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Op vrijdag 18 september 2009 21:24 schreef UncleScorp het volgende:

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9/11 - The Basic Questions

1. Why didn't jets intercept the airliners since they had numerous warnings of terrorist attacks?

2. Why did Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001?

3. Why did FEMA lie about their presence in New York on 9/11?

4. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom?

5. Why did George H.W. Bush meet bin Laden's brother on 9/11?

6. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights all use the term boxcutters?

7. Where are the flight recorders?

8. Why were the FISA warrants discontinued?

9. How did Bush see the first plane crash on live camera?

10 Why was security meeting scheduled for 9/11 cancelled by WTC management on 9/10?

11. How did they come up with the "culprits" so quickly?

12. How did they find the terrorist's cars at the airports so quickly?

13. Why did Shrub dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force?

14. Why the strange pattern of debris from Flight 93?

15. How extensive was the relationship between the Taliban, the ISI and the CIA?

16. What exactly was the role of Henry Kissinger at UNOCAL?

17. When was it decided to cancel building a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan?

18. Why did the FBI in 1996 close the files to investigate Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington?

19. Why did .Bush stop inquiries into terrorist connections of the Bin Laden family in early 2001?

20. Who made the decision to have John O'Neill stop investigating Al-qeada accounts?

21. Who gave the decision to give him a security job at the World Trade Center?

22. Did John O'Neill meet anyone of the FEMA in the night of September 10th?

23. What about media reports that hijackers bought tickets for flights scheduled after Sept. 11?

24. Why did none of the 19 hijackers appear on the passenger lists?

25. Why would devout Muslims frequent bars, drink alcoholic beverages and leave their bibles?

26. Why would the hijackers use credit cards and allow drivers licenses with photos to be zeroxed?

27. Why did the hijackers force passengers to call relatives?

28. How did the hijackers change the flight plan without law enforcement or the military try to stop them?

29. How did a hijackers passport miraculously appear near the WTC? Who found it and what time?

30. How could the FBI distinguish between "regular" Muslims and hijacker Muslims on those flights?

31. Why was there not one "innocent" Muslim on board any of these flights?

32. Did someone go through the passenger lists looking for Muslim names and label them as hijackers?

MOHAMMED ATTA

33. Did the Florida police provide information that Atta was searched because of 1) an expired Visa, 2) driving a car without a license, 3) because of an incident at Miami Airport?

34. Why did Atta leave his bag at the airport and the employees didn't put it on board?

35. Who found his bag? How can we be sure it it was his bag?

36. Why did Atta place a video "how to fly planes", a uniform and his last will into his bag, knowing that he would commit suicide?

37. Why did Atta leave his drivers license in a rental car?

38. When did Atta train on a flight simulator?

39. Did Atta leave the US while in training and then return?

40. Why did Atta decide to study at Opa Locka, a famous hub of 6 Navy training bases and includes government partners like U.S. Coast Guard Air Station, Police (Miami-Dade) Aviation Unit?

41. Why was Atta allowed to study since he was stopped by the police for driving without a license and also for violating his visa?

THE BLACK BOXES AND CRASH VIDEO

42. Why were the Black Boxes never recovered ?

43. Why didn't the FBI release the air traffic controller's protocols?

44. Why did the FBI not release the Flight Data Recorder info?

THE HIJACKERS

45. How did the FBI receive a tip from a passenger who boarded a different plane and reached his destination safely that he had a confrontation with two ME men at the Logan airport in Boston?

46. Who tipped the FBI to storm the Westin Hotel in Boston on September 12th?

47. Where did the photos of all 19 hijackers come from?

48. How were all hijackers identified just 2 days after the attack?

49. Why did all 19 names not appear on the passenger list 2 days after the hijacker list was released?
50. Why do none of the names appear on the passenger lists UA and AA gave to CNN?

51. How could the hijackers disable the defense systems?

52. Why did the FBI ignore Bin Laden's family, who left the United States without further investigation?

53. What about the supposed hijackers who are still alive?

54. Was there a reason to change the list of the original 19 hijackers?

55. What happened to Ayub Ali Khan and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, who have been in jail since September 2001, because of possession of box cutters on a train? Who gave the tip to arrest them?

56. Why did it take 4 months before Ramsi Binalschibhs name was mentioned, since he was a good friend of Mohammad Atta and lived in his apartment in Hamburg?

57. Why did it take 4 months until December 11 to charge Zacarias Moussaoui for the 9/11 attacks when his case was known worldwide for months, but not mentioned in the American media?

58. Whatever happened with Lotfi Raissi, who was arrested in UK for teaching the terrorist pilots?

59. What is the current status of the investigation of Mamoun Darkazanli Import-Export-Company in Hamburg and Al Taqwa Management Organisation in Lugano?

60. Why was Richard Reid able to enter the Paris airport twice and who paid for his hotel?

61. Who hired Zacarias Massoui to learn how to fly passenger jets in the United States?

62. Why did the FBI or CIA fail to interrogate him between August and December 2001?

BIN LADEN

63. Did the CIA monitor Bin Laden in 1998 with the help of 15 Afghan agents, paid $1,000/ month?

64. Where are these agents? Was Johnny "Mike" Spann one? Was John Walker Lindh one?

65. Is an Afghan agent a member of the ISI? Is an Afghan agent working for Bin Laden?

66. When was the first time Tenet mentioned the Al-Qaeda group to any member of the Senate?

67. Why did the Pentagon release a new video version or translation of the Bin Laden Home video?

68. Why it was released only 8 hours after translation by the German magazine MONITOR on December ?

69. Why were the four translators prior US-Government workers?

70. When was the Bin Laden Home Video found and who found it?

71. Who found the video if Northern Alliance and US troops had not yet arrived in Kandahar or Jahalabad?

72. Does the timestamp on the Bin Laden video indicate that it was found two weeks after it was produced?

73. Why was the public not informed who found the video and when?

74. Why according to MONITOR magazine, were the most controversial statements translated incorrectly?

75. Why was the video released?

76. Who gave the final decision to release it?

77. Why is the Bin Laden video of June 2001 in which he praised the attack, available on the Internet?

78. What about Bin Laden's statements on Al-Jazeera in June 2001 about the bombing of USS Cole, which are similar to the statements on the November 2001 home video?

79. Why did Bin Laden state in Umman Magazine in Sept. 2001, that he was not involved in the WTC?

80. Is Bin Laden still on the payroll of the CIA or ISI?

81. Did the Bin Laden Group Inc. help build ToraBora with the CIA?

82. What was the purpose of the meeting with General Pervez Musharraf in May 2001?

83. Why was a statement released that Al-Khalifa bin Laden, who is not the mother of Bin Laden, had a telephone call with Bin Laden on September 9, rather than Alia Ghanem, his mother? Why did Alia Ghanem say she did not believe he planned the attack?

ANTHRAX AND MICROBIOLOGIST DEATHS

100. What happened on September 18th, when an employee of Batelle Memorial Institute was involved in a so-called anthrax hoax on that day? Was he arrested?

101. Why did the investigation of that case begin in December 2001?

102. What was in the memo of Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a public health consumer advocate and author of "Death in the Air" on October 1, 2001, almost two weeks before the first anthrax letter was sent from Trenton to the American media building in Boca Raton?

103.What about his letter of Nov. 13 in which he claimed that BAYER is behind the anthrax infections?

104. Did US BioDefense laboratories send the anthrax-laced letters to get a new budget for research?

105. What about the statement of former UN-weapons inspector of Iraq, Richard Spertzel, who told ABC, "...he knows only five scientists in the USA who would be in the situation to produce such a fine, highly developed spore material"?

106. Why did it take 48 hours to inform Bob Stevens that he had anthrax?

107. Why were envelopes never found near Bob Stevens, Amelie Lundgren and Mia Nguyen?

108. How come Microsoft got a hoax anthrax letter from Malaysia on the same day that President Bush said Malaysia might be one of the next targets of the United States?

109. Why did the FBI never investigate the case Don Wiley, a Bioscientist who disappeared 11/13/01?

110. Why did the FBI begin to investigate after his body was found on December 22, 300 miles away? Was there an investigation at the military hydro plant where workers found him? Why did the media write different versions about how, when and where he was found? Why did the police report change 2 months later from suicide to an accident?

