Spanningen tussen Iran en Israël & de VS #5

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 00:34 schreef GewoneMan het volgende:
nee die roven ons land leeg maar das ene heel ander topic

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 00:40 schreef Nibb-it het volgende:
Niet dit weer..

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 00:45 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:

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Wat? Dit is redelijk ontopic nog.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 00:35 schreef Billy-jazz het volgende:

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Jouw helden zijn degenen die land aan het roven zijn:

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 00:48 schreef Nibb-it het volgende:

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Wat heeft de kwestie Israël - Palestina dan met de kernwapenkwestie te maken? Er is een reeks van een kleine 90 delen over Gaza en de Westbank, die discussie kan imo beter daar.

Palestina & Israël #90

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 00:48 schreef Nibb-it het volgende:

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Wat heeft de kwestie Israël - Palestina dan met de kernwapenkwestie te maken? Er is een reeks van een kleine 90 delen over Gaza en de Westbank, die discussie kan imo beter daar.

Palestina & Israël #90

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 00:58 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:

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Het is eigenlijk het kernpunt van heel het conflict.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:02 schreef AryaMehr het volgende:

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Jij hebt ook geen kaas gegeten van geopolitiek.

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Op donderdag 8 maart 2012 23:28 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:
Ik zeg Ahmadinejad en Netanyahu in een ring tot de dood. Wie wint heeft gelijk dus dat betekent dat of Iran moet stoppen met het vermoedelijke kernwapenprogramma of het Joodse volk verhuist per direct naar de USA.
Deal?

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Israel won't attack Iran in days or weeks-Netanyahu

JERUSALEM - Israel will give sanctions on Iran a chance to work and will not attack its nuclear installations in the coming days or weeks, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday after returning from talks in Washington.

"I am not standing with a stopwatch in hand. It is not a matter days or weeks, but also not a matter of years. Everybody understands this," Netanyahu told commercial Channel 10 in an excerpt from a recorded interview.

Netanyahu has hinted Israel could resort to force should Tehran - which denies suspicions it is covertly trying to develop atomic bombs - continue to defy major powers' diplomatic pressure to curb its nuclear programme.

"We would be happy if this thing is resolved peacefully, if Iran decides to stop its nuclear programme," he said.

"To stop it, to dismantle its facility in Qom, and to stop enriching uranium. I will be most happy, I think all Israel's citizens will also be happy."

Netanyahu assured U.S President Barack Obama in talks in Washington on Monday that Israel had made no decision on attacking Iranian nuclear sites, sources close to talks said.

But he gave no sign of backing away from the option of military strikes.

Israel is widely assumed to have the Middle East's only nuclear arsenal but its conventional firepower may not be enough to deliver lasting damage to Iran's distant, dispersed and well-fortified facilities, many experts say.

But in an excerpt of a separate interview Netanyahu gave to state-run Channel 1, he explained Israel felt the Iranian threat was more immediate to itself than to the United States.

"There is an inherent difference: The U.S. is big and far away, Israel is less big and closer to the threat, and of course, there are different capabilities," he said.

"Therefore, the U.S. clock for stopping Iran becoming nuclear is not the same as the Israeli clock, which, of course, runs on a different timetable."

In answer to a question by the Channel 1 interviewer whether he trusted Obama's commitment that the United States would not allow Iran to become a nuclear threat to Israel, Netanyahu replied:

"It is an important statement, but ultimately our responsibility is to ensure that we do not get to a situation where we contradict what President Obama said. We must not get to a state where Israel does not have the ability to defend itself by itself against any threat."

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“We Control America…”

By: Jamal Kanj

In meeting with settlers in the “Jewish only” colony of Ofra in 2001, Benjamin Netanyahu was caught on camera explaining how he sabotaged the Oslo peace accords and bragging that: “… America is something that can be moved easily.” In 2003, Prime Minister Sharon was quoted as telling the Israeli president: “we [Jews] control America.”

Sharon and Netanyahu’s ominous declarations were proven over again this week at the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) meeting. On Monday night, unlike Obama’s, Netanyahu’s speech was attended by “more than two thirds of the [US members of] Congress.” The AIPAC convention is the largest coveted “donors’” gathering for aspirants US politicians.

