Oorlog in Libi� #93: De slag om Tripoli laat niet lang op zich wachten

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Op zondag 27 maart 2011 23:16 schreef MisterJ.Lo het volgende:

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Er is een grote maten van verschil tussen mensen die getraind zijn in het uitoefenen van hun beroep (en in dit geval vrouwen) of als burger (die nog nooit in aanraking is geweest met vuurwapens) het risico te nemen om gedood te worden.

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Op zondag 27 maart 2011 23:16 schreef MisterJ.Lo het volgende:

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Er is een grote maten van verschil tussen mensen die getraind zijn in het uitoefenen van hun beroep (en in dit geval vrouwen) of als burger (die nog nooit in aanraking is geweest met vuurwapens) het risico te nemen om gedood te worden.

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The Turkish prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has signalled that Turkey is ready to act as a mediator to broker an early ceasefire in Libya, as he warned that a drawn-out conflict risked turning the country into a "second Iraq" or "another Afghanistan" with devastating repercussions both for Libya and the Nato states leading the intervention.

In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, Erdogan said that talks were still under way with Muammar Gaddafi's government and the Transitional National Council. He also revealed that Turkey is about to take over the running of the rebel-held Benghazi harbour and airport to facilitate humanitarian aid, in agreement with Nato.

Speaking in Istanbul at the weekend, Erdogan said Gaddafi had to "provide some confidence to Nato forces right now" on the ground if there was to be progress towards the ceasefire the Libyan leader wanted and an "end to the blood being spilled in Libya".

His comments came as Nato leaders met in Brussels to finalise arrangements for the alliance - with Turkey's participation - to take over the enforcement of the UN no-fly zone from Tuesday, as well as for the more controversial air strikes against Gaddafi's ground forces.

Meanwhile, rebel forces completed their weekend take-over of a string of government-held oil towns, including Brega, Ras Lanuf and Bin Jawad, with the help of heavy coalition air strikes on pro-Gaddafi forces. By Sunday night their Their rapid advance westwards is heading for the Libyan leader's home town and stronghold, Sirte, where two loud explosions were heard.

The Turkish government, which is playing an increasingly important regional role and has the second largest armed forces within Nato, has been at the centre of the argument within the alliance over Libya, publicly clashing with the French president Nicolas Sarkozy.

Turkey opposed any outside military involvement before it began Erdogan described the idea of Nato intervention as a "nonsense" but has now agreed to participate in a non-combat role in the wake of the UN security resolutions and Arab League appeal.

His public challenge to US, British and French direct military intervention is likely to deepen Nato dissension and alarm western leaders who hoped Turkey had now acquiesced in the thrust of the Libya mission.

"We have been opposed to any unilateral action and we could never accept appeals such as that by the French minister for a new crusade," Erdogan told the Guardian, in a reference to comments made by France's interior minister, Claude Gu�ant. His government would carry out its obligations under UN resolutions. "But for Turkey, it's out of the question to shoot at Libyan people or drop bombs on the Libyan people," Erdogan said in reference to the emerging "no-drive zone" policy. "Turkey's role will be to withdraw from Libya as soon as possible" and "restore the unity and integrity of the country based on the democratic demands of the people", he added.

It was vital, Erdogan said, that "this deployment should not be carried out for Libya's oil. Of course there will be a price for these actions and no one can guarantee that Libya won't have to pay a price."

Repeatedly drawing parallels with Iraq and Afghanistan which senior Turkish officials regard as a serious risk if there is a military stalemate Erdogan said Iraq was "still paying a price" 20 years after the Gulf war of 1991. "I'm afraid we could see another Afghanistan or a second Iraq emerging. When western forces entered Afghanistan nearly 10 years ago, people were talking of it being over in days, and people said the same in Iraq. But a million have died and a civilisation has as good as collapsed. We don't want to see a similar picture in Libya."

If the conflict was prolonged, the Turkish prime minister warned of a backlash against countries now carrying out air strikes. "It will be devastating for the entire Libyan people, and the repercussions will not be restricted to Libya, but will have a direct impact on those countries that have intervened."

Erdogan added: "There is a civil war in Libya and we have to bring that to an end."

He had spoken to Gaddafi repeatedly before the air strikes and to the Libyan prime minister since, while Turkey's foreign minister was in close touch with the Benghazi-based opposition.

It was crucial that contacts were maintained with both sides, he said. "Gaddafi wants a ceasefire, this came up when I was talking to the prime minister, but it's important for those circumstances to mature. It wouldn't be consistent to keep shooting while demanding a ceasefire."

If the two parties to the conflict requested Turkey to play the role of mediator, the Turkish prime minister said "we will take steps to do that" within the framework of Nato, the Arab League and African Union. "We can never ignore the democratic rights and liberties called for by the people of Libya, and change and transformation can never be delayed or postponed," Erdogan said, adding that a leader such as Gaddafi, with no formal position, should be able to "lay the foundation for such a transformation".

Erdogan's AKP party and its programme of Islamic democratisation and greater national independence is widely admired in the Arab world, and Erdogan widened his warning to autocratic governments facing popular uprisings throughout the region: "Leaders who are resistant to change and their people's demands may find that brings an end to their being a leader."

Erdogan was also fiercely critical of European governments he said had misunderstood Turkey's embrace of "Islam and democracy simultaneously".

In its negotiations to join the EU, Turkey had faced "obstacles that no country had ever witnessed before," adding: "Never mind, we will do what we will do."

He was at pains to rebut criticism in the western media over the jailing of journalists caught up in the long-running investigation into an attempted military coup and claims that the government has used the case to intimidate sections of the press.

"These criticisms upset us very much," he said, adding that a total of 27 journalists had been convicted and jailed for crimes, including membership of terrorist organisations, coup plotting and sexual harassment. "Would that be accepted as normal in your country?"

None of these cases had been brought to court at the initiative of the government which, he said, had taken action to increase the independence of judges and prosecutors, and the efficiency and speed of the judicial process.

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Op zondag 27 maart 2011 23:52 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Gaddafi's exit strategy?

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A well-informed Libyan source told Asharq Al-Awsat that Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has held a number of secret meetings with officials in the French and British governments, discussing the idea of his replacing his father for a transitional period of between 2 3 years, in return for a comprehensive ceasefire and negotiating with the anti-Gaddafi rebels.

The sources also revealed that Saif al-Islam Gaddafi is pushing for assurances that Colonel Gaddafi and his family will be granted immunity from prosecution, and will not be legally punished in any manner.

The sources revealed that Saif al-Islam Gaddafi's plan would see him take over control of Libya from his father during a transitional period during which Libya would transform from a revolutionary state to a democratic state that enjoys public and economic freedoms.

The rebel forces are gaining strength and momentum, moving westwards towards the center of Gaddafi's support in Sirte, and the Libyan capital Tripoli. The rebels have recently captured the cities of Ajdabiyah, Brega, and Ras Lanuf, and Gaddafi's aides are racing against time to prevent the inevitable toppling of the regime in the face of the rebels' momentum.

Asharq Al-Awsat learnt that Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, who has not appeared in public for almost a week, has been in contact with officials in the US, British, and Italian governments, in an attempt to submit the above-mentioned plan. Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said that his country will present an alternative diplomatic plan to the British French plan, on London on Tuesday.

The Italian Foreign Minister said that NATO will take control of the Libyan operation no latter than Monday, saying "NATO will take over Sunday or Monday." He also revealed that he would be participating in a meeting of NATO members in London that is scheduled for Tuesday.

Frattini also revealed that he has spoken with Mahmoud Jibil, head of the Libyan National Transitional Council in Benghazi, who reassured him that the rebel council is committed to a united Libya, and will respect all of Libya's oil contracts.

Sources within the National Transitional Council also informed Asharq Al-Awsat that what is happening on the ground with regards to the conflict between the Gaddafi forces and the rebels, cannot be resolved by Saif al-Islam Gaddafi's plan [to replace his father], stressing that Saif al-Islam Gaddafi is nothing more than an extension of his father.

An official within the Libyan National Transitional Council told Asharq Al-Awsat that "this is just a new political maneuver, and we will not participate with this in any way, shape, or form. If Gaddafi wants a solution, he must leave power immediately, otherwise he should wait for us; we are marching on him and will meet him on his home territory, whether in Sirte or Tripoli."

