Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #30

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 18:05 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Buster toen je lid werd van RU stond er in de eerste post aan jou gericht :
hey trollenvanger

Kan je dat uitleggen waarom dat was ?

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 18:37 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Die show is nu bezig ha ha foto's zijn vers van de pers

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 17:50 schreef JoBuster het volgende:
Dit leek me ook een HELE interessante voor de "nieuwkomers".
Veel vragen waarvan er nog vele onbeantwoord zijn, ik denk dat ik ze in de loop van de week 1 voor 1 zal behandelen en daarna misschien alle columns van Steve Yuhas die hierover gaan.


OPEN LETTER TO BETH TWITTY.

July 30th, 2006

DEAR BETH...

IT'S BEEN 425 DAYS SINCE YOUR DAUGHTER DISAPPEARED FROM ARUBA.

For about 6 months straight, you were a staple on all the cable news stations. You have been able to state, without proof/evidence that your daughter was a victim of being drugged, kidnapped, gang-raped and murdered. You have shown no proof of these allegations, whatsoever. You painted a picture of your daughter, that has come to light, is not true. She didn't graduate with honors at Mt Brook High School, she was not accepted into a college on a full-ride medical scholarship, nor did she have the character, that your had to establish to the public at large. My question is why did you have to LIE about your own daughter? Proof is in pictures posted on the internet, and proof is the listing in the Birmingham paper, that your daughter was not an honor grad. She never received a full-ride medical scholarship to ANY college. Why does it seem that you needed to create this whole other Natalee, that wasn't??

There are rumors abound that Natalee participated in attention seeking behavior, in the past. Your own step son, George Twitty III, even stated in the Birminham press last june, that his first reaction of hearing that his step-sister didn't make her flight home, was "What has she done now". So did Natalee run away before? What did GT III mean by this statement? Is this why, the FAB 7 was all set to go? Was this just another in a long line, of group FAB 7 on another venture to get Natalee back? Have you and the Fab 7, done this in the past, that you thought all of you, could swoop down in Aruba, get Natalee and get home to the USA before her biological father found out she had gone "missing"?

Why wasn't Dave Holloway contacted by you personally? Why was it he had to hear about his own daughters disappearance, late into the evening hours, after you were securely on your way to Aruba, by Matt? Why didn't you contact the man at all, when you landed or return his many frantic calls to you? Why did you leave him out of the loop? What were you in fear of him finding out? That Natalee has done this in the past? Who was the woman that changed Natalee flight for the next day?

What kind of relationship did Natalee have with her father? Why didn't she see her father for a year, before her disappearance? Why did her father feel uncomfortable entering your home, a home that she had lived in for the last 5 yrs of her life? What was it that had Natalee crying so hard, that her dad got in a vehicle and drove to Mt Brook, only to find out everything was "fine" when he got there? Why didn't Dave ever come to that house in the past? What was the divorce like between you and Dave? Did Natalee and Matt suffer because the divorce was not amlicable? Did you use those children as pawns because you both couldn't work out your own divorce issues? Why after the disappearance of your daughter that you both couldn't seem to put whatever differences aside and work together to help find your daughter?

What did your husband Jugs mean that he had to coach Natalee everday for 5 yrs after you and your children moved into his house? Did he coach Matthew the same way? How did Natalee react to this "coaching"? How did Natalee feel about Jug Twitty, her step-father? her step brother? What kind of feelings did Natalee have about moving from Mississippi to Alabama? Not only away from her biological father, but her only home she ever knew, school, her friends?? What kind of perfection was expected out of these children, by Jug Twitty? Why did Jug wait until AFTER you both were married to introduce you all to his children?

Was Jug ever physically abusive to those children? To you? Why is it that you left MB, and havent really been back? Were you an abused wife? Are you trying to protect the fact that Jug not only was physically abusive to you, and the children, but emotionally...as well? If thats the case, don't you think it would better serve a purpose you speaking out for all victims of abuse? I would think that would be more advantageous then spreading travel information. Has Natalee ever been in counseling? Have you ever been in family counseling with the children? How come Matt stayed at friends home, while you're traveling the U.S., instead of with his step father?