Netanyahu’s ability to move America was validated once more in President Obama’s recent interview with the Atlantic Magazine and on Sunday by his unctuous speech at the AIPAC annual convention.

In the Atlantic magazine interview, the President seemed more concerned with assuring members of the foreign lobby that he was the best Israeli friend in the White House, for: “Every single commitment I have made to… Israel… I have kept.”

After elaborating on the supplementary military assistance, including the anti missile “Iron Dome” to protect Israelis and “ensuring that Israel maintains its qualitative military edge…”to shielding Israel for violating human rights at “the [UN] Human Rights Council… UN General Assembly, or… the Goldstone report.”

The President makes then a final pathetic plea to Christian and Jewish Zionists: “Why is it despite me never failing to support Israel on every single problem that they’ve had over the last three years, that there are still questions about that?”

At the AIPAC convention, Obama cited Israel more than 70 times. Yet, zilch for the US economy while pandering to members of a US foreign lobby. Other than blaming Palestinians for the failing peace process, the only significant addition to his magazine interview was an obsequious praise to the Polish native and current Israeli president, Shimon Peres who will be awarded the US presidential Medal of Freedom later this spring.

To his credit, president Obama did not succumb to demands by the Israeli prime minister to set a war ultimatum “redline” to the Iranians. While Israel, appears resolute to instigate war against Iran as the preferred option. The US military and leadership seems equally determined to leave war as the last resort option.

In his AIPAC speech and magazine interview, it was disturbing however when the US president- the country arming Israel with the best technology and subsidizing its economy annually with over $5 billion of economic and military aid (including special supplementary assistance) - still foresaw Israel as equal to the US in making war decisions. Especially, when such decisions could lead to a global economic meltdown and leave devastating impact on the US sluggish economy.

It is for the first time in US history, a US President implicitly delegates war authority- with high credible probability of future US involvement- to a belligerent foreign entity.

Realizing such power, combined with the Jewish lobby’s authority over US election and foreign policy, Israeli Prime Minister will now press further, unfettered, with his declared intention to undermine the peace process with the Palestinians.

The President ended his AIPAC address by preempting impending Republican contenders’ speeches, making one last vigor plea reminding Israel firsters: “there is no shortage on speeches on the friendship between the United States and Israel…“ however judge me by “where my hearts lies” and by “what I have done-to stand up for Israel”

Would Obama’s superb servitude credentials suffice the insatiable AIPAC? Or would Republican presidential candidates prove to be more servile to the most powerful US foreign lobby?

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 00:35 schreef Billy-jazz het volgende:

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Jouw helden zijn degenen die land aan het roven zijn:

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:30 schreef computerprobleem het volgende:

Dat is gewoon Israël. Wat een Palestijnen propaganda zeg. Verkondig die maar op een Arabisch forum of zo.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:34 schreef Billy-jazz het volgende:

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Ga slapen, kleuter.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:30 schreef computerprobleem het volgende:

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Dat is gewoon Israël. Wat een Palestijnen propaganda zeg. Verkondig die maar op een Arabisch forum of zo.

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No War on Iran and No First Strike

By Rabbi Michael Lerner:

[Note: Ad and text of ad are below this note.]

Today, our ad saying “No” to a first strike (preemptive attack) by either Israel or the U.S. on Iran, appeared in the New York Times (in the National Edition it is on page A19).

The media has distorted what has been going on between Obama and Netanyahu, representing it as Obama standing up to Netanyahu and being a hero for peace. But actually what happened is that Obama legitimated a first strike and preemptive attack on Iran, arguing with Netanyahu about the timing of such an attack, seeking to allow coercive economic sanctions to work first, but stating explicitly that Israel should not be constrained in any way to follow what it decides to be in its best national interest in regard to a strike on Iran. That’s why AIPAC gave him a standing ovation when Obama addressed them a few days ago.