111. What was the goal of Bioport in 1997?

112.Did development of anti-anthrax vaccines begin in 1998?

113.When did Bioport decide to produce anthrax vaccines?

114. Was it before or after Sept. 1998 that Admiral Crowe was put in charge of investigations of the August 7, 1998 bombings of Embassy Nairobi and Embassy Dar Es Salaam?

115. Did the schedule for developing anti-anthrax vaccines begin starting in 1998?

116. When did the US Government ask Bayer for help in developing a vaccine?

117. When did Bayer start sending the vaccines to the U.S.?

118. When did Bayer double production of the vaccines?

119. Was the death of Vladimir Pasechnik investigated? He was former director of the Institute of Ultra Pure Biochemical Preparations of the Soviet bio-warfare establishment Biopreparat in November 2001?

120. How are the deaths of scientists Robert M. Schwartz, Dr. Benito Que and Set Van Nguyen explained since all occurred in the same month? Is Set van Nguyen related to the anthrax victim Mia Nguyen?

121. What about the death of Nancy Sonnenfeld (FEMA-Wife)?

122. Why was the NJ Division of Fish and Wildlife examining Anthrax in August 2000?

123. Do any employees in Trenton have the same handwriting as printed on the Anthrax envelopes?

124. Is it just a coincidence that the laboratory is also based in Trenton?

125. Did the FBI ever ask Fort Detrick to examine anthrax spores?

126. What about the list of 15-20 labs (maintained by Barbara Rosenzweig) who used Fort Detrick spores?

127. Does the CIA have spores different from those at Fort Detrick?

128. Why did Tommy Thompson, The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, and other Bush cabinet members meet secretly (i.e. illegally) in Oct. 2001 with officials of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to develop plans for their Emergency Preparedness Task Force?

129. Why did he decide on October 25, 2001 to ask Congress for another $500 million to produce Acambis's smallpox vaccine?

130. Why did it take 4.5 hours until Jean Marie Malecki , Director Palm Beach County Health Department, picked up the phone for employees of the AMI-Building, Boca Raton. This is where editor Bob Stevens got anthrax. Why did she wait two days before she visited that building again?

131. Did Walter Gilbert, Director Myriad Genetics ever get official permission from relatives of those killed at WTC to examine their DNA?

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES

150. Why did General Mahmud Ahmad, former head of the ISI quit his position?

151. Why did retaliation against the Taliban begin the day he stepped down?

152. Who in the ISI paid $100.000 to Mohammad Atta?

153. Why does Ahmad think that another secret service was involved in the WTC attack? Which Secret Service was he referring to? Did other ISI official's believe that? Did officials of the CIA believe that? Did some officials of the Mossad believe that?

154. What was the purpose of Ahmad's visit to Washington on 9/11?

155. Who told Russian Foreign Minister Ivanov to abort an air strike against Afghanistan in May 2000?

156. Did Russian intelligence notify the CIA in 2001 that 25 terrorist pilots had been training for suicide missions, as reported in the Russian press?

KISSINGER

1. What did Kissinger mean that an "outside threat from beyond", a "world government" and "individual rights" who are "willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted", what you mentioned in 1991 on a Bilderberg Conference?

2. What was his role at UNOCAL?

3. What did he discuss at the Bilderberg meeting last year in May 2001?

4. What was the purpose of his meeting with Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov in July 2001?

5. Why does he write in "Toward a New Diplomacy for the 21st Century" that America doesn't need a Foreign Policy?

6. When was the last time Henry Kissinger met US-Ambassador in Pakistan, Robert Oakley?

THE PURCHASE OF AIRLINE PUT OPTIONS

1. Is it true that the CIA is in possession of PROMIS software?

2. What is the purpose of PROMIS?

3. Did A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard, CIA, own any stocks of United Airlines, American Airlines, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re (insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re.?

4. What is his connection to Alex Brown, Deutsche Bank?

5. Did he give any insider information about to George Tenet, CIA?

6. Who was the investor who purchased 2,000 UAL put options between August and September 11, 2001?

7. Did Deutsche Bank-Alex Brown own any stocks of UA, AA, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re (insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re?

8. What about the 2,500 UA-contracts which were "split into 500 chunks each, directing each order to different U.S. exchanges around the country simultaneously." on August 10, 2001?

9. Did Deutsche purchase UAL options in August 2001?

10. Why did DB-AB purchase 4,744 put options on United Air Lines stock as opposed to only 396 call s on September 6-7? What was the purpose of doing that?

11. What is the connection to Wally Kromgaard?

12. Did Deutsche Bank or Wally Kromgaard purchase 4,516 put options on American Airlines as compared to 748 call options on September 10?

13. What was the reason of Mayo Shattuck III re-asssignment on September 15th?

THE TALIBAN AND THE CARPET OF GOLD..

1. When was the last time they met any representatives of the US-Government?

2. What was the purpose of these meetings?

3. Did the Taliban know Karl E. Inderfurth and State Department counterterrorism chief Michael Sheehan?

4. Do they know which US-Representative said in February 2001: "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs"?

5. When was the last time the Taliban was in touch with this representative?

6. Did Abdul Haq, the former Mujahedin leader executed Sept 2001 by the Taliban, decide in Winter 2000 to attack the Taliban?

7. Did production of opium in Afghanistan fall from 3276 tonnes in 2000 to 185 tonnes in 2001?

GLOBAL HAWK TECHNOLOGY

1. Was Global Hawk technology able to remotelycontrol unmanned planes in 1999 for 27 hours?

2. Did Northrop-Grumman use Global Hawk technology in the war in Afghanistan since October 2001?

3. What is the purpose of unmanned technology?

4. Is Northrup in contact with any engineers of Boeing?

5. Did Northrup install Global Hawk technology in a commercial airplane?

CARRIER AND TROOP MOVEMENTS BEFORE SEPT 11

1. Did two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast before 9/11?

2. Did 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation 'Bright Star' on 9/11? What was the purpose of both of these operations?

BIOCHEMICAL WARFARE

1. When did Tommy Franks learn that he would use Thermobarics in ToraBora?

2. Does he know if it had been tested on December 12 in Nevada?

3. Who told Franks that Bin Laden might hide in ToraBora?

4. Is the main purpose of Thermobarics to destroy buried bio and chemical stocks?

5. When was the first time Franks used Thermobarics? Was it before or after the announcement of the end of ABM Treaty on December 11?

6. When did the US decide to use B61-11, the "nuclear version" of its "conventional" BLU-113 counterpart?

7. Why has the NSA destroyed data collected on Americans or US companies since the Sept. 11 attacks?

ABORTED ATTEMPTS TO GET BIN-LADEN

1. Why did Clinton abort an attack on Bin Laden in October 1999?

2. Who was responsible for that operation?

3. Why was the operation put on hold?

4. Why did Musharraf halt a covert operation to attack Bin Laden in October 1999?

5. Why did the GOP in Congress stop almost every move Clinton made against terrorism? They refused to believe reports and pass necessary legislation. In 1996 Clinton proposed a very extensive anti-terrorism regulation.

RICHARD REID

1. Who hired Richard Reid to threaten a passenger plane in Paris?

2. Who did he send an email to in Pakistan?

3. Has he ever been in touch with the ISI or CIA?

4. Did he know the difference between an explosive and a detonator?

5. How many ounces did he have in his shoes?

6. What size are his shoes?

7. Who build or prepared his shoes?

JOHN WALKER LINDH

1. Has John Walker Lindh ever been in touch with the CIA?

2. Did he ever work for the CIA?

3. Who arrested him in 2001?

4. Why didn't he escape in the tumult to nearby Masar-e-Sharif?

5. Who hired his lawyer, Richard Brohanan? Who paid his lawyer?

6. Why didn't he go to Guantanamo Bay?

DICK CHENEY

1. When did Cheney stop working for Halliburton?

2. Is he still in possession of any Halliburton stock?

3. Is he still in contact with Halliburton?

4. Was Halliburton invited to an oil conference in May 2002?

5. Does Cheney know when that meeting was planned?

6. Did Cheney have influence concerning Halliburton contracts with the Pentagon?

7. What exactly did Cheney decide to do on September 11th?

8. Did he speak with an Air Force Commander or Lt. Gen. Charles F. Wald on that day?

9. When did he inform the president about the hijacked airplanes on September 11?

10. Who called the White House on September 11 at 9:30 AM about a possible threat?

11. Why was no air security at the White House or the Pentagon at 9:30 AM?

12. When and who gave the approval to evacuate the White House at 9:45 AM?

13. What was the purpose of a meeting with Indian opposition leader Sonia Gandhi in June 2001 about a multimillion-dollar debt owed to Enron from a major energy project in Indian Power Plants?