When upon hearing that Natalee missed her flight, your imediate reaction was "kidnapped". Why wouldn't you think she had an accident? Better yet, why didnt you just think that Natalee was out having a good time, lost all track of time, and just missed her flight? If you thought she had been kidnapped, WHY didn't you immediately contact the Aruban Authorities? You should know in a kidnapping situation the first 24-48 hours is crucial. YET YOU DIDN'T! That boggles my mind. Instead you contacted the FAB 7, got a private plane secured, posters made up and TOOK off to Aruba. Why wasn't there any hospitals called to see maybe if there was a JANE DOE taken to the hospital? Or if you felt your daughter was kidnapped, you made posters up ...........asking her to call you?

Upon arriving in Aruba, did you first go to the police? No. That boggles my mind. You first went to the hotel, to watch security video's. Then you weren't concerned about seeing YOUR daughter on them, you wanted to see the the boy, that you already had the name of that your daughter left with. You weren't concerned with finding Natalee, in as much as you were concerned with WANTING to get to the boy, YOU thought she was with. Then upon seeing/hearing that Natalee was not with him, immediately you made the deduction, and have had it in your mind since, that this young man was the person that YOU were going to see pay for her disappearance, and you haven't wavered from that since day 1.


What was behind the meaning of your statement, that when you seen all the Us Media decend upon Aruba, "that you new then, that you were in trouble"? What kind of trouble? Were you afraid, that the media might dig up some news that Natalee, had perhaps been a runaway before? That the "darling" you sold to the public, was not what she was about after all? Well it came out, through various internet sources...that Natalee was not the shy, never drank in Alabama, not a party girl, naive, etc, that you portrayed to the public. In fact, Natalee enjoyed drinking, partying, smoking, etc. That fact came out with the FBI statements given by those same "responsible" friends that Natalee hung out with. Amongst others back in Mt Brook, that were tired of the spin.

You stated a medi-jet was sitting on the carmac for two days. Why? I have never heard of a medi-jet on stand by for 2 days, for something that MIGHT happen. I would love for you to produce a receipt for this "medi-jet". It seems that this medi-jet while standing by in Aruba, another person who was harmed and needed it, might not be transported. Did Natalee have a drug problem in the past, that you might think that it uprooted itself again while in Aruba? How does one ask for a medi-jet to be flown in, and sit on a tarmac for two whole days? What kind of connections do you people have?

What was on that voice mail call to William at 4 am in the morning? Why did that phone call upset William so much, that had him crying on the phone to Charles Croes for 45 minutes? Why did you have a perfect stranger listen to a call that supposedly came from Natalee to William? Why didn't you share this with the police?

Why, when asked what type of luggage your daughter took with her to Aruba, you stated it was irrelevant? EVERYTHING is relevant in a missng persons case. Why does the DUTCH TV RE-ENACTMENT show Natalee arriving in Aruba, with a blue suitcase? Yet everytime her room is shown, or the hotel room is shown, there is only a small purple knapsack shown as her luggage? Did Natalee have a checking account? ATM card? Has her bank account been checked out, for withdrawals of large amounts for the days leading up to her disappearance? Are any of her clothes missing that you know of? Was her computer taken and checked out?

Did Natalee either text you messages or send emails to you during her stay in Aruba, or before she left? Did Natalee contact her brother while being in Aruba? Jugs? YOU say YOU never talked to Natalee,.but what about emails, text messages? How about leaving voice mails on the phone at home? Did she leave you a voice mail message on your cell phone? You say that Natalee's phone wasn't set up for international calling, but did Natalee have phone cards? Why wasn't her phone set up for international calling, when you knew this from Jug's sons trip from two years previous?And why is Joe Tapocina stating it as fact, that he has phone records that prove that what you were stating that there was no contact with Natalee, by you, or vice versa, not true??

There seems to be a discrepency in when you found out about Natalee's disappearance. FEB states she called your right away, at about 8 am that morning. Paul Lilly states he called you around 10:30. Jody Bearman states she called you at noon. You state you were driving down the road when you got the first phone call at noon. And you were still in Arkansas. That a Arkansas State Trooper pulled you over for going over 100 mph, and that you stated that your daughter had been kidnapped in Aruba and you needed help contacting the FBI. How did you make it back so quickly, from Arkansas to Mt Brook, make travel arrangements,secure a private plane, get a group of friends/family together, pack, and make posters and be down in Aruba by 11 pm that night? It's the timeline I have problems with. Can you clarify? Or was this already planned earlier. Did you get a phone call from someone earlier in the day, that Natalee had NO plans of coming back to Alabama? Maybe from Frances Ellen Byrd??

