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Op dinsdag 2 februari 2010 18:06 schreef ToT het volgende:

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DAT is iets wat ik me dus ook al de hele tijd afvraag!

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Op dinsdag 2 februari 2010 17:57 schreef Iblis het volgende:
Ik denk, ook al is het plaatje uit de eerste post verdwenen, dat deze discussie ook over dezelfde afbeelding gaat: http://www.bautforum.com/(...)s-wrong-picture.html

Gezien de quotes: "I'm more concerned with why the guy on the right is thumbing his nose at the rest of the guys in the inscription."

"LOL! That's not a nose! It's a breathing apparatus and he's adjusting the oxygen intake."

Ik moet die hele draad nog doorlezen echter.

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Ah ha!

Just checked my inbox and recieved a reply from Dr. Dominique Collon, an Assistant Keeper at the British Museum:


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The photograph you sent was taken in our Anatolian gallery, Room 54, and shows the sealed envelope and the tablet it contained, together with enlarged drawings of the designs on the impressions of the cylinder seals rolled out on the envelope.

They date to around 1850 BC and came from farmers digging in their fields in the early years of the 19th century at the site of Kultepe (ancient Kanish) near Kayseri in central Turkey. The tablets are the correspondence of Assyrian merchants from Ashur on the Tigris (now in northern Iraq) who had set up merchant colonies in Turkey. The museum acquired, or at any rate registered, this tablet in 1919.

The text on the tablet is copied in Cuneiform Texts from Cappadocian Tablets in the British Museum, Part V (by S. Smith and D.J. Wiseman, London 1956), No. 48 (BM ANE 113583 and 113583A) and the drawings come from Part VI (by P. Garelli and D. Collon, London 1975), Pl. 53, Nos. 43-47 (see also p. 32 for details). I do not believe a translation of the tablet has been published.
Although Dr. Collon's reply did not present every bit of information necessary to spell out a conclusive description of the imagery on the seal, it does present materials one may consult to seek a conclusive interpretation of the items in question.

Just for grins, now that we know a bit more about the pieces, let's apply some critical thought.

- The seal does not date back to 3000-5000 BC, as postulated by HankSolo.

- While the Nimrud Lens does date back to 5000 BC, it appears that the claims of it being some sort of lens for use as an astronomical device are in the minority. "To get from a lens to a telescope, they say, is an enormous leap." (refer to this BBC article for more information)

- Now that we know the tablets we've been discussing are a) genuine; b) a set, in the form of a 'letter' and an 'envelope';
c) correspondence between Assyrian merchants; d) that such cylinder seals were employed on correspondence in this fashion to guarantee the authenticity of writings sent between parties; -- what is the likelihood that this particular cylinder seal depicts some form of advanced astronomical knowledge?

- If the symbology in the pieces did indeed present evidence that the Sumerians had advanced astronomical knowledge, why didn't Sitchin provide specific information about the origin of the set? Seems silly to just include a picture of something in your published work that would bolster your case without presenting pertinent documentation about it.

Moreover, does anyone interested have access to the publications provided above by Dr. Collon, which might yield a conclusive description of the symbology depicted?

Even just being presented with the partial information detailed above, in my opinion, the wanton speculation that's taken place on this thread made a mountain out of a molehill.

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Op dinsdag 2 februari 2010 18:29 schreef Iblis het volgende:

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Saturnus is niet significant op zich, wel de kennis dat Saturnus ringen heeft, want die zijn met het blote oog niet zichtbaar.

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Op dinsdag 2 februari 2010 18:38 schreef mediaconsument het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 2 februari 2010 18:51 schreef Iblis het volgende:
Op pagina 8 staat nog een antwoord van iemand van het Brits Museum waar die tabletjes hangen, met de opmerking dat het een bal-staf is:
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Dus linksboven is waarschijnlijk een ster, misschien de zon, rechtsboven de zonneschijf en halve maan, 2 gewoon motiefgaatjs, en dan wat hier als Saturnus geduid wordt de 'bal-staf'.

Ik vind dat het hier ook al niet super op Saturnus lijkt, omdat de ringen laag zitten, maar het lijkt dus het symbool te zijn dat hier ook genoemd wordt:
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En wat hier de koning ook in zijn hand heeft:

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Alhoewel hier ook wel wat op aan te merken valt, vind ik het vooralsnog een stuk waarschijnlijker dan dat het Saturnus inclusief ringen zou zijn.

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In conclusion, it is clear that in Sumer as in India, corruption of myth led to the Sun and Saturn arising from items of a formerly identical nature, the original north celestial polar crescents. Incompetent Sumerian priests identified Sun-Shamash with Shamash-Saturn instead of leaving the incomprehensible traditions as they were. Thus it was, doubtless, that the later Greeks came to call Saturn Heelion Asteer, and the Romans came to call it Stella Solis.

A presumed sunlike Saturn is not even arguable from myth, let alone the basis of objective material for a purported lost celestial history. In or at least seemingly in the North Celestial polar sky, the crescentoid formation is another matter. That is part
of the original inspiration of the metaphors, the bedrock of myth.

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Op dinsdag 2 februari 2010 19:19 schreef Iblis het volgende:

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Ik volg dit niet.