14. When was the last time Cheney spoke with anyone from ENRON?

COLIN POWELL

1. What was the role of Colin Powell?

2. Who decided to give $43 million in aid to the Taliban regime in May 2001?

3. Did he know that production of opium in Afghanistan fell from 3276 tonnes in 2000 to 185 in 2001?

4. What was the purpose of his decision to treat the Taliban prisoners as War Prisoners? Is this decision in any way related to media reports 2 days earlier that Powell may have been involved in negotiations with Indian Power Plants?

5. What was the purpose of his short trip to Latin America on September 11?

6. Who decided that he fly to Latin America on that day?

7. Why would someone threaten him in Afghanistan on January 17, 2002 as Newsweek reported?

8. What was the purpose of Powell meeting with India's foreign minister on April 6, 2001?

9. Did Enron or Cheney ask Powell to help collect a $64 million debt on an Indian plant project?

GEORGE H.W. BUSH

1. When was the last time George H.W. Bush traveled to South Arabia on behalf of the Carlyle Group?

2. What was the purpose of that meeting?

THOMAS WHITE

1. Is Thomas White still in contact with ENRON?

2. Did his contact at anytime influence his decisions?

3. Does he still own ENRON stocks?

DELMART VREELAND

1. Did Vreeland warn Canadian Intelligence in May 2001 about possible terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon?

2. Did he place the warning in an envelope while in prison in Toronto, Canada?

3. Where did he get his information?

4. Whom did he give the envelope to?

5. Why was he placed in jail?

SAUDI-BINLADIN-GROUP.COM

1.Was the domain created on September 11th, 2000?

2. Who paid for that domain?

3. Are they also owners of Iridium Satellites?

4. When did they end contact with relatives of the Bush family?

THE CARLYLE GROUP

1. When was the last time George H.W. Bush traveled to Saudi Arabia on behalf of the privately owned Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the U.S.?

2. What was the purpose of that meeting?

3. When did he resign from Carlyle Group?

4. Is he still in touch with any of their representatives?

STEPHEN LANDER, Director MI5

1. Did Lander monitor a phone conversation between Zacarias Moussaoui and Richard Reid in Dec. 2000?

2. What did Lander tell representatives of the CIA about Zacarias Moussaoui?

3. Why did he stop monitoring Djamel Beghal, member of Takfir-wal-Hijra (financed by Osama bin Laden) in August 2001?

BIN LADEN IN DUBAI

1. Did Bin Laden in July 2001 enter an American hospital in Dubai?

2. Did he arrive on July 4, 2001 on a flight from Qetta, Pakistan to American Hospital?

3. Was he at the hospital July 4-11, 2001?

4. Did Bernard Koval, CEO of American Hospital, ever speak with Doctor Terry Callaway about that visit?

5. Why did he change his statements about this story not being true and that he "asked around"?

6. What is the difference between Continuous Ambulatory Peritoneal Dialysis and Continuous Cycling Peritoneal Dialysis?

7. Did Koval know Larry Stevens?

8. Can Koval explain why Richard Labeviere, author of "Terror Dollars" (about illegal Al-Qaeda accounts), wrote the story about Osama Bin Laden's kidney operation?

GEORGE W. BUSH

1. What exactly happened on September 11 and at what time was President Bush informed?

2. Why was President Bush scheduled to visit a school in Florida?

3. Who scheduled the time of the visit?

4. When exactly did Bush learn about the first crash into the WTC?

5. How could he have seen that on TV?

6. Why didn't he interrupt his school meeting as soon as he learned of the first plane crash?

7. Did Bush ever wonder how Bin Laden was able to hear the first plane crash live on the radio?

8. Which radio station he was listening to?

9. Can Bush explain how Bin Laden's Home Video was found only two weeks after it was produced?

10. Why did Bush decide to release Bin Laden's Home Video?

11. What is the purpose of the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHISC) in Fort Benning, Georgia, where terrorists have been trained for undercover agents in South America? Bush stated "if any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents, they have become outlaws and murderers themselves". So what does he think about Fort Benning?

12. What is the role of Zalmay Khalilzad (former UNOCAL) in the National Security Council ?

13. What is the current role of Zalmay Khalilzad (former UNOCAL) in Afghanistan?

14. When was Bush's last contact with anyone from ENRON?

15. Why was China admitted to the WTO on September 13 after 15 years of unsuccessful attempts?

16. Why did Bush postpone the release of Ronald Reagan's records?

17. How does Bush feel about the need to investigate the CIA's mistakes?

18. Does Bush agree with senators John McCain, Joseph I. Lieberman, Porter J. Goss, former C.I.A. clandestine case officer and a Florida Republican, Richard C. Shelby and Ron Paul, US Congressman, who want an investigation and have said "Secret government is winning out over open government"?

19. Why did Bush continue to sit in that classroom reading to children when he should have been conferring with his advisors?

20. Why did Bush say that he and Card initially thought it was an accident involving a small plane?

21. Given all the information sources available to the POTUS and his staff how could his people not have known the kind of plane involved?

22. Why didn't they know at this point, as did the FAA and NORAD, that aircraft were hijacked? The Batallion Chief in the 9/11 video was seen and heard asking for military backup immediately after the building was hit.

23. How come the NYFD knew it was terrorism right away but the POTUS and his aides just calmly went about their business?

TONY BLAIR

1. Were 25,000 British troops and the largest British Armada since the Falkland Islands War, part of Operation 'Essential Harvest' pre-positioned in Oman, the closest point on the Arabian Peninsula to Pakistan before September 11, 2001?

2. When did he begin to place SIS-Special Forces in Afghanistan? Why?

THE SUN-SENTINEL

1. Did Gloria Irish own unit 1504 at the Delray Racquet Club, 755 Dotterel?

2. Did she rent that property to Hamza Alghamdi in August 2001?

3. Why did the media not report about a connection of the Sun-Sentinel and the hijackers?

4. Why did it first appear that the hijackers had something to do with the anthrax attacks?

5. Why has this connection or coincidence never appeared in the media again?

6. What was the connection between husband Michael Irish (SunSentinel) and Bob Stevens (who died from Anthrax)?

WARNINGS

1. When did Vladimir Putin warn the CIA about a possible terrorist attack and what was their reaction?

2. What was the purpose of the meeting between Christina Rocca, director of Asian affairs at the State Department and the Taliban ambassador Mollah Abdul Salam Zaeef in Islamabad in August 2001?

3. Why did she oversee the delivery of Stinger missiles in the 80s to Afghan mujaheddin?

4. Did Walid Arkeh in Seminole County jail inform the FBI in August 2001 about an attack on America? What was the reaction of the FBI?

5. Why did Dr. Jeffrey Starr, U.S. department of defense, visit Tajikistan in Jan 2001?

6. When did Jean-Claude Cousseran, Director DGSE , French Secret Service inform the CIA about terrorist attacks on America? What was their reaction?

7. What does he know about the monitoring of Djamel Beghal, member of Takfir-wal-Hijra (financed by Osama bin Laden) and Kamel Daoudi? Did he ever inform the CIA about that? And when?

8. When did Italian Deputy Prime Minister Gianfranco Fini inform the CIA about a possible attack on the American president "with the use of an airplane"? What was their reaction?

9. When did President Mubarak, Egypt, inform the CIA about a possible attack on America with an "airplane stuffed with explosives"? What was their reaction?