Libyan Transitional Council spokesman Abdul Monem al-Houni told Asharq Al-Awsat that the Libyan rebels consider this proposal to replace Colonel Gaddafi with his son, Saif al-Islam, to be nothing more than an attempt to gain time and fool public opinion. He described this proposal as being nothing more than a test balloon being floated by Gaddafi, saying that in his opinion, Colonel Gaddafi has no intention of relinquishing power peacefully.

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Op zondag 27 maart 2011 23:57 schreef MangoTree het volgende:

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Ze zetten hoog in zeg.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 00:01 schreef Lagrinta het volgende:

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Uiteraard.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 00:02 schreef MangoTree het volgende:

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Dan nog. Het lef.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 00:02 schreef MangoTree het volgende:

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Dan nog. Het lef.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 00:25 schreef Re het volgende:
En schoon...

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 00:27 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
volgens mij hebben ze geen ijzergebrek in het voedsel de komende jaren in libie

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 00:30 schreef Lagrinta het volgende:

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Uranium ook niet.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 00:23 schreef yavanna het volgende:
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Twenty western reporters escorted by Libyan authorities from Tripoli to #Sirte under intense bombing are safe.

Canadian General Charle Bouchard, from NATO's Naples headquarters, is in charge of no-fly zone and naval embargo operations over #Libya.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 01:40 schreef yavanna het volgende:
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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 01:48 schreef boekenplank het volgende:

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Ja leuk, maar wat zijn jou standpunten? Behalve dat je me nogal een ramptoerist lijkt.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 01:02 schreef zoefbust het volgende:
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BENGHAZI, Libya, March 27 (Reuters) - A Libyan woman who burst into a Tripoli hotel to show journalists injuries she blamed on Muammar Gaddafi's militia was first targeted by the authorities after a protest, her cousin said on Sunday.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 01:31 schreef boekenplank het volgende:
Beste yavanna. Ik zie je in alle M-O topics posten met filmpjes en twitter all over the world.
Maar wat wil je nu eigenlijk?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 01:48 schreef boekenplank het volgende:

Ja leuk, maar wat zijn jou standpunten? Behalve dat je me nogal een ramptoerist lijkt.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 03:24 schreef WammesWaggel het volgende:
Toch gek dat men ook massaal op Fok achter de aanval op Libie staat en tegen die op Irak was, kijk ook eens dit filmpje, meer mensen valt het op.

Libya vs. Iraq

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 04:32 schreef deleriouz het volgende:
Paar minuten geleden een SMS'je van oude bekenden die in Sirt wonen, met de mededeling dat alle Gaddafi elementen de stad uit zijn en dat de mensen op straat in de lucht aan het schieten zijn.

Zo, en nu weer pitten.

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Libyan Rebels 'Take Gaddafi's Home Town'

Libyan rebels claim to have taken Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's home town of Sirte, as they continue to push westward towards the capital Tripoli.

"It's confirmed Sirte has fallen into pro-democracy hands," a rebel spokesman, Shamsiddin Abdulmolah, said.

The fall of the psychologically important position - 280 miles east of Tripoli - has not been independently verified.

The AFP news agency said at least nine powerful explosions were heard in Sirte this morning.

It comes hours after Nato finally took full command of military operations in Libya from the US-led coalition on Sunday, enabling the alliance to strike at Col Gaddafi's forces if they threaten civilians.

The transfer to Nato came as the capital Tripoli was attacked on Sunday night by what state television called "the colonial aggressor".

Sky News producer Tom Rayner, reporting from Tripoli, said: "We heard at least four explosions, about 30 seconds apart.

"They were seemingly within the city and anti-aircraft fire commenced after the blasts."

The attacks occurred hours ahead of Barack Obama's planned address tonight in Washington to explain US involvement to a confused and sceptical public.

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BBC

There are conflicting reports on who is in control in the city of Sirte. A rebel spokesman says the city has fallen into pro-democracy hands but a foreign journalist on the ground on the city, contacted by Reuters, says it is still under government control.

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Telegraph

06.51 The situation on the ground in Sirte remains unclear. Journalists in the city reported it was quiet and there were counterclaims that it was still in government hands.

06.47 A retreat from Sirte appears to allay fears of a bloodbath amid fears pro-Gaddafi forces were digging in, preparing to use civilians as human shields.

06.35 Rebel forces claim to have taken Col Gaddafi's home town of Sirte. A series of powerful blasts rocked the city overnight and a ragtag convoy of about 20 military vehicles mounted with anti-aircraft weapons and civilian cars was seen heading west out of the city earlier. Shamsiddin Abdulmolah, a rebel spokesman, announced: "It's confirmed Sirte has fallen into pro-democracy hands."

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 03:44 schreef WammesWaggel het volgende:
Dat gevoel blijft mij ook bekruipen bij de journaals op de Nederlandse TV als wij de zogenaamde rebellen zien en men ze als helden wil voordoen.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 08:33 schreef yavanna het volgende:
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Doctors in the city of Ajdabiyah say that pro-Gaddafi forces have been raping women who have expressed support for the opposition.

Al Jazeera's Sue Turton filed this report from the city, where 175 people have been reported missing, many of them feared dead.

Rape used 'as a weapon' in Libya

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:02 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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De bevolking ging ongewapend demonstreren. Ghaddafi heeft er een burgeroorlog van gemaakt.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:05 schreef Pannenkoekenmix het volgende:

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Walgelijk.. Verkrachtingen in een oorlog is natuurlijk niets nieuws, maar dat er nu ook viagra bij komt kijken.. Over tientallen jaren zal misschien viagra ook verboden worden in een oorlog.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:06 schreef pippicaro het volgende:

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Mensen komen er halverwege invallen en kennen het begin gewoon niet...
Gewone demonstratie's waarbij je zag dat mensen in stukken geschoten werden...

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:14 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Ik begrijp sinds Fok! waarom geschiedenis les zo belangrijk is

Mogguh, trouwens

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:23 schreef pippicaro het volgende:

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Ja ook een goede morgen allemaal...
op de vorderingen van vandaag dan maar
En ja idd...hiervoor hoorde of las ik wel eens iets...maar 5 min later was je weer met de dag bezig...
Nu met het internet en deze forums is dat wel even anders...je krijgt nu de kans om het goed en objectief te volgen.
Er komen nu dingen naar buiten die zonder de media van vandaag verborgen gebleven waren...en dingen verbergen kunnen ze heel goed in het MO.
Nu alleen nog een betere PC...zodra het een beetje druk wordt gaat hij hier bijna de lucht in

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:14 schreef pippicaro het volgende:

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Als vrouw grijpt dit extra hard aan...maar ik denk dat ook mannen "onteerd" worden...ook al zal een man en zeker een moslim dit niet snel toegeven...
Er gebeuren daar gewoon nu de vreselijkste dingen...om te vernederen en te straffen...

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:23 schreef pippicaro het volgende:

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Ja ook een goede morgen allemaal...
op de vorderingen van vandaag dan maar
En ja idd...hiervoor hoorde of las ik wel eens iets...maar 5 min later was je weer met de dag bezig...
Nu met het internet en deze forums is dat wel even anders...je krijgt nu de kans om het goed en objectief te volgen.
Er komen nu dingen naar buiten die zonder de media van vandaag verborgen gebleven waren...en dingen verbergen kunnen ze heel goed in het MO.
Nu alleen nog een betere PC...zodra het een beetje druk wordt gaat hij hier bijna de lucht in

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:28 schreef jpjedi het volgende:

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Ik volg eigenlijk alles vanaf mijn GSM, Wat is er zo zwaar voor een PC? twitter client en een internet browser?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:28 schreef jpjedi het volgende:

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Ik volg eigenlijk alles vanaf mijn GSM, Wat is er zo zwaar voor een PC? twitter client en een internet browser?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:26 schreef Pannenkoekenmix het volgende:

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Geen idee wat er tegen de mannen gedaan word, in Moslim-landen is er natuurlijk veel haat tegen homo's. Ik vraag me af of dat de Ghadaffi's niet tegen zal houden om mannen seksueel te vernederen.
Het aantal vrouwen dat er verkracht is de afgelopen tijd zal waarschijnlijk ook veel hoger liggen, maar als je dan kijkt hoe de mensen die er voor uit komen behandeld worden.. Het is niet gek dat ze liever hun mond houden.
Gelukkig zijn er nu in ieder geval een aantal steden bevrijd

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:26 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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in rusland kunnen ze dat ook en wat dacht je van china

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:30 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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6 beeld streams en 20 zelfupdatende pag open hebben

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:14 schreef pippicaro het volgende:

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Als vrouw grijpt dit extra hard aan...maar ik denk dat ook mannen "onteerd" worden...ook al zal een man en zeker een moslim dit niet snel toegeven...
Er gebeuren daar gewoon nu de vreselijkste dingen...om te vernederen en te straffen...

