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Bespreek hier de actuele situatie omtrent het Midden-Oosten.
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Valt me op dat sinds een paar dagen men de oppositie nu rebellen noemt. Wat is dit voor mediaoorlog? Begint de EU de boel te dowplayen of zo. Hoe zit het met de munitievoorraad en de import en export van goederen naar en uit Libië?
Morning. 
AJE
Untrained Libyan rebels are advancing west rapidly, taking oil installations that many thought would be heavily defended by troops loyal to longtime leader Muammar Gaddafi. As they get closer to Sirte, Gaddafi's birthplace, they are trying to impose some kind of order on the road, and many wonder what kind of resistance - if any - they'll meet.
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AJE
Untrained Libyan rebels are advancing west rapidly, taking oil installations that many thought would be heavily defended by troops loyal to longtime leader Muammar Gaddafi. As they get closer to Sirte, Gaddafi's birthplace, they are trying to impose some kind of order on the road, and many wonder what kind of resistance - if any - they'll meet.
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~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Libyan troops troops loyal to Muammar Gaddafi launched counteroffensive attacks against a number of rebel-held towns yesterday as the uprising intensified into open warfare.
In Libya's Ras Lanuf, which is home to an important oil refinery, the fighting has been particularly heavy, rebels there say the town remains in their hands.
Al Jazeera's Jacky Rowland is there and has been talking to the rebels.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Libyan state television has broadcast an appearance by leader Muammar Gaddafi before crowds in Tripoli's Green Square.
Pro-government supporters also rallied in the capital on Sunday.
Pictures have also emerged of fighting in the Libyan town of Misurata.
Opposition fighters also say they have repelled an attack by government forces, including tanks and artillery.
At least 18 people were killed.
Al Jazeera Charles Stratford reports on the fighting seen across the country
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Tripolitanian
Phone calls between British diplomats and Libyan opposition gov intercepted by #Gaddafi regime. Selectively played on State radio. #Libya
Associated Press - Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee says US and its allies should plan for a no-fly zone over Libya, and consider bombing the country's airports and runways, but they should take no action unless there is an international agreement.
But White House and US defence officials remain reluctant. William Daley, White House chief of staff, said:
Lots of people throw around phrases of `no-fly zone' and they talk about it as though it's just a game, a video game or something. Some people who throw that line out have no idea what they're talking about.
Phone calls between British diplomats and Libyan opposition gov intercepted by #Gaddafi regime. Selectively played on State radio. #Libya
Associated Press - Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee says US and its allies should plan for a no-fly zone over Libya, and consider bombing the country's airports and runways, but they should take no action unless there is an international agreement.
But White House and US defence officials remain reluctant. William Daley, White House chief of staff, said:
Lots of people throw around phrases of `no-fly zone' and they talk about it as though it's just a game, a video game or something. Some people who throw that line out have no idea what they're talking about.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Goede morgen
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
Al Arabiya: Gaddafi forces advance towards Ras Lanuf under military air cover. #Libya
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Er moet nu wel heel snel iets gebeuren denk ik anders gaan ze het verliezen.
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
Al Arabiya: Gaddafi forces advance towards Ras Lanuf under military air cover. #Libya
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Er moet nu wel heel snel iets gebeuren denk ik anders gaan ze het verliezen.
AJE: Anti's vragen wederom om een NFZ en nu ook om tactische bombardementen vanuit de lucht. Dat laatste wordt momenteel sowieso al verworpen door o.a. de VS.
9:34am
Intensive diplomatic consultations are ongoing between the Netherlands and Libya following the capture of three Dutch marines in Sirte on February 27.
The Marines landed their helicopter on the beach of Sirte in an attempt to evacuate two employees of the Dutch consulate
in Libya. The Libyan army subsequently arrested them.
The evacuees were transferred to the Dutch embassy shortly after the incident, but the marines remain in Libyan custody. Gaddafi has referred to them as prisoners.
We are doing everything we can. Due to the sensitivity of the matter we cannot say when we had our last contact with the Libyans, a spokesperson of the Dutch defence ministry told Al Jazeera.
9:34am
Intensive diplomatic consultations are ongoing between the Netherlands and Libya following the capture of three Dutch marines in Sirte on February 27.
The Marines landed their helicopter on the beach of Sirte in an attempt to evacuate two employees of the Dutch consulate
in Libya. The Libyan army subsequently arrested them.The evacuees were transferred to the Dutch embassy shortly after the incident, but the marines remain in Libyan custody. Gaddafi has referred to them as prisoners.
We are doing everything we can. Due to the sensitivity of the matter we cannot say when we had our last contact with the Libyans, a spokesperson of the Dutch defence ministry told Al Jazeera.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Here's a map of cities in Libya that have so far played a major role in the country's uprising, a few of which have witnessed some the worst fighting in recent weeks such as Az Zawiyah, Brega and Toruk.
Ras Lanuf, Ajdabiya and Benghazi are all in the hands of anti-Gaddafi rebels, while Tripoli, the capital, and Sirte remain under Gaddafi's control.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
En "marines" ?quote:Op maandag 7 maart 2011 09:21 schreef yavanna het volgende:
AJE: Anti's vragen wederom om een NFZ en nu ook om tactische bombardementen vanuit de lucht. Dat laatste wordt momenteel sowieso al verworpen door o.a. de VS.
9:34am
Intensive diplomatic consultations are ongoing between the Netherlands and Libya following the capture of three Dutch marines in Sirte on February 27.
The Marines landed their helicopter on the beach of Sirte in an attempt to evacuate two employees of the Dutch consulate
The evacuees were transferred to the Dutch embassy shortly after the incident, but the marines remain in Libyan custody. Gaddafi has referred to them as prisoners.
We are doing everything we can. Due to the sensitivity of the matter we cannot say when we had our last contact with the Libyans, a spokesperson of the Dutch defence ministry told Al Jazeera.
Het was gewoon de bemanning van een helikopter.
LilianeKhalil Liliane Khalil
Reporters evacuated the main hotel in Ras Lanuf this morning & citizens are leaving the town with their belongings.
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Reporters evacuated the main hotel in Ras Lanuf this morning & citizens are leaving the town with their belongings.
