[F1] Nieuwtjes topic #73 As-vast in China

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Op woensdag 12 mei 2010 11:38 schreef sanger het volgende:

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Ze hebben dan vaak al een hele vrijdag gereden en beginnen Q3 met een zware auto. Voordat je in Q1 bent is er dan schijnbaar al een hele veroudering in het rubber.

Nogmaals; het zijn geruchten die bij een team in de paddock de ronde deden in Barca. Het waren geruchten onder de engineers en monteurs, maar dat zegt natuurlijk ook niet alles.

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Op woensdag 12 mei 2010 11:56 schreef Waffle het volgende:

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Ja maar dan heb je tijdens de race toch een probleem als er brandstof in komt? Want dan veert hij niet meer in. En als ik dit zo lees denk ik dat dit niet waar is, want waar is het nut dan van die ringen gebleven die uitveren? Ze zijn namelijk meteen verouderd en dus heb zullen ze nooit uitgeveerd zijn en heeft dat onderdeel geen nut.

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Red Bull's three title rivals are conspiring against the team with a common goal -- to rein in the dominance of the RB6 car.

According to Germany's Bild-Zeitung tabloid, the dramatic solution was devised after Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber scored every pole position in 2010 so far, and then pulled even further ahead with developments debuted in Barcelona last weekend.

Bild said the "secret pact" between McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes involves the "exchange of data" about the technical superiority of the latest car designed by Adrian Newey.

Ross Brawn is quoted as saying: "In some areas Red Bull have gone in different directions. Our people are looking at it closely."

And Ferrari's Stefano Domenical is quoted by L'Equipe: "Red Bull has taken a big step forward in performance (in Spain). We saw it Friday and Saturday and with Mark's performance on Sunday.

"This is a reference for us. We are not overstating it but we have to look more carefully at it and understand," he added.

It was earlier wrongly believed that the RB6 was hiding some sort of variable ride-height system, but Bild reveals that one of the actual reasons for the car's competitiveness is the exhausts.

We reported during the February tests that Red Bull had put stickers on the car to make it look like the exhausts were located conventionally, when in fact they were located much lower.

Bild said the lower exhausts, hidden from view by six mechanics on the Barcelona grid, contribute to the car's superior aerodynamics.

It is also reported that Red Bull could begin using a McLaren and Ferrari-like F-duct system at Istanbul in two weeks.

Gerhard Berger told APA: "They are clearly the championship favourites. Even without the air-duct, Red Bull are the fastest."

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Turning vanes extract extra speed of RB6

The constant quest for cleaner airflow around and below the car made Red Bull to adopt a small set of turning vanes under the nose at China to optimize the airflow towards the lower part of the car. The vanes are positioned in between the front wheels, ahead of the wheel axle.

The new turning vanes are similar to Ferrari's items and of course triggered a series of other changes to the car.

The front wing was modified with a new inner flap profile, simplifying its shape. The area where the principle flap meets the endplate has been revised having now less volume and a new shape in an attempt to separate better the flow of air entering the two venturi channels (pointed by a and b notes) under the wing.

Meeting the air first, the simpler front wing inner flap shape may still offer a similar amount of downforce but now causes significantly less vortices behind it. The less disrupted flow of air from the plane is then guided outwards by the outer surface of the turning vanes. At the same time a clean and undisturbed airflow enters under the wide and thin nose cone the channel created by the mentioned before set, is sped up and finally split by the car’s floor extension. One part of air goes under the car’s floor and another one over the sidepod bottom sides. To decrease drag , because of the sped up airflow, the team reduced the sidepod panels width to let more air “bleed” freely through the inner panel-sidepod zone.

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Op woensdag 12 mei 2010 18:30 schreef sanger het volgende:
Ach, RBR behoort imo inmiddels tot de topteams.

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Op woensdag 12 mei 2010 22:40 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Red Bull als bedrijf heeft een stuk meer te besteden ... zeker in deze tijden.

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Op donderdag 13 mei 2010 22:02 schreef Meike26 het volgende:
Denk dat Virgin van de nieuwe teams volgend jaar de grootste sprong voorwaarts gaat maken.