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 10:57 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Sirt lijkt toch nog niet ingenomen te zijn of iig niet meer, schijnbaar zijn de anti's momenteel ter hoogte van al-Nawfaliyah.

Evan Hill

AFP: Rebel advance halted 85 miles east of Sirte. AJA: Showing live pics of fighting in al-Nawfaliyah.

AJA reports rebels had advanced closer to Sirte, to an area called Red Valley around 30km away, and found it mined.

@khadijapatel That was before they later withdrew to Nawfaliyah, 85 miles away.

Telegraph

08.56 Reporters are now being taken around Sirte by Libyan government minders showing the authorities apparently still in control. Although police and military are visible on the streets there is little sign of fighting.

09.41 The Daily Telegraph's Damien McElroy, in Tripoli, says claims of the fall of Sirte appear to be premature.

Reports from Muammar Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte suggest the town remains loyal to the regime despite rebel claims it had fallen without resistance.

Loyalists are parading in the streets waving Gaddafi's Green flag, troops in camouflage uniforms are heavily deployed and wide avenues of the city are under the control of local volunteers.

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NOS 09.46 uur: 'Geen teken van opstandelingen'

Een verslaggever van het persbureau Reuters zegt dat hij nog geen tekenen heeft gezien dat de opstandelingen Sirte hebben ingenomen. "Alles is nog normaal, van wat ik heb gezien", zei de man, die door de regering op een tour door de stad was genomen. Hij zag wel wat agenten en militairen, maar van gevechten was geen sprake.

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NRC........Onduidelijkheid of Sirte daadwerkelijk is veroverd

Op dit moment is er nog geen bevestiging van de inname van Sirte door de rebellen. Er komen verschillende berichten binnen. Een journalist van Reuters meldt vanuit die stad dat er nog geen teken is van een herovering door opstandelingen. Een correspondent van Al Jazeera meldt dat ze een opstandeling sprak die zegt bij de verovering van de stad te zijn geweest. Persbureau AFP schrijft dat de opmars van de rebellen zon 140 kilometer voor Sirte, bij Ben Jawad, is gestuit door pro-Gaddafi troepen................

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Businessman says Gaddafi entourage keen to stop fighting

Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:50pm GMT

* Entourage members open to "interim government" - Tamraz

* They recognize Gaddafi would have to give up power

* Peace feelers sent out by Gaddafi's eldest son

By Mark Hosenball

WASHINGTON, March 27 (Reuters) - Senior figures close to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi are keen to agree a ceasefire and peace deal with rebels trying to oust him, according to a businessman who says he has talked to Gaddafi's entourage.................( meer @ link )

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 11:30 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
PLZ RT #Gaddafi soldiers abusing prisoners @AJArabic @AJEnglish @UN #Libya

Gaddafi Soldiers Abusing Prisoners (ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

about 1 hour ago via web (alleen met link te bekijken )

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 11:35 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Dat ze gebakken worden.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 03:24 schreef WammesWaggel het volgende:
Toch gek dat men ook massaal op Fok achter de aanval op Libie staat en tegen die op Irak was, kijk ook eens dit filmpje, meer mensen valt het op.

Libya vs. Iraq

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10:59am

An account from an opposition fighter in Wadi al Ahmar [the Red Valley], 90-100km east of Sirte, indicates that pro-Gaddafi forces are "beyond the hills" of the valley.

He said that typically fighters will send scout teams up to 10km ahead of the main opposition force. The scouts will then report back to their commanders with the main force.

10:54am

Reuters reports that a "steady stream of [opposition fighters] in 4x4 pick-ups mounted with machineguns" has been seen heading towards Sirte.

"We heard from Benghazi that the rebels are in Sirte, but it is not for sure because Gaddafi's soldiers are firing rockets from Sirte," Mohamed, a 23-year-old fighter, told Reuters.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 11:37 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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_{ik snap je ff niet}

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 11:45 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Dat ze gebombardeerd mogen worden die soldaatjes.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 11:50 schreef ioko het volgende:

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Ja, erg leuk.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 09:35 schreef pippicaro het volgende:

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Ik vond dit ook een heel moedige vrouw, echt respect dat ze dit durfde, ik hoop dat we haar snel weer zien.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 12:07 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Het zijn geen lieverdjes en verdienen niets beter. Zie je zelf niet hoe ze massaal aan het moorden zijn?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 12:11 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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uhm ..die "gevangen " zijn i.i.g. geen pro's ... dan gaan die ook mee de lucht in , is dat wat je wil ? van mij mogen de militaire konvooi's die indd. op weg zijn naar nieuwe slachtpartijen , gebombardeerd worden , maar niet op het moment dat er duidelijk "burgers etc. "aanwezig zijn ... ..

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 12:14 schreef rakotto het volgende:

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Tuurlijk wil ik die gevangen niet dood hebben. En ja, ik doelde erop dat wanneer zij geen burgers bij zich hebben.

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Qatar Recognizes Libyan National Transition Council


Article Date: 12:15 2011/03/28

Article ID: 0021

Doha, March 28 (QNA) - The State of Qatar has decided to recognize Libyan National Transition Council as the sole legitimate representative of the Libyan people. This came in a statement given by an official source at the Foreign Ministry to Qatar News Agency (QNA). The source confirmed that this recognition stems from the conviction that the Council, including all of its representatives in various areas in Libya, has practically become the representative of Libya and its people, adding that it also stems from the acceptance attached by the Libyan people to the Council. (QNA) M A

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 12:30 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Ali Hashem

Skirmishes along the front line. Coalition planes striked Gaddafi Forces in "Al-Wadi Al-Ahmar" 90km from Sirte

Evan Hill

On heels of recognizing oppo, Qatar hosts new sat channel, #Libya TV, donating local channel's studio and technical staff http://ow.ly/4nBDU

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 12:46 schreef yavanna het volgende:
ChangeInLibya

The news of Sirte falling came after a scout group went all the way to Sirte at 2am last night without resistance, G soldiers hid.

Gaddafi soldiers hid from the scout group and then appeared this morning when revolutionaries tried to advance

alihashem

To all who are asking Sirte didn't fall till now, and revolutionists are fighting a fierce battle with Gaddafi brigades.

Telegraph

Qatar has become the first Arab nation to recognise the rebel Libyan National Council as the sole legitimate representative of the Libyan people, the Qatari state news agency is reporting. The news comes a day after a senior Libyan rebel official said Qatar had agreed to market crude oil produced from east Libyan fields that are no longer in the control of Gaddafi.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 12:17 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

Qatar Recognizes Libyan National Transition Council
van de Qatar state news agency

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 12:53 schreef Renaldo het volgende:
vraag me eigenlijk hoeveel huurlingen ghaddaffi nu echt heeft.... trouwens zullen er aan de kant van de rebellen ook wel een hoop buitenlandse vrijwilligers meevechten.

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dovenews
Misrata #FreedomFighter Spokesperson! Snipers are from #Mali, #Nigeria, #Mauritania, #Colombia & some other #Arab countries. #libya

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 12:55 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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maar aan de kant van de rebellen denk ik dat er amper buitenlanders zijn ( coalitie niet meegerekend he )

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:01 schreef Renaldo het volgende:

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er zullen altijd op geweldbeluste sympathisanten bij de rebellen zijn....

vraag me wel af hoe dat dan gaat bij ghadaffi, zullen die malinezen, nigerianen dan wat cash krijgen of geven ze gewoon hun bankrekeningnummer op....

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:05 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:
Die huurlingen krijgen cash. Veel van de gevangen genomen huurlingen lieten het geld zien dat ze hadden gekregen en vaak bleek het vals te zijn

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:05 schreef Frikandelbroodje het volgende:
Die huurlingen krijgen cash. Veel van de gevangen genomen huurlingen lieten het geld zien dat ze hadden gekregen en vaak bleek het vals te zijn

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:06 schreef Renaldo het volgende:

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hmmm en gratis condooms en viagra? Eerlijk gezegd denk ik dat die huurlingen niets meer en minder dan dollartekens zien en nauwelijks getrainde professionals zijn.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:02 schreef Slayage het volgende:
hoe maak ik nou een link van een facebook filmpje?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:01 schreef Renaldo het volgende:

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er zullen altijd op geweldbeluste sympathisanten bij de rebellen zijn....

