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Een rationeler en ander geluid van de IDF chief over Iran en haar nucleaire programma:

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IDF chief to Haaretz: I do not believe Iran will decide to develop nuclear weapons
Gantz says the international pressure on Iran, in the form of diplomatic and economic sanctions, is beginning to bear fruit.

"If Iran goes nuclear it will have negative dimensions for the world, for the region, for the freedom of action Iran will permit itself," Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz told Haaretz in an Independence Day interview.

That freedom of action might be expressed "against us, via the force Iran will project toward its clients: Hezbollah in Lebanon, Islamic Jihad in Gaza. And there's also the potential for an existential threat. If they have a bomb, we are the only country in the world that someone calls for its destruction and also builds devices with which to bomb us. But despair not. We are a temperate state. The State of Israel is the strongest in the region and will remain so. Decisions can and must be made carefully, out of historic responsibility but without hysteria," Gantz said.

Both 2012 and 2013 are seen as critical with regard to Iran's nuclear program. At his rare public appearances Gantz has taken a cautious approach to the issue - mentioning the military option, whose development and preparation he oversees, while leaving the door open to international negotiations with Iran. His language is far from the dramatic rhetoric of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and is usually free of the Holocaust comparisons of which Israeli politicians are so fond.

Asked whether 2012 is also decisive for Iran, Gantz shies from the term. "Clearly, the more the Iranians progress the worse the situation is. This is a critical year, but not necessarily 'go, no-go.' The problem doesn't necessarily stop on December 31, 2012. We're in a period when something must happen: Either Iran takes its nuclear program to a civilian footing only or the world, perhaps we too, will have to do something. We're closer to the end of the discussions than the middle."

Gantz says the international pressure on Iran, in the form of diplomatic and economic sanctions, is beginning to bear fruit. "I also expect that someone is building operational tools of some sort, just in case. The military option is the last chronologically but the first in terms of its credibility. If it's not credible it has no meaning. We are preparing for it in a credible manner. That's my job, as a military man."

Iran, Gantz says, "is going step by step to the place where it will be able to decide whether to manufacture a nuclear bomb. It hasn't yet decided whether to go the extra mile."

As long as its facilities are not bomb-proof, "the program is too vulnerable, in Iran's view. If the supreme religious leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei wants, he will advance it to the acquisition of a nuclear bomb, but the decision must first be taken. It will happen if Khamenei judges that he is invulnerable to a response. I believe he would be making an enormous mistake, and I don't think he will want to go the extra mile. I think the Iranian leadership is composed of very rational people. But I agree that such a capability, in the hands of Islamic fundamentalists who at particular moments could make different calculations, is dangerous."

About three months ago Gantz's U.S. counterpart, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, visited Israel as his guest. "We speak a great deal with the Americans. It's not on the level of a discussion, where I want something concrete and he forbids it. We are partners. We and the United States have a large common alignment of interests and relations, but America looks at America and Israel [looks at] Israel. We aren't two oceans away from the problem - we live here with our civilians, our women and our children, so we interpret the extent of the urgency differently. America says its piece openly, and what it says in the media is also said behind closed doors. It cannot be translated into lights, red or green, because no one is asking them anything in that regard."

Critical decisions

Gantz knows that in the event of another war he will face time pressures as a result of enemy operations against the home front. The IDF will have to bring massive force to bear from the outset, employing most of the means at its disposal quickly and without hesitation or delay.

Ground operations, long-distance fire and in-depth operations as well?

"I don't pretend to determine that now. I am preparing for full deployment of our capabilities. The political leadership will have to take courageous, painful decisions. There are a certain number of critical decisions in a war. The chief of staff makes about 10 of these in his sphere of responsibility in wartime, and the political leadership makes about half this number."

These decisions, Gantz knows, will be made under a barrage of rockets and missiles against civilian areas.

In light of the Arab Spring, Israel's military preparedness must now include a much greater and more varied range of arenas and possibilities.

"I don't know what will happen in Syria, but presumably the Golan Heights won't be as quiet as before. I cannot remove Syria from the military equation, nor Lebanon. I assume that if there are terror threats from the Golan or Lebanon I'll have to take action. I cannot do everything by 'stand-off' [remote]. The enemy's fire capabilities have developed at every distance, four or five times what they were in the Second Lebanon War and four or five times compared to the Gaza Strip before Operation Cast Lead, not to mention the new ground-to-air missile in Syria. I go to sleep with the understanding that what we did in the recent long and comprehensive exercises could happen in reality."