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Mogguh 
quote:http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)oe-tot-Tripoli.dhtml
NEW YORK - De topman van de Verenigde Naties heeft de Libische regering zondag overgehaald om een team toe te laten dat de humanitaire situatie in Tripoli gaat vaststellen. VN-topman Ban Ki-moon benoemde de Jordaanse oud-minister Abdelilah Al-Khatib als zijn speciale gezant hiervoor. Hij gaat al zeer binnenkort naar de Libische hoofdstad om de crisis ter plaatse te beoordelen.
Ban Ki-moon deed tegelijk een oproep om vijandigheden te staken, tijdens zijn telefoongesprek met de Libische minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Mussa Kussa. Hij vroeg ook om de beperkingen voor de media op te heffen. De Libische regering ging op die verzoeken niet in.
Ban Ki-moon sprak ook met de Libische leider Muammar Kadhafi zelf, maar kon hem niet overtuigen op te houden met de harde aanpak van de oppositiegroepen.
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Benieuw hoe het met die gijzelaars afloopt. Ik vrees dat Nederland ene geweldige blunder heeft begaan. Ik geloof dat het volgens het internationaal recht het gelijk aan Khadaffi's zijde staat. Je mag niet zomaar een luchtruim binnendringen 
Je mag ook niet je eigen bevolking bombarderen.quote:
Benieuw hoe het met die gijzelaars afloopt. Ik vrees dat Nederland ene geweldige blunder heeft begaan. Ik geloof dat het volgens het internationaal recht het gelijk aan Khadaffi's zijde staat. Je mag niet zomaar een luchtruim binnendringen
Nederland zou eens moeten kijken naar de kinderen en kleinkinderen van Gadaffi. Volgens mij zit Saif Al-Arab nog in het buitenland. Oppakken die kids en ruilen.
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Benieuw hoe het met die gijzelaars afloopt. Ik vrees dat Nederland ene geweldige blunder heeft begaan. Ik geloof dat het volgens het internationaal recht het gelijk aan Khadaffi's zijde staat. Je mag niet zomaar een luchtruim binnendringen
Saif Al Arab schijnt van München waar ie woont naar Parijs gevlucht te zijn (staat in onderstaand artikel). Die moet Frankrijk onmiddelijk oppakken. Maar dat gebeurt niet omdat we mietjes zijn dankzij onze rechtsstaten in Europa.quote:
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Je mag ook niet je eigen bevolking bombarderen.
Nederland zou eens moeten kijken naar de kinderen en kleinkinderen van Gadaffi. Volgens mij zit Saif Al-Arab nog in het buitenland. Oppakken die kids en ruilen.
Gaddafi staat in zn recht op de militairen op te pakken, maar hij schendt zelf de mensenrechten mt het martelen van buitenlandse gevangenen. Hij heeft ons gewoon in een greep.
http://www.abendzeitung-m(...)5d-02a64b506929.html
Als de AIVD ballen heeft zorgen ze ervoor dat Al-Arab in het geheim wordt ontvoerd.quote:
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Saif Al Arab schijnt van München waar ie woont naar Parijs gevlucht te zijn (staat in onderstaand artikel). Die moet Frankrijk onmiddelijk oppakken. Maar dat gebeurt niet omdat we mietjes zijn dankzij onze rechtsstaten in Europa.
Gaddafi staat in zn recht op de militairen op te pakken, maar hij schendt zelf de mensenrechten mt het martelen van buitenlandse gevangenen. Hij heeft ons gewoon in een greep.
http://www.abendzeitung-m(...)5d-02a64b506929.html
It is all about leverage.
Onze regeringen zelf gebruik maken van die regimes of er zelf voor gezorgd hebben dat ze er kwamen.quote:
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Saif Al Arab schijnt van München waar ie woont naar Parijs gevlucht te zijn (staat in onderstaand artikel). Die moet Frankrijk onmiddelijk oppakken. Maar dat gebeurt niet omdat we
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Ik ben het er mee eens, het is alleen niet toegestaan. Zwitserland gijzelt ook geen Libiërs in Zwitserland. Gaddafi weet dat en ondanks dat hij de EU meer nodig heeft dan wij hem, kan hij gewoon alles maken om dingen gedaan te krijgen. Zwitserland heeft er nog nachtmerries van.quote:
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Als de AIVD ballen heeft zorgen ze ervoor dat Al-Arab in het geheim wordt ontvoerd.
It is all about leverage.
Als dit weer goed afgelopen is, blijft de EU gewoon weer handel doen met en in Libië. Als een zoon van Gaddafi ergens weer slecht wordt behandel, dan gijzelt papa gewoon weer een burger van dat land die in Libië aanwezig is.
Dat doen wij zeker ja, maar juridisch gezien kan je hem gewoon niet oppakken. Waar wil je hem voor oppakken? Het is hier geen Libië. Het zou geweldig zijn als het kon, want dan heb je een zeer goede stok om Gaddafi mee terug te slaan maar het kan gewoon niet.quote:
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Onze regeringen zelf gebruik maken van die regimes of er zelf voor gezorgd hebben dat ze er kwamen.
Een AIVD kan die jongen wel oppakken en het zou een zeer goede stok zijn om Gaddafi mee terug te slaan. Echter is die jongen niet perse verantwoordelijk voor wat zn vader op zn kerfstok heeft, sommige zonen inmiddels duidelijk wel en dat zal ook naar buiten komen als Gaddafi dit verliest. Die jongen is misschien ook doodsbang en ziet dat de rest van zn familie wellicht sterft in Libië, hij blijft dan over.
quote:Havel calls for military intervention in Libya
PRAGUE - Czech ex-president and communist-era dissident Vaclav Havel said Monday military action on Libya by Western countries would be necessary if the armed conflict verging on civil war there lasts.
"Especially if it drags on and if (Moamer) Kadhafi keeps boarding himself up and committing further crimes, some action will be necessary," Havel told the business daily Hospodarske noviny in an interview.
"It may take different shapes: aid to local rebels, an air space blockade or a targeted attack on places where Kadhafi is hiding," said the 74-year-old Havel.