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:07 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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lukt volgens mij niet , je kan alleen de url hier droppen. ( toch?)

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:02 schreef Slayage het volgende:
hoe maak ik nou een link van een facebook filmpje?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:19 schreef pippicaro het volgende:

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Net boven in het typvenster zie je een icoontje van Youtube..daarop klikken en dan de internetpagina kopieren (http://...... ) en dan tussenin plakken

oooo facebook....

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:18 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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vraag me af wat hier besproken wordt

http://www.facebook.com/v(...)98230226131&comments

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 11:30 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
PLZ RT #Gaddafi soldiers abusing prisoners @AJArabic @AJEnglish @UN #Libya

Gaddafi Soldiers Abusing Prisoners (ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

about 1 hour ago via web (alleen met link te bekijken )

Story by the individual who took this video, here's his story:

He volunteered in Tripoli. He, and others, were taken to Sirt. For 3 days they lived a life of luxury. Food, music, late nights, women, marijuana, etc. After 3 days there were organized into a convoy and armed, and headed east, presumably towards Ajdabiyah. On this road trip some videos were being shared of previous days. The video is one such video.

At one point, they received an order to stop and immediately leave their vehicles and take cover. Minutes later the convoy was bombed entirely (by coalition). Some at the front of the convoy were fatally injured. It was apparently horrific. The majority volunteers were hysterical at what they saw. They had to walk for miles and miles back to sirt.

Back at sirt they regrouped and Moatasim Gaddafi gave a speech telling them they were brave and heroes (this is confirmation of the reports that Mutasm is in Sirt and is now supreme commander of the armed units). There was word that they were organizing another convoy to send. The contact who passed on the video was distraught. He didn't want to go. Apparently there were crying men begging not to go. His uncle is a general so he was able to be put on "messenger" duty and was sent to Tripoli, where he went straight home.

The gaddafi forces were making the prisoners say "we are aljazeeras dogs" as well as other things, so the media will perhaps find it interesting.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:18 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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vraag me af wat hier besproken wordt

http://www.facebook.com/v(...)98230226131&comments

Gaddafi Soldiers Abusing Prisoners (ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:26 schreef pippicaro het volgende:

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op youtube staat er een vertaling bij...

Gaddafi Soldiers Abusing Prisoners (ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:38 schreef jpjedi het volgende:

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Vreemd genoeg zie ik geen subs op youtube.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 12:17 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:42 schreef Hans_van_Baalen het volgende:

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Tweede land dat de oppositie erkend. Het is uiteindelijk te verwachten van iedereen in de coalitie voor de NFZ, maar is nu door formaliteit officieel, van een Arabische Emiraat nog wel. Qatar steunt oa de nieuwe televisiezender die vanuit de oppositie komt, en stuurt jets.

Ben benieuwd of dit oprecht is (lijkt van wel), en de steun aan de oppositie onvoorwaardelijk is, of dat ze gewoon een wit voetje willen halen bij het westen ivm bijvoorbeeld WK.

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The Revolution Will Soon Be Televised
Free Libya gets its own satellite channel, hosted by -- you guessed it -- Qatar.

BY BLAKE HOUNSHELL | MARCH 28, 2011

DOHA, QatarFor the first time in its history, Libya is getting its own independent satellite channel.
A group of Libyans from abroad and inside the country is setting up the new station to broadcast news and commentary about Libya for a Libyan audience, with the aim of countering Libyan state propaganda and promoting dialogue about the country's future after Muammar al-Qaddafi, the brutal leader whose four-plus decades in power appear to be drawing to a rapid close.

The channel, to be called simply Libya TV, launches this week in Doha after less than two weeks of hurried preparation. Its founder is the avuncular Mahmud Shammam, a well-known Libyan expatriate journalist who edits Foreign Policy's Arabic edition.

Libya TV's initial team of 19 young staffers was assembled partly over Facebook, Shammam says. In mid-March, he put out a call for volunteers on his page and immediately got more than 200 requests to join. "One woman even said her life would mean nothing if she did not participate," Shammam told me. Another new staffer left Ajdabiya, an eastern city that until the last few days was occupied by Qaddafi's fighters, to join the network in Doha. The channel had to buy him a new set of clothes when he arrived.

Shammam, a staunch secularist, has long been an outspoken critic of Qaddafi's regime, dating back to his days as a student activist at Michigan State University, where he squared off against Qaddafi supporters led by Musa Kusa, now the regime's foreign minister and a key member of its inner circle. ("He's not stupid," Shammam says of Kusa. "He knows the regime is collapsing.")

Returning home to Libya after college, Shammam got into trouble after participating in the January 1976 student demonstrations in Benghazi, and left the country in March of that year, never to return. He has spent the years since as a journalist and activist, with stints at a number of different outlets, including nearly 10 years at the helm of Newsweek's Arabic edition. He's a frequent guest on Al Jazeera, where he was a board member for four years, and is close to Libyan opposition leaders both in and outside the country.

For the first month, Shammam hopes to broadcast four hours of original programming each day, including a 20-minute news bulletin and a half-hour talk show, and then extend it thereafter. He is keen to give Libya's young people, who have been at the forefront of the uprising, a prominent voice at the station. "The youth who liberate Libya can run it," he says. "If we don't let them take responsibility now, we're going to be in trouble."

According to Mohamed al-Akari, the new station's Tripoli-born manager, Libya TV has set up a studio in Benghazi and another in London, in addition to its headquarters in Doha, and has correspondents throughout Libya.

While editorially independent, the channel could prove an important outlet for the revolutionaries, especially if the drama of the uprising fades and the conversation shifts to less visually gripping topics like constitutional reform, political development, and education. International coverage of Tunisia and Egypt has dropped precipitously in the wake of the respective departures of Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali and Hosni Mubarak.

In the early days of the uprising, Libyans set up the National Transitional Council (NTC), a body describing itself as "the political face of the revolution." The purpose of the council, a senior NTC representative told me, was to combat the regime's message that a post-Qaddafi Libya would mean chaos, tribalism, and civil war, as well as to "liberate our country, to speak to the world in one voice, and to mobilize support for the resistance."

One of the key challenges of a post-Qaddafi Libya will be combating the years of "indoctrination" Libyan children faced, he told me, noting the wide gulf between a highly educated, worldly diaspora that is eager to help rebuild the country and a bruised, battered population inside Libya that has known only Qaddafi for 42 years.

"We need a heavy dosage of dialogue," says Shammam, speaking for the new satellite channel. "We want Libyans to think about the future: the rule of law, civil society, a new constitution. We want to promote a culture of forgiving."

Libya TV is being funded primarily by donations from Libyan businessmen abroad, including one $250,000 contribution from a wealthy Libyan donor in Britain. The state of Qatar, in addition to agreeing to host the network on its soil, has turned over the facilities and technical staff of Al-Rayyan, a local channel focused on cultural programming.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:38 schreef jpjedi het volgende:

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Vreemd genoeg zie ik geen subs op youtube.

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Libyan rebels advance on Muammar Gaddafi's home town
Rebel-held Benghazi celebrates reports of the fall of Gaddafi's birthplace Link to video

Libyan rebels are advancing on Muammar Gaddafi's home city, Sirte, after retaking all the ground lost in earlier fighting as government forces broke up and fled under western air strikes.

Revolutionary forces rapidly moved more than 150 miles west along Libya's coastal road, seizing several towns without resistance, as the first witness accounts emerged of the devastating effect on Gaddafi's army and militia of the aerial bombardment that broke their resistance at Ajdabiya on Saturday.

A Libyan rebel spokesman said Sirte had been captured by the rebels on Monday morning, but there is no sign the city has fallen. Sirte marks the boundary between the east and west of Libya and has great symbolic importance as Muammar Gaddafi's hometown.

The area was quiet after heavy bombardment from the pre-dawn hours and there was no sign it had been taken by the Benghazi-based rebels advancing from the east. It is rumoured that the outskirts have been planted with landmines.

Rebels retook the important oil towns of Brega, Ras Lanuf and Ben Jawad, and continued on the open desert road towards Sirte, about 95 miles away.

A doctor treating wounded government soldiers described hundreds of deaths, terrible injuries and collapsing morale.

