Is dit een hint?quote:
Jaquote:
Is dat vandaag?quote:
Sint Maarten.quote:
gieb linkquote:
Oquote:
Waarom ontken je het danquote:
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Je zei zelf dat het terecht was
gemenerd.
Niet
Mijne BBW.
Gaan we samen?quote:
Je beseft dat dat is om een katholieke heilige te eren is? Je bent toch moslim?quote:
vanaf hier kijken. Zo deed ik het ook.quote:
![[ SNSD ] Hello Baby Ep 1 1/5 (Eng Sub)](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/n12z8UYfUgs/default.jpg)
toen ik 12 was liep ik allanng manquote:
Met ze 3e.quote:
Dat ik mijn lichtje, dat ik mijn lichtje
11 November is de dag
Dat ik mijn lichtje branden mag
[ Bericht 6% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 10-11-2012 23:03:48 ]
#negerineendoosjequote:Op zaterdag 10 november 2012 23:03 schreef Rockiejj het volgende:
Wat is jullie favoriete tag?
Mijne BBW.
that's the time you miss her mooost of aaaaaaaaalll
Omdat daarom.quote:
Dat ben je wel.
okee dank jeeeeeeeeeeeeequote:
[..]
vanaf hier kijken. Zo deed ik het ook.
quote:
11 September is de dag
Dat ik mijn lichtje, dat ik mijn lichtje
11 September is de dag
Dat ik mijn lichtje branden mag
gisteren 9/11, nog steeds in m'n hartquote:
dan komen er altijd enge turkjes om snoep bedelen.OV, ben jij dat?!
Ik heb mijn lampion al in elkaar geknutseld.quote:
Vrouwenquote:
Niet
Kan ik het goedmaken? Ja sorryquote:
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[..]
gisteren 9/11, nog steeds in m'n hart
Wat?quote:
11 November is de dag
Dat ik mijn lichtje, dat ik mijn lichtje
11 November is de dag
Dat ik mijn lichtje branden mag
ja sry ik reis helemaal naar Duitsland om Sint Maarten te lopen/quote:
Sint Maarten
OV, ben jij dat?!
ik ook.quote:
[..]
Ik heb mijn lampion al in elkaar geknutseld.
gaan we langs Schubenogiets?Omfggggg want ik woon ook echt in Duitsland omgquote:
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ja sry ik reis helemaal naar Duitsland om Sint Maarten te lopen/
*meldt.quote:
[..]
Vrouwen
Niet
nee.
=Squote:
[..]
Omfggggg want ik woon ook echt in Duitsland omg
.o/quote:
[..]
Omfggggg want ik woon ook echt in Duitsland omg
dat wordt slapen met de lichten aan
Ja niet meer doenquote:
Oh
watquote:
godverdomme ik durf niet meer in het donker te lopen ik zie overal dat kk konijn
dat wordt slapen met de lichten aan
Donnie Darko eng vindenquote:
godverdomme ik durf niet meer in het donker te lopen ik zie overal dat kk konijn
dat wordt slapen met de lichten aan
!Schubertrode? Ja.quote:
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ik ook.
Wat? Een vrouw zijn?quote:
ik vond de film niet eng maar dat konijn achtervolgt me manquote:
Jijquote:
Ja preciesquote:
Een topic verder.quote:
Waar zijn de mensen hier die ik waardeer?
Krijg je water.quote:
Weggejaagd met je kutposts.quote:
Waar zijn de mensen hier die ik waardeer?
Hoe moet ik dat niet meer doen dan?quote:
Ik bedoel dat jij het nog kent.quote:
groei er eentjequote:
[..]
Hoe moet ik dat niet meer doen dan?
Als we samen komen, hebben we orkaan Sandy 2.quote:
Ik waardeer jou hoor.quote:
Maar natuurlijk ken ik dat. Ik ben verdomme een vrije scholart.quote:
Heftigquote:
[..]
Als we samen komen, hebben we orkaan Sandy 2.
engquote:
watquote:
Nehquote:
Andersom niet.quote:
Ja zo'n overstroming.quote:
Ik heb hem ik kan hem gaan kijken.quote:
Alsof iemand mij waardeert.quote:
werkt dat zo niet dan?quote:
Hij is op zich wel leuk, alleen ik snap het verhaal nog steeds niet.quote:
[..]
Ik heb hem ik kan hem gaan kijken.
Jou waardeer ik.quote:
Ik kijk The Lion King en ik drink bier
Welke?quote:
Ik kijk The Lion King en ik drink bier
Samen kijken?quote:
[..]
Hij is op zich wel leuk, alleen ik snap het verhaal nog steeds niet.
Ik weet het niet.quote:
De eerstequote:
Drie is leuker.quote:
Is goed.quote:
zo vind ik hem niet eng maar ik zie hem gwn overal in het donker ik durf nu ook niet te blowen omdat ik bang ben dat ik bad ga :Squote:
Ja jij hebt biologie, ik al jaren niet meerquote:
Maar dan wel echt kijken.quote:
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Biologie.quote:
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Ja jij hebt biologie, ik al jaren niet meer
Maar ik lette nooit op.quote:
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Ja jij hebt biologie, ik al jaren niet meer
kruip dan tegen Snow aanquote:
Ga ik zeker doen.quote:
Beter opletten dan heh.quote:
Ik heb ze alle drie.quote:
Ja, hyena's jwz.quote:
JAAA omgquote:
morgen met Hypo Twilight marathon kijken
Van 14.00 tot 23.30 alleen maar Twilight.