Citing the example of the NATO-led attack on Serbia in 1999, he said "some things should not be postponed too long," and the West should "act quickly and in a forward-looking and informed way."
Havel, a former leading dissident playwright jailed by Prague's communists several times, became Czechoslovakia's first non-communist president in 1989 and then of the Czech Republic in 1993-2003 following his country's peaceful split with Slovakia.
Havel was at the forefront of the anti-communist Velvet Revolution of 1989, part of a peaceful democratic wave that felled Moscow's post-World War II satellite regimes and sped the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991.
Havel, who likened the Arab revolts to the fall of the Iron Curtain last month, told the newspaper the whole world was wrong when it saw Kadhafi as a comic "clown" as the Libyan leader "has turned out to be a mad criminal."
Als jij je morele superioriteit wilt behouden zou ik dat niet doen.quote:
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Als de AIVD ballen heeft zorgen ze ervoor dat Al-Arab in het geheim wordt ontvoerd.
It is all about leverage.
Tenzij je natuurlijk dat wilt worden wat je bevecht. Then by all means.
"The north remembers, Lord Davos. The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done.”
Ik vraag me nog steeds af waarom de actie zo is uitgevoerd. Zou er een medische noodzaak zijn geweest
12:32pm
Opposition forces and civilians injured in attacks were rushed to the hospital in Ras Lanuf.
Reporters had evacuated Ras Lanuf's main hotel before dawn on Monday after staff warned they could not guarantee their safety, and came across only a small number of visibly agitated rebels at two checkpoints en route out of the oil port to the east.
Some reporters returned, but hotel staff had not.
Opposition forces and civilians injured in attacks were rushed to the hospital in Ras Lanuf.
Reporters had evacuated Ras Lanuf's main hotel before dawn on Monday after staff warned they could not guarantee their safety, and came across only a small number of visibly agitated rebels at two checkpoints en route out of the oil port to the east.
Some reporters returned, but hotel staff had not.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
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BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera says: "An arms embargo is in place on Libya and British officials emphasise that the purpose of any mission is to build political contacts with forces opposing Col Gaddafi and gain a clearer picture of the situation on the ground. The team despatched last Friday was apprehended by opposition groups in what was described as a 'misunderstanding'. Officials say that the decision to land by helicopter at night with a special forces escort was due to concerns over security but, they say, other options are possible in the future and there will be consultation with the opposition before another team is sent - although establishing who is actually in charge in Benghazi in a fluid and unpredictable environment - remains problematic."
1101: Former SAS soldier Robin Horsfall has told the BBC the operation was a success. "They were clearly having problems establishing communications with the leaders of the rebel administration, and they needed to take the risk of getting in there and saying: 'Look, we're here, we need to talk to you.' Nobody was quite sure who was going to respond, so they had to take a risk. They got in there and they did achieve the mission, they've managed to establish communication with the people in charge, establish who they need to talk to, and they've come home safely."
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1114: There has been a second air strike by a government fighter jet in the eastern rebel-held town of Ras Lanuf, an AFP reports says. It was met with a barrage of anti-aircraft gun fire.
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BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera says: "An arms embargo is in place on Libya and British officials emphasise that the purpose of any mission is to build political contacts with forces opposing Col Gaddafi and gain a clearer picture of the situation on the ground. The team despatched last Friday was apprehended by opposition groups in what was described as a 'misunderstanding'. Officials say that the decision to land by helicopter at night with a special forces escort was due to concerns over security but, they say, other options are possible in the future and there will be consultation with the opposition before another team is sent - although establishing who is actually in charge in Benghazi in a fluid and unpredictable environment - remains problematic."
1101: Former SAS soldier Robin Horsfall has told the BBC the operation was a success. "They were clearly having problems establishing communications with the leaders of the rebel administration, and they needed to take the risk of getting in there and saying: 'Look, we're here, we need to talk to you.' Nobody was quite sure who was going to respond, so they had to take a risk. They got in there and they did achieve the mission, they've managed to establish communication with the people in charge, establish who they need to talk to, and they've come home safely."
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1114: There has been a second air strike by a government fighter jet in the eastern rebel-held town of Ras Lanuf, an AFP reports says. It was met with a barrage of anti-aircraft gun fire.
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1137: The Reuters news agency is also now reporting that a government warplane has launched an air strike in the eastern oil port town of Ras Lanuf. The jet fired two rockets at a checkpoint on the eastern outskirts, rebel fighter Mokhtar Dobrug said. There were no casualties.
1137: The Reuters news agency is also now reporting that a government warplane has launched an air strike in the eastern oil port town of Ras Lanuf. The jet fired two rockets at a checkpoint on the eastern outskirts, rebel fighter Mokhtar Dobrug said. There were no casualties.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Geen vrijheid. Al het andere vloeit hieruit voort.quote:
Wat is de belangrijkste oorzaak van dit hele rijtje revoluties?
panosharitos panos haritos
Hundreds of families leaving Ras Lanuf. The men vowed to come back and fight against the Gaddafi forces... (via phone)
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Hundreds of families leaving Ras Lanuf. The men vowed to come back and fight against the Gaddafi forces... (via phone)
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Gaan ze er weer op af 
Hopelijk nemen ze Sirte snel in, dat gaat het moreel aan de kant van Khadaffi harde klappen geven. Aan de andere kant heb ik zo het gevoel dat men daar nog meer dan elders zal vechten tot de dood, en het een van de laatste bolwerken zal zijn die veroverd gaat worden.
Hopelijk nemen ze Sirte snel in, dat gaat het moreel aan de kant van Khadaffi harde klappen geven. Aan de andere kant heb ik zo het gevoel dat men daar nog meer dan elders zal vechten tot de dood, en het een van de laatste bolwerken zal zijn die veroverd gaat worden.
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AJA eyewitness live: Gaddafi tanks entered with force into Zawiya today and shelled high buildings, mosques and graves of martyrs #libya
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Ik behoud liever onze rechtsstaat, dan dat ik me verlaag tot hetzelfde gedrag als Gadverdaffi. Dan maar een 'mietje'.quote:
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Saif Al Arab schijnt van München waar ie woont naar Parijs gevlucht te zijn (staat in onderstaand artikel). Die moet Frankrijk onmiddelijk oppakken. Maar dat gebeurt niet omdat we mietjes zijn dankzij onze rechtsstaten in Europa.