Two loud explosions were heard on Sunday night near Sirte. It was not immediately clear what had been hit but local people said a military installation in the city was bombed on Saturday night – one of many targeted across the country in a week of coalition strikes. Soldiers manning a mobile radar station on the outskirts of the city looked nervous as night fell and aircraft were heard overhead.

Large numbers of armed men, militiamen as well as regular soldiers, were on the streets and there was less of the exuberant defiance and loyal pro-Gaddafi slogans of the sort heard constantly in Tripoli.

Travelling eastwards from the capital, the war feels closer. In Bani Walid, south of Tripoli, tank transporters carrying dirty armoured fighting vehicles drew a small crowd, and an appreciative volley of machine gun fire. Other Libyan army vehicles moved west along the main road, including some heavy tanks – Soviet-made T-72s – but there were no signs of large-scale movement.

Everywhere, there are long queues at petrol stations, sometimes with hundreds of vehicles stretching down the road as they wait. At one queue, drivers were relieved when a tanker finally delivered a load of fuel, but then reacted with frustration when there was no electricity to operate the pumps.

As well as its political significance as Gaddafi's birthplace, Sirte is seen as important to his defence of Tripoli, the capital, which is now less than 300 miles from the rebels' frontline. Control of the oil terminals at Brega and Ras Lanuf is in itself a major gain because it could bring the rebel administration significant revenue from exports if production resumes. Rebels moved unchallenged along a road littered with evidence of the air campaign and the speed of their enemies' retreat. The blackened carcasses of tanks, armoured vehicles and military trucks were pushed to the side of the road.

In their hurried retreat from Ras Lanuf, government forces abandoned piles of ammunition. They included grey wooden boxes containing rockets but stamped as holding "parts of bulldozer", manufactured in North Korea. In Bin Jawad, residents said a destroyed municipal building had been hit by an air strike. The rebels forced captured Gaddafi fighters on to buses and drove them to Benghazi.

Witnesses described the bombing's devastating effects on his forces.

A doctor at the hospital in Ras Lanuf, which treated most of the government soldiers wounded in the coalition air raids on Ajdabiya and the road from Benghazi, described hundreds of casualties, breaking morale and many soldiers faking injuries to escape the assault.

The doctor – who wished to be identified only by his first name, Abdullah – had responded to a call from Gaddafi's government for medical personnel to go to the front two weeks ago. Today, he accidentally found himself on the rebel side of the line.

"The first days, Gaddafi's forces had very high morale and they came in large numbers, thousands. There were the army soldiers and then the volunteers in the militia," he said.

"They were fighting the rebels, no problem, and winning. But then came the bombing [by coalition air strikes]. The first day we had 56 seriously wounded. To the head, the brain, lost arms and legs. Soldiers with a lot of shrapnel in them. It was like that every day after."

Abdullah said all the wounded were on the Gaddafi side, with about two-thirds being those injured in the bombing of Ajdabiya where there were days of fighting as government forces blocked the rebel advance.

The doctor said he did not know how many soldiers were killed in the air strikes, because the bodies were taken from the battlefield for burial.

"The soldiers who came to the hospital told me there were 150 dead just on the first day of the bombing. After that, there were fewer because they hid," he said.

"It started to have a big effect on their morale. They said they could fight the rebels but not the planes. In recent days, many of the soldiers were trying to find excuses to leave the front. Ten to 20 a day came to the hospital pretending they were injured, asking for a medical certificate. They didn't have any physical injuries, but I gave it [a certificate] to them."

Abdullah was sceptical about rebel accusations that many were foreign mercenaries. He said he had not see anyadded it was possible that some of the soldiers were not Libyan.

But he did say that Gaddafi's forces had systematically maltreated the civilian population, particularly those suspected of coming from the de facto rebel capital of Benghazi and other towns in the east under the revolutionaries' control.

"There was bad treatment of the civilians. One patient came here who had been trying to escape Ajdabiya with his family. The government army shot him in the leg," he added.

"The idea I got from civilians who came to the hospital is that things were very bad for them. They were beaten. Some said their family members had disappeared. They didn't know if they were killed."

Some of Gaddafi's forces were billeted in the el-Adeel hotel, in Ras Lanuf, which they looted as they fled, taking mattresses and televisions and levering open cash machines in the lobby. On walls across the town they sprayed in green paint three words: "God, Gaddafi, Libya."

Beyond Sirte lies the large town of Misrata, most of which is in rebel hands after an attempt by Gaddafi to retake it was driven off by air strikes. Government forces kept up their shelling at the weekend, although residents said it was considerably less intense than a week ago, after 12 hours of aerial bombardment by western planes destroyed more than 20 tanks and drove Gaddafi's forces to the edge of the town.One rebel, Sami, told Reuters by telephone that pro-Gaddafi forces had fought with rebels in Misrata. "All day long we heard clashes between rebels and Gaddafi forces in the area of Tripoli Street, in the city centre," he said. "We heard tanks, mortars and light weapons being used."

Misrata is the only big rebel stronghold left in the west of Libya and is cut off from the main rebel force fighting Gaddafi's troops in the east.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:40 schreef pippicaro het volgende:

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eerst klikken dat je op youtube wil kijken en op youtube op " volledige beschrijving weergeven " klikken...

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:49 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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For English subtitles, make sure "CC" button on playback bar is RED (on).

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:58 schreef Hans_van_Baalen het volgende:
#LibyaFeb17_com LibyaFeb17.com / source: AJE
Revolutionary scouts find road to Sirt heavily land mined - #libya #feb17 - bit.ly/gMw91n

tegenstrijdig met een eerder bericht dat de hele weg tot aan Sirte open zou liggen.

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Revolutionary scouts find road to Sirt heavily land mined
_{Posted on March 28, 2011}

General Hamdi Hassi, an opposition commander in the town of Bin Jawad says that while taking Sirte will not be easy, NATO airstrikes have evened the scales between the pro- and anti-government forces.

He says that fighting was ongoing in Nawfaliya, about 100km from Sirte, and scouting parties had found the road towards the Gaddafi stronghold to be heavily mined.

He says that the current opposition strategy is to combine military assault with attempts to win over local tribes who are still loyal to Gaddafi.

Speaking to the Associated Press, he said:

Sirte will not be easy to take. Now because of NATO strikes on [the government's] heavy weapons, were almost fighting with the same weapons, only we have Grad rockets now and they dont Theres Gaddafi and then theres circles around him of supporters, each circle is slowly peeling off and disappearing. If they rise up it would make our job easier.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:52 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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en wat dat mg betekenen weet ook niemand, ik ken iig geen youtube filmpjes, waar je subtitles aan en uit kan zetten, waarschijnlijk bedoelen ze transcript ipv subtitles

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:58 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Zal wel schone schijn zijn, maar ok. Vanochtend was Eman Al Obeidi nog steeds niet vrij.

NicRobertsonCNN

Rixos Hotel staff in Tripoli say two colleagues fired over the incident with #EmanAlObeidi

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:55 schreef Hans_van_Baalen het volgende:
13.35 uur: Beelden van het slagveld
Een televisieploeg van de Noorse omroep NRK heeft een kijkje genomen op het slagveld even buiten de stad Ajdabiya. Tussen de gebombardeerde tanks en uitgebrande jeeps ruimen inwoners van de plaats zo goed en zo kwaad als het gaat de lijken van gesneuvelde militairen op. De lichamen worden afgevoerd in pick-uptrucks.

http://nos.nl/l/tcm:5-928209/

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 14:23 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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er is ook een wiki pagina over haar . die zegt nog steeds dit ;
Current location
No journalists have spoken to Obeidi since her supposed release on March 27, 2011
( maar ik zie daar ook nog niet het verhaal over haar moeder in , wel geupdate voor het laatst om This page was last modified on 28 March 2011 at 11:36. )

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 14:15 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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niet , je kan met cc de titels in het scherm aan / uit zetten .. probeer maar eens ..
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(sorry ik heeel slecht in paint LOL )

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News, the way the Libyan authorities want it to be reported

Channel 4 News correspondent reveals the frustrations and restrictions faced by the foreign press pack

The al-Nasr Hotel Tannoy is piped into every room so you can't escape. It's Moussa again Moussa Ibrahim the ubiquitous, articulate but increasingly stressed Libyan government spokesman. He's got a PhD in Media Studies, he says, from "Royal Holloway University".

"All journalists to gather for bus trip to Bani Walid. You will meet members of the Warfallah tribe and some of the families of those killed in the bombing. The bus will be leaving in half an hour. You will be back in Tripoli early in the afternoon," he says.

