Crisis in Syrië #15 23.000 doden.

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 15:01 schreef mr_jack het volgende:

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De westerse media laat jouw die demonstraties niet meer zien, maar ze zijn er wel.

Gisteren was er zelfs een grote demonstratie pro-assad in aleppo

gewoon ff zoeken op youtube en je vind ze wel, de NOS zal ze je niet laten zien...

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 14:58 schreef mr_jack het volgende:

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Onrust zaaierij....

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 15:46 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

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Oh ja hoor, mensen die niet meteen geloven wat de pro-Assad kliek en media zeggen zijn slachtoffer van de NOS en de westerse massamedia Voor de zekerheid toch even gezocht, niks gevonden, dus een link or it didn't happen dude. De laatste pro-Assad demo in Aleppo die ik me kan herinneren was op de universiteit en trok zo'n 30 mensen. Precies m'n punt.

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Zie vorige pagina. Gast heeft het opvallend vaak bij het juiste eind, met het oog op wat er vorige maand is gebeurd in Damascus vind ik het geen vreemde waarschuwing.

Ben jij toevallig anabolefreak? Die hing vorig jaar ook zulke vreemde verhalen op over Hama.

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 15:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Vanwege China, Rusland en Iran.

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 16:00 schreef mr_jack het volgende:
Wat ik wil zeggen is, geloof niet alles wat er geroepen wordt door ooggettuigen en twitteraars...

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 16:14 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Het schijnt dat je 5% nodig hebt voor een revolutie.

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 15:58 schreef mr_jack het volgende:

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zoeken kun je dus niet ,

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mr_jack het volgende:[/b] gewoon ff zoeken op youtube en je vind ze wel, de NOS zal ze je niet laten zien...

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ja dat ben ik, account kan ik niet meer bij. En ik hang geen vreemde verhalen op, ik vertel alleen wat ik daar heb gezien.

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Vorig jaar werd al gezegd, Assad valt zo, maar waarom duurt dat dan zolang als hij volgens de media zoveel tegenstanders heeft?.....

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 16:53 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

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Vorig jaar hing je verhalen op die na een simpele verificatie niet bleken te kloppen. [..]

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 16:53 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:

Support van Iran, Hezbollah, Rusland etc. Inner circle geeft nog geen krimp.

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 16:56 schreef mr_jack het volgende:

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Ow? vertel me eens iets wat ik niet weet, dit is natuurlijk een makkelijke manier om iemand onderuit te schoffelen.

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Vorige jaar geloofde niemand me en heb ik zelfs mijn ticket ingescand...

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Wie zegt er dat ik pro Assad ben? omdat ik dingen vertel die je niet aanstaan?

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 17:01 schreef mr_jack het volgende:

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Onzin, als een groot deel van de bevolking Assad wil weg hebben dan is hij morgen weg.

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Daar doen Iran, Hezboallah en Rusland niks aan.

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Het momentum is er gewoon niet..

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Want waar jij de steun van Rusland opnoemt heb je aan de andere kant tientallen , zo niet honderden sancties van de EU en de USA, die de burgers! merken.

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Dus de buitenlandse invloed tegen assad is groter dan de voor assad..

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Zeggen dat er alleen demo's zijn op vrijdag zijn, zeggen dat alleen autobanden in de fik staan.

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Ik zegt niet dat je niet in Syrië bent geweest.

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Oppositie tuig en terroristen noemen, zeggen dat anderen alleen westerse media kijken, Assad propaganda recyclen, extreem geweld van Assadtroepen ontkennen, anti-assad demo's propaganda noemen, mensen die het niet met je eens zijn "massamediaslachtoffers" noemen en uitmaken voor dom etc.

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Nogmaals, er is een edit-knop.

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Volgensmij is het er sinds maart 2011 niet weggeweest. Jij zei vorig jaar ook dat Khadaffi er nu nog zou zitten.

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Inderdaad, de burgers. Want Assad's kliek merkt geen fuck zoals zou moeten.

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Leg uit.

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 17:34 schreef mr_jack het volgende:

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Nog steeds zijn de demonstraties, die nog plaatsvinden, hoofdzakelijk op vrijdag.