"Niet-wielrenners. De leegheid van die levens schokt me." - T. Krabbé
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Libya: Special Forces Saga Was No Conspiracy
The saga surrounding the eight special forces soldiers freed by rebels should be viewed as an embarrassing cock-up rather than a conspiracy.
It is entirely normal for the Foreign Office and MI6 to try and establish communication with rebel forces.
What is abnormal is that they failed to let them know they were coming.
There will inevitably be speculation that they were on some different, more clandestine type of mission.
But this was an overt operation, in broad daylight, using a helicopter.
If this was some type of 'black op' it would have involved arrival by sea and then movement by foot.
We've got money that belongs to the Libyan people and (the Foreign Office) are going to need to know who they're going to release that to.
Former SAS officer Robin Horsfall
The weapons being carried by the special forces there were not markedly different to those they would carry during normal operations.
Those on the mission will be well versed with assessing potential humanitarian crises.
Although that may not be the situation at present, this is a desert climate with two and a half million foreign workers who may suddenly want to get out, so a humanitarian crisis may be imminent.
Concern also persists within the intelligence community that Colonel Gaddafi still has weapons of mass destruction at his disposal, notably sulphur and mustard gas.
The rebels are adamant they do not want foreign help, as they do not want Gaddafi to exploit this help to claim this is a Western-inspired uprising rather than an organic explosion of anger.
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They have been calling for a no-fly zone in order to take away Gaddafi's advantage - which we have seen his forces use in recent days.
If the intercepted phone call with the British ambassador is authentic, as we understand it is, then the only request rebels are making is for small arms.
Former SAS officer Robin Horsfall told Sky News there were legitimate reasons for the mission.
"We've got money that belongs to the Libyan people and they're going to need to know who they're going to release that to," he said.
"That's leverage and that leverage is important, but they're going to need that support and they're going to need that money if they're going to win that campaign."
The saga surrounding the eight special forces soldiers freed by rebels should be viewed as an embarrassing cock-up rather than a conspiracy.
It is entirely normal for the Foreign Office and MI6 to try and establish communication with rebel forces.
What is abnormal is that they failed to let them know they were coming.
There will inevitably be speculation that they were on some different, more clandestine type of mission.
But this was an overt operation, in broad daylight, using a helicopter.
If this was some type of 'black op' it would have involved arrival by sea and then movement by foot.
We've got money that belongs to the Libyan people and (the Foreign Office) are going to need to know who they're going to release that to.
Former SAS officer Robin Horsfall
The weapons being carried by the special forces there were not markedly different to those they would carry during normal operations.
Those on the mission will be well versed with assessing potential humanitarian crises.
Although that may not be the situation at present, this is a desert climate with two and a half million foreign workers who may suddenly want to get out, so a humanitarian crisis may be imminent.
Concern also persists within the intelligence community that Colonel Gaddafi still has weapons of mass destruction at his disposal, notably sulphur and mustard gas.
The rebels are adamant they do not want foreign help, as they do not want Gaddafi to exploit this help to claim this is a Western-inspired uprising rather than an organic explosion of anger.
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They have been calling for a no-fly zone in order to take away Gaddafi's advantage - which we have seen his forces use in recent days.
If the intercepted phone call with the British ambassador is authentic, as we understand it is, then the only request rebels are making is for small arms.
Former SAS officer Robin Horsfall told Sky News there were legitimate reasons for the mission.
"We've got money that belongs to the Libyan people and they're going to need to know who they're going to release that to," he said.
"That's leverage and that leverage is important, but they're going to need that support and they're going to need that money if they're going to win that campaign."
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Dat zou goed nieuws zijn.quote:
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2:02pm: The Arab League supports the creation of a military no-fly zone over Libya to protect civilians, the French foreign ministry has told the AFP news agency. On Sunday, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe held talks in Paris with Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa.
1:54pm: Mr Gheriani also told Reuters that there were almost 17,000 rebel fighters out there in Ajdabiya and beyond, but they are scattered.
1:53pm: A spokesman for the rebel National Libyan Council has warned that Col Gaddafi could seek to destroy Libyas oil industry if there is no foreign military intervention soon. The West needs to move or this crazy guy will do something to the oilfields. He is like a wounded wolf. If the West does not intervene with tactical air strikes he could put the oilfields out of commission for a long time, Mustafa Gheriani told the Reuters news agency.
1:44pm: There has been a sharp increase in the number of North African migrants arriving on the Italian island of Lampedusa. Eleven boats carrying around 1,000 people reached Lampedusa overnight, and others have been sighted approaching the small island. Facilities there are being seriously over-stretched its reception centre only has beds for 850 people, and the authorities have restarted airlifts to move the migrants to the Italian mainland. Most of them are said to come from Tunisia. The influx has been increasing since the overthrow of President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali in January, and the beginning of the uprising in Libya last month.
1:37pm: The Reuters news agency is also now reporting that a government warplane has launched an air strike in the eastern oil port town of Ras Lanuf. The jet fired two rockets at a checkpoint on the eastern outskirts, rebel fighter Mokhtar Dobrug said. There were no casualties.
1:29pm: Dr Sewehili also said it was difficult to get supplies into the country. We are trying to get medicines, infant milk and doctors into Libya but its proving very, very difficult. Weve been trying to get people through the borders, especially at the Tunisian end, but unfortunately thats been closed. We have had contacts with people who are able to use smuggling routes. That is costing a lot of money and is also very, very dangerous. The Libyan authorities, as in Gaddafis men, are not allowing people in with supplies, he explained.
1:25pm: Dr Ahmed Sewehli is a Libyan psychiatrist who has given up his job in England to help the medical community back in Libya. He told the BBC World Service that Misratas hospital was struggling to cope with the number of casualties. Unfortunately, there are not enough ventilators in the hospital to cope with the severely injured, and there is a shortage of anaesthetic agents, he said.