10. When did Efraim Halevy , Director of Mossad since 1998 (unconfirmed) inform the CIA about a possible attack with "200 terrorists" on America? What was their reaction?

11. Is it true he warned Ariel Sharon not to travel to New York on September 11 to speak at a festival?

12. Did a caller to Loxley Banks, Director Radio Cayman Islands talk show, give several warnings of an imminent attack on the U.S on Sept. 3 -10?

13. The London Times reported that someone from the FAA warned Salman Rushdie not to travel to the United States on September 3rd? If this is true, who was it?

14. Did the FBI investigate the two men who met Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi in Harry's Bar at the Helmsley Hotel in Manhattan on September 8, 2001?

15. Who does Abdullah Abdullah (Northern Alliance) believe killed Commander Ahmad Shah Massoud on September 9, 2001?

16. When and why did he decide to attack Kabul on September 11 at 5:30 PM?

17. When did he decide to invade Masar-i-Scharif

18. Did the CIA helped him provoke a tumult?

19. Did he ever meet John Walker Lindh?

20. Why was Major John Kenny, Commander Wright Patterson Air Base, Dayton placed on high alert on September 10? Did he inform companies in Dayton to shutdown their offices?

21. Why was Colonel William M. Dietrick , Commander Defense Language Institute in Garrison, Monterey on high alert on September 10?

22. Why did one of Kenneth (Ken) Weinbrecht (President SAMS ) executives say on September 10, that he was a 'Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.'"

23. Did Jean-Louis Bruguiere, French anti-terrorism, inform the CIA on September 10 about a possible terrorist attack? If so, what was their reaction?

24. Why did Atta and hijacker Abdulaziz Alomari check into a Portland, Maine motel (unidentified) on September 10?

25. Why was the Portland, Airport, according to eye-witnesses, in full charge of more military officials and soldiers than usual, weeks before September 11, 2001?

26. Why, as the San Francisco Chronicle reported, was Mayor Brown warned to be "cautious in your travel" the night of September 10? Who warned him?

27. Why did Alex Diamandis, Odigo Vice President of Sales and Marketing, receive a warning on his messenger service about a possible attack on America on September 11, 2001? At which time?

28. When did Dr.August Hanning , President BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst Germany) inform the CIA that "Middle Eastern terrorists are 'planning to hijack commercial aircraft ?" What was their reaction? Did he allow an Iranian prisoner in Hamburg call to the CIA in Summer 2001 about an attack on America? What was their reaction?

AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL/GLOBAL HAWK

1. Why did Kenneth Waldie, Stanley Hall, Herbert Homer and Peter Gay of Raytheon travel on Sept. 11?

2. Can Global Hawk technology be used for at least 27 hours?

3. Is Global Hawk technology used in commercial airplanes?

4. Did Danielle O'Brien, air traffic controller, inform another air traffic control center about a plane traveling fast southwest of Dulles after spotting it 8:18 AM on September 11?

5. Who was informed and what happened?

THE PENNSYLVANIA CRASH

1. Why didn't Dr. James G. Roche, Secretary of the Air Force try to reach the airplanes in NYC (7 minutes time for McGuire AFB in New Jersey ) and at the Pentagon (10 minutes time)?

2. Did Roche ever try to shutdown the plane in Pennsylvania?

3. Can Roche explain why magazines of that plane were found 20 miles away from the crash? Andrews AFB is 13 miles away. He had one hour and fifteen minutes to respond to the plane that hit the Pentagon. What happened during that time?

4. Can he explain why many ear and eye witnesses, including workers of the road construction company New Enterprise saw or heard F-16 jets?

5. Why did President Bush say only one week later that he tried to shutdown that plane?

6. Who gave that decision?

DEFENSE ALERTS AND MOVEMENTS

1. Why did George Bush leave Barksdale Air Force Base aboard Air Force One and flew to an Air Force base in Nebraska on 1:48 PM on September 11 and returned to Washington at 4:30 PM?

2. What exactly did Donald Rumsfeld do that day before he arrived at the Pentagon around 3:55 PM?

3. How did Rumsfeld know at 5:30 PM on September 11 that the plane in Pennsylvania could have been headed for one of three possible targets: Camp David, the White House or the U.S. Capitol building?

4. Can he explain why early media reports told us that no squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets have been at Andrews and later changed their reports that they haven't been on high alert only?

5. Why was Air Force Lt. Col. Vic Warzinski, another Pentagon spokesman, so sure on September 11 that aircraft was coming your way?

6. What did the D.C. Air National Guard in Washington do on September 11?

7. Can he explain what those 3 fighters did from 9:40AM until 9:55AM when they finally turned towards Flight 93 and were 60 miles out at 10:06am?

8. Can he explain why Air Traffic Controllers in a Nashua Telegraph article did report an F-16 was circling Flight 93 and was in visual range at the time of crash?

9. Can he confirm a witness report that National Guard F-16's have been at Hancock field in Syracuse NY in the air early that morning before 9AM?

10. How could the hijackers know how to disable defense systems?

11. What was the official reason that fighters of the 305th Air Wing, McGuire Air Force Base, NJ did not intercept the 2nd hijacked plane in NYC? This would have been possible within 7 minutes after 8:48 AM.

12. Why did none of the 459th Aircraft Squadron (Andrews AFB) fighters intercept the plane which crashed into the Pentagon? Andrews AFB is 10 miles from Washington DC.

13. Col. Ken McClellan, Air Force spokesman said on September 11, that Mohammad Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell/Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, and was seen by eye-witnesses? What was McClellan doing there? Why did he later deny the report?

14. Why did he decide not to shutdown ECHELON base Bad Aibling in Germany as planned for 2002?

15. What is the reason that none of any Air Force fighters reached the hijacked plane in time?

16. Many ear and eye witnesses think that the plane in Pennsylvania was shot down. What is the scientific explanation why the magazine of the airplane was found many miles away?

17. Why did Jack Kelly, idefense.com, inform USA Today only 12 minutes after the first crash (8:48AM), that terror groups using Web encryption may have been responsible? And why was he so sure before the second crash at 9:03 PM?

18. Did Kelly serve with the U.S. government where he managed several significant programs for the information warfare and intelligence communities?

19. Did Joseph J. Esposito, Chief of NYPD try to contact the Pentagon at 9:06 AM on September 11? What was their reaction?

20. Why didn't General Elwood "Pete" Quesada of the FAA inform President Bush between 8:15 and 9:05 about four simultaneously hijacked planes? Who did he inform and what was their reaction?

THE WTC COLLAPSE

1. What does Nicholas Scoppetta of FDNY know about the latest reports of the WTC destruction?

2. Can he explain why many witnesses saw and heard more than two explosions in the WTC?

3. Can he explain why both Twin Towers and Building 7 collapsed in that way?

4. Can he explain why a gas tank was in Building 7?

5. Can he explain why there were no passengers in the subway under the WTC?

6. Can he explain why there was no guard at the gold reservoir under the WTC?

7. Why did Dr. Jeffrey P. Koplan, Director CDC prepare, as CNN reported, emergency-response teams on September 11 at 11:16 PM?

MISCELLANEOUS

1. When did Dr.August Hanning , President BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst Germany) inform the CIA that "Middle Eastern terrorists are 'planning to hijack commercial aircraft ?" What was their reaction? Did he allow an Iranian prisoner in Hamburg call to the CIA in Summer 2001 about an attack on America? What was their reaction?

2. When did Tayseer Allouni , Kabul correspondent Al-Jazeera, receive his first video from Bin Laden? Can he explain why the first video on October 7 2001, the day of the retaliation, looked like it was recorded in the morning?

3. Did Tom Simmons (former U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan), Karl Inderfurth (former Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian affairs) and Lee Coldren (former State Department expert on South Asia) decide or announce in a July 2001 meeting that an attack was planned on the Taliban in October 2001?

4. Why did Ms. Barbara Bodine, US ambassador to Yemen stop John O'Neill from investigating Al-Quaeda accounts in July 2001?

5. Did Niaz Niak, former Pakistani Foreign Secretary say in mid July 2001 that the USA planned military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban?

6. Did Hameed Gul, retired Pakistani general of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence, say that a secret service was involved in the attack on America?