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mooi, zijn we het ook ergens over eens

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Ik weet niet hoe ik ze vorig jaar noemde, maar ik heb ze nu alleen rebellen genoemd

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Ik noem niemand dom, ik probeer alleen duidelijk te maken dat er meer is dan de NOS die gevoed wordt door syrian observatory for human rights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Observatory_for_Human_Rights . Een kleermaker in london die precies weet wat er in Syrie gebeurt

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Ik probeer zelf ook zoveel mogelijk te lezen, dus niet alleen RT en Addounia, maar ook aljazeera en de westerse media.

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Echter ben ik nu 2 jaar achtereen daar geweest, en tot 2x toe klopt het niet wat de westerse media brengt.

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Waarom editten? is er een schoonheids prijs voor foutloos nederlands typen te verkrijgen? bedraagt die meer dan 100.000 euro? zo nee, dan laat ik de type fouten staan. dank u voor de mededeling overigens, toch attent van je.

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Als de navo niet had gebombardeert, zat kadaffi er nu nog....

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Exactly, dus zou je verwachten dat de burgers zich tegen Assad keren. Echter merkte ik het tegenovergstelde, de haat tegen het Westen werd groter..

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Zie hier boven over de effecten van de sancties..

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Op donderdag 23 augustus 2012 15:01 schreef mr_jack het volgende:

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De westerse media laat jouw die demonstraties niet meer zien, maar ze zijn er wel.

Gisteren was er zelfs een grote demonstratie pro-assad in aleppo

gewoon ff zoeken op youtube en je vind ze wel, de NOS zal ze je niet laten zien...

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Als de hele bevolking tegen Assad was, dan kan zo'n regiem het echt geen jaren vol houden zoals dat nu wel gebeurt.

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Top Syrian Media Host Abandons Assad for the Truth

For 15 years, Ola Abbas presented the news on Syrian state television and radio. After spending months reporting President Assad's lies and distortions about the uprising, she finally became the first media broadcast host to defect. Now she sees herself as a missionary for the truth.

At about 7:30 p.m. on July 11, Ola Abbas sat down at her laptop in her apartment in southeast Damascus and summoned her courage. She then compressed her rage, which had been building up for months, into 187 words that have changed her life.

At about 10 p.m., she clicked "Send" and posted her message on Facebook. In it, she explains that she now sides with the Syrian rebels and no longer supports Syrian President Bashar Assad. She fled to Beirut the next day and to Paris a week later. Everything has changed since then.
Abbas, 38, was the face and voice of the regime. For 15 years, she presented the news on Syrian state television and radio. Most recently, she spent more than a year telling Syrians that there was no uprising, that the rebels were merely armed terrorists determined to sow chaos, that there was an Israeli-Saudi-Western conspiracy against her country, and that Assad was the protector of the country's sovereignty.

She presented all these statements to her country. But, today, she says she never meant any of it.

Her escape has dealt yet another blow to the regime, and one that is difficult to explain. The firm, smoky voice that listeners had come to love and that is now no longer to be heard on the radio is that of an Alawite who benefited from Assad's regime throughout her life -- and who is now providing insights into the inner workings of the Syrian propaganda machine.

Forced to Lie
Abbas meets with us in an austere, cell-like room in the southern part of Paris. The 10-square-meter (108-square-foot) room is sparsely furnished with a table, a bed and three chairs borrowed from her neighbor, and a bookshelf with an English-language book on it, which she cannot read.

Abbas articulates her words carefully, underscoring the sentences that are important to her by opening her eyes wide and making dramatic gestures, leaving no room for debate. She has retained her announcer's personality, honed and perfected for 15 years. But the content has now changed.

Bashar Assad is a criminal, Abbas says, a monster who is slaughtering his own people. She describes the state-owned media as his vicarious agents, both dependent and obedient. She cuts short any attempt to reproach her by slicing her finger through the air, as she chain-smokes hand-rolled cigarettes.