Zoals Googleplexian ook zegt, dit is het eerste jaar. En ik denk dat Richard Branson slim genoeg is om niet gelijk een heel budget in dat team te pompen, maar eerst dit jaar afwacht. Zo krijgt hij te weten wat zijn opbrengst is qua tv-gelden die door de FIA verdeeld worden over de 12 teams.

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Bovendien zie ik Branson er nog wel voor aan om niet alleen geld in zijn team te pompen, maar ook in Cosworth. Geen idee eigenlijk of dit eigenlijk wel mag ?

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Op woensdag 12 mei 2010 22:08 schreef bodylotion het volgende:

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Ja absoluut, maar pas echt sinds vorig seizoen. Maar ze hebben veel minder te besteden dan McLaren en Ferrari.

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Op donderdag 13 mei 2010 22:02 schreef Meike26 het volgende:

Bovendien zie ik Branson er nog wel voor aan om niet alleen geld in zijn team te pompen, maar ook in Cosworth. Geen idee eigenlijk of dit eigenlijk wel mag ?

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Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone says he is working to make sure all 12 teams finish the season, suggesting the Hispania Racing squad has financial issues.

"HRT have got problems. I will sort it out," Ecclestone told the Telegraph in an interview on Friday. "I'd like to see 12 teams finish the season because they have made the commitment to come in.

"We might lose one of them. But I'm doing my bit to make sure it doesn't happen."

HRT made it to the grid in Bahrain after an eleventh-hour rescue deal, but arrived in the first race without any testing and has struggled at the back of the grid.

In the interview, Ecclestone also admitted he has been disappointed with Lewis Hamilton's performances so far this year, despite the Briton's charges through the field in some races this year.

"Hamilton has been disappointing," he added. "He was unlucky in the last race but that's what happens when things are going badly for you.

"People praise his overtaking but you don't get any points for passing cars."

The F1 boss said he was missing former Renault boss Flavio Briatore from the sport, while he conceded the FIA was not quieter without Max Mosley.

"Yes, I miss having Flav about the place. He is good company and he was good for this sport. People associated him with F1. He was a character. We miss Max, too. Max got a lot more right than wrong.

"The biggest problem that Max had was that he couldn't package things in a nice way. You tell people to take it or leave it and it doesn't work. It's quieter now at the FIA, which is how we like it."

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Op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 12:23 schreef Tarado het volgende:
Ecclestone working to secure HRT future

"People praise his overtaking but you don't get any points for passing cars."
Friday, May 14th 2010, 09:29 GMT
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autosport.com

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It has long been rumoured but now it’s official – Jean Todt’s son Nicolas is launching a bid to run his own F1 team, taking his highly successful GP2 team ART GP into the sport’s highest category.
With the failure of USF1, there is a 13th slot on the grid for next season and the FIA is inviting applications from teams wishing to fill that slot. Stefan GP has indicated its intention to apply, but Dave Richards’ Prodrive outfit and Lola have both said that they will not.
As with last year’s applicants, teams will be subjected to a financial stress test and have their facilities and business plans analysed by the FIA.
His son’s application presents something of a conflict of interest for Jean Todt as FIA president, so presumably he will remove himself from the panel which makes the final decision.
“Many people will say that we are favoured,” said Todt Jr, “But in fact it’s an added handicap. It’s up to us to come up with such a strong bid that the choice of the FIA cannot be in doubt.”
Todt Jr has been very successful in GP2, winning the title with Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton and taking many race wins. He currently runs Ferrari junior driver Jules Bianchi in GP2 and manages his career. He is also the manager of Felipe Massa. ART GP has three principle shareholders, Todt, Cedric Vasseur and Mumtalakat, the Bahraini investment fund which is also a major shareholder in McLaren.
Todt Jr has been linked in the past with various possible routes into F1 including a buyout of Toro Rosso and an application to join the new teams in 2010. His partner in ART GP, Cedric Voissard, told L”Equipe newspaper today that they thought about having a run at it last year, but decided against it. Now they feel that the timing is right,
“We thought about it (last year), but it was too early. It’s impossible to jump into that big bath without preparation. With a year to reflect upon it, the moment is right. We’ve had a chance to see how the new teams fit into the scheme of things in Grand Prix. I know I don’t want to see our cars being six seconds off the best. That’s not how I see us climbing F1.”
They have registered their interest in the 13th slot with the FIA and now are working to put together the chassis and engine package. They are looking for a partner to build the chassis, as they do not have the facilities at their base in France. As for the engine Voissard says, “We’ve been in the sport a long time (since 1991) and we’ve had the chance to develop some very good relationships with manufacturers.”
Mercedes has long been a close ally. In partnership with ART they have won the Euro F3 series six years in a row, including one with Lewis Hamilton. They have also brought Sebastian Vettel, Kamui Kobayashi, Adrian Sutil and Sebastien Buemi through the ranks.
The possibility for them to blood Bianchi in F1 next year, a member of the Ferrari young driver scheme, is also likely to be of interest to the bosses at Maranello.
“We have six weeks to pull it all together, “said Vasseur.