Haaretz
Oorlog is de verderzetting van de politiek maar met andere middelen - Clausewitz
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0s.gif Op maandag 23 april 2012 13:25 schreef GewoneMan het volgende:

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heb nooit gezegd dat het geen mooi land is. sterker nog de foto``s gepost in dit topic waren erg mooi, toegegeven mooier dan ik mogelijk had geacht. dacht dat het meerendeels woestijn en bergen was maar daar zat ik naast. toch wil ik er niet heen heb het niet op moslim landen :{
Leuk he?USA neocons en FOX News propagandas!! :P
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14s.gif Op woensdag 25 april 2012 20:22 schreef Aloulou het volgende:
Een rationeler en ander geluid van de IDF chief over Iran en haar nucleaire programma:

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Langzaam maar zeker begint de waarheid toch aan het licht te komen. ^O^
  donderdag 26 april 2012 @ 05:28:02 #79
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By any means necessary
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 april 2012 02:23 schreef PKRChamp het volgende:

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Langzaam maar zeker begint de waarheid toch aan het licht te komen. ^O^
Ironisch dan dat een hooggeplaatst figuur binnen de Russische leger zo ongeveer tegelijkertijd het nucleaire gevaar van Iran en Noord-Korea wel erkende.
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17s.gif Op donderdag 19 april 2012 19:29 schreef AryaMehr het volgende:

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Dat heb ik niet meegekregen. :D

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was inderdaad 'n leuk 'gebaar'. ging alleen niet om een protestatie, maar meer om ze (v.a.e.) ffuh voor lul te zetten, voortvloeiend uit een meningsverschil dat met de (her)benoeming van de perzische golf te maken had.
  zaterdag 28 april 2012 @ 00:44:52 #81
174018 AryaMehr
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Weer een (voormalig) hooggeplaatst figuur van de Israelische veiligheidsdienst die zich afzet tegen het beleid dat door Netanyahu gevoerd wordt:

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Diskin says he has 'no faith' in current leadership

Former Shin Bet chief says leaders are not fit to lead, says they mislead the public about Iran: "Attacking Iran will encourage them to develop a bomb all the faster."

Former Shin Bet chief Yuval Diskin sharply criticized Israel's top leadership at the Majdi Forum in Kfar Saba Friday night, saying he has no faith in it and its ability to lead Israel, Army Radio reported.

Referring to the leaders as "our two messiahs," a likely reference to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Diskin said "they are not fit to hold the steering-wheel of power. I have no faith in the current leadership in Israel and its ability to conduct a war."

Regarding their handling of the Iranian nuclear issue, Diskin said the leadership "presents a false view to the public on the Iranian bomb, as though acting against Iran would prevent a nuclear bomb. But attacking Iran will encourage them to develop a bomb all the faster."

On Tuesday, Netanyahu told CNN that while sanctions against Iran are visibly impairing its economy, they have not impacted its continuing nuclear activities.

"They're certainly taking a bite out of the Iranian economy, but so far they haven't rolled back the Iranian program or even stopped it by one iota," Netanyahu said. "I hope that changes, but so far, I can tell you the centrifuges are spinning."

"If the sanctions are going to work, they better work soon," he emphasized.

Thursday, Barak cast doubt on the success of upcoming nuclear negotiations between the West and Iran.

Despite the strongest-ever sanctions against the Islamic Republic, Barak said in an Independence Day speech, "the chances that, at this pressure level, Iran will respond to international demands to irreversibly stop its program seem low. I would be happy to be proven wrong."

The United States, France, Germany, Britain, China and Russia (the P5+1) are due to meet Iran for a second round of nuclear negotiations on May 23 in Baghdad.