Obama has now fully embraced the militarist position of George W. Bush who argued that it was legitimate for the U.S. to take a preemptive attack on Iraq based on the suspicion that they had nuclear weapons, just as Obama two months ago gave the green light to legislation that allows the US to imprison for life without a trial U.S. citizens the govenrnment suspects to be cooperating in some way with terrorists, and just as he has taken the lead in developing drone technology aimed at civilians (which Pentagon militarists say may soon be used inside the U.S.). The media ignores this significant tilt toward militarism in the policies and rhetoric of Obama, and its potential for building even more support for the right wing policies that were once considered extremist in US politics. In so doing, Obama has set a lasting precedent that can be cited by other countries in the future should China, Russia or India ever get to the point where they have sufficient military advances to use the strategy of preemptive attacks against Israel or even the U.S. The ethical foundation for this has been set by Obama’s AIPAC speech and his green light to Israel to attack Iran should they feel the need to do so. His caution of restraint is only about the timing, not about the legitimacy of first strike or preemptive attack.

The media has blocked this position out of public discourse. Our own attempt and the attempt of other peace groups to raise this issue through op-eds and public statements has been totally ignored. That’s why we had to buy the ad in the NY Times, and why we now need to continue this campaign against preemptive strikes by taking similar ads in Israeli and US media. We need your help (and your understanding that we will make these points but may frame some of the sentences differently to make the ad feel up to date by the time we’ve raised enough money to publish it in Israel and in US media). Would you help us do that by donating for this ongoing media campaign at www.tikkun.org/iran [ http://www.tikkun.org/iran ], or at least by adding your name to the 2,700 people who signed the ad by the morning of March 7. You do NOT have to donate to add your name, though the donations will help us spread this message beyond the NY Times!

Of course, if you have any influence with local or national media, please contact them and ask them to write about our perspective and interview some of the signatories. As we had indicated in an earlier note, those who gave $300 or more were listed on the ad, but the other thousands couldn’t fit on the page even if we had had nothing but names on the ad, so we had to simply give the email link and could not feature some of our important signatories like Cornel West, Rabbi Philip Bentley, Rabbi Everett Gendler and Dr Mary Gendler, Rev. Tony Campolo, or most of the rest of you to whom I’m writing this note. Yet everyone who signed and/or donated deserves the credit for having made this ad possible. And the rest of you could still help NOW by donating or signing the ad so that we can continue this campaign. Supporting this ad is a form of non-violent political action. And as we say in the ad, “The only path to peace is a path of peace and non-violence; our means must be as holy as our ends.”

If you haven’t done it yet, please send a note to everyone on your Facebook, Twitter, and your largest email lists, including all your personal friends, inviting them to sign and donate to the ad, and explaining why you want them to sign it at www.tikkun.org/iran [ http://www.tikkun.org/iran ]

So, THANK YOU for helping us take the leadership in this struggle for the ethical and spiritual well-being of the U.S. and Israel. As we say in the ad: we need our leaders to “break the cycles of violence thathave physically, ethically and spiritually wounded the human race for so much of its history.” And yet, as we say in the ad after affirming “a strategy of generosity” as depicted in our Global Marshall Plan (have you downloaded the full version of it at www.spiritualprogressives.org/GMP and read it through?), “We offer this in a spirit of humility, knowing that no one can be sure of what is going to happen in the future, but certain that what has happened in the past with the domination approach to the world’s problems has often led to worse disasters than whatever it was designed to forestall.”

Warm regards and blessings,

Rabbi Michael Lerner

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No, Mr. Netanyahu, No, President Obama: No War on Iran and No First Strike

Some of us who signed this ad believe that even a nuclear Iran—faced with the certainty that its first aggressive use of nuclear weapons would engender a massive retaliation sufficient to kill most of the people of Iran—would not dare take a first nuclear strike against Israel or the United States. Americans once perceived the Soviet Union to be equally evil, irrational, and driven by ideological fundamentalism—yet the Soviet Union, armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons, was constrained by the possibility of mutually assured destruction. The same is likely to be true of Iran should its ideologically driven fundamentalist leaders ever decide to develop nuclear weapons.

Some of us fear that electoral pressures have pushed President Obama and many Democrats in Congress to abandon the strategy of containment used with all the other nuclear powers and instead to coerce Iran into not developing nukes. We agree with the goal of non-proliferation, but believe that the only way to restrain the development of nukes by other states like Iran, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt is for the current nuclear powers—including the U.S., U.K., France, Russia, China, North Korea, India, Pakistan, and Israel—to disarm their own nuclear weapons. President Obama: show some leadership by making dramatic advances in negotiating the universal elimination of nuclear weapons contained in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty instead of only taking seriously the parts of that treaty calling for others to not obtain such weapons!