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Op vrijdag 14 mei 2010 16:56 schreef Tarado het volgende:
TODT JR TO LAUNCH F1 TEAM BID WITH ART GP
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http://www.jamesallenonf1(...)eam-bid-with-art-gp/

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Teams close to 2011 tyre decision

Formula 1 teams are hoping to reach a final decision on tyres today, with meetings scheduled to evaluate which direction they would like the sport to go for 2011.

With proposals from Bridgestone, Michelin and Avon Cooper all on the table, teams are hoping that detailed analysis of which offer is best will allow them to pick a preferred option in the next few hours.

Although no final decision has been made, AUTOSPORT understands that Pirelli has emerged as the favourite candidate as the Italian tyre company pushes to return to F1 for the first time since 1991.

As well as the Pirelli offer being more competitively priced than the Michelin deal, teams are also understood to be keen on it because the company is willing to commit to F1 trackside advertising as well - which means teams will see a further revenue boost through the profits share with Bernie Ecclestone's companies.

Mercedes GP team principal Ross Brawn said time was of the essence to get a decision made, with outfits eager to get on with designing their 2011 cars.

"I think we had a very good proposal from Pirelli which needs looking at seriously, so we are in a better position than we were several months ago," he said in Monaco. "F1 has now got some serious proposals, whereas a few months ago we had nothing.

"We are greatly encouraged by the interest, and both the tyre companies and designers want to get on and start doing things now or else there will be compromises. It will start getting expensive and, worst of all, someone might get lucky and they design their car around a tyre and get it right and other people don't through no fault of their own at the time."

McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh, who is chairman of FOTA, hoped that a decision could be made in Sunday's meeting.

"We are going to discuss it," he said. "Fortunately we have some options, so a decision is nigh."

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 12:05 schreef Peterselieman het volgende:
Mja, Pirelli was de duurste optie van de drie en daarom had ik juist verwacht dat ze daarom voor Cooper Avon zouden kiezen, waarbij er extra testsessies ingepland zouden staan aan het eind van dit seizoen.

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 12:05 schreef Peterselieman het volgende:
Mja, Pirelli was de duurste optie van de drie en daarom had ik juist verwacht dat ze daarom voor Cooper Avon zouden kiezen, waarbij er extra testsessies ingepland zouden staan aan het eind van dit seizoen.

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 11:56 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
Ik had persoonlijk me geld ook op Pirelli gezet.. Michelin wil wel maar het liefst met competitie (nog een andere fabrikant erbij), en ik gok dat de FIA dat juist niet meer wil. Avon is maar een kleine speler tov Pirelli toch?

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 12:38 schreef sanger het volgende:

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Ik snap ook wel dat ze het niet willen. Dan ligt het er teveel aan wie de beste band kiest en niet wie de beste auto bouwt.

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 16:12 schreef Stiggie het volgende:

F1 2010 Monaco: Alonso vs Schumacher last lap

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 16:18 schreef Sobraine het volgende:

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Krijgt nog wel een straf.

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 17:16 schreef sanger het volgende:
Volgens Brawn mag het wel.... Hij heeft allerlei stukken geprint als bewijs en het klinkt niet onaannemelijk wat hij roept

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 17:16 schreef sanger het volgende:
Volgens Brawn mag het wel.... Hij heeft allerlei stukken geprint als bewijs en het klinkt niet onaannemelijk wat hij roept

Formula One 2010: Brawn defends Schumacher's overtake of Alonso at the Monaco GP

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 18:26 schreef Atreidez het volgende:

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Ik heb t gemist. Was dat in het naprogramma van de BBC? Het lijkt erop alsof die regel niet is aangepast na gebruik van nieuwe SC lijn.