The bus trips get to you, though. We're herded around like goats, usually to places we don't want to go in which the Libyan government fails to produce a shred of evidence of the civilian casualties it claims are mounting as a result of the coalition air and missile strikes.

Slowly, 50 recalcitrant, increasingly sceptical journalists file aboard the big blue Mercedes bus. Two-and-a-half hours go by. A big checkpoint, with buses full of soldiers heading in the opposite direction. We turn into a residential sidestreet and stop outside an ordinary-looking house. This is it?

Everybody files out, and straight into the tiny front yard, where women in black burqas are ululating and a group of Gaddafi-lovers are waving their AKs and chanting: "Allah, Muammar, Libya, ubess." God. Muammar. Libya. Only.

I approach an important-looking sheikh in a black hat and flowing gown. He's from the Warfallah tribe, the biggest in Libya. Rumour had it, they'd switched sides and turned on Gaddafi.

"No, no, no, this is not true," the sheikh says. He writes his name in my notebook. Dr Khallaf Mansour. He's a physicist, he says. "I received my doctorate in Washington DC. You must report the truth."

"Why are we here?" I ask him.

"I don't know," he says. "This is not my problem. It is your problem." He was right: we were in the middle of nowhere and the assembled foreign press corps quickly agreed that this was not a story. We had a problem.

Later, we clamber off the bus straight into what appeared to be a staged protest. The demonstration seems to have been entirely choreographed. The government minder in charge of today's operation, a woman in a purple dress called Aisha, is leading the chanting and shouting and whipping up the crowd. She smiles as she does so and does not mind being filmed.

When you see entire schools whose pupils have all been apparently shepherded out to shout and scream and wave green scarves and Gaddafi pictures at our passing blue bus, the only comparison that comes to mind is North Korea.

We leave the mayhem and climb back aboard, expecting to head back to Tripoli. If we left now, we would just about be in time to put together a TV report for tonight. But our minders have other plans. "Now you must enjoy Libyan hospitality. We have lunch." We tried remonstrating, to no effect. Lunch took an hour.

Then we were to be taken across town to the house of a retired colonel who joined up again to fight "al-Qaida" in Benghazi and was killed 10 days ago. The bus breaks down. When we finally get there, we are greeted by what look like the same demonstrators we'd seen before lunch. And all the children from a local school, for good measure. North Korea.

We decide, collectively, not to get off the bus, in protest. We send one journalist to represent us, thank our host for their invitation, apologise for our rudeness and explain that we had to return to Tripoli.

Not all correspondents go on the trips. It's always a tough choice risk missing deadlines by electing to go on a trip, or actually doing some newsgathering, albeit as herded goats.

There have been plenty of real casualties in the Libya war of 2011, but today, Dr Moussa's hapless government propaganda department has shot itself in the foot. Several times.

Jonathan Miller is a foreign affairs correspondent for Channel 4 News

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13:45 #Reuters
Libyan revolutionaries are facing serious fuel shortages as their westward advance stretched their supply lines. Long queues formed at petrol stations and fuel is scooped in bottles from underground storage tanks. Food, however, was not a problem. Pick ups drove up to the ramshackle caravans of rebel vehicles and handed water, bread and cheese to the insurgents. Some seemed to be organised supplies, others more like local residents seeking to help out.

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13:45 Reuters Libyan revolutionaries are facing serious fuel shortages as their westward advance stretched their supply lines. Long queues formed at petrol stations and fuel is scooped in bottles from underground storage tanks. Food, however, was not a problem. Pick ups drove up to the ramshackle caravans of rebel vehicles and handed water, bread and cheese to the insurgents. Some seemed to be organised supplies, others more like local residents seeking to help out.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 14:47 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Met engelse subs

Libyan State TV accuses Eman Al-Obeidi of being a Traitor (English Subtitles)

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 14:48 schreef Nightwulf het volgende:

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 14:49 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 13:09 schreef zoefbust het volgende:
the fastest man in Libya [ afbeelding ]

RAF TORNADO GR4 STRIKES ROCKET LAUNCHERS OVER LIBYA

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 11:37 schreef Hans_van_Baalen het volgende:

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Irak vs Libi� is totaal niet te vergelijken.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 14:48 schreef Nightwulf het volgende:

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Arabische subs

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 14:15 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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niet , je kan met cc de titels in het scherm aan / uit zetten .. probeer maar eens ..


(sorry ik heeel slecht in paint LOL )

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 15:23 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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Voor de record, ik vind het heel goed dat er ingegrepen wordt met een no-fly zone. Maar heel veel Obama-aanhangers en democraten pleiten voor een regime change in Libie. Waarom is Irak vs Libi� is totaal niet te vergelijken?

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‘Al-Obaidi wordt vastgehouden in hoofdkwartier Gaddafi’

Iman al-Obaidi, de Libische vrouw die zaterdag een hotel vol journalisten in Tripoli binnenstormde en verklaarde dat ze door troepen van Gaddafi werd vastgehouden en verkracht, wordt volgens haar ouders gegijzeld in Gaddafi’s hoofdkwartier in Tripoli.

Eerder maakte de Libische regering bekend dat al-Obaidi werd vrijgelaten, maar haar familie ontkent dit. Ook de bewering vanuit regeringszijde dat de vrouw een prostituee zou zijn wordt ontkent door haar ouders. Zij zeggen in een interview met Al Jazeera dat ze een advocate is. Haar vader liet een foto zien van Iman bij de uitreiking van haar rechtendiploma.

‘Pas verkrachtingsaanklacht aan in ruil voor vrijheid’

De moeder van Iman zegt dat ze is gebeld door iemand vanuit Bab Al-Aziziya, het hoofdkwartier van Gaddafi, waar al-Obaidi wordt vastgehouden. De beller zei dat ze haar dochter moet vertellen dat die de verkrachtingsaanklacht moet aanpassen, in ruil voor vrijheid. “Wat je ook vraagt, je krijgt het,” zei de beller volgens Iman’s moeder.

Libyan woman alleges rape by government troops

‘Ze is een prostituee en ze is vrijgelaten’

Een woordvoerder van de regering, Moussa Ibrahim, zei gisteren in een interview met persbureau AP dat Iman al-Obaidi een prostituee is en dat ze zich, op vrije voeten, met haar zus in Tripoli zou bevinden. Ook zouden er vier mannen ondervraagd zijn, waaronder de zoon van een hoge overheidsfunctionaris.

‘Kijk naar mijn gezicht. Kijk naar mijn rug.’

Al-Obaidi vertelde de journalisten dat zij door vijftien mannen was verkracht gedurende de twee dagen dat zij werd vastgehouden. “Ik ben niet bang. Ik word nu meteen weer opgesloten”, zei de vrouw. “Kijk naar mijn gezicht. Kijk naar mijn rug.”

Terwijl zij haar verhaal deed aan de journalisten, begonnen volgens Reuters hotelmedewerkers en beveiligers haar te duwen en te intimideren. Zij rende van tafel naar tafel in het restaurant. Tijdens een worsteling zou een hotelmedewerker een mes gepakt hebben en gezegd hebben: “Jij verrader, hoe durf je?”



Het verhaal van de vrouw kon niet bevestigd worden, maar NRC-buitenlandredacteur Carolien Roelants is van mening dat er een grote kern van waarheid in het verhaal schuilt:

“Het is bekend dat de aanhangers van Gaddafi losse handjes hebben. Kijk maar naar de journalisten van onder andere The New York Times en de BBC die mishandeld en aangerand zijn. Dan weet je zeker dat Libi�rs waarschijnlijk ook even slecht of slechter af zijn in handen van het regime.”

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 15:23 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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Voor de record, ik vind het heel goed dat er ingegrepen wordt met een no-fly zone. Maar heel veel Obama-aanhangers en democraten pleiten voor een regime change in Libie. Waarom is Irak vs Libi� is totaal niet te vergelijken?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 15:31 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Libi� begon met massale demonstraties van de Libi�rs zelf.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 15:38 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:

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Niet alleen democraten. De meest prominente Republikeinen steunen de interventie in Libie.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 15:39 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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Dat is de reden om te mogen ingrijpen? Dat snap ik niet

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 15:43 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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Maar what's the difference?

• Beide landen hebben/hadden een brutale dictator die hun volk onderdrukt(e)
• Beide landen hebben olie
• Beide landen lapten vn-resoluties aan de laars
• Alleen voor Libie is er een VN-resolutie voor de no-fly zone, maar dat kan niet het argument zijn, want dat had Bosnie ook niet.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 15:43 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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Maar what's the difference?