Jaja. En nee is niet eng, gewoon heel... apart. Volgens mij wel schrikmomenten want dat konijn komt soms tevoorschijn.quote:
Tips voor twee tieners die niet heel erg van stappen houden maar wel van gezelligheid.
quote:
[..]
JAAA omg
Van 14.00 tot 23.30 alleen maar Twilight.
Twilightquote:
morgen met Hypo Twilight marathon kijken
Ik heb dat ook, verschrikkelijk is dat. Ik kan zo boos worden als mensen van die screamervideos laten zien ofzo, dat schaadt echt mijn vertrouwen.quote:
En dat zeg jij dan?quote:
Ja ik kan niet tegen schrikmomenten.quote:
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Jaja. En nee is niet eng, gewoon heel... apart. Volgens mij wel schrikmomenten want dat konijn komt soms tevoorschijn.
Ik heb een tijdje gehad dat ik woede aanval kreeg na schrikken.quote:
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Ik heb dat ook, verschrikkelijk is dat. Ik kan zo boos worden als mensen van die screamervideos laten zien ofzo, dat schaadt echt mijn vertrouwen.
Gewoon kijken.quote:
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Ja ik kan niet tegen schrikmomenten.
Wat?quote:
quote:
Hatersquote:
Joaahhhhquote:
[..]
JAAA omg
Van 14.00 tot 23.30 alleen maar Twilight.
zo romantisch Maar ik ga dan wel helemaal tegen je aankruipen hoor.quote:
Op Kopenhagen.quote:
Op zoek naar een leuk vakantieplekje.
Tips voor twee tieners die niet heel erg van stappen houden maar wel van gezelligheid.
haten opquote:
hommoquote:
So gayquote:
maar wel romantiesj ja! RIP in vrede heppie.Je moet mijn fouten niet nadoen.quote:
Nou, niet echt schrikken ofzo. Soms heb je wel dat opeens een stem hoort maar grafisch niet echt.quote:
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Jaja. En nee is niet eng, gewoon heel... apart. Volgens mij wel schrikmomenten want dat konijn komt soms tevoorschijn.
Vind ik niet erg.quote:
[..]
Maar ik ga dan wel helemaal tegen je aankruipen hoor.
hoezo ik ga met Hypo? ;squote:
Ik ga in je buik knijpen.quote:
waarom rip?quote:
[..]
So gay
Echt?quote:
Zo eng ben ik nou ook weer niet hoor. Gemenerd.quote:
Dat verhaalquote:
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Nou, niet echt schrikken ofzo. Soms heb je wel dat opeens een stem hoort maar grafisch niet echt.
ik zoek nu op wat het is en het is één grote mindfuck.ja ik ga toch met haar naar de bios?>+???????????quote:
Twilight saga.quote:
Genoeg vetjes om dat te kunnen doen ja.quote:
Wejo gaat ze bij jou op schoot zitten?quote:
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ja ik ga toch met haar naar de bios?>+???????????
Bijna ten einde jaquote:
maar laatste film wordt tof Niet jijjjjjjquote:
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Zo eng ben ik nou ook weer niet hoor. Gemenerd.
quote:
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Genoeg vetjes om dat te kunnen doen ja.
Goed om te weten.misschien, moet ze wel samen met mijn buik dan schikken, mijn buik hangt op mijn benen als ik zitquote:
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Wejo gaat ze bij jou op schoot zitten?
Wacht wat, jij vindt Twilight tof?!?!?!?!quote:
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Bijna ten einde ja
Iets warms.quote:
Dat schikt wel.quote:
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misschien, moet ze wel samen met mijn buik dan schikken, mijn buik hangt op mijn benen als ik zit
quote:
Wil je voor of achter liggen?quote:
Ik doe wel een handstand.quote:
Klopt, maar je moet nachtbagger eens in de zomer zien.quote:
Jaquote:
[..]
Wacht wat, jij vindt Twilight tof?!?!?!?!
Nee, welk bier natuurlijk.quote:
Vast wel jaquote:
Dan ben je zeker lenig in bed?quote:
* Snowbells zat ooit in een ver verleden op turnen.
Amstel halve liters.quote:
Vér verleden. Ik kan geen handstand meerquote:
! Wel een radslag. Maar verder.. mweh. Ik kon ooit wel een split.Ja schat, ik loop al wat langer meequote:Op zaterdag 10 november 2012 23:16 schreef AppelCake het volgende:
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Klopt, maar je moet nachtbagger eens in de zomer zien.
Ik kan het allemaal nietquote:
[..]
Vér verleden. Ik kan geen handstand meer
nichtquote:
Snow is het erg dan dat ik Twilight leuk vind?
Beetje maar.quote:
Snow is het erg dan dat ik Twilight leuk vind?
neefquote:
wrm?quote:
x1000SPOILERik heb alle films gezien behalve die nieuwste
HA! Gaaaaaaay!quote:
TwilightSPOILERik heb alle films gezien behalve die nieuwste
SPOILERRecall that during his talk with Dr. Monotoff (Noah Wyle's character) they discuss the formation of wormholes in space-time. They can form at complete random, and the only "artifacts" that can move through wormholes without being destroyed are metal vessels of some sort (such as a jet engine...). As Sparrow describes it, "The Fourth Dimension of Time is a stable construct, though it is not impenetrable." The wormholes form as a result of this marginal instability. Bear in mind that time is just another dimension by which the universe is measured, and it is not mere philosophical fantasy to talk about it being manipulated like any other dimension (consider the observed case of time passing more slowly for one object with movement relative to another object--inconsistencies exist that are difficult to understand).
