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Las net dit:quote:Op vrijdag 8 juli 2011 20:27 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:
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Precies. Belachelijk dit.
Kleine dingetjes als die engine mapping kun je wel aanpassen in een seizoen (al ben ik daar persoonlijk ook tegen), maar als het zo belangrijk is dat er voor iedere motor een apart reglement moet worden opgemaakt kun je beter wachten tot het volgende seizoen. En ik zie nu hoe belachelijk de vorige zin eigenlijk is... aparte regelgeving per motor om het gelijk te houden? De stap naar een standaardmotor is ineens niet zo groot meer.
Kortom, het gaat nog leuk worden.quote:AUTOSPORT understands that as a protest against the FIA concession on the Renault engine, both McLaren and Ferrari ran their engines in Friday FP2 with the same 50 per cent throttle openings as Renault. This argument could run for some time yet.
En vergeet de Cosworth teams niet. Een paar races geleden wou HRT een protest indienen voor dit gedoe. Wordt een leuk weekendquote:
2 jaar geleden nog de drama van een breakaway series, en nu dit. Silverstone is drama-central geworden
Some people should be around your entire life; others should just make an appearance.
In 2005 probeerde de FIA de dominante Ferrari van 2004 aan te pakken, toen ging het helemaal mis op indy en nu dit weer, wat een grap.
quote:Saturday verdict over diffuser issue
Formula 1 teams will be informed on Saturday morning about whether the FIA intends to take any further action over the off-throttle blown diffuser issue, after controversy erupted on the eve of the British Grand Prix.
Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner and McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh clashed in public at an official FIA press conference at Silverstone over concessions that have been given to engine manufacturers to ensure their reliability is not hit by the ban on the off-throttle use of blown diffusers that is coming into force this weekend.
Whitmarsh was unhappy that a technical directive issued by the FIA on Friday morning left the way open for the Renault-powered teams - which include Red Bull Racing to use 50 per cent of throttle blowing while the drivers were braking.
Horner responded that the decision, given to Renault on reliability grounds and relating to exhaust valves, was only fair because the Mercedes-Benz outfits were allowed to use engine over-run under braking to help with crank case pressure.
The situation rumbled on over Friday evening and FIA race director Charlie Whiting met with engine representatives for a lengthy meeting to discuss their concerns and try to find a solution that was fair for everybody and prevent a situation where other engine makers try and find grounds to justify a similar 50 per cent limit.
AUTOSPORT understands that Whiting will decide overnight if further action needs to be taken, and the teams will be informed before the start of final free practice about the FIA's view on the matter.
Horner and Whitmarsh both expressed frustration at the situation during the FIA press conference when they were asked for their views on the matter.
Horner said: "There was a technical directive which effectively turned it all off. That was obviously with reticence by the manufacturers and it has been very much a manufacture issue.
"Certain teams were then allowed to have fired overrun, to fuel their over-run, of which there are also, obviously, secondary benefits through the exhaust plumes and thrusts that that creates. But that was permitted."
He added: "It would be unfair to allow fire over-run and not allow the same parameters for another engine manufacturer. I think it's a very, very difficult job for the FIA to pick their way through this and I think all credit to them, they've looked to try and be as fair, balanced and equitable as they decreed that they would be through the technical directive, to come up with the solutions that they have.
"We're not totally happy with the solution that we have, that's for sure. I'm sure Martin isn't with his and I'm sure there are a lot of conspiracies in the paddock that these are the reasons why Red Bull is performing or McLaren is performing, or some cars aren't performing. That's just circumstantial at the end of the day. The fundamentals are that the engine manufacturers have been treated in a fair and equitable manner."
Whitmarsh responded: "When the goalposts are moving partway through a practice session, then I think it makes it quite difficult. I think that with the benefit of hindsight, it would have been better to make changes at year end which I think Christian would agree.
"I think that to do this and to do it a fairly cloudy and ambiguous and changing way inevitably, in a competitive environment, every team feels that it's been hard done by.
"At the moment, I think potentially a lot of teams will end up making an argument to cold blow. Renault have been in that domain for some time, other teams haven't and don't have that experience but we're talking about a very substantial performance benefit here..."
He added: "It's messy and I think the intention people believed was that we were going to stop exhaust blowing when the driver didn't have his foot on the throttle. I think that was the simple concept but that concept has been deflected and therefore it hasn't been clear. And the fact that these things were only coming out during the course of today is fairly extraordinary.
"But nonetheless, I'm sure we will remain calm and pick our way through but I think it's probably better to make changes to the regulations between seasons, not in season and also make changes to regulations which are clear and unambiguous.
"I think at the moment, a lot of people are clearly getting emotional about the situation and I can understand why: it's frustrating for the engineers not to know what it is that we're allowed to do, because these changes... by cold blowing you're getting 30, 40 points of extra rear downforce in braking and that's quite an attractive thing so if you can do it, then you're going to try and do it aren't you?"
Calm down, please!
Bron: http://thef1times.com/news/display/03891quote:FIA rules against Renault exhaust advantage
Saturday 09th July 2011, 09:58
The FIA met with all the engine manufacturers on Friday evening following news that Renault engines had been given special dispensation to run more exhaust gases when off-throttle.
The manufacturer, which supplies Renault, Red Bull and Team Lotus, had lobbied the FIA on reliability grounds to allow them to run 50% cold-blowing gases when the driver isn't on the throttle.