7. Why did Tommy Thompson, The Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, and other Bush cabinet members meet secretly (i.e. illegally) in Oct. 2001 with officials of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to develop plans for their Emergency Preparedness Task Force? Why did he decide on October 25, 2001 to ask Congress for another $500 million to produce Acambis's smallpox vaccine?

8. Why did it take 4.5 hours until Jean Marie Malecki , Director Palm Beach County Health Department, picked up the phone for employees of the AMI-Building, Boca Raton. This is where editor Bob Stevens got anthrax. Why did she wait two days before she visited that building again?

9. Why did Mayor Guilani sell WTC rubble to India for recycling and also China? Who made that decision?

10. What was the purpose of U.S. Ambassador Wendy Chamberlain's phone call on October 10, 2001 to the Pakistani oil minister? Why was she sure that a previously abandoned Unocal pipeline from Turkmenistan across Afghanistan to the Pakistani coast for the purpose of selling oil and gas to China, was back on the table in view of recent geopolitical developments?

11. What exactly was found on Z. Moussaoui's computer after 9/11, when local agents were given a Federal Intelligence Security Act (FISA) warrant, which they had requested six weeks previously? This ties directly into the question of the administration's dealings with the Taliban, its reluctance to investigate Saudi nationals, etc.

12. Why the attack on Cynthia McKinney for asking: 1) why has there been no investigation of the 9-11 attack? and 2) did Bush/CIA/NSA know of it beforehand, and allow it to happen?

13. Why is the Bush administration so strongly against a real investigation into the events of 9-11?

14. Why did the US give 43 million dollars to Afghanistan back in May or June of 2001

15. Why did Bush toss the Hart-Rudman terror security study (developed over a 2 year period) and instead assign responsibility to Cheney and FEMA?

16. Why did Ashcroft stops flying commercial, citing an unidentified "threat" in July 2001? Why did the FBI and Justice not identify the form, origin and time of the threat?

17. Why did Bush stay in Texas for the month of August and Cheney in Wyoming?

18. Why didn't the Secret Service hustle Dubya out of the classroom a half-second after Andy Card told him, "Mr. pResident, the nation is under attack"?

19. Why did they leave him exposed to danger for two and a half minutes in the classroom and another half-hour in the school before he returned to the relative safety of Air Force One?

20. Where was George H. W. Bush at the time of the attacks?

21. Why did passengers or crewmembers on three of the flights tell people on the ground that the highjackers had "box cutters"?

22. Where are the flight recorders?

23. How did they find a passport that just "happens" to belong to one of the hijackers in the WTC rubble and they can't locate even ONE flight recorder?

24. Why no investigative reporting of the Pentagon scene? The photos do not show much, but then photographers were not allowed, initially, to photograph the scene, if I remember correctly.

25. Why was the series of recommendations Al Gore also put together in 1996 on airport security called by Republican congress "paranoid" and too harsh. Why did the airline industry, lobbying against it, consider it too expensive and impractical.

26. Why was the Hart-Rudman report on the potential dangers of terrorism in the homeland. The results of the research ignored by Bush?

27. Why were FISA warrants disallowed by Bush?

28. Why did the US pull the plug on Muslim websites Monday September 10, 2001?

29. Why did the Saudi bin-Laden-group have a website with a PRE-SET expiration date of Sept. 11, 2001?

30. Why were the bin Ladens flown out of the U.S. on private jets the day after the 9/11?

31. Why did Cheney say that everyone in the White House started taking Cipro on September 12 when the first anthrax letter wasn't postmarked until September 18?

32. Why did Bush dissolve the Bin Laden Task Force? What would have happened had this focused and knowledgeable group been in place 9 months before 911?

33. Why was metallic debris found 8 miles from the crash site of the plane that went down in Penn? They said it went straight down and left a small hole in the ground. If they found metallic debris from the plane 8 miles away it was either shot down or a bomb exploded in the plane.

34. Why did they not let the media or any reporters take video or photos of the crash site?

kun je dat misschien iets leesbaarder indelen? T is zelfs te lang om te quoten -.-

En wat heeft het met Charlie Sheen te maken?

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Op maandag 12 oktober 2009 21:03 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:
kun je dat misschien iets leesbaarder indelen?

in wingdings of chinees ?

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En wat heeft het met Charlie Sheen te maken?

.... ergens in het midden......

Mooie lijst met vragen!

Heel leuk dat Charlie Sheen denkt dat 9/11 een complot is, maar het zegt natuurlijk niks. Is natuurlijk gewoon een autoriteitsdrogreden. De man heeft immers niet meer kennis betreft 9/11 dan jan met de pet.

Zulke posts mogen wel wat overzichtelijker, Oversight...

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Op dinsdag 13 oktober 2009 08:33 schreef Dragorius het volgende:
Zulke posts mogen wel wat overzichtelijker, Oversight...

Overzichtelijker dan dit kun je de vragen niet aangeleverd krijgen......


Je zou ze in plaats van deze logische volgorde op alfabet kunnen zetten... maar daar wordt het niet duidelijker van, en zeker niet overzichtelijker.

Ik heb de chaos niet veroorzaakt, en deze vragenlijst schept orde,... loop ze maar na.

Maar wie gaat ze beantwoorden

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Op dinsdag 13 oktober 2009 10:35 schreef Dragorius het volgende:
Maar wie gaat ze beantwoorden

ieder voor zich, charlie voor ons allen ?

Charlie Sheen wel

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Op maandag 12 oktober 2009 22:11 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:
Heel leuk dat Charlie Sheen denkt dat 9/11 een complot is, maar het zegt natuurlijk niks. Is natuurlijk gewoon een autoriteitsdrogreden. De man heeft immers niet meer kennis betreft 9/11 dan jan met de pet.

Als Jan met de Pet al zulke kennis heeft betreffende 9/11, waarom is er dan geen fatsoenlijke overheidsinstantie die vragen als die van Sheen beantwoordt?

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Op woensdag 14 oktober 2009 02:03 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:

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Als Jan met de Pet al zulke kennis heeft betreffende 9/11, waarom is er dan geen fatsoenlijke overheidsinstantie die vragen als die van Sheen beantwoordt?

Veel van die vragen zijn al beantwoord, veel van die vragen zijn drogredenen en veel van de vragen zijn gewoon fout. Dan blijven er wel een aantal interessante vragen over die inderdaad nog niet beantwoord zijn, maar het is niet Charlie Sheen alleen die die vragen stelt, noch is het Charlie Sheen die op die vragen is gekomen. (nu heb ik het over de lange la vragen) het interview bevat nog veel meer onzinnige vragen.

In andere woorden. Er zijn inderdaad nog vragen die open staat m.b.t. 9-11. Charlie Sheen maakt die vragen echter niet meer valide omdat hij een acteur is, noch geef je die vragen meer gewicht door ze tussen 90% onzin-vragen te zetten.

Het is een beetje het 'waarom'-spelletje:


iedereen die kinderen heeft van een bepaalde leeftijd zal het herkennen.... op een moment ontdekken kinderen dat ze op elke vraag de vervolgvraag 'maar waarom is dat zo' kunnen stellen.

Imho hangt het ok samen met en sort van realisatie van taal én dat hun ouders heus niet alle antwoorden hebben, maar is het voor die kinderen domweg ook leuk om te zien hoe hun ouders erst heel netjes proberen alle vragen kind-gerecht blijven beantwoorden, dan in het zweten komen omdat ze ook niet voor alles een verklaring _kunnen_ hebben en utieindelijk bot en getergt uiroepen 'Daarom, en nu is het uit!"


Wat veel complot-denkers doen is precies dat spelletje.... op alles de hele tijd een standaard tegenvraag 'ja maar waarom is dat zo' stellen.
Pschychologisch is het ook verklaarbaar als je kijkt naar de reactie op de 9/11-aanslagen... in reactie daarop was het amerikaanse volk voor 90% vóór hun president en de regering en steunde alle vermeende maatregelen die die namen, zoals een kleuter blind zn ouders vertrouwd...