On October 2nd, 1988, an artifact from out of nowhere landed in what Sparrow calls the "Primary Universe"--life as we know it. The origin of this artifact, the jet engine, is a "Tangent Universe", created when the jet engine blew through the wormhole and into a day that had already happened, October 2nd. The artifact marks the arrival of the Tangent Universe. If you've been observant you'd realize that this introduces paradox--the Tangent Universe from which the jet engine came did not exist until the jet engine exited its domain via the wormhole, hmm. These paradoxes are inevitable when dealing with time travel. They don't fully discount the possibility of time travel, they just mystify it beyond any sort of simple comprehension. I find that it's easier to visualize the two universes if you imagine the Tangent Universe actually "happening first". After 28 days of a turbulent existence, the Tangent is erased when the story jumps back to October 2nd in the stable Primary Universe (of course, this is just a model for visualization, these universes existed concurrently).
The instability of the the Tangent Universe meant it would collapse within weeks, destroying all existence with it (as Sparrow explains). Ultimately, Donnie Darko closed the wormhole by ensuring the artifact's passage through it, back to the Primary Universe (which would seem to be the "second" time it happened, but again, time travel presents paradoxes). In doing so, the jet engine was sent back hurdling toward the Darkos' house, except this time Donnie knew it was coming. Donnie just smiled, because he knew that he had restored the world to its proper state, and in doing so, saved Gretchen, his mother, and his sister (an airplaine missing an engine doesn't stay in the air too long). Donnie was only able to find the courage to accept death because he knew he wasn't dying alone. By his brief but profound relationship with Gretchen, Donnie overcomes his fear of dying alone. Recall the dichotomy of fear/love theme (complemented by the Primary/Tangent dichotomy) that was r einforced by the role of self-help guru, Jim Cunningham, throughout the film. Donnie fights this battle and ultimately overcomes his fear by finding love in Gretchen. In the end, Donnie not only saved those closed to him, but the world and all of existence. It appears that in some way he understood all of this. More light will be shed on why shortly.
Gretchen: "Donnie Darko? What the hell kind of name is that? It's like some sort of superhero or something." This was a bit of a foreshadowing. The Philosophy of Time Travel makes it clear that this movie is more than just a strange journey for one boy; it's a story of heroism and even martyrdom. Was it necessary for Donnie to die? It could be argued that Donnie could've avoided the jet engine to save his own life and still have ensured the stability of the Primary Universe, as The Philosophy of Time Travel would suggest. I suspect it just made for a better story and a better hero if Donnie were to die. Seeing Gretchen asking about who died is pretty mindblowing, afterall. It also makes it very clear to the viewer that setting is an entirely new branch of space-time.)
But why did Donnie contain the sole power to "save the world"? This question is actually answered in detail in Sparrow's book. Donnie was the closest to the artifact when it came through the wormhole. This means he must become "The Living Receiver", whose mission is to guide the artifact back to the Primary Universe. Being the Living Receiver affords Donnie a few actual "super powers", including "strength, telekinesis, mind control, and the ability to conjure fire and water", according to the book. In the case of strength, consider that he wedged an axe into a bronze statue. As for water, his mind seemed to set off the sprinklers at Cunningham's house upon finding the wallet out front. This could be considered a foreshadowing of his torching of the house, perhaps even ironic (fire/water).
Without knowing it, Donnie is being guided by invisible forces that are willing him through his mission to restore the artifact to the Primary Universe. The book also describes people known as "The Manipulated Living" that are unknowningly aiding the Living Receiver in his task. The Manipulated Living are those that were near Donnie and the wormhole when the artifact appeared. Like Donnie, they are under the control of an indetectable force (as if the Universe was willing itself back to normal, or perhaps it was the will of God?) All people, living and dead, that were in the proximity of the wormhole become unknowingly adherent to a predestiny that will restore the Primary Universe. In this sense, I think that Donnie only becomes a true hero when he dies upon returning to the Primary Universe, because all time spent in the Tangent Universe seems to be without true free will, acting under the spell of being the Living Receiver (if we take Sparrow's words to be factual).
Also affected by the Tangent Universe are "The Manipulated Dead". These people are said to be more powerful than the receiver himself, but can only manifest themselves in water. Anyone that dies in the Tangent Universe can contact the Living Receiver. Their motivation is to guide the Living Receiver in his task, because they aim to escape their oblivion (which will be finalized if the receiver fails). The mysterious liquid that seemed to pull people about can be explained as the presence of the Manipulated Dead, provoking Donnie and others around him to follow the path that ultimately will lead to the restoral of the artifact. It's an infinitely complex series of causes and effects that carry Donnie through the 28 days, but somehow all of the manipulated persons carry some innate, subconscious understanding of it, and facilitate that exact sequence of actions that will allow restoration of the Primary Universe. Clear large-scale examples of these causes and effects can be observed throughout the movie, such as Frank telling Donnie to burn down Jim's house, which ultimately causes his mother and sister to ultimately get on the plane that would fly into the wormhole and return the artifact.
