Toch interessante nieuwtjes en tegenstellingen hier te lezen;
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According to CNN (5.00 / 2) (#19)
by jbindc on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:52:26 PM EST
As of 20 hours ago:
A hotel worker is also seen in the video speaking to van der Sloot as he is leaving the hotel, Peru Interior Ministry spokesman Carlos Gonzalo said. When investigators questioned the worker, he told them that van der Sloot told him "don't bother my girl," according to Gonzalo.
Van der Sloot indicated to the hotel worker that he would be returning to the room, Gonzalo said.
Surveillance video from a casino -- also recorded on May 30 -- shows Flores and van der Sloot playing cards at the same table, he said. The woman won about 5,000 soles (about $1,755), though it was not found in the room or the victim's car, Gonzalo said.
Flores' body was badly beaten and investigators believe a tennis racquet in the room was used in the killing, Gonzalo said.
He said "they found bloodied clothes with" van der Sloot and that investigators are testing them, as well as the tennis racquet, for DNA.
The hotel workers became suspicious after no one else left the room, and eventually a foul smell came from it, Gonzalo said. It wasn't immediately clear how much time lapsed between the conversation on video and workers noticing the smell.
So the surevillance video shows her with the 5000 soles ($1755) winnings as of May 30 - not winning from Elton Garcia.
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It is my understanding (none / 0) (#1)
by jbindc on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 02:53:37 PM EST
that she didn't win $5000. She won approximately $1755 - it was 5000 (whatever units) in Peruvian money. That was shown on the videotapes and no money was found with her body - hence the robbery angle.
that's the money Elton said (none / 0) (#5)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:24:38 PM EST
she won earlier in May. See my earlier posts with links to the actual news articles.
I agree its not clear if she won any money from Joran that night or vice versa.
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Not without (none / 0) (#4)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:23:02 PM EST
proof she died within that time frame and not without showing continuous camera coverage between the time they entered the room and the time her body was found showing no one else entered. They are showing selected snippets that serve their theory.
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CNN on site in peru (none / 0) (#13)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:40:18 PM EST
Cnn - reporting from a LEAKED police report - Jean Casarez Agrees that the videos we are seeing of them entering the hotel room have been edited...to cordinate their theory that Joran is Guilty...He needs a good lawyer, he would not be the first human being that has been framed or in fact found guilty of a crime in which he or she didn't commit.
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Cnn update (none / 0) (#6)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:28:30 PM EST
CNN (Jane Velez mitchell) update is also stating that there were two pepsi bottles ..one pepsi (not completely empty) & the other a Diet pepsi totally (empty) five cigarette butts, the room was a mess sheets off bed and mattress moved and she was laying in her black top and red panties with Jorans beige shirt draped over her...her knees folded up to her chest and her arms wide spead across- one on each side of her body. blood coming from her nose only - according to the report. Bruising (from decomposition, I would assume) also stating her earrings were on & watch. Says the window that the coroner is giving of time of death is between 48 - 72 hours....prior to the time she was found...what a wide window....???
Do we know how long until the results of autopsy?
They also recognize & state that the video clips have been edited!!!!
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Yeah, the ME said that to (none / 0) (#9)
by gyrfalcon on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:33:59 PM EST
Greta's team and I forgot to mention it, that the mattress was I think they said "pulled away from the corner," which is why he said the blunt force trauma to her head could have come from the bedframe if she'd been shoved violently
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then again (none / 0) (#14)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:41:36 PM EST
maybe he told her the money he owed her was under the mattress and she hit her head while trying to move it away to look under it. Or maybe when he went for coffee, she started searching on her own and tried to move the mattress and hit her head, and when he returned, she was dead, he panicked and fled. I think anything is still possible at this point.
I think the "if she'd been shoved violently" comes from media speculation from the ME's comment she could have hit her head on the bedframe.
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Actually (none / 0) (#20)
by gyrfalcon on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:55:01 PM EST
Fuhrman specifically said the ME said there would not have been enough force, in the ME's opinion, to damage her head that badly on the bedframe just from falling herself.
"Shoved violently" is my phrase in this case. But I don't think you can physically smash your skull and break your neck by losing your balance when you're shoving a mattress. You'd at least have to be standing up, suddenly lose your footing somehow, and come crashing down hard from height.
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What the ME said (none / 0) (#27)
by gyrfalcon on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 04:12:52 PM EST
From Fuhrman's report to Greta:
"And as far as the weapon, the ME made some interesting speculations. He opined that the kind of box frame to the bed, a European-style bed where the mattress sits on top -- the mattress was askew in the corner. It was away, as if the victim right where she laid below that corner, possibly that corner of that hardwood frame could have been what she collided with on the back of her head. But he opined this, that the force, if it was her that fell or tripped, would not be sufficient to cause the massive damage to her head. She would have to have been driven into that bed frame by some other force, that being another human."
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Yes, CNN Jean Casarez states the same (none / 0) (#16)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:43:51 PM EST
Jean Casarez is now reporting live from the police report obtained through a leaked report to a meida station...the mattress is being reported as being pulled away from the wall...her arms are being reported as wide open and legs poulled up to her chest...they say it does not indicate a defense motion as her arms were spread wide not clenched up...
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reports coming out she (none / 0) (#10)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 03:35:15 PM EST
wasn't drugged and had insufficient alcohol to mean much. No sexual intercourse found (forcible or otherwise.) They've ruled out sex as a motive.
The photos I've seen show the bedspread on and the mattress slightly askew. Also, she was wearing jeans and the M.E. said she was fully clothed.
Her father is the one who said her jewelry was and money were missing. He's been wrong about a lot of things (not to blame him, but still, he's not been accurate.)
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Jeralyn- (none / 0) (#23)
by kasey9 on Mon Jun 07, 2010 at 04:00:43 PM EST
Thank you so much for the updates!!
I cannot believe how many inaccuracies are out there...it just simply looks like they had him at guilty as soon as they found out his name...(As her brother stated he lloked his name up on the internet)....
Are they actually saying what the motive is...not rape...not robbery...perhaps it was accidental...has any one at all, considered that theory...?
Bron;
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/6/7/153936/3294