1:23pm: A rebel spokesman in Misrata, Mohammed Benrasali, told the BBC that there had been an eight-hour battle. Seven tanks entered the city supported by about 25 vehicle-mounted machine-guns. Three of the tanks made their way all the way to the town centre, where they were trapped in one of the squares and there was really heavy fighting. There was carnage and destruction.
All times are in Libyan local time
2:02pm: The Arab League supports the creation of a military no-fly zone over Libya to protect civilians, the French foreign ministry has told the AFP news agency. On Sunday, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe held talks in Paris with Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa.
1:54pm: Mr Gheriani also told Reuters that there were almost 17,000 rebel fighters out there in Ajdabiya and beyond, but they are scattered.
1:53pm: A spokesman for the rebel National Libyan Council has warned that Col Gaddafi could seek to destroy Libyas oil industry if there is no foreign military intervention soon. The West needs to move or this crazy guy will do something to the oilfields. He is like a wounded wolf. If the West does not intervene with tactical air strikes he could put the oilfields out of commission for a long time, Mustafa Gheriani told the Reuters news agency.
1:44pm: There has been a sharp increase in the number of North African migrants arriving on the Italian island of Lampedusa. Eleven boats carrying around 1,000 people reached Lampedusa overnight, and others have been sighted approaching the small island. Facilities there are being seriously over-stretched its reception centre only has beds for 850 people, and the authorities have restarted airlifts to move the migrants to the Italian mainland. Most of them are said to come from Tunisia. The influx has been increasing since the overthrow of President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali in January, and the beginning of the uprising in Libya last month.
1:37pm: The Reuters news agency is also now reporting that a government warplane has launched an air strike in the eastern oil port town of Ras Lanuf. The jet fired two rockets at a checkpoint on the eastern outskirts, rebel fighter Mokhtar Dobrug said. There were no casualties.
1:29pm: Dr Sewehili also said it was difficult to get supplies into the country. We are trying to get medicines, infant milk and doctors into Libya but its proving very, very difficult. Weve been trying to get people through the borders, especially at the Tunisian end, but unfortunately thats been closed. We have had contacts with people who are able to use smuggling routes. That is costing a lot of money and is also very, very dangerous. The Libyan authorities, as in Gaddafis men, are not allowing people in with supplies, he explained.
1:25pm: Dr Ahmed Sewehli is a Libyan psychiatrist who has given up his job in England to help the medical community back in Libya. He told the BBC World Service that Misratas hospital was struggling to cope with the number of casualties. Unfortunately, there are not enough ventilators in the hospital to cope with the severely injured, and there is a shortage of anaesthetic agents, he said.
1:23pm: A rebel spokesman in Misrata, Mohammed Benrasali, told the BBC that there had been an eight-hour battle. Seven tanks entered the city supported by about 25 vehicle-mounted machine-guns. Three of the tanks made their way all the way to the town centre, where they were trapped in one of the squares and there was really heavy fighting. There was carnage and destruction.
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AJE: Ging een man met RPG staan om te schieten. Dat was heel mooi te zien, want de cameraman stond er recht achter! 
Gelukkig schoot die man niet.
Hint:
Gelukkig schoot die man niet.
Hint:
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Daarom kan je er ook geen vliegtuig mee uit de lucht schieten, dan brand je je reet gigantischquote:
AJE: Ging een man met RPG staan om te schieten. Dat was heel mooi te zien, want de cameraman stond er recht achter!
Gelukkig schoot die man niet.
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(als ze slim zijn zetten ze een gekromde buis aan het uiteinde zodat ze ook omhoog kunnen richten)
LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - We saw two rockets in the ground that did not explode this morning
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Revolutionaries firing at fighter jet over Ras Lanuf RIGHT NOW
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Revolutionaries change the locations of their anti-aircraft machine guns from time to time
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Revolutionaries retreated from Ben Jwad fearing they would put residents in danger
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Battle happening in eastern outskirts of Ben Jwad right now
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Majority of revolutionaries in Ras Lanuf today were fighting in Ben Jwad but have retreated to regroup
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Revolutionary cars headed towards Ras Lanuf in the tens
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Less than 5 minutes ago, a scouting plane flew past revolutionaries in Ras Lanuf
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Revolutionaries firing at fighter jet over Ras Lanuf RIGHT NOW
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Revolutionaries change the locations of their anti-aircraft machine guns from time to time
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Revolutionaries retreated from Ben Jwad fearing they would put residents in danger
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Battle happening in eastern outskirts of Ben Jwad right now
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Majority of revolutionaries in Ras Lanuf today were fighting in Ben Jwad but have retreated to regroup
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Revolutionary cars headed towards Ras Lanuf in the tens
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA from Ras Lanuf: #Libya #feb17 - Less than 5 minutes ago, a scouting plane flew past revolutionaries in Ras Lanuf
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En als je dan op een schuine ondergrond (heuveltje) gaat zitten?quote:
Daarom kan je er ook geen vliegtuig mee uit de lucht schieten, dan brand je je reet gigantisch
bungdan Dan Murphy
Big boom just now 1 click west up road from Ras Lanuf crossroads. Mortar? Airstrike? Dunno. Just saw the smoke cloud. #libya
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Big boom just now 1 click west up road from Ras Lanuf crossroads. Mortar? Airstrike? Dunno. Just saw the smoke cloud. #libya
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA live call from Misratah: #Libya #feb17 - Shops are open and life is semi-normal in Misratah. There is a deep sense of apprehension
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA live call from Misratah: #Libya #feb17 - Huge demonstration in Misratah right now
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ShababLibya Reports of heavy fighting just west of Ras Lanuf, again human shields being used ahead of the front line of the gaddafi forces #Libya #Feb17
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LibyaFeb17_com AJA live call from Misratah: #Libya #feb17 - Huge demonstration in Misratah right now
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ShababLibya Reports of heavy fighting just west of Ras Lanuf, again human shields being used ahead of the front line of the gaddafi forces #Libya #Feb17
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ShababLibya People laugh at gaddafi, he is playing 3 dangerous games. 1. Al Qaeda 2. Civil war and 3. Migration. you will see how dangerous he is #Libya
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ShababLibya AJ Caller from Misrata, 'Gaddafi sending mercs to Europe by boat..' is he playing the wave of migration card? #Libya #Feb17
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ShababLibya AJ Caller from Misrata, 'Gaddafi sending mercs to Europe by boat..' is he playing the wave of migration card? #Libya #Feb17
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RulaAmin Rula Amin
Rumours r that #Ghadhaffi's son agreed to a deal where the Ghaddaffi's will head to nicaragua as an exile
Rumours r that #Ghadhaffi's son agreed to a deal where the Ghaddaffi's will head to nicaragua as an exile
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
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ShababLibya People laugh at gaddafi, he is playing 3 dangerous games. 1. Al Qaeda 2. Civil war
ShababLibya AJ Caller from Misrata, 'Gaddafi sending mercs to Europe by boat..' is he playing the wave of migration card? #Libya #Feb17
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feb17libya Feb17Libya
LIVE- Libyan Unrest: Nato Secretary: It is absolutely outrageous what we are witnessing in #Libya.. http://bit.ly/g8z3wW #Feb17
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LIVE- Libyan Unrest: Nato Secretary: It is absolutely outrageous what we are witnessing in #Libya.. http://bit.ly/g8z3wW #Feb17
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1304: Libyan sources have told the pan-Arab newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat that Col Gaddafi has turned to the rebel Transitional National Council to secure his departure from the country in return for guaranteeing his and his family's safety. He sent a negotiator on his behalf to Benghazi and made handing over power before Libya's parliament, the General People's Congress, his condition, the sources said.