As for Frank, he is indeed a hallucination of Donnie's. The Living Receiver is "tormented" by such hallucinations, according to The Philosophy of Time Travel. Frank represents a manifestation of the invisible impetus that is pulling Donnie along his path toward restoring the Universe. This is all made more intriguing given that we know Donnie Darko is schizophrenic. Furthermore, in the DVD's deleted scenes you can discover that the psychiatrist was only giving Donnie placebos, so Donnie was at the mercy of his condition during the story. This introduces an array of new possibilities, such as the scenario in which the entire movie is only some vivid hallucination of an intensely troubled individual. I think that it's more exciting to try to discern what Donnie's actually experiencing, knowing that he is both schizophrenic and under the influence of some sort of cosmic spell. Another scenario would be that Donnie's not schizophrenic at all, because that diagnosis is only made within the Tangent Universe (when Donnie has revealed his hallucinations about Frank). I don't suspect this is the case, because when Dr. Thurman asks about Donnie's new friend, she prefaces it with "Real or imaginary?". This would suggest Donnie was pretty mentally disturbed prior to October 2nd.
At the end of Sparrow's manuscript, she describes the effects after the restoration of the Primary Universe on those that were among the manipulated. Most don't retain any knowledge of it. When they do, they suffer immense pain and sometimes regret from the events. On donniedarko.com, you can discover in an epilogue revealing that Jim Cunningham commits suicide 10 days later, which seems only logical if he somehow retained some of the events of the Tangent Universe (he didn't kill himself in the Tangent Universe, so what other cause could their have been?) Furthermore, the story says that nothing was found in his house, regarding the children's pornography. These seem to be strong clues supporting the fact that the manipulated living retain at least some level of subconscious knowledge of their tangent existence in the alternate universe. In Jim's case, he was consumed with so much shame and guilt, he took his life
Not to be overlooked, are the emotional themes throughout the movie. As mentioned, themes of fear and love compete throughout the movie. Toward the end of the film there is an interlude during which "Mad World" by Gary Jules plays, a very somber piece. I think this part is a strong reminder that this film is about more than a bizarre time travel story. It really casts light onto the human experience and just how much so many of us suffer but just continue to go through the motions of our every-day lives. "All around me are familiar places, worn out faces" - this line from the song seems a perfect account of life in the Tangent Universe. "I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had." - this certainly seems like something Donnie Darko would say, doesn't it? "The tears are filling up their glasses, no expression, no expression at all." Wow, that just makes me want to run out and buy balloons or something festive....
In summary, the movie accounts a natural phenomenon, a wormhole and the formation of a parallel universe, through the eyes of the most signifcantly affected human figure involved, Donnie Darko. By virtue of some sort of cosmic law, Donnie is set into motion on a path to restore the extremely fragic, turbulent Tangent Universe back to the normal Primary Universe. The strongest actor in Donnie's life is "frank", a hallucination that has come into existence (in Donnie's mind) to aid Donnie in his task. Through the eyes of (an assumed) schizophrenic, we can never really know for sure what Donnie experienced during those 28 days. What we know with confidence is that during his tenure as the Living Receiver, Donnie finally overcame his fears of death and loneliness, finding love in Gretchen. In his death, Donnie finally found peace. In his own words,
Mooie lap tekst.quote:
Troll dit is het verhaal van Donnie DarkoSPOILERRecall that during his talk with Dr. Monotoff (Noah Wyle's character) they discuss the formation of wormholes in space-time. They can form at complete random, and the only "artifacts" that can move through wormholes without being destroyed are metal vessels of some sort (such as a jet engine...). As Sparrow describes it, "The Fourth Dimension of Time is a stable construct, though it is not impenetrable." The wormholes form as a result of this marginal instability. Bear in mind that time is just another dimension by which the universe is measured, and it is not mere philosophical fantasy to talk about it being manipulated like any other dimension (consider the observed case of time passing more slowly for one object with movement relative to another object--inconsistencies exist that are difficult to understand).
On October 2nd, 1988, an artifact from out of nowhere landed in what Sparrow calls the "Primary Universe"--life as we know it. The origin of this artifact, the jet engine, is a "Tangent Universe", created when the jet engine blew through the wormhole and into a day that had already happened, October 2nd. The artifact marks the arrival of the Tangent Universe. If you've been observant you'd realize that this introduces paradox--the Tangent Universe from which the jet engine came did not exist until the jet engine exited its domain via the wormhole, hmm. These paradoxes are inevitable when dealing with time travel. They don't fully discount the possibility of time travel, they just mystify it beyond any sort of simple comprehension. I find that it's easier to visualize the two universes if you imagine the Tangent Universe actually "happening first". After 28 days of a turbulent existence, the Tangent is erased when the story jumps back to October 2nd in the stable Primary Universe (of course, this is just a model for visualization, these universes existed concurrently).
The instability of the the Tangent Universe meant it would collapse within weeks, destroying all existence with it (as Sparrow explains). Ultimately, Donnie Darko closed the wormhole by ensuring the artifact's passage through it, back to the Primary Universe (which would seem to be the "second" time it happened, but again, time travel presents paradoxes). In doing so, the jet engine was sent back hurdling toward the Darkos' house, except this time Donnie knew it was coming. Donnie just smiled, because he knew that he had restored the world to its proper state, and in doing so, saved Gretchen, his mother, and his sister (an airplaine missing an engine doesn't stay in the air too long). Donnie was only able to find the courage to accept death because he knew he wasn't dying alone. By his brief but profound relationship with Gretchen, Donnie overcomes his fear of dying alone. Recall the dichotomy of fear/love theme (complemented by the Primary/Tangent dichotomy) that was r einforced by the role of self-help guru, Jim Cunningham, throughout the film. Donnie fights this battle and ultimately overcomes his fear by finding love in Gretchen. In the end, Donnie not only saved those closed to him, but the world and all of existence. It appears that in some way he understood all of this. More light will be shed on why shortly.