Unfortunately, President Obama made clear when he spoke to AIPAC on March 4 that he and Netanyahu only disagree about how long to use economic coercion (creating suffering for ordinary Iranians) before they revert to military attacks. Yet many of us who signed this ad believe that coercion is not in the best interests of the U.S., Israel, the Jewish people, or world peace. The only path to peace is a path of peace and non- violence. Our means must be as holy as our ends. President Obama: please show some leadership by affirming the value of non-violence even when dealing with a state like Iran. Break the cycles of violence that have physically, ethically, and spiritually wounded the human race for so much of its history. We know the outcome of the strategy of domination and violence. It’s time to use a fundamentally different approach.

Some of us believe that Israel could actually work out peaceful relations with Iran and enhance its own security and U.S. security by ending the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, helping the Palestinian people create an economically and politically viable state, taking generous steps to alleviate the humiliation and suffering of Palestinian refugees, and supporting Palestinian membership in the United Nations. Those steps, done with a spirit of openhearted generosity toward the Palestinian people and the people of all the surrounding states, is far more likely than military strikes against Iran or endless assaults on Hamas to provide a safe and secure future for Israel.

Similarly, if the United States were to apologize for its role in overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 and ushering in the Shah’s dictatorial regime, it would strengthen the hands of those in Iran who seek an overthrow of the even worse Islamic fundamentalist regime that now terrorizes the people of Iran.

Why might this work better than military attacks? Some who have signed this ad believe that the best path to homeland security is through rejecting the old-fashioned “domination strategy” of exercising power against those whom we fear. Domination strategies elicit fear, resentment at not being treated as a people who deserve respect, and then a desire to strike back. Instead we believe that what spiritual progressives call a “generosity strategy” based on caring for the other, compassion, and genuine respect for differences is likely to prove the most effective way to achieve long-term safety. The more the U.S. detaches from its previous role as the military champion of Western economic selfishness toward other countries in defense of their own global corporations, the more our influence will increase.

The Global Marshall Plan introduced to Congress as House Res. 157 by Hon. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.)—a plan developed by Tikkun magazine and the Network of Spiritual Progressives—offers a concrete vision for such a strategy of generosity. Please read it at www.tikkun.org/GMP. We offer this in a spirit of humility, knowing that no one can be sure of what is going to happen in the future, but certain that what has happened in the past with the domination approach to the world’s problems has often led to worse disasters than whatever it was designed to forestall.

None of us who sign this statement accept as legitimate the denial of human rights in Iran, the pretense of democracy, the oppression of the Bahai, the denial of the Holocaust, or the right of Iran to verbally threaten the existence of the State of Israel. Our opposition to a war does not come from support for the Iranian regime. The path of generosity outlined above will likely enhance, not weaken, Israeli, American, and global security, whereas an attack on Iran will make it hard for the democratic forces in Iran that oppose the current dictatorial regime to withstand nationalistic pressures to unite behind its current leaders against a foreign invader (Israel or the U.S.).

The signers of this ad do not agree on all of the statements above. Whatever the diversity of our perspectives, here’s what we do all agree upon:

No war. No preemptive first strikes on Iran.

We call upon our fellow citizens to

1) Send this ad to your congressional representatives, members of your state legislature and city council, and ask them to endorse the strategy of generosity reflected in the Global Marshall Plan (www.spiritualprogressives.org/GMP) and introduced to Congress as H. Res. 157;

2) Refuse to vote for any candidate who supports first strikes against Iran or any other nation state;

3) Donate at www.tikkun.org/iran or by sending a check to Tikkun at 2342 Shattuck Ave, Berkeley, CA 94704, so that we can spread this message in U.S. and Israeli media.