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1305: The sources did not reveal how the rebel council had reacted, saying only: "There has been no official response to Col Gaddafi's request so far, either positive or negative." But they added that the general mood at the moment among council members was to refuse to negotiate.
1304: Libyan sources have told the pan-Arab newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat that Col Gaddafi has turned to the rebel Transitional National Council to secure his departure from the country in return for guaranteeing his and his family's safety. He sent a negotiator on his behalf to Benghazi and made handing over power before Libya's parliament, the General People's Congress, his condition, the sources said.
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1305: The sources did not reveal how the rebel council had reacted, saying only: "There has been no official response to Col Gaddafi's request so far, either positive or negative." But they added that the general mood at the moment among council members was to refuse to negotiate.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
2:59pm: Salah Elwafi is a Libyan in Tripoli who says he supports Colonel Gaddafi. He has told the BBC that people are starting to feel more secure in the city: It feels secure and safe here. Roads are being patrolled by the government army officers and their volunteers. There are check points on the streets, as normal. This city is definitely under the control of the regime but its difficult to gage whats happening in other cities.
2:49pm: More now from the doctor in Misrata who spoke to the BBC World Service. He said the fighting on Sunday was very serious, and that he had never seen anything like it. We had 22 dead and more than 90 severely injured. Weve had kids as young as two and a half years die, people over 70 years old die, he added. Yesterday, they were shooting everything homes, mosques, drugs stores They even used their ambulance to shoot people.
2:45pm: He adds: The current UN Security Council resolution does not authorise the use of force. However, I cannot imagine the international community would stand idly by if Col Gaddafi continues to attack his own people.
2:44pm: Asked about the debate between the alliances member states on whether to impose a no-fly zone, Mr Rasmussen says: Nato stands united. We have asked our militaries to conduct prudent planning for all eventualities. However, Nato has no intention to intervene. I would assume that any operational role would in accordance with, and pursuant to a UN mandate.
2:42: Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen tells BBC World News: It is absolutely outrageous what we are witnessing in Libya. These systematic attacks against the civilian population may, as stated by the UN Security Council, amount to crimes against humanity. The government of Libya has a responsibility to protect its own population.
2:33pm: Former Czech President Vaclav Havel, who helped bring about the end of communist rule in his country, has said foreign military action should be used to oust Col Gaddafi if his forces continue to attack civilians. He told the Hospodarske Noviny newspaper that the world might have to stop the Libyan leader from committing more and more crimes. The entire world was wrong, he said, when it considered Col Gaddafi an eccentric weirdo, because it turned out that he was a mad criminal. Mr Havel said one option was a targeted attack aimed at the places where Gaddafi is hiding
.2:24pm: BBC correspondent says, there is still a sense of fear that the wounded have not stopped coming in. There are people lying in hospital beds with severe injuries. One man I spoke to had a bullet through his heart and lung, but he said he would do it all again, she adds.
2:49pm: More now from the doctor in Misrata who spoke to the BBC World Service. He said the fighting on Sunday was very serious, and that he had never seen anything like it. We had 22 dead and more than 90 severely injured. Weve had kids as young as two and a half years die, people over 70 years old die, he added. Yesterday, they were shooting everything homes, mosques, drugs stores They even used their ambulance to shoot people.
2:45pm: He adds: The current UN Security Council resolution does not authorise the use of force. However, I cannot imagine the international community would stand idly by if Col Gaddafi continues to attack his own people.
2:44pm: Asked about the debate between the alliances member states on whether to impose a no-fly zone, Mr Rasmussen says: Nato stands united. We have asked our militaries to conduct prudent planning for all eventualities. However, Nato has no intention to intervene. I would assume that any operational role would in accordance with, and pursuant to a UN mandate.
2:42: Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen tells BBC World News: It is absolutely outrageous what we are witnessing in Libya. These systematic attacks against the civilian population may, as stated by the UN Security Council, amount to crimes against humanity. The government of Libya has a responsibility to protect its own population.
2:33pm: Former Czech President Vaclav Havel, who helped bring about the end of communist rule in his country, has said foreign military action should be used to oust Col Gaddafi if his forces continue to attack civilians. He told the Hospodarske Noviny newspaper that the world might have to stop the Libyan leader from committing more and more crimes. The entire world was wrong, he said, when it considered Col Gaddafi an eccentric weirdo, because it turned out that he was a mad criminal. Mr Havel said one option was a targeted attack aimed at the places where Gaddafi is hiding
.2:24pm: BBC correspondent says, there is still a sense of fear that the wounded have not stopped coming in. There are people lying in hospital beds with severe injuries. One man I spoke to had a bullet through his heart and lung, but he said he would do it all again, she adds.