Gretchen: "Donnie Darko? What the hell kind of name is that? It's like some sort of superhero or something." This was a bit of a foreshadowing. The Philosophy of Time Travel makes it clear that this movie is more than just a strange journey for one boy; it's a story of heroism and even martyrdom. Was it necessary for Donnie to die? It could be argued that Donnie could've avoided the jet engine to save his own life and still have ensured the stability of the Primary Universe, as The Philosophy of Time Travel would suggest. I suspect it just made for a better story and a better hero if Donnie were to die. Seeing Gretchen asking about who died is pretty mindblowing, afterall. It also makes it very clear to the viewer that setting is an entirely new branch of space-time.)
But why did Donnie contain the sole power to "save the world"? This question is actually answered in detail in Sparrow's book. Donnie was the closest to the artifact when it came through the wormhole. This means he must become "The Living Receiver", whose mission is to guide the artifact back to the Primary Universe. Being the Living Receiver affords Donnie a few actual "super powers", including "strength, telekinesis, mind control, and the ability to conjure fire and water", according to the book. In the case of strength, consider that he wedged an axe into a bronze statue. As for water, his mind seemed to set off the sprinklers at Cunningham's house upon finding the wallet out front. This could be considered a foreshadowing of his torching of the house, perhaps even ironic (fire/water).
Without knowing it, Donnie is being guided by invisible forces that are willing him through his mission to restore the artifact to the Primary Universe. The book also describes people known as "The Manipulated Living" that are unknowningly aiding the Living Receiver in his task. The Manipulated Living are those that were near Donnie and the wormhole when the artifact appeared. Like Donnie, they are under the control of an indetectable force (as if the Universe was willing itself back to normal, or perhaps it was the will of God?) All people, living and dead, that were in the proximity of the wormhole become unknowingly adherent to a predestiny that will restore the Primary Universe. In this sense, I think that Donnie only becomes a true hero when he dies upon returning to the Primary Universe, because all time spent in the Tangent Universe seems to be without true free will, acting under the spell of being the Living Receiver (if we take Sparrow's words to be factual).
Also affected by the Tangent Universe are "The Manipulated Dead". These people are said to be more powerful than the receiver himself, but can only manifest themselves in water. Anyone that dies in the Tangent Universe can contact the Living Receiver. Their motivation is to guide the Living Receiver in his task, because they aim to escape their oblivion (which will be finalized if the receiver fails). The mysterious liquid that seemed to pull people about can be explained as the presence of the Manipulated Dead, provoking Donnie and others around him to follow the path that ultimately will lead to the restoral of the artifact. It's an infinitely complex series of causes and effects that carry Donnie through the 28 days, but somehow all of the manipulated persons carry some innate, subconscious understanding of it, and facilitate that exact sequence of actions that will allow restoration of the Primary Universe. Clear large-scale examples of these causes and effects can be observed throughout the movie, such as Frank telling Donnie to burn down Jim's house, which ultimately causes his mother and sister to ultimately get on the plane that would fly into the wormhole and return the artifact.
As for Frank, he is indeed a hallucination of Donnie's. The Living Receiver is "tormented" by such hallucinations, according to The Philosophy of Time Travel. Frank represents a manifestation of the invisible impetus that is pulling Donnie along his path toward restoring the Universe. This is all made more intriguing given that we know Donnie Darko is schizophrenic. Furthermore, in the DVD's deleted scenes you can discover that the psychiatrist was only giving Donnie placebos, so Donnie was at the mercy of his condition during the story. This introduces an array of new possibilities, such as the scenario in which the entire movie is only some vivid hallucination of an intensely troubled individual. I think that it's more exciting to try to discern what Donnie's actually experiencing, knowing that he is both schizophrenic and under the influence of some sort of cosmic spell. Another scenario would be that Donnie's not schizophrenic at all, because that diagnosis is only made within the Tangent Universe (when Donnie has revealed his hallucinations about Frank). I don't suspect this is the case, because when Dr. Thurman asks about Donnie's new friend, she prefaces it with "Real or imaginary?". This would suggest Donnie was pretty mentally disturbed prior to October 2nd.
At the end of Sparrow's manuscript, she describes the effects after the restoration of the Primary Universe on those that were among the manipulated. Most don't retain any knowledge of it. When they do, they suffer immense pain and sometimes regret from the events. On donniedarko.com, you can discover in an epilogue revealing that Jim Cunningham commits suicide 10 days later, which seems only logical if he somehow retained some of the events of the Tangent Universe (he didn't kill himself in the Tangent Universe, so what other cause could their have been?) Furthermore, the story says that nothing was found in his house, regarding the children's pornography. These seem to be strong clues supporting the fact that the manipulated living retain at least some level of subconscious knowledge of their tangent existence in the alternate universe. In Jim's case, he was consumed with so much shame and guilt, he took his life
Not to be overlooked, are the emotional themes throughout the movie. As mentioned, themes of fear and love compete throughout the movie. Toward the end of the film there is an interlude during which "Mad World" by Gary Jules plays, a very somber piece. I think this part is a strong reminder that this film is about more than a bizarre time travel story. It really casts light onto the human experience and just how much so many of us suffer but just continue to go through the motions of our every-day lives. "All around me are familiar places, worn out faces" - this line from the song seems a perfect account of life in the Tangent Universe. "I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had." - this certainly seems like something Donnie Darko would say, doesn't it? "The tears are filling up their glasses, no expression, no expression at all." Wow, that just makes me want to run out and buy balloons or something festive....