• Beide landen hebben/hadden een brutale dictator die hun volk onderdrukt(e)
• Beide landen hebben olie
• Beide landen lapten vn-resoluties aan de laars
• Alleen voor Libie is er een VN-resolutie voor de no-fly zone, maar dat kan niet het argument zijn, want dat had Bosnie ook niet.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 15:23 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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Voor de record, ik vind het heel goed dat er ingegrepen wordt met een no-fly zone. Maar heel veel Obama-aanhangers en democraten pleiten voor een regime change in Libie. Waarom is Irak vs Libi� is totaal niet te vergelijken?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 15:39 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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Dat is de reden om te mogen ingrijpen? Dat snap ik niet

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�LibyaNewMedia LibyaNewMedia
When will opposition learn? Every white flag/ceasefire/retreat by Gaddafi is an ambush, he has no morals.
12 minutes ago

arwaCNN Arwa Damon
by Libya_United
just spoke 2 wounded fighter, says was 30km from Sirt, #gadhafi troops raised white flag, when opposition advanced troops opened fire #libya
20 minutes ago

BBCWorld BBC Global News
#Libyan government announces ceasefire in #Misrata, saying it 'affirms that Libya's commitment to the ceasefire is firm': state news agency

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 16:45 schreef Hans_van_Baalen het volgende:
Het is ook eigenlijk niet te geloven dat zo'n poephoofd 40 jaar heeft kunnen heersen

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elke keer zeggen ze het weer...

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'Libische troepen kondigen staakt-het-vuren af in Misrata'
Het Libische ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken kondigt een staakt-het-vuren af tegen opstandelingen in de Libische stad Misrata.

Dat meldde het Libische staatspersbureau vandaag. Het ministerie noemde de opstandelingen in Misrata 'terroristische groeperingen'. 'Libi� is nu rustig en veilig', zei een woordvoerder.

Misrata, vanaf het begin van de volksopstand in handen van opstandelingen, is al wekenlang het toneel van gevechten tussen aanhangers van het Libische regime en opstandelingen.

Overigens is het verre van zeker dat troepen van de Libische leider Kadhafi zich aan het staakt-het-vuren houden. Al eerder werden tijdelijke wapenstilstanden afgekondigd, maar daar hielden zowel regeringsaanhangers als opstandelingen zich niet aan.

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PR�SIDENCE DE LA R�PUBLIQUE
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_{Service de presse
Paris, le 28 mars 2011}

JOINT STATEMENT FRENCH PRESIDENT NICOLAS SARKOZY AND BRITISH PRIME MINISTER DAVID CAMERON

Tomorrow in London, the international community will come together to support a new beginning
for Libya. A new beginning in which the people of Libya are free from violence and oppression,
free to choose their own future.

The world has witnessed momentous events over the last ten days. Following an appeal by the
Arab League to take action to protect the people of Libya, on the 17 March the United Nations
Security Council passed an historic resolution to protect civilians from the violence unleashed by
Qadhafi’s war machine.

Two days later, the Paris Summit emphasized the determination of the participants to act
collectively and resolutely to give full effect to UNSCR 1973.
The same day, a coalition of countries took action to help break the siege of Benghazi and drive
back Qadhafi’s forces. Hundreds of thousands of people have been rescued from the brink of
humanitarian disaster.

Our countries are resolved to continue to enforce UNSCR 1973 to protect the people of Libya.
More countries from Europe and the Arab world are joining us. It is only when the civilian
population are safe and secure from the threat of attack and the objectives of UNSCR 1973 are met
that military operations will come to an end.

We emphasize that we do not envisage any military occupation of Libya, which would be contrary
to the terms of the Resolution. We reaffirm our strong commitment to the sovereignty,
independence, territorial integrity and national unity of Libya.

Military action is not an objective as such. A lasting solution can only be a political one that
belongs to the Libyan people. That is why the political process that will begin tomorrow in London
is so important. The London conference will bring the international community together to support
Libya’s transition from violent dictatorship and to help create the conditions where the people of
Libya can choose their own future.

In the words of the Arab League resolution, the current regime has completely lost its legitimacy.
Qadhafi must therefore go immediately. We call on all his followers to leave him before it is too
late. We call on all Libyans who believe that Qadhafi is leading Libya into a disaster to take the
initiative now to organize a transition process.

In our view, this could include the Interim National Transitional Council, the pioneering role of
which we recognize, the civil society leaders as well as all those prepared to join the process of
transition to democracy. We encourage them to begin a national political dialogue, leading to a
representative process of transition, constitutional reform and preparation for free and fair
elections.

To help Libya make this transition, we are today also calling on all the participants at the London
conference to give their strong support.

We have averted a humanitarian disaster but Libya still faces a humanitarian crisis. In London, our
countries will come together with the United Nations, the European Union, the African Union,
NATO and the Arab League to consider how we can bring urgent relief now, and how we can
support the needs of the people of Libya in the future.

In the last few weeks, the Libyan people have demonstrated their courage and their determination.
Like all other peoples, they have the right freely to choose their leaders.
We must unite to help them make a new beginning.

Versie FR: http://www.elysee.fr/pres(...)-et-david.10987.html
Versie EN: http://www.elysee.fr/pres(...)zy-Cameron_Libya.pdf

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Tamoil sleept Shell voor de rechter

AMSTERDAM - De door Libi� gecontroleerde benzinemaatschappij Tamoil sleept olieconcern Shell voor de rechter vanwege het stilleggen van bevoorrading van Nederlandse benzinestations. Dat bevestigde een woordvoerder van Tamoil maandag. Het kort geding heeft donderdag plaats.

Het gaat om de bevoorrading van negen benzinestations van Tamoil, die de Shell-vlag voeren. De twee bedrijven hebben hiervoor een exclusief contract gesloten, waardoor Tamoil alleen Shell-producten mag voeren en niet zomaar een andere leverancier kan krijgen. Volgens Tamoil houdt Shell zich niet aan het contract.

EU-sancties
Vorige week werd bekend dat Tamoil niet langer wordt bevoorraad door Shell en branchegenoot BP. Beide olieconcerns zeiden aan EU-sancties te voldoen door overeenkomsten met bedrijven die in handen zijn van Libi� op te schorten.

Volgens de Tamoilwoordvoerder staat het bedrijf niet op de zwarte lijst van de Europese Unie. 'Om die reden doet bijvoorbeeld een bedrijf als Total nog gewoon zaken met ons.' Tamoil klaagt BP in Nederland voorlopig niet aan. 'Zij leveren smeerolie aan ons, dus dat is een hele andere insteek.'

Shell zegt de zitting met vertrouwen tegemoet te zien. Een uitspraak wordt binnen twee weken verwacht.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 17:57 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 17:49 schreef horned_reaper het volgende:
Hoe zit het nu met Sirte..... is dat inmiddels in handen van de opstandeling of nog van Kadaffi?
En hoe zit het met Misurata? Volgens het kaartje is er nog veel onduidelijkheid over?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 18:26 schreef Augustus_Thijs het volgende:

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Ik vind het juist wel interessant om te weten hoe het in die steden/dorpen meer naar het zuiden gaat.
Geven ze daar nog iets om hoe ze daar aan de kust mekaar van kant maken?

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Shock: America Fighting On the Side of Al Qaeda in Libya

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com(...)-libya#ixzz1Huk1rHoq

Jihadis who fought U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan now enjoy American support in Libya

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Evidence is emerging that United States forces are waging war in Libya on behalf of rebels whose ranks include jihadis who fought against the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Britain's Daily Telegraph reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, a leader of U.S.-supported rebel forces in the fighting around Adjabiya, went to Afghanistan in 2002 to fight against the "foreign invasion" -- that is, U.S. troops who invaded Afghanistan in retaliation for the September 11 attacks. The Telegraph says al-Hasidi told an Italian newspaper, Il Sole 24 Ore, that he was captured in 2002 in Peshawar, Pakistan. "He was later handed over to the U.S., and then held in Libya before being released in 2008," the Telegraph reports. Al-Hasidi also told the Italian paper he recruited about 25 Libyan men to fight against U.S. forces in Iraq.

Al-Hasidi's story is consistent with evidence presented in a 2007 report published by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy in West Point. That report, by professors Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman, examined records of an al Qaeda-affiliated organization found after an October 2007 raid near Sinjar, Iraq. The records contained biographical information about nearly 700 foreign terrorists who came to Iraq to fight against the United States between August 2006 and August 2007.