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ShababLibya During Gaddafi's brief appearance overnight, he claimed the death toll is not in the 1000s more like 150. via AJE #Libya #Feb17
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Gene Sharp: Author of the nonviolent revolution rulebookquote:
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1304: Libyan sources have told the pan-Arab newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat that Col Gaddafi has turned to the rebel Transitional National Council to secure his departure from the country in return for guaranteeing his and his family's safety. He sent a negotiator on his behalf to Benghazi and made handing over power before Libya's parliament, the General People's Congress, his condition, the sources said.
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1305: The sources did not reveal how the rebel council had reacted, saying only: "There has been no official response to Col Gaddafi's request so far, either positive or negative." But they added that the general mood at the moment among council members was to refuse to negotiate.
Hoofdstuk 2: The dangers of negotiation.
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ShababLibya One of the captured soldiers in the city of Zawia admits they were under orders to retake Zawia before wednesday via Al Manara #Libya
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ShababLibya One of the captured soldiers in the city of Zawia admits they were under orders to capture Zawia before wednesday via Al Manara #Libya
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ShababLibya One of the captured soldiers in the city of Zawia admits they were under orders to capture Zawia before wednesday via Al Manara #Libya
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Afgelopen woensdag of komende woensdag?quote:
ShababLibya One of the captured soldiers in the city of Zawia admits they were under orders to retake Zawia before wednesday via Al Manara #Libya
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ShababLibya One of the captured soldiers in the city of Zawia admits they were under orders to capture Zawia before wednesday via Al Manara #Libya
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quote:Daarnaast heeft de prins 'foute vrienden'. Hij kent Saif Kadhafi - zoon van de Libische president - goed, en drie maanden voor de val van het regime in Tunesië ontving hij de schoonzoon van de verdreven president Ben Ali voor een lunch op Buckingham Palace. Daarbij waren zeker tien topmannen aanwezig van bedrijven die in Tunesië zaken wilden gaan doen.
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Nee, overspoelen met 'vluchtelingen'quote:
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Hij gaat Europa aanvallen?
"Niet-wielrenners. De leegheid van die levens schokt me." - T. Krabbé
Hij is niet langer in een positie om het buitenland te bedreigen.quote:
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Nee, overspoelen met 'vluchtelingen'
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Ja viel mij ook al op.... Ik krijg weer erg weinig via Twitter binnen.quote:
Nogmaals, ik hoop dat met Houda alles goed is in Bengazi!
Ik ga maar ff boodschappen doen.
Tot later
Toevallig moest ik er 1 minuut geleden ook aan denken Tass....hoop maar dat alles goed is met haar en haar familie!
Live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again. JL Picard
quote:mikesdharma RT @Think4Freedom: Internet down in #Libya. Free internet access Call 004923197844321 Username:telecomix Password:telecomix #Tripoli #Benghazi #AnonOps Plz RT about 2 hours ago via web
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Ene dag veroveren de Kadhafi's een stadje,dag erop breken de rebellen weer door linies.Front is hier net zo veranderlijk als de zandduinen.
Bekijk hier het Ras Lanuf verslag dat m'n vrouw Jenan maakte voor haar firma Al Aan TV. Is in het Arabisch, maar beelden spreken voor zich.
...sorry, hier dus: http://akhbar.alaan.tv/vi(...)ol-of-the-Ras-Lanuf/
Bekijk hier het Ras Lanuf verslag dat m'n vrouw Jenan maakte voor haar firma Al Aan TV. Is in het Arabisch, maar beelden spreken voor zich.
...sorry, hier dus: http://akhbar.alaan.tv/vi(...)ol-of-the-Ras-Lanuf/
Zoon van Tolmai.
Wat een onzin, alsof de koninklijke familie een haar beter is. Zoals Cruijff zo mooi zegt: "ik maak geen fout tot ik die fout maak". Met andere worden, wie A zegt moet ook B zeggen. Waarom is iets achteraf fout, als die persoon in jouw ogen voor die tijd niet fout was. Die persoon was wel fout in de ogen van veel mensen, maar jij vond het kennelijk geen fout figuur destijds. Maar nu ie in de problemen komt wel. TSS, de westerse hypocrisie.quote:
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Al die artiesten als Nelly fruitella, Beyonce en wee ik veel wie nog meer die optraden voor de Gaddafi familie kopen nu hun schuldgevoel af. Bij veel mensen krijg je dan krediet, bij mij betekent het dus dat je wederom in de fout gaat.
Wie zich brandt moet op de blaren zitten, en dat betekent dus de gevolgen dragen en j imago herstellen kan niet meer. Het enige wat je kan zeggen, is dat je voortaan beter nadenkt of dat je er volledig achter stond. Met geld het boetekleed aantrekken is NEP.
Maar niet MIJN hypocrisie. Ik ben een individu. Die dictaturen en het gebruik er van was niet mijn idee.quote:
Ik heb er wel van geprofiteerd. Mea Culpa.
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Andrew nu op AJE
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Andrew nu op BBCquote:
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Reuters: FLASH: Obama says NATO considering military options against #Libya
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Goeie vragen in Engeland:
quote:4.28pm: Here's Douglas Alexander's line to William Hague in the Commons just now, courtesy of Andrew Sparrow:
The British public are entitled to wonder whether, if some new neighbours moved into the foreign secretary's street, he would introduce himself by ringing the doorbell, or instead choose to climb over the fence in the middle of the night.
The Foreign Office has now published the full text of Hague's statement to the House.
(Sorry for lack of posts, we've had a fire drill).
quote:3.50pm: Douglas Alexander, the shadow foreign secretary, has just been speaking. He asks Hague to confirm that the revolutionary council HQ is just two miles away from where HMS Cumberland was docked in port.
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1613: A British diplomat tells the BBC that Britain and France have drawn up elements of a UN resolution authorising a no-fly zone over Libya. He said this was contingency planning in case world leaders decided such a zone was necessary - there are no current plans to table the resolution or launch negotiations. Diplomats say possible triggers for such a move might be a massive humanitarian emergency or gross and systematic violations of human rights.