In summary, the movie accounts a natural phenomenon, a wormhole and the formation of a parallel universe, through the eyes of the most signifcantly affected human figure involved, Donnie Darko. By virtue of some sort of cosmic law, Donnie is set into motion on a path to restore the extremely fragic, turbulent Tangent Universe back to the normal Primary Universe. The strongest actor in Donnie's life is "frank", a hallucination that has come into existence (in Donnie's mind) to aid Donnie in his task. Through the eyes of (an assumed) schizophrenic, we can never really know for sure what Donnie experienced during those 28 days. What we know with confidence is that during his tenure as the Living Receiver, Donnie finally overcame his fears of death and loneliness, finding love in Gretchen. In his death, Donnie finally found peace. In his own words,
Op mijn bed of gewoon grond?quote:
Maar ik zie je hier nooit.quote:
[..]
Ja schat, ik loop al wat langer mee
Ik ook.quote:
* Snowbells zat ooit in een ver verleden op turnen.
Een split boven je gezicht.quote:
Ja dat snapte ik ook wel ongeveer, ik heb hem nadat ik hem had gezien teruggespoeld en allemaal stukken terugspoeldquote:
Troll dit is het verhaal van Donnie DarkoSPOILERRecall that during his talk with Dr. Monotoff (Noah Wyle's character) they discuss the formation of wormholes in space-time. They can form at complete random, and the only "artifacts" that can move through wormholes without being destroyed are metal vessels of some sort (such as a jet engine...). As Sparrow describes it, "The Fourth Dimension of Time is a stable construct, though it is not impenetrable." The wormholes form as a result of this marginal instability. Bear in mind that time is just another dimension by which the universe is measured, and it is not mere philosophical fantasy to talk about it being manipulated like any other dimension (consider the observed case of time passing more slowly for one object with movement relative to another object--inconsistencies exist that are difficult to understand).
On October 2nd, 1988, an artifact from out of nowhere landed in what Sparrow calls the "Primary Universe"--life as we know it. The origin of this artifact, the jet engine, is a "Tangent Universe", created when the jet engine blew through the wormhole and into a day that had already happened, October 2nd. The artifact marks the arrival of the Tangent Universe. If you've been observant you'd realize that this introduces paradox--the Tangent Universe from which the jet engine came did not exist until the jet engine exited its domain via the wormhole, hmm. These paradoxes are inevitable when dealing with time travel. They don't fully discount the possibility of time travel, they just mystify it beyond any sort of simple comprehension. I find that it's easier to visualize the two universes if you imagine the Tangent Universe actually "happening first". After 28 days of a turbulent existence, the Tangent is erased when the story jumps back to October 2nd in the stable Primary Universe (of course, this is just a model for visualization, these universes existed concurrently).
The instability of the the Tangent Universe meant it would collapse within weeks, destroying all existence with it (as Sparrow explains). Ultimately, Donnie Darko closed the wormhole by ensuring the artifact's passage through it, back to the Primary Universe (which would seem to be the "second" time it happened, but again, time travel presents paradoxes). In doing so, the jet engine was sent back hurdling toward the Darkos' house, except this time Donnie knew it was coming. Donnie just smiled, because he knew that he had restored the world to its proper state, and in doing so, saved Gretchen, his mother, and his sister (an airplaine missing an engine doesn't stay in the air too long). Donnie was only able to find the courage to accept death because he knew he wasn't dying alone. By his brief but profound relationship with Gretchen, Donnie overcomes his fear of dying alone. Recall the dichotomy of fear/love theme (complemented by the Primary/Tangent dichotomy) that was r einforced by the role of self-help guru, Jim Cunningham, throughout the film. Donnie fights this battle and ultimately overcomes his fear by finding love in Gretchen. In the end, Donnie not only saved those closed to him, but the world and all of existence. It appears that in some way he understood all of this. More light will be shed on why shortly.
Gretchen: "Donnie Darko? What the hell kind of name is that? It's like some sort of superhero or something." This was a bit of a foreshadowing. The Philosophy of Time Travel makes it clear that this movie is more than just a strange journey for one boy; it's a story of heroism and even martyrdom. Was it necessary for Donnie to die? It could be argued that Donnie could've avoided the jet engine to save his own life and still have ensured the stability of the Primary Universe, as The Philosophy of Time Travel would suggest. I suspect it just made for a better story and a better hero if Donnie were to die. Seeing Gretchen asking about who died is pretty mindblowing, afterall. It also makes it very clear to the viewer that setting is an entirely new branch of space-time.)