Uiteindelijk bleek de amerikaanse regering dat ongebreidelde vertrouwen grandioos misbruikt te hebben... enorme verregaande maatregelen door te voeren die iedere vorm van democratische en parlementaire tegencontrole mistten en daardoor lastig te controleren zijn op misbruik (misbruik dat vervolgens ook veelvuldig voorkomt).
Het ander aspect was het beginnen van een Oorlog tegen Irak onder de suggestie van een link met 9/11 of iig een direkt gevaar voor de VS; wat uiteindelijk gewoon een ongekende leugen was..


de steke verbreiding van complot-denken is imho vooral een psychologische tegenreactie op het evenzeer irrationele vertrouwen dat een groot deel van de amerikaanse bevolking in de nasleep van 9/11 in hun rgering had ...
tevens, juist door dan te gaan roepen over een 'gemeen complot' kan diezelfde bevolking ook zn eigen 'verantwoordelijkheid' wegschuiven... in plaats van te moeten erkennen dat ze halsoverkop ook zelf in gigantische mate de doorvoer van bepaalde maatregelen en het beginnen van een onterechte oorlog gesteund hebben door 'onoplettendheid' en een puur emotionele meesleperij, kan men het gooien op 'een gemeen complot'.

Ik vind CS niet echt sterk met zijn vragen. Maar als het werkt of media-aandacht krijgt. Waarom niet. het is volgens mij mislukt. Obama doet alsoif ie niks heeft gezien of gehoord. Hij praat liever met kleine jongens van 11 die een grappige 'aww" show opvoeren. Obama is een popster-politicus. Hij wil faam, hij is enkelt een PR-man meer niet.

de VS zit zelf niet achter de aanslagen. wel is het zo dat ze wisten dat er iets ging gebeuren en dat ze slecht hebben opgetreden. de regering houd wel crusiale informatie achter om zo hun eigen fouten te verbergen.

de VS had veel slachtoffers kunnen voorkomen om simpelweg iets te doen. ze hebben in eerdere jaren 99% van gekaapte vliegtuigen binnen een zeer korte tijd onderschept. nu na 2 kapingen staan de f16 nog op de grond en wordt er niks gedaan. geen 1 vliegtuig is onderschept!!! terwijl normaal dit supersnel gedaan werd. erg dom dus en hierdoor veel meer slachtoffers dan nodig was.

dus de VS is niet degene die achter de aanslagen zit. ze hebben wel dom en erg slecht gehandeld waardoor er onnodige slachtoffers zijn gevallen.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 11:59 schreef mckok1 het volgende:
de VS zit zelf niet achter de aanslagen. wel is het zo dat ze wisten dat er iets ging gebeuren en dat ze slecht hebben opgetreden. de regering houd wel crusiale informatie achter om zo hun eigen fouten te verbergen.

de VS had veel slachtoffers kunnen voorkomen om simpelweg iets te doen. ze hebben in eerdere jaren 99% van gekaapte vliegtuigen binnen een zeer korte tijd onderschept. nu na 2 kapingen staan de f16 nog op de grond en wordt er niks gedaan. geen 1 vliegtuig is onderschept!!! terwijl normaal dit supersnel gedaan werd. erg dom dus en hierdoor veel meer slachtoffers dan nodig was.

dus de VS is niet degene die achter de aanslagen zit. ze hebben wel dom en erg slecht gehandeld waardoor er onnodige slachtoffers zijn gevallen.

Ik mis een reden waarom de VS niet achter de aanslagen zou zitten... en ik mis ook een alternatieve dader met motief.

Alvast bedankt.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:16 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:

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Ik mis een reden waarom de VS niet achter de aanslagen zou zitten... en ik mis ook een alternatieve dader met motief.

Alvast bedankt.

Eerste is een beetje rare vraag, tweede osama.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:18 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:

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Eerste is een beetje rare vraag, tweede osama.

Het leuke met internet is, dat als je een leugen steeds herhaalt, dat het dan niet meer waarheid wordt, maar meer leugen.

Met je Osama. Als je dat nog steeds gelooft hoor je bij de <knip> minderheid van het volk. Osama is zoals iedereen weet een CIA asset. Hij werd in Joegoslavië door NATO gebruikt om moslims op te ruien, etc.

Zijn fictieve groep met zogenaamde mededaders zijn allemaal levend opgedoken, aldus de BBC.

Ook is het vreemd dat wanneer 95% van de zogenaamde daders uit Saoedi Arabië komen, Afghanistan en Irak aangevallen worden, die geen ruk met 9/11 te maken hadden.

Gaat vooral door met liegen en desinformeren, hierdoor worden de cruciale leugens van de establishment steeds duidelijker. Bedankt.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:28 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:

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Het leuke met internet is, dat als je een leugen steeds herhaalt, dat het dan niet meer waarheid wordt, maar meer leugen.

Met je Osama. Als je dat nog steeds gelooft hoor je bij de minderheid van het volk. Osama is zoals iedereen weet een CIA asset. Hij werd in Joegoslavië door NATO gebruikt om moslims op te ruien, etc.

Zijn fictieve groep met zogenaamde mededaders zijn allemaal levend opgedoken, aldus de BBC.

Ook is het vreemd dat wanneer 95% van de zogenaamde daders uit Saoedi Arabië komen, Afghanistan en Irak aangevallen worden, die geen ruk met 9/11 te maken hadden.

Gaat vooral door met liegen en desinformeren, hierdoor worden de cruciale leugens van de establishment steeds duidelijker. Bedankt.

Waarom geloof je dit in hemelsnaam? Waarom zouden de bronnen die jij hiervoor gebruikt wel betrouwbaar zijn?

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Dragorius op 27-10-2009 12:32:52 (knip) ]

Kappen met persoonlijk geflame.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:32 schreef Zwansen het volgende:

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Waarom geloof je dit in hemelsnaam? Waarom zouden de bronnen die jij hiervoor gebruikt wel betrouwbaar zijn?

Dit inderdaad, het enige substantiele in die post is dat het verkeerde land aan is gevallen, maar ik denk ook niet dat veel mensen daar aan zullen twijfelen (behalve enkele fox kijkers) maar dat impliceert alleen opportunisme.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:32 schreef Zwansen het volgende:

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Waarom geloof je dit in hemelsnaam? Waarom zouden de bronnen die jij hiervoor gebruikt wel betrouwbaar zijn?

Omdat het logisch is. Als je twijfelt aan bronnen als bijvoorbeeld Agence France Presse, ga vooral je gang.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:42 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:

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Omdat het logisch is. Als je twijfelt aan bronnen als bijvoorbeeld Agence France Presse, ga vooral je gang.

Want die onderschrijven je hele claim?
Kom maar op met die bron dan!

Meanwhile, bin Laden was granted a Bosnian passport in 1993 by that "country's" embassy in Vienna, according to an Agence France Presse report of Sept. 24. The AFP cited an independent Bosnian weekly, "Dani:"

"Bosnian embassy in Vienna granted a passport to bin Laden in 1993," the Dani magazine said, quoting anonymous sources and emphasizing that files and traces linked to his case have been recently destroyed by the Bosnian Muslim government.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:44 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:
Meanwhile, bin Laden was granted a Bosnian passport in 1993 by that "country's" embassy in Vienna, according to an Agence France Presse report of Sept. 24. The AFP cited an independent Bosnian weekly, "Dani:"

"Bosnian embassy in Vienna granted a passport to bin Laden in 1993," the Dani magazine said, quoting anonymous sources and emphasizing that files and traces linked to his case have been recently destroyed by the Bosnian Muslim government.

avec une linke s.v.p.

edit: wacht even 1993 is 8 jaar voor 9-11 -.-
Dat de US met Bin Ladens zaken deden is relevant hoe?

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:46 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:

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avec une linke s.v.p.

Het bericht kwam uit 1999 van AFP. De bron waar het instond had destijds geen website.
Google maar "Bosnian embassy in Vienna granted a passport to bin Laden in 1993,", dan vind je genoeg restanten van artikelen.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:48 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:

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Het bericht kwam uit 1999 van AFP. De bron waar het instond had destijds geen website.
Google maar "Bosnian embassy in Vienna granted a passport to bin Laden in 1993,", dan vind je genoeg restanten van artikelen.

maar hoe bewijst dat dat osama bin laden de aanslagen niet gepleegd zou kunnen hebben?