1613: A British diplomat tells the BBC that Britain and France have drawn up elements of a UN resolution authorising a no-fly zone over Libya. He said this was contingency planning in case world leaders decided such a zone was necessary - there are no current plans to table the resolution or launch negotiations. Diplomats say possible triggers for such a move might be a massive humanitarian emergency or gross and systematic violations of human rights.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Meer burgerdoelen
4:26pm
AFP reports: Attacks against civilians in Libya may amount to "crimes against humanity", making it diifficult for the world to stand "idly by", NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said.
4:26pm
AFP reports: Attacks against civilians in Libya may amount to "crimes against humanity", making it diifficult for the world to stand "idly by", NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Oorlogquote:
Reuters: FLASH: Obama says NATO considering military options against #Libya
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1700: The BBC's Barbara Plett, who is at UN headquarters in New York, reports: "A British diplomat has told the BBC that the UK and France has drawn up elements of a UN resolution authorising a no-fly zone in case world leaders decided it is time for such a move. He said this was a contingency measure.
There are no current plans to table the resolution or begin negotiations on it. Diplomats here have said possible triggers would be a massive humanitarian emergency in Libya or widespread attacks on civilians.
So far, UN bodies have voted with unusual speed and unity for steps against the Libyan government, but there is strong opposition for some Security Council members to military operations such as a no fly zone."
1700: The BBC's Barbara Plett, who is at UN headquarters in New York, reports: "A British diplomat has told the BBC that the UK and France has drawn up elements of a UN resolution authorising a no-fly zone in case world leaders decided it is time for such a move. He said this was a contingency measure.
There are no current plans to table the resolution or begin negotiations on it. Diplomats here have said possible triggers would be a massive humanitarian emergency in Libya or widespread attacks on civilians.
So far, UN bodies have voted with unusual speed and unity for steps against the Libyan government, but there is strong opposition for some Security Council members to military operations such as a no fly zone."
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Obama: NATO weighing military options in Libya crisisquote:
Reuters: FLASH: Obama says NATO considering military options against #Libya
Heet de reeks over een paar delen wellicht Oorlog in Libië?quote:Op maandag 7 maart 2011 18:19 schreef remlof het volgende:
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Obama: NATO weighing military options in Libya crisis
Ik denk in ieder geval dat deze reeks nog heel lang zal lopenquote:
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Heet de reeks over een paar delen wellicht Oorlog in Libië?
Zie je het al voor je?quote:Op maandag 7 maart 2011 18:43 schreef remlof het volgende:
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Ik denk in ieder geval dat deze reeks nog heel lang zal lopen
Ik was gisteren trouwens vlak in de buurt van de amerikaanse airbase Spangdahlem...
mochten er bombardementen op Libie komen verwacht ik zeker dat spangdahlem er een rol in speelt (bv met de bombardementen op Servie was dat ook zo, ok toen heb ik daar de bombers horen en zien vertrekken wat een behoorlijke indruk maakte)..
Iig was er vol bedrijvingheid met iedere 15-20 minuten een volgeladen C-17 die er aankwam (dat hoor je wel)..
iig lijken ze daar al vol in de voorbereiding te zitten voor een millitaie ingreep.
Al zegt dat an sich niet dat het ook gebeurt (voorbereiden op een millitaire slag moeten ze gewoon), maar wel was me duidelijk dat de amerikanen in redelijk korte tijd kunnen toeslaan.
mochten er bombardementen op Libie komen verwacht ik zeker dat spangdahlem er een rol in speelt (bv met de bombardementen op Servie was dat ook zo, ok toen heb ik daar de bombers horen en zien vertrekken wat een behoorlijke indruk maakte)..
Iig was er vol bedrijvingheid met iedere 15-20 minuten een volgeladen C-17 die er aankwam (dat hoor je wel)..
iig lijken ze daar al vol in de voorbereiding te zitten voor een millitaie ingreep.
Al zegt dat an sich niet dat het ook gebeurt (voorbereiden op een millitaire slag moeten ze gewoon), maar wel was me duidelijk dat de amerikanen in redelijk korte tijd kunnen toeslaan.
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quote:iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
Caller on Aljazeera says most of Azawiya's population has been wiped out in today's bombing. I hope it's not true. #Libya
quote:iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
The Aljazeera anchor is speechless. On the phone is a guy from Azawiya saying the city is no more. #Libya
quote:iyad_elbaghdadi Iyad El-Baghdadi
Azawiya has become our Guernica, our Alamo. #Libya
We wachten op bevestiging.quote:
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Ja.quote:
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We wachten op bevestiging.
AJE website:
quote:At the hospital in Brega, 42 injured members of the opposition force were being treated, while there were confirmed deaths of at least eight, our correspondent reported.
"The vast majority of those injured had been injured by their own weapons," she said, explaining that the rebels had little or no military training.
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"Er zit iets in de loop volgens mij... wacht"quote:
AJE website:
"The vast majority of those injured had been injured by their own weapons," she said, explaining that the rebels had little or no military training.
Als dat waar is van die stad dan is het zeker te weten oorlog, dan gaat het buitenland ingrijpen. Een 'beter excuus' kan je niet krijgen als USA en bondgenoten zijnde.
Waarschijnlijk ook veel mensen die vergeten hun wapen op safe te zetten, geen rekening houden met terugslag, etc.quote:
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"Er zit iets in de loop volgens mij... wacht"
feb17voices LPC from #Zintan: Revolutionaries captured soldiers from battalion. 20 soldiers from battalion killed, 1 revolutionary killed. #Libya #Feb17
half a minute ago via web
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feb17voices Audioboo: ENGLISH LPC #Zintan: Revolutionaries attacked battalion surrounding city. Battalion retreated. #Libya #Feb17 http://boo.fm/b296063
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feb17voices Audioboo: ARABIC LPC #Zintan: Yesterday revolutionaries frm #Zintan launched attack on nearby battalion. #Libya #Feb17 http://boo.fm/b296056
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feb17voices Audioboo: ENGLISH LPC #Zintan: Revolutionaries attacked battalion surrounding city. Battalion retreated. #Libya #Feb17 http://boo.fm/b296063
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feb17voices Audioboo: ARABIC LPC #Zintan: Yesterday revolutionaries frm #Zintan launched attack on nearby battalion. #Libya #Feb17 http://boo.fm/b296056
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