But why did Donnie contain the sole power to "save the world"? This question is actually answered in detail in Sparrow's book. Donnie was the closest to the artifact when it came through the wormhole. This means he must become "The Living Receiver", whose mission is to guide the artifact back to the Primary Universe. Being the Living Receiver affords Donnie a few actual "super powers", including "strength, telekinesis, mind control, and the ability to conjure fire and water", according to the book. In the case of strength, consider that he wedged an axe into a bronze statue. As for water, his mind seemed to set off the sprinklers at Cunningham's house upon finding the wallet out front. This could be considered a foreshadowing of his torching of the house, perhaps even ironic (fire/water).
Without knowing it, Donnie is being guided by invisible forces that are willing him through his mission to restore the artifact to the Primary Universe. The book also describes people known as "The Manipulated Living" that are unknowningly aiding the Living Receiver in his task. The Manipulated Living are those that were near Donnie and the wormhole when the artifact appeared. Like Donnie, they are under the control of an indetectable force (as if the Universe was willing itself back to normal, or perhaps it was the will of God?) All people, living and dead, that were in the proximity of the wormhole become unknowingly adherent to a predestiny that will restore the Primary Universe. In this sense, I think that Donnie only becomes a true hero when he dies upon returning to the Primary Universe, because all time spent in the Tangent Universe seems to be without true free will, acting under the spell of being the Living Receiver (if we take Sparrow's words to be factual).
Also affected by the Tangent Universe are "The Manipulated Dead". These people are said to be more powerful than the receiver himself, but can only manifest themselves in water. Anyone that dies in the Tangent Universe can contact the Living Receiver. Their motivation is to guide the Living Receiver in his task, because they aim to escape their oblivion (which will be finalized if the receiver fails). The mysterious liquid that seemed to pull people about can be explained as the presence of the Manipulated Dead, provoking Donnie and others around him to follow the path that ultimately will lead to the restoral of the artifact. It's an infinitely complex series of causes and effects that carry Donnie through the 28 days, but somehow all of the manipulated persons carry some innate, subconscious understanding of it, and facilitate that exact sequence of actions that will allow restoration of the Primary Universe. Clear large-scale examples of these causes and effects can be observed throughout the movie, such as Frank telling Donnie to burn down Jim's house, which ultimately causes his mother and sister to ultimately get on the plane that would fly into the wormhole and return the artifact.
As for Frank, he is indeed a hallucination of Donnie's. The Living Receiver is "tormented" by such hallucinations, according to The Philosophy of Time Travel. Frank represents a manifestation of the invisible impetus that is pulling Donnie along his path toward restoring the Universe. This is all made more intriguing given that we know Donnie Darko is schizophrenic. Furthermore, in the DVD's deleted scenes you can discover that the psychiatrist was only giving Donnie placebos, so Donnie was at the mercy of his condition during the story. This introduces an array of new possibilities, such as the scenario in which the entire movie is only some vivid hallucination of an intensely troubled individual. I think that it's more exciting to try to discern what Donnie's actually experiencing, knowing that he is both schizophrenic and under the influence of some sort of cosmic spell. Another scenario would be that Donnie's not schizophrenic at all, because that diagnosis is only made within the Tangent Universe (when Donnie has revealed his hallucinations about Frank). I don't suspect this is the case, because when Dr. Thurman asks about Donnie's new friend, she prefaces it with "Real or imaginary?". This would suggest Donnie was pretty mentally disturbed prior to October 2nd.
At the end of Sparrow's manuscript, she describes the effects after the restoration of the Primary Universe on those that were among the manipulated. Most don't retain any knowledge of it. When they do, they suffer immense pain and sometimes regret from the events. On donniedarko.com, you can discover in an epilogue revealing that Jim Cunningham commits suicide 10 days later, which seems only logical if he somehow retained some of the events of the Tangent Universe (he didn't kill himself in the Tangent Universe, so what other cause could their have been?) Furthermore, the story says that nothing was found in his house, regarding the children's pornography. These seem to be strong clues supporting the fact that the manipulated living retain at least some level of subconscious knowledge of their tangent existence in the alternate universe. In Jim's case, he was consumed with so much shame and guilt, he took his life
Not to be overlooked, are the emotional themes throughout the movie. As mentioned, themes of fear and love compete throughout the movie. Toward the end of the film there is an interlude during which "Mad World" by Gary Jules plays, a very somber piece. I think this part is a strong reminder that this film is about more than a bizarre time travel story. It really casts light onto the human experience and just how much so many of us suffer but just continue to go through the motions of our every-day lives. "All around me are familiar places, worn out faces" - this line from the song seems a perfect account of life in the Tangent Universe. "I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad, the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had." - this certainly seems like something Donnie Darko would say, doesn't it? "The tears are filling up their glasses, no expression, no expression at all." Wow, that just makes me want to run out and buy balloons or something festive....
In summary, the movie accounts a natural phenomenon, a wormhole and the formation of a parallel universe, through the eyes of the most signifcantly affected human figure involved, Donnie Darko. By virtue of some sort of cosmic law, Donnie is set into motion on a path to restore the extremely fragic, turbulent Tangent Universe back to the normal Primary Universe. The strongest actor in Donnie's life is "frank", a hallucination that has come into existence (in Donnie's mind) to aid Donnie in his task. Through the eyes of (an assumed) schizophrenic, we can never really know for sure what Donnie experienced during those 28 days. What we know with confidence is that during his tenure as the Living Receiver, Donnie finally overcame his fears of death and loneliness, finding love in Gretchen. In his death, Donnie finally found peace. In his own words,
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Bed natuurlijk.quote:
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[..]