She says that she had made up her mind that she was against the regime within the first few months of the rebellion, especially after government forces opened fire on peaceful protestors. But she remained silent out of fear.

She drove to work every morning through downtown Damascus to the state television building. "I often sat crying in my car. The thought of having to read Bashar's messages every day almost broke my heart," Abbas says.

Like Assad, Abbas is a member of the Alawite religious minority, and thus part of the Syrian elite. Her parents were writers, and her mother, the president of the Arab Writers Union, is a firm supporter of Assad. Abbas's fiancé is also loyal to the regime.

Only close friends and colleagues knew about her plan to flee the country. It was rarely discussed, she says, and when anyone did talk about it, it was only in hushed tones in a storage room at the office, out of range of the intelligence service's microphones. The Syrian media have kept silent about her disappearance.

Inklings of the Truth
For a long time, Abbas told herself that everything would turn out for the best. Whenever Assad appeared in public, she says, she hoped that it was to announce his resignation. But the opposite happened, and things only got worse. With each new instruction that arrived in the offices of the state television and radio network from the Information Ministry, Abbas says, her conscience felt increasingly guilty.

The word "demonstrators" was prohibited in the media from the start. Soon there was no longer just talk of "people who are going into the streets to cause chaos," but also of "armed groups," "conspirators" and, finally, "extremists, Islamists and terrorists." The uprising was dubbed a "conspiracy" and the revolution a "crisis." As the rhetoric escalated, so did the conflict.

Abbas had gotten used to the fact that none of what her friends were reporting from Daraa and Homs, the centers of the uprising, could be mentioned on air. Neither could the reports she saw every day on Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya.

She obediently quoted SANA, the Syrian state news agency, which she says gets its information directly from the information office at the presidential palace. She also became accustomed to the friendly nods of the information minister, whom she repeatedly encountered in the hallways at the station. She played along.

Soon notes were posted at the station with the names of singers like Fadl Shaker and Assala Nasri, whose music was no longer to be played. At a certain point, live conversations with listeners were no longer permitted because they couldn't be controlled.

One day the secret police came and took away a colleague who had filmed a pro-Assad demonstration in way that made it obvious that hardly anyone was there. Abbas hasn't seen him since. And still she said nothing.

Deciding between Angels and Devils
But when images of the massacres in Houla and Masraat al-Qubair began turning up, images of murdered women and children, and when she started hearing reports about the brutality of the Shabiha militias, she decided to act.

She posted her message, received anonymous threatening phone calls that same evening, packed up her documents and a small amount of money and fled. Friends have sent her the bare necessities, including some clothes and the red pants she likes to wear.

She has talked herself into a rage and, for the first time, she becomes emotional and says: "At a certain point, everyone has to decide between the devil and the angels. I did it, even if it was a little too late. I was driven by my conscience, which, after all, is what separates us from animals."

Abbas is the first broadcast media host to defect. But she might not be the last. She says she knows other journalists in the state-owned media who are sympathetic to the opposition but are still holding out.

She speculates that perhaps it's because they are unwilling to leave their families or give up a relationship, as she did. Or perhaps they are afraid of what will happen once Assad is gone.

Meanwhile, the dictator is also losing support among those who speak on his behalf. In any case, few people believe what's reported anymore. Now that the fighting has spread to Damascus, Syrians know that their country is embroiled in a large-scale rebellion.

Stuck in Limbo
In Paris, after being the face of the regime for years, Abbas has now become the face of the revolution. She sees herself as a missionary whose goal is to spread the truth.

She sees Paris as a temporary solution. She doesn't know her way around, keeps getting lost in her own neighborhood, eats almost all of her meals in a Syrian restaurant around the corner, and speaks little French.
She can't go back. The secret police would arrest her immediately, she says, and she would be forced to confess, in front of a live camera, that she is a terrorist and that foreign powers paid her to harm Syria. Abbas is familiar with such videos because they're the ones that are played on state television.

She is waiting for the day when Assad is overthrown. Once that happens, she says, she wants to go back immediately and work as a journalist. "I believe that I can help my country in that way," Abbas says.

http://www.spiegel.de/int(...)ellion-a-851387.html