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:49 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:

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maar hoe bewijst dat dat osama bin laden de aanslagen niet gepleegd zou kunnen hebben?

Gast, doe niet zo retorisch. Het ging om Zwansen zijn opmerking waarom ik bronnen als betrouwbaar acht.
Het blijkt dat er nog individuele onafhankelijke journalistiek plaatsvindt, om ons te voorzien met op waarheid berustte feitelijkheden.


From the 'The Washington Times' June 22, 2001

"The rebels would have their big brothers in America - the same heroes who led the NATO mission against their enemies, the Serbs - believe that the violence they are now perpetrating in Macedonia is merely about protecting minority rights. But the National Liberation Army (NLA), a splinter of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), also has another motive: It is fighting to keep control over the region's drug trafficking, which has grown into a large, lucrative enterprise since the Kosovo war. In addition to drug money, the NLA also has another prominent venture capitalist: Osama bin Laden. The Muslim terrorist leader, according to a document obtained by The Washington Times and written by the chief commander of the Macedonian Security Forces, puts out the front money for the rebel group through a representative in Macedonia: 'This person is representative of Osama Ben laden sic , who is the main financial supporter of the National Liberation Army, where up to date he has paid $6 million to $7 million for the needs of the National Liberation Army.'"

From 'The Canberra Times' (Australia ) April 28, 2000 - Page 8

"BIN LADEN IN KOSOVO ACTS

"BELGRADE: Islamic Saudi millionaire Osama bin Laden, wanted for terrorism by the United States, is in Kosovo. The official Yugoslav news agency Tanjug said bin Laden, whom it described as a " terrorist and Islamic fanatic" , arrived from Albania after having formed a group of 500 Islamic fighters in the eastern region around Korce and Pogradec to carry out " terrorist acts" in Kosovo.

"He planned similar acts in the southern region of Serbia bordering on Kosovo, including Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac, the agency said."

Wellicht interessant voor alle Dutchbat-veteranen die dit soort topics met interesse volgen.

Meer? Okay.

'The Charleston Gazette.' November 30, 1998 - Page 2A

"BIN LADEN RUNS TERRORIST NETWORK, REPORT SAYS

"LONDON - The man accused of orchestrating the U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa operates a terrorist network out of Albania, The Sunday Times reported.

"The newspaper quoted Fatos Klosi, the head of the Albanian intelligence service, as saying a network run by Saudi exile Osama Bin Laden sent units to fight in the Serbian province of Kosovo.

"Bin Laden is believed to have established an Albanian operation in 1994 after telling the government he headed a wealthy Saudi humanitarian agency wanting to help Albania, the newspaper reported.

"Klosi said he believed terrorists had already infiltrated other parts of Europe from bases in Albania. Apparent confirmation of Bin Laden's activities came earlier this month during the murder trial of Claude Kader, 27, a French national who said he was a member of Bin Laden's Albanian network, the newspaper said.

"Kader claimed during the trial he had visited Albania to recruit and arm fighters for Kosovo.

Zoals blijkt is/was Osama voor de CIA een praktische dude om conflicten in stand te houden en/of te creëren.

Hier, trouwens, dat hele artikel van Agence France Press met betrekking tot de uitgifte van een paspoort aan Bin Laden in Wenen.

"BIN LADEN WAS GRANTED BOSNIAN PASSPORT

"Agence France Presse September 24, 1999

"SARAJEVO

"Osama bin Laden, the Saudi billionaire wanted by the United States for organising bloody terrorist attacks, was granted a Bosnian passport in 1993 by the country's [i.e., Bosnia]embassy in Vienna, an independent weekly reported Friday.

"'The Bosnian embassy in Vienna granted a passport to bin Laden in 1993,' Dani magazine said, quoting anonymous sources, emphasizing that files and traces linked to his case have recently been destroyed by the [Bosnian] government.

"However, Bin Laden 'did not personally collect his Bosnian passport,' Dani said, without elaborating or explicitly stating that his passport was ever collected.

"'High Muslim officials of the Bosnian foreign ministry agreed that it [the destruction of files linked to bin Laden] was the top priority. It was even more important than investigating a person responsible for granting a passport to the most wanted terrorist in the world,' Dani reported.

"According to the article, Muslim political circles claim that six years ago officials at the Bosnian embassy in Vienna could not have known who bin Laden was.

"During the 1992-1995 Bosnia's war, the Vienna embassy has been 'making contacts with many Arab-world people seeking aid' for the mainly Muslim Bosnian army, the article said.

"The foreign ministry issued no comments on the article. Bin Laden, believed to be in Afghanistan, is accused by the United States of masterminding bloody bomb attacks against its embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in August of last year. Over 200 people were killed in these attacks. Washington has offered a reward of five million dollars for information leading to his arrest.

"Earlier this week the Bosnian government confirmed it had granted citizenship and passport to a Tunisian-born senior aide of bin-Laden in 1997. The government said citizenship was given to Mahrez Amduni, known in Sarajevo as Mehrez Amdouni, on the basis of his Bosnian army membership, stressing that there was no Interpol arrest warrant against him at that time.

"Amduni was arrested by Turkish police at Istanbul airport on September 13, in an operation in which Interpol also took part.

"During the Bosnia 1992-95 war some Islamic fighters battled alongside Muslim soldiers in central Bosnia against Bosnian Serbs and Croats. Most of them left the country after a US-brokered peace deal was signed in 1995. Some of them gained Bosnian citizenship as members of the Bosnian army or by marrying Bosnian women.

"The government has never revealed how many foreign fighters were granted Bosnian citizenship."

Copyright 1999 Agence France Presse

Ja dat geloof ik allemaal wel, maar jij claimt dat je met bronnen kunt onderbouwen dat osama de aanslagen niet heeft gepleegd. nou laat zien dan.

Het enige dat je nu laat zien is dat er een samenwerking is geweest voor 9-11, iets dat ik ook niet betwijfel.

Waar stel ik dat dan?

Serieus, met je verlepte retoriek, vertel ik eens waar ik precies zeg dat ik met bronnen kan aantonen dat Bin Laden 9/11 niet gepleegd heeft.

Als je die bronnen zo graag wil, zal ik ze wel even geven, maar de manier waarop jij de suggestie wekt dat ik bepaalde uitspraken doe die ik niet eens doe, maakt mij echt gemeen.

[ Bericht 23% gewijzigd door Dragorius op 27-10-2009 13:14:46 (afgelopen) ]

Kappen nu met dat op-de-man-spelen. Word er moe van.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 13:13 schreef Salvad0R het volgende: Waar stel ik dat dan? Serieus, met je verlepte retoriek, vertel ik eens waar ik precies zeg dat ik met bronnen kan aantonen dat Bin Laden 9/11 niet gepleegd heeft. Als je die bronnen zo graag wil, zal ik ze wel even geven, maar de manier waarop jij de suggestie wekt dat ik bepaalde uitspraken doe die ik niet eens doe, maakt mij echt gemeen.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:28 schreef Salvad0R het volgende: [..] Het leuke met internet is, dat als je een leugen steeds herhaalt, dat het dan niet meer waarheid wordt, maar meer leugen. Met je Osama. Als je dat nog steeds gelooft hoor je bij de <knip> minderheid van het volk. Osama is zoals iedereen weet een CIA asset. Hij werd in Joegoslavië door NATO gebruikt om moslims op te ruien, etc. Zijn fictieve groep met zogenaamde mededaders zijn allemaal levend opgedoken, aldus de BBC. Ook is het vreemd dat wanneer 95% van de zogenaamde daders uit Saoedi Arabië komen, Afghanistan en Irak aangevallen worden, die geen ruk met 9/11 te maken hadden. Gaat vooral door met liegen en desinformeren, hierdoor worden de cruciale leugens van de establishment steeds duidelijker. Bedankt.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:32 schreef Zwansen het volgende: [..] Waarom geloof je dit in hemelsnaam? Waarom zouden de bronnen die jij hiervoor gebruikt wel betrouwbaar zijn?