This ad was developed by Rabbi Michael Lerner and circulated by Tikkun magazine and its interfaith Network of Spiritual Progressives (NSP). NSP includes all religions plus atheists, agnostics, and secular humanists who support a world based on love, non-violence, and caring for “the other.” We unite people who are ready to affirm the possibility of a world based on these principles. If you wish to know more about our perspective on how to build peace in the Middle East, please read Tikkun editor Rabbi Michael Lerner’s 2012 book: Embracing Israel and Palestine: A Strategy to Heal and Transform the Middle East available through www.tikkun.org/EIP or on Kindle from Amazon.com. This ad is cosponsored by the Shalom Center (www.theshalomcenter.org) under the direction of Rabbi Arthur Waskow. This ad has been signed by clergy, opinion shapers, social change activists, spiritual progressives from every religious community, and citizens like you. You can add your name by following the instructions below. You can send us your ideas on how YOU would like to help us in building a movement along the lines specified in this ad by writing to rabbilerner@tikkun.org.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:44 schreef Billy-jazz het volgende:
Een paginagrote advertentie in The New York Times van 7 maart 2012:

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https://www.nytexaminer.c(...)and-no-first-strike/

Een initiatief van een rabbijn

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:37 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:

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Dat is/was Palestina, u bent hopelijk bekend met het ontstaan van Israël?

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:03 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:

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Dus je wilt ontkennen dat de situatie in Israël helemaal niets te maken heeft met het huidige conflict tussen Iran en Israël?
En als je dat ontkent waarom denk jij dan dat er een conflict bestaat?

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:49 schreef AryaMehr het volgende:

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Jij bestempelt het als een kernpunt wat ronduit lachwekkend is. Het gaat niet om de Palestijnen, maar om macht. Iran is niet de beschermengel van onderdrukte moslims. Die Palestijnen worden net zo goed gebruikt (misbruikt) door die shiitische geestelijken.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:49 schreef computerprobleem het volgende:

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Dat is Israël. Ze zijn weggejaagd en claimen slechts wat van hen was en is.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:53 schreef computerprobleem het volgende:
Maar wat denken jullie? Gaan Israël en de VS slechts bombardementen uitvoeren, of Iran ook echt binnenvallen en een campagne voeren?

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:53 schreef computerprobleem het volgende:
Maar wat denken jullie? Gaan Israël en de VS slechts bombardementen uitvoeren, of Iran ook echt binnenvallen en een campagne voeren?

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 02:22 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:

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Ik ben benieuwd of je ook aan de kant van de indianen staat als ze hun oude land weer terug willen hebben of aan de kant van de Aboriginals als die hun land terug willen? Ik vind na meer dan 1600 jaar hoef je echt niet meer een stuk land te claimen.
Jammer dat het schuldgevoel over de holocaust zo groot was dat ze het die Joden maar even gaven zonder na te denken wat er van die Palestijnen moest komen.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 02:17 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:

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Dus het is gewoon een machtspelletje en ook al zouden er totaal geen Joden zijn dan was Palestina nog de lul?
En jij noemt mijn punt lachwekkend.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 10:07 schreef Nibb-it het volgende:

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Je hebt zeker al popcorn en fris ingeslagen?

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:53 schreef computerprobleem het volgende:
Maar wat denken jullie? Gaan Israël en de VS slechts bombardementen uitvoeren, of Iran ook echt binnenvallen en een campagne voeren?

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 09:54 schreef BorisDeLul het volgende:
Kunnen alle Israëlhaters en moslimbashers even ergens anders de roeptoeter gaan uithangen?

Ik heb het wel gehad met die "discussie" over Israël en Palestina. Dan plaatst er iemand zijn standpunt, dan plaatst iemand anders zíjn standpunt, dan worden er weer linkjes, plaatjes en kaartjes gepost ter bevestiging van het eigen standpunt, dan worden er weer stokpaardjes, quotes en advertenties bijgesleept om het andere standpunt te versterken en inmiddels luistert er helemaal niemand naar elkaar omdat ze veel te bezig zijn met hun standpunt rond te schreeuwen.

Het lijkt verdomme wel een kleuterklas.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 09:54 schreef BorisDeLul het volgende:
Kunnen alle Israëlhaters en moslimbashers even ergens anders de roeptoeter gaan uithangen?