Felter and Fishman found that the largest portion of foreign fighters, about 41 percent, came to Iraq from Saudi Arabia. The second-largest source of foreign fighters, at nearly 19 percent, was Libya. "Libya contributed far more fighters per capita than any other nationality in the Sinjar records, including Saudi Arabia," the authors conclude. Since previous studies had indicated far fewer Libyan fighters in Iraq, the authors suggest there may have been a "surge" of Libyans into Iraq in the spring and summer of 2007. "The apparent surge in Libyan recruits traveling to Iraq may be linked to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group's [LIFG] increasingly cooperative relationship with al Qaeda, which culminated in the LIFG official joining al Qaeda on November 3, 2007," the report say.

The Telegraph, citing U.S. and British government sources, reports that Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi was a member of the LIFG.

The Combating Terrorism Center reports says that Darnah, Libya -- al-Hasidi's hometown-- supplied more foreign fighters to Iraq than any other city, including Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, a city far larger than Darnah. Benghazi, Libya, now a rebel stronghold, was also a major source of Libyan fighters traveling to Iraq. "Both Darnah and Benghazi have long been associated with Islamic militancy in Libya, in particular for an uprising by Islamist organizations in the mid-1990s," the authors report. "The Libyan government blamed the uprising on 'infiltrators from the Sudan and Egypt' and one group -- the Libyan Fighting Group -- claimed to have Afghan veterans in its ranks. The Libyan uprisings became extraordinarily violent. [Libyan strongman Moammar] Gadhafi used helicopter gunships in Benghazi, cut telephone, electricity, and water supplies to Darnah and famously claimed that the militants "deserve to die without trial, like dogs." In the current fighting, Gadhafi has said that the rebels fighting against him are affiliated with al Qaeda, but his claims have found little acceptance.

There is no doubt that the rebels associated with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group are violent extremists. The Combating Terrorism Center Report found that the Libyans, along with Moroccans, were more likely than others to become suicide bombers once they were in Iraq. The Sinjar records, plus political developments in the 2007 time period, "suggest that Libyan factions (primarily the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) are increasingly important in al Qaeda," the report says.

Now, it is not clear what portion of the Libyan rebels, who enjoy the backing and assistance of the United States military, have been associated with al Qaeda and attacks on the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. That's one reason critics of the Libya war say the U.S.-led coalition doesn't really know who it's fighting for. But we may learn more in the future, especially if the rebels prevail and some former jihadis find themselves running Libya, courtesy of the United States.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 18:56 schreef Renaldo het volgende:

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 18:57 schreef remlof het volgende:

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FoxNews, say no more

En alweer gebaseerd op dat foutief vertaalde artikel in Il Sole 24 Ore.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 19:21 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Verslag van de journo trip naar Misrata, incl 'spontane' pro Gaddafi demo.

NicRobertsonCNN

Setting off in big blue bus on govt-organized trip to #Misrata; drive should take couple hours. About 40 -50 journalists onboard

About half an hour from #Misrata, lots of Libyan Army checkpoints on highway and huge lines for gas in every town we pas through

We are completely stopped at Army checkpoint about 50 miles outside #Misrata, not clear why.

We are underway again, after delay at checkpoint abt 50 km (not miles as per last tweet) away from #Misrata

Stopped briefly in Zlitan; interestingly, roadside sign to #Misrata spray-painted over.

In #Misrata now about 2-1/2 km from centre, hear gunfire, see smoke rising from centre but can't get there so can't tell what it is

#Misrata: damaged tanks on outskirts of city, evidence of coalition air strikes. Govt-organized pro-Gadhafi shouting crowd

#Misrata: looks like sm tanks removd from checkpts in area so we wudn't see them, lots destructn at what apprs 2 b intrsectn of front line.

#Misrata: After half hour on the ground here, govt minders making us get back on the bus and leave

John Simpson

The BBC's John Simpson is among foreign journalists taken to Misrata by Libyan officials. He says there are many signs of fighting and a column of black smoke is rising from the city.

He says it appears the scene has been stage-managed for the foreign media. A large crowd of pro-Gaddafi demonstrators has gathered and an outside broadcast unit from Libyan state TV, complete with satellite dish, is there.

Just to point out that John Simpson and other foreign journalists are on the outskirts of Misrata. The city itself has been in rebel hands for five weeks and is surrounded by pro-Gaddafi forces.

BBC Monitoring now reports that Libyan state TV is broadcasting from the outskirts of Misrata. Footage shows a crowd of Col Gaddafi's supporters waving green banners and carrying posters of the Libyan leader.

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feb17 info 6:19pm:@guardians Ian Black reports from Sirte Gaddafi forces turning to lighter weapons in bid to avoid air strikes

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NOS19.11 uur: 'Op de vlucht voor Kadhafi-troepen'

Ook Chris McGreal van The Guardian ziet hoe de opstandelingen door Kadhafi-troepen worden teruggedrongen bij Sirte. Hij twittert:

"De opmars van de rebellen stokt op 70 kilometer van Sirte. De revolutionairen vechten, maar moeten massaal op de vlucht voor zware raketaanvallen van troepen van Kadhafi."

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Libyan rebels advance on Muammar Gaddafi's home town
Revolutionaries move further west along Libya's coastal road, seizing several towns without resistance, and reach Sirte
Chris McGreal in Bin Jawad and Ian Black in Sirte
The Guardian, Monday 28 March 2011
Libyan rebels are advancing on Muammar Gaddafi's home city, Sirte, after retaking all the ground lost in earlier fighting as government forces broke up and fled under western air strikes.

Revolutionary forces rapidly moved more than 150 miles west along Libya's coastal road, seizing several towns without resistance, as the first witness accounts emerged of the devastating effect on Gaddafi's army and militia of the aerial bombardment that broke their resistance at Ajdabiya on Saturday.

A Libyan rebel spokesman said Sirte had been captured by the rebels on Monday morning, but there is no sign the city has fallen. Sirte marks the boundary between the east and west of Libya and has great symbolic importance as Muammar Gaddafi's hometown.

The area was quiet after heavy bombardment from the pre-dawn hours and there was no sign it had been taken by the Benghazi-based rebels advancing from the east. It is rumoured that the outskirts have been planted with landmines................... (de rest zie link )

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 18:08 schreef waht het volgende:

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Heeft Shell er baat bij als Tamoil kopje onder gaat? Lijkt mij dat ze dan juist een klant verliezen.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 19:37 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
foto's BBC
nog wat foto's Guardian

ook hier word gewoon tussendoor gebid
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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 18:56 schreef Renaldo het volgende:

Shock: America Fighting On the Side of Al Qaeda in Libya

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com(...)-libya#ixzz1Huk1rHoq

Jihadis who fought U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan now enjoy American support in Libya

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Evidence is emerging that United States forces are waging war in Libya on behalf of rebels whose ranks include jihadis who fought against the U.S. in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 19:37 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:
foto's BBC
nog wat foto's Guardian

ook hier word gewoon tussendoor gebid
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Even as rebels continue to push government loyalists from key areas in Libya, citizens are skeptical.

Im not supporting the rebels because they have also killed people, Ayan Aabideen, a resident of Tripoli, told Politically Illustrated, adding, and I dont know where they get their weaponry.

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 19:57 schreef Hans_van_Baalen het volgende:

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Aan wie?

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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 17:43 schreef zoefbust het volgende:
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Op maandag 28 maart 2011 20:22 schreef waht het volgende:

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Aan niemand omdat het verboden zou zijn te handelen met bedrijven in handen van Kadaffi.

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Allvoices.com - In mid-February, Colonel Muammar GaddafiMuammar Gaddafi went to Venezuela, hosted by his ally Hugo ChavezChavez, fleeing from the revolt that had erupted in Libya. Weeks later, his son Khamis died of burns caused by the attack of a kamikaze pilot who crashed in the quarter of Bab el Azizia, the residence of the dictator. In fact, it was a conspiracy by Al Qaeda against the regime to take over the Maghreb.

Everything said in the preceding paragraph is false. But in Tripoli many have believed and still believe these stories. They need to believe. The lack of information and propaganda war in which both sides have got themselves explain why the rumors have spread so easily through the city and beyond its boundaries. "You know some of Gaddafi's son?" Asked an opponent last week. "We believe he is dead. The news is everywhere," he answered himself. Verder.