Ja dat snapte ik ook wel ongeveer, ik heb hem nadat ik hem had gezien teruggespoeld en allemaal stukken terugspoeld
SPOILERDus hij was al die tijd al dood?
[ Bericht 11% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 10-11-2012 23:24:55 ]
Ik wou die film nog kijkenquote:
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Dus hij was al die tijd al dood?
Ben ook nooit in de PUB SC. Of naja, was.quote:
quote:
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Dus hij was al die tijd al dood?
SPOILERNee, hij leefde in een alternatieve werkelijkheid, dat Tangen-geduns, dat onstaan was door de paradox van die vliegtuigmotor (het kwam nergens vandaan en mocht daarom eigenlijk niet bestaan). Na 28 dagen zou de paradox een zwart gat in het universum rijten dat, en zichzelf, en de 'echte' wereld, zou vernietigen. Om te voorkomen dat die paradox ontstaat, moet dat vliegtuigstuk ergens vandaan komen. Vandaar dat ongeluk op het einde. Doordat hij doodgaat, krijgt hij nooit die visioenen en ontstaat dat alternatieve universum nooit. Zo offert hij zichzelf op om alles te redden.
Wow wow. Ik snap. Nu wil hem sowieso weer eens kijkenquote:
[..]SPOILERNee, hij leefde in een alternatieve werkelijkheid, dat Tangen-geduns, dat onstaan was door de paradox van die vliegtuigmotor (het kwam nergens vandaan en mocht daarom eigenlijk niet bestaan). Na 28 dagen zou de paradox een zwart gat in het universum rijten dat, en zichzelf, en de 'echte' wereld, zou vernietigen. Om te voorkomen dat die paradox ontstaat, moet dat vliegtuigstuk ergens vandaan komen. Vandaar dat ongeluk op het einde. Doordat hij doodgaat, krijgt hij nooit die visioenen en ontstaat dat alternatieve universum nooit. Zo offert hij zichzelf op om alles te redden.
Ik snap er geen reet van haha.quote:
[..]
Wow wow. Ik snap. Nu wil hem sowieso weer eens kijken
Hmmmquote:
Ik heb dat ook altijd, en als ik dan om twee uur in bed lig heb ik altijd spijt dat ik niet eerder ben gegaanquote:
Ik ben zo moe maar ik wil nog niet slapen.
Gaat wel moeilijk. Ik heb schuin dak en ik slaap vlak onder dat dak.quote:
Ha, dan plet ik je.quote:
[..]
Gaat wel moeilijk. Ik heb schuin dak en ik slaap vlak onder dat dak.
Spekkiequote:
Alsof jij mij plet.quote:
ja snowie is vet dik toch XD XDquote:
Juist, maar er is niets te doen dus eigenlijk moet ik wel naar bed.quote:
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Ik heb dat ook altijd, en als ik dan om twee uur in bed lig heb ik altijd spijt dat ik niet eerder ben gegaan
quote:
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Wow wow. Ik snap. Nu wil hem sowieso weer eens kijken
SPOILERperkamentus gaat dood
Jaquote:
Neeeeeeeequote:
[..]SPOILERperkamentus gaat dood
NOOO!quote:
[..]SPOILERperkamentus gaat dood
Ikquote:
Roald
Gaat je niet lukken.quote:
Ik weet niet.quote:
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ja snowie is vet dik toch XD XD
Douche jij altijd 's avonds?quote:
quote:
snowie is qtquote:
qt? QuickTime?quote:
Dus ze kan niet zoveel formaten aan?
cute jij zwarthuidquote:
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qt? QuickTime?
Dus ze kan niet zoveel formaten aan?
quote:
[..]
qt? QuickTime?
Dus ze kan niet zoveel formaten aan?
Zwart als de nacht.quote:
49 kilo's zo bovenop je.quote:
He wats dezen???quote:
[..]
qt? QuickTime?
Dus ze kan niet zoveel formaten aan?
Op die weegschaalfoto die je stuurde 48, onlangs 48,5quote:
WAT DOE JE SNOW? Ik kom aanquote:
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Op die weegschaalfoto die je stuurde 48, onlangs 48,5
Ik ben toch al plat dus welk gewicht je ook bent, ik voel er toch niets van.quote:
Dronken?quote:
Zwanger?quote:
Nee toch?quote:
Noem het kind Peter, ongeacht geslacht.quote:
Ik hoop dat het een hermafrodiet wordt.quote:
[..]
Noem het kind Peter, ongeacht geslacht.
doe narmaalquote:
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Ik hoop dat het een hermafrodiet wordt.
Pas maar op hoor.quote:
[..]
Ik ben toch al plat dus welk gewicht je ook bent, ik voel er toch niets van.
Heb je iets tegen hermafrodieten of zo?quote:
Ga maar op mij zitten hoor.quote:
Nee ew.quote:
Nee,anders kon ik dat hartje niet meer typen met mijn mobielquote:
Kinderen baren.quote:
Aangeschoten?quote:Op zaterdag 10 november 2012 23:37 schreef Ro-ald het volgende:
Nee,anders kon ik dat hartje niet meer typen met mijn mobiel
Kinderenquote:
Terechte klacht.quote:
En ik ga later werken met kinderenquote:
Jaquote:
Ik ook. In China. Kinderen daar zijn echt goedkoop en ze kunnen mooi voor mij kleren naaien.quote:
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En ik ga later werken met kinderen
viespeukquote:
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En ik ga later werken met kinderen