Diskin also said Friday that political killings like the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin may reappear in Israel. "There are tens of Jewish extremists in the territories and in Israel that are ready to use firearms against Jews," he said.
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=267783

[ Bericht 33% gewijzigd door AryaMehr op 28-04-2012 00:51:15 ]
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4s.gif Op donderdag 26 april 2012 05:28 schreef AryaMehr het volgende:

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Ironisch dan dat een hooggeplaatst figuur binnen de Russische leger zo ongeveer tegelijkertijd het nucleaire gevaar van Iran en Noord-Korea wel erkende.
Ja, ironisch. Waarom? Wat heeft deze man beweerd?
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4s.gif Op donderdag 26 april 2012 05:28 schreef AryaMehr het volgende:

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Ironisch dan dat een hooggeplaatst figuur binnen de Russische leger zo ongeveer tegelijkertijd het nucleaire gevaar van Iran en Noord-Korea wel erkende.
Een hooggeplaats figuur. Wie was dat? Wanneer? En sprak hij op eigen titel of namens een (inter)nationale entiteit? En is achteraf een ademtest afgenomen? Zo ja, wil ik graag inzage in ijkingsrapporten van die apparatuur.
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IAEA-expert tijdens verkeersongeval in Iran gedood

(Belga) Een inspecteur van het Internationaal Atoomagentschap IAEA is bij een auto-ongeval in Iran gedood. Een tweede expert werd tijdens het ongeval verwond. Dat bevestigde de IAEA in Wenen. De omgekomen inspecteur is afkomstig uit Zuid-Korea, zijn gewonde collega uit Slovenië. De IAEA staat in contact met de families en de Iraanse autoriteiten, aldus een mededeling.

Volgens de Iraanse media gebeurde het ongeval in de provincie Marzaki ten zuidwesten van de hoofdstad Teheran. In de omgeving wordt een proefreactor gebouwd. Het Westen is bezorgd omdat in dit soort reactoren plutonium kan gefabriceerd worden, dat voor kernkoppen kan gebruikt worden. Experten van de IAEA zijn regelmatig in het land om atoominstallaties te controleren. Twistpunt met de IAEA blijft de toegang tot installaties, waarvan het Westen vermoedt dat er aan een mogelijke geheim militair programma wordt gewerkt. Iran heeft steeds ontkend kernwapens te willen ontwikkelen. Teheran en de IAEA hervatten maandag in Wenen de gesprekken over het vermoede atoomprogramma. Het laatste overleg in het begin van het jaar leidde niet tot enig resultaat.

http://www.knack.be/belga(...)le-4000092200296.htm
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Niks bijzonders hoor, het verkeer in Iran is moordend :P
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Report: Iran begins designing nuclear submarine

TEHRAN , Iran — A semiofficial Iranian news agency is reporting that the country has begun to design its first nuclear submarine.

The Tuesday report by Fars quotes the deputy navy chief in charge of technical affairs, Admiral Abbas Zamini, as saying Iran has begun "initial stages" of designing the nuclear-powered craft.

Adm. Zamini says Iran has developed "peaceful nuclear technology" and has both the capability and the right to build a submarine.

Iran and the West are odds over Tehran's nuclear program. The U.S. suspects it is aimed at developing weapons technology, a charge Iran denies.

Iran has domestically built several small submarines over the past years. It has recently overhauled one of the three non-nuclear Russian Kilo-class submarines it bought in 1990s.

Bron: http://www.cbsnews.com/83(...)submarine/?tag=socsh
"Any officer who goes into action without his sword is improperly dressed." - "Mad Jack" Churchill DSO MC
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Laat Iran lekker, ze voelen zich terecht bedreigd door omringende lande.
Vrijwel elk land rondom Iran heeft meerdere westerse legerbasissen.
Iran heeft geen goede reputatie in het westen.
Israël heeft kernwapens en is niet echt geliefd bij de Arabische landen.
Iran wordt al van buiten 'aangevallen' door het westen. (computervirussen, wetenschappers die vermoord worden, economische sancties, etc.).
Als je ziet wat er met Irak is gebeurd, wil je niet dezelfde toekomst hebben.

Het is nog niet eens bewezen of Iran kernwapens wilt maken (net zoals in Irak waar toen ook 'voor niks' heen is gegaan) , maar ook als ze het doen hebben ze daar hun redenen voor.

En ik zie Iran echt niet 1,2,3 kernwapens gebruiken als ze die hebben, wat de propagandamedia wel beweert. Die leider weet zelf ook dat als hij die wapens gebruikt, hij zelf helemaal plat gebombardeerd gaat worden. Het zal enkel als diplomatisch wapen gebruikt gaan worden.

Het westen kan makkelijk met zijn handen gaan zwaaien als zwakkere landen militair sterker worden, maar ik vind dat niet rechtvaardig als het westen zelf zo'n grote invloed uitoefent.
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