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 12:42 schreef Salvad0R het volgende: [..] Omdat het logisch is. Als je twijfelt aan bronnen als bijvoorbeeld Agence France Presse, ga vooral je gang.

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door Dragorius op 27-10-2009 13:18:58 (knip) ]

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

Best vreemd dat de FBI Bin Laden niet zoekt in verband met 9/11, vind je niet?

Of voormalig FBI medewerkster Sibel Edmonds die in een klokkenluider-interview met Brad Friedman uitlegt dat Bin Laden & de "Taliban" na de val van de Sovjet Unie alleen maar meer samenwerkten met de CIA en Verenigde Staten.
Edmonds kreeg een gag-order dat ze haar mond moest houden, maar deze zaken wegen te zwaar om over te kunnen zwijgen.

A Sibel Edmonds 'Bombshell' - Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Until 9/11
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7332

Whistleblower: Bin Laden was US proxy until 9/11
http://rawstory.com/08/ne(...)-us-proxy-until-911/

Na Joe Rogan ook Sheen

Wie is de volgende? Mel Gibson?

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 13:24 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

Best vreemd dat de FBI Bin Laden niet zoekt in verband met 9/11, vind je niet?

Ik zie daar toch echt: ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH staan.

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Of voormalig FBI medewerkster Sibel Edmonds die in een klokkenluider-interview met Brad Friedman uitlegt dat Bin Laden & de "Taliban" na de val van de Sovjet Unie alleen maar meer samenwerkten met de CIA en Verenigde Staten.
Edmonds kreeg een gag-order dat ze haar mond moest houden, maar deze zaken wegen te zwaar om over te kunnen zwijgen.

A Sibel Edmonds 'Bombshell' - Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Until 9/11
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7332

Whistleblower: Bin Laden was US proxy until 9/11
http://rawstory.com/08/ne(...)-us-proxy-until-911/

Zij zegt weer dat osama voor 9-11 met de ud samenwerkte, iets dat niet ontkend wordt.

Maar dat is geen bewijs dat de VS er zelf achter zit. Kan net zo goed een double-cross zijn

Deze zaken zijn allemaal al de revue gepasseerd, maar altijd zijn er kortzichtige (Ja Dragorius, kortzichtig is het juiste woord) figuren, die er voor kiezen om al behandelde zaken te negeren en de discussie oeverloos te laten verlopen in een welles-nietes verhaal.

Waar we het eigenlijk over moeten hebben hier is hoe we de huidige poppenspelers die zichzelf onze regering durven te noemen, en de Centrale Bankiers gaan vervangen door een systeem te installeren wat zich niet monopolistisch, tiranniek, louter winstgericht en uitbuitend opstelt.

Dan mag ik jou dus ook kortzichtig noemen omdat jij ook maar 1 kant wil zien?

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 13:28 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:
Deze zaken zijn allemaal al de revue gepasseerd, maar altijd zijn er kortzichtige (Ja Dragorius, kortzichtig is het juiste woord) figuren, die er voor kiezen om al behandelde zaken te negeren en de discussie oeverloos te laten verlopen in een welles-nietes verhaal.

Waar we het eigenlijk over moeten hebben hier is hoe we de huidige poppenspelers die zichzelf onze regering durven te noemen, en de Centrale Bankiers gaan vervangen door een systeem te installeren wat zich niet monopolistisch, tiranniek, louter winstgericht en uitbuitend opstelt.

Jij maakt een nogal bold claim een pagina eerder dat mensen die denken dat osama achter de aanslagen zit achterlijk zijn & dat je die uitspraak baseert op betrouwbare bronnen.
Dan zijn er twee mogelijkheden. óf je geeft die bronnen, óf je beweringen zijn pure speculatie wat je in een positie plaatst waarin jij de speculatieve uitspraken uitdraagt en dus de laatste bent die anderen kan beschuldigen van goedgelovigheid.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 13:27 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:

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Ik zie daar toch echt: ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH staan.
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Zij zegt weer dat osama voor 9-11 met de ud samenwerkte, iets dat niet ontkend wordt.

Als je er zo weinig kaas van gegeten hebt, waarom bemoei je je dan met dit soort discussies? Met de Federal Facility worden de Ambassades in Afrika bedoeld. Nergens staat "inside the United States". 9/11 wordt niet genoemd.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 13:31 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:

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Als je er zo weinig kaas van gegeten hebt, waarom bemoei je je dan met dit soort discussies? Met de Federal Facility worden de Ambassades in Afrika bedoeld. Nergens staat "inside the United States". 9/11 wordt niet genoemd.

Er staat ook dat hij suspect is in meerdere terroristische aanvallen. Daarnaast is het ook niet echt bewijs dat hij er niet van verdacht wordt want de FBI heeft al heel vaak gezegd dat ze er van overtuigd zijn dat hij verantwoordelijk is. Daarnaast is die poster van November 2001, het kan best zijn dat ze toen nog niet 100% zeker waren over zijn schuld.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 13:28 schreef Dragorius het volgende:
Dan mag ik jou dus ook kortzichtig noemen omdat jij ook maar 1 kant wil zien?

Het is juist de commerciële media die iedereen maar 1 kant van het verhaal opdringen. Het is niet dat ik de keus had dat te ontwijken. Die kant zit vol onmogelijkheden en tegenstrijdigheden (tegenstrijdige NIST rapporten, 9/11 Commission Report) en roept zoveel vragen op, dat het fucking ridicuul is dat er door (commerciële) media niet meer kanten van het verhaal belicht worden, of in ieder geval pogingen worden ondernomen om vragen überhaupt te beantwoorden.
In plaats daarvan zien we compleet stilzwijgen en belachelijke pogingen op bijvoorbeeld online fora om een alternatief verhaal te veroordelen en als "kortzichtig" af te schilderen.

Ik spuug er op. Stel vervangbaren.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 13:36 schreef oompaloompa het volgende:

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Er staat ook dat hij suspect is in meerdere terroristische aanvallen. Daarnaast is het ook niet echt bewijs dat hij er niet van verdacht wordt want de FBI heeft al heel vaak gezegd dat ze er van overtuigd zijn dat hij verantwoordelijk is. Daarnaast is die poster van November 2001, het kan best zijn dat ze toen nog niet 100% zeker waren over zijn schuld.

Gast, check jezelf dan in denial. Als er gegrond bewijs zou zijn dat Bin Laden achter 9/11 zit, dan zou de FBI de fucking eerste zijn om dat kenbaar te maken en gegrond actie te ondernmen.

Heerlijke discussie om te volgen hier.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 13:37 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:

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Het is juist de commerciële media die iedereen maar 1 kant van het verhaal opdringen. Het is niet dat ik de keus had dat te ontwijken. Die kant zit vol onmogelijkheden en tegenstrijdigheden (tegenstrijdige NIST rapporten, 9/11 Commission Report) en roept zoveel vragen op, dat het fucking ridicuul is dat er door (commerciële) media niet meer kanten van het verhaal belicht worden, of in ieder geval pogingen worden ondernomen om vragen überhaupt te beantwoorden.
In plaats daarvan zien we compleet stilzwijgen en belachelijke pogingen op bijvoorbeeld online fora om een alternatief verhaal te veroordelen en als "kortzichtig" af te schilderen.

Ik spuug er op. Stel vervangbaren.

Als kortzichtig betekent dat je informatie zomaar aanneemt zonder er kritische vragen bij te stellen, hoe ben ik dan kortzichtig als ik vraag naar onderbouwing van je uitspraken?

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 13:38 schreef Salvad0R het volgende:

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Gast, check jezelf dan in denial. Als er gegrond bewijs zou zijn dat Bin Laden achter 9/11 zit, dan zou de FBI de fucking eerste zijn om dat kenbaar te maken en gegrond actie te ondernmen.

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/watson020602.htm ???

Daarbij komt dat je gewoon liegt. De FBI geeft gewoon toe dat er geen bewijs is dat Bin Laden achter 9/11 zit, terwijl de US Bush Administration een dag na dato al aankwam zetten met een lijst daders.

Dat je ervoor kiest die fascistische oorlogszuchtige kant te steunen is menselijk gezien niet verantwoord.