Ik heb het wel gehad met die "discussie" over Israël en Palestina. Dan plaatst er iemand zijn standpunt, dan plaatst iemand anders zíjn standpunt, dan worden er weer linkjes, plaatjes en kaartjes gepost ter bevestiging van het eigen standpunt, dan worden er weer stokpaardjes, quotes en advertenties bijgesleept om het andere standpunt te versterken en inmiddels luistert er helemaal niemand naar elkaar omdat ze veel te bezig zijn met hun standpunt rond te schreeuwen.

Het lijkt verdomme wel een kleuterklas.

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WATCH: Former head of Israeli Mossad: Now is not the time to attack Iran
Meir Dagan in first American interview says Iran’s regime is rational, adding: that 'they are considering all the implications of their actions.'

Former head of the Mossad, Israel’s intelligence service, Meir Dagan, tells CBS that he does not believe now is the time to attack Iran’s nuclear program, in his first interview to an American media outlet.

Dagan tells 60 Minutes’ Lesley Stahl that the regime in Iran is a rational one. When asked whether Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is rational, Dagan responded that he was.
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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 10:36 schreef AryaMehr het volgende:

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De Palestijnse kwestie wordt door Iran enkel gebruikt; het is niet het kernpunt. Jij bent ronduit het meest lachwekkende en achterlijke user die er hier in dit topic rondloopt. Je kennis is om te huilen.

Back ontopic weer. Dit topic gaat niet over de Palestijnen.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 17:14 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:
Israël en hun misdadige oprichting en verleden

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 17:23 schreef waht het volgende:

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Wat een nonsens.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 17:05 schreef Cobra4 het volgende:
Israël vraagt VS om wapens

TEL AVIV - Israël heeft de Verenigde Staten gevraagd om bommen en tankvliegtuigen. Het land wil de wapens gebruiken voor een eventuele aanval op nucleaire gebieden in Iran, zo meldt het persbureau Reuters.

Het Israëlische verzoek zou zijn ingediend in de periode dat premier Benjamin Netanyahu een bezoek bracht aan Washington, vorige week.

De anonieme Israëlische functionaris die dit bericht heeft bevestigd, laat bovendien weten dat het onrealistisch zou zijn als de VS niet zou helpen met een aanval op Iran.

Het verzoek is opmerkelijk, omdat premier Netanyahu met de Amerikaanse president Barack Obama af heeft gesproken dat er geen militaire actie wordt ondernomen. Wel willen de landen de diplomatieke druk op het nucleaire programma van de islamitische republiek blijven opvoeren.

Westerse landen vermoeden al langere tijd dat Iran in het geheim werkt aan kernwapens. Iran blijft volhouden dat haar nucleaire programma bedoeld is om energie op te wekken.

Bron: http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)_VS_om_wapens__.html

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 17:14 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:
Israël en hun misdadige oprichting en verleden

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 17:14 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:
nuchtere blik

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 17:28 schreef Doler12 het volgende:

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Lol even janken tegen de hele wereld, dat je helemaal alleen staat, maar toch even wapens kopen bij een ander land.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 17:30 schreef Nibb-it het volgende:

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 17:26 schreef killfrenzy het volgende:

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Lijkt me redelijk accuraat.

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Op zaterdag 10 maart 2012 17:17 schreef BorisDeLul het volgende:

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Mij niet.

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 01:28 schreef Billy-jazz het volgende:
Over Netanyahu's AIPAC-speech en de Israëlische invloed in de VS:

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http://www.jamalkanj.com/(...)site-Articles%29.php

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Op vrijdag 9 maart 2012 09:54 schreef BorisDeLul het volgende:
Kunnen alle Israëlhaters en moslimbashers even ergens anders de roeptoeter gaan uithangen?

Ik heb het wel gehad met die "discussie" over Israël en Palestina. Dan plaatst er iemand zijn standpunt, dan plaatst iemand anders zíjn standpunt, dan worden er weer linkjes, plaatjes en kaartjes gepost ter bevestiging van het eigen standpunt, dan worden er weer stokpaardjes, quotes en advertenties bijgesleept om het andere standpunt te versterken en inmiddels luistert er helemaal niemand naar elkaar omdat ze veel te bezig zijn met hun standpunt rond te schreeuwen.

Het lijkt verdomme wel een kleuterklas.