Mercedes and Ferrari were allowed to continue running hot-blown gases, but to just 10%, which Red Bull team principal Christian Horner believes is more of a benefit than what Renault has been permitted.
"Let's not make any mistake here, that firing on overrun, the thrust that that generates through the exhaust creates a bigger effect, so let's just be absolutely clear on that," he said on Friday.
However, the FIA has now revised the regulations and returned to where we were on Thursday, meaning Renault will be limited to just 10%, as will the remaining three engine suppliers - though Cosworth doesn't take advantage of exhaust gases to the same degree.
Renault and particularly Red Bull were clearly unhappy with the judgement as they believe Mercedes powered teams will have an advantage.
Horner refused to speak to the media, including The F1 Times, as he headed to the FIA motorhome to clarify the situation with technical delegate Charlie Whiting.
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Ik weet niet wat fair is in deze, daarvoor zou ik me wat meer in de technische kant moeten verdiepen, en ik snap eerlijk gezegd het verschil tussen de Renault en de Mercedesmotor niet.
Wel kan ik me heel goed voorstellen dat de FIA niet met een beslissing wil komen waar McLaren nadeel van heeft, met deze stand in het WK, in het weekend van Silverstone.
Wel kan ik me heel goed voorstellen dat de FIA niet met een beslissing wil komen waar McLaren nadeel van heeft, met deze stand in het WK, in het weekend van Silverstone.
Wees gehoorzaam. Alleen samen krijgen we de vrijheid eronder.
FIA 
2x regelwijzigingen binnen 12uur tijd over het zelfde onderdeel
Als ze nu eens goed gaan beseffen waar ze mee bezig zijn, en gewoon stoppen met die onzin. En dan gewoon pas een regel doorvoeren voor 2012
2x regelwijzigingen binnen 12uur tijd over het zelfde onderdeel Als ze nu eens goed gaan beseffen waar ze mee bezig zijn, en gewoon stoppen met die onzin. En dan gewoon pas een regel doorvoeren voor 2012
Inwoner van Verenigd Limburgia! [i]Waar in 't bronsgroen eikenhout, 't nachtegaaltje zingt.[/i]
Het meest trieste is eigenlijk dat ze blijkbaar dachten dat de andere teams het wel goed zouden vinden als alleen de Renault-motoren gebruik mochten maken van dit voordeel.quote:Op zaterdag 9 juli 2011 11:38 schreef Sinister-D- het volgende:
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Het is nog niet voorbij.quote:
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https://twitter.com/#!/Jamesallenonf1/status/89641722979680256quote:All team tech people been summoned by FIA for emergency meeting on engine throttle maps. Will ruling change again?
20 minutes ago
Blijkbaar gaan we dus weer terug naar Valencia reglementen.
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
quote:Op zaterdag 9 juli 2011 18:29 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:
Blijkbaar gaan we dus weer terug naar Valencia reglementen.
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Calm down, please!
Dat duivelse Ferrari toch.quote:andrewbensonf1
Ten of the 12 teams have agreed to revert to Valencia spec - free blowing but no change after qual. Williams and Sauber the exceptions
Oftewel: dit gaat nog heel lang durenquote:Teams en FIA bereiken geen akkoord over verbod blown diffuser
De hele rel rondom de off-throttle blown diffusers is nog altijd niet voorbij. Vanochtend hadden de twaalf Formule 1-teams een bespreking bij de FIA en daarin zou worden voorgesteld om het hele verbod op het gebruik van de geblazen diffusers uit te stellen tot volgend jaar. Er is echter geen akkoord bereikt.
Zo meer.
Gepubliceerd op 10 juli 2011 12:33
Inwoner van Verenigd Limburgia! [i]Waar in 't bronsgroen eikenhout, 't nachtegaaltje zingt.[/i]
Ik hoorde Bernie Ecclestone bij de BBC zeggen dat alle teams getekend hebben.
"A push and a rush and the land we stand on is ours" - Turrican
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Formula teams reach agreement over blown diffuser row
By Jonathan Noble Sunday, July 10th 2011, 15:50 GMT
By Jonathan Noble Sunday, July 10th 2011, 15:50 GMT
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93016quote:Formula 1's row over the off-throttle use of blown diffusers is now at an end, after Ferrari and Sauber agreed to join other teams in backing plans to ditch the ban on the concept.
Although the two outfits were alone in failing to support the offer from the FIA to revert engine mapping settings to how they were in Valencia during a Sunday morning meeting, the two have now indicated that they will support the move.
It means that the FIA will approve teams using off throttle blown diffusers from the German Grand Prix - although the ban on outfits changing engine mapping settings between qualifying and the race will stand.
More to follow.
Nou nu weten we dat hij ook snel is in een trage autoquote:
Op 
"I have my knuckles on the wheel and just go straight"quote:
Als je Vettel en de pa van Button tegen komt in een cafe, lig je volgens mij de hele avond krom van het lachen.
Calmer than you are
Vergeet Rubens Barrichello niet... dat is ook zo'n grapjas, doet volgens mij niets anders dan typetjes, vreemde talen (Nederlands, Duits en Frans iig) en rare danjes..
dat ie begon over Top Gear in duitsland met nagesynchroniseerde Jeremy 
Heerlijk stukje om te kijkenquote:
Altijd onderweg naar het avontuur
Idem, kan ie niet altijd zo zijnquote:
Ben geen Vettel fan, maar zo te zien kun je met hem lachen, leuke gast.
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