Oh gevonden

Formula One 2010: Brawn defends Schumacher's overtake of Alonso at the Monaco GP

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Op zondag 16 mei 2010 17:26 schreef Tarado het volgende:

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Nee dat heb ik ook gezien en hij heeft zeker een punt, afwachten maar dus

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Op maandag 17 mei 2010 09:52 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Nee ... d'r staat "IF the race ENDS behind te safety car" ... d'r staat niet "if the race is in its last lap we have to consider the race finished".

Brawn's punt is juist ... de race is niet geëindigd achter de safetycar want de baan was vrijgegeven. Het resultaat is exact hetzelfde (safety car komt voor de finish naar binnen) maar reglementair maakt het een wereld van verschil.

Vergeet niet dat Ross dit vroeger foutloos voor Ferrari deed. Stefano : buk maar alvast!

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Mark Webber's stunning back-to-back victories in Spain and Monaco appear to have secured his future at Red Bull Racing, with team chiefs saying they have no doubt that they should keep him on board for next season.

On a weekend when Webber moved to the top of the world championship standings, Red Bull bosses opened talks with the Australian's management about extending his deal - which finishes at the end of this season.

With the form of the RB6 making a seat at the team one of the main targets for any leading driver, team principal Christian Horner has dropped the firmest hint yet that Webber will remain alongside Sebastian Vettel next season.

"I am very happy with the balance and dynamics in team, and there is nothing that we would change for," Horner told AUTOSPORT.

Although Webber himself said at the Monaco Grand Prix that he was in no rush to sort out his future - with his form leaving him as a target for rival outfits, Horner said he did not expect a lengthy negotiation spell when it comes down to finalising terms.

Should Webber get his new deal, then it will almost certainly mean the end of Kimi Raikkonen's F1 career – with the Finn's only real option for a return being at Red Bull.

"We are very happy with the way that Mark is performing," said Horner. "He is an important member of our team and he has got to a stage where, at 33 years of age, we said let's take one year at a time – rather than signing some long-winded agreement.

"It is all down to relationships and how he feels at the end of the day. He is driving fantastically well, he is a very valued member of the team, so when the time comes to sit down and talk about contracts I am sure it will be a very short conversation."

Although it is understood that no contract has been signed, Horner said he expected the matter to be sorted out in the next few weeks.

"Over the last couple of years it has been around the end of May and beginning of June that we begin to talk about things, but with Mark, like all things, it is pretty straight forward," he said.

Webber's second victory in as many weekends moved him and Red Bull to the top of the championship standings, but Horner says the team still needs to keep driving itself to improve.

"Our focus won't change," he said. "We will keep pushing. It is very dangerous in this business to underestimate your rivals.

"McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes are great teams and have great pedigrees and histories, and it would be foolish to underestimate their rate of development and progress.

"We are a small team in comparison, so we need to keep focusing on what we are doing, keep our heads down and try and deliver the kind of performances we have delivered over the last couple of weekends – and the championships will take care of themselves."

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Op maandag 17 mei 2010 11:16 schreef Ermanon het volgende:
Het blijft leuk in de F1, nu dus weer gezeik omdat de regels zo vaag zijn dat men ze op verschillende manieren kan uitleggen, door het falen van de FIA. En ja, op dat soort puntjes zijn Brawn/Schumacher ijzersterk, kijk maar naar het momentje waarop Schumi een 10 seconden stop engo penalty kreeg 2 ronden voor het einde, en deze dus deed in de finale ronde en daardoor dus won . Ik hou van dat soort acties/mensen, echt alles eruit halen wat erin zit.

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Op maandag 17 mei 2010 14:31 schreef Waffle het volgende:
Probleem is nu dat de FIA meteen een straf heeft gegeven waar je niet tegen in beroep kunt gaan.

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Op maandag 17 mei 2010 14:48 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:
Hier zat Hill gewoon op te wachten!