It still boggles my mind, and maybe you can help me understand, is WHY didn't YOU or JUG go immediately to the police station and file a report of a "kidnapping", or "missing persons" report? Why is it that there were several posters made, all with different phone numbers to contact?Why did you include a picture of YOU and Natalee on the poster? Wouldnt that confuse people? Maybe they were looking for you? Why is it you NEVER went on TV begging, pleading with the so called kidnappers to contact you? Why is it that it was only pleading for Natalee to contact you? Whatever it is, we can work it out? What is "it", that you were referring to? Did you know that Natalee was having some problems?


Why was sitting down and answering any and all questions posed to you by the ALE, not acceptable to you? Why did you keep turning the other cheek when your husband was acting like a abusive asshole on that island, to people who were only trying to help? What are you worried about that Julia Renfro might know? Why was it you had to resort to calling her a bitch? What did she do to you, that made you do an about face with her? Or was she seeing through the "scam", getting a bit to close to some truths, so you immediately had to put that fire out...and start discrediting her. Why was it, do you suppose that Karin Janssen stated that she would not communicate with either of you directly, that any and all communication would have to go through legal channels, such as an attorney. Could it be that Jug and you BOTH were verbally abusive to her, when it seemed like you weren't getting your way. Just who do you think YOU are, to go to another country, a soveriegn country, and try to change their laws, their way of doing things, just for you? Demands, threats, were not, and did not get you any closer to what happened to your daughter. Writing letters, demanding a "regimine" change did not endear you to those who were working day and night to find Natalee.

The arrest/release of 2 security guards, Mickey Johns and Abram Jones, you were almost gleeful these two were released. How do you know that they had nothing to do with your daughters disappearance? Apparently Natalee was seen on video speaking to Mickey Johns, THAT night. Is it true that there were items of the MB children, found in his home? That these said items were in fact traded for drugs? Apparently these two had a history, of trying to pick up young women tourists at the hotels. But yet again, IF anyone other that J2k, you dismiss as viable suspects, in your mind.


Why did you align yourself with so many unsavory characters? First Jossy Mansur, then Joe Mannama, Jamie Skeeters, etc. Its YOUR credibility that comes into question...........when the public sees you standing by these types, and calling them your "hero's". Joe M, stood there next to you, spilling out that ONE American's life is worth MORE than 100,000 Arubans. Are you that self-aborbed, or so full of yourself that YOU think that YOUR daughter is the only one that matters in this entire world? Open your eyes, since Natalee has been "missing" there have been at LEAST 10 cases of missing persons, that we the public know about (through the media) that have gone unsolved, RIGHT here on OUR borders. How many missing persons are in Alabama, that those families do not have closure, who showed up at the Govenors Mansion...and speaking of that, didn't you or JUGS feel a little bit guilty that "love bowls" were only put out for you two, when there were other family members with missing loved ones, that don't have closure, and all they got was a "candle"? Why aren't you calling for a BOYCOTT of your own STATE, for those people?

Why are the MB "children" and chaperones given a free pass by you? How can you say, with 100% certainty that none of them could of brought harm to Natalee? I am sure you know her closest personal friends, but there were 124 students total on this trip. With 7 chaperones and their spouses. How do you know that others, besides her bestest friends couldn't of brought harm to Natalee? Maybe someone she made angry? Someone that wasnt in her "clique"? Yet you don't want them questioned, or you never questioned them, why it was that NONE of them had your daughters back that night. To leave her alone in a bar, intoxicated, doing things that beyond "normal" for her, and not questioning or making her leave with any of them. I would be so angry at these so called friends! Why doesn't her bestest friends in the whole world, even talk about Natalee with any type of emotion. They speak about her, as something they "lost" in Aruba, like an I-pod, or a cell phone...are people that cold and unfeeling in the land of Mt Brook? Has it ever occured to you that Natalee might of caused some problems in Aruba, with other students?

In cases of missing persons, the public usually hears from their siblings, teachers, employers. Why is everyone afraid to come out and speak about Natalee? What is with Matts statement, when asked about how he is coping with his sisters disappearance, his reply was "I try not to think about it". HUH?

Why did you go into a classroom of kindergartners, that were kind enough to hold a prayer vigil for you and Natalee, and also offer to learn to make yarn bracelets for you to sell, ONLY for you to traumatize little girls, by telling them there is a "HORRIBLE young man on the island, that likes to harm little blonde girls like you"? Were you implying that Joran Van Der Sloot is/was a pedophile? What possible AGENDA did you have to traumatize innocent young girls? Were you hoping these young 5 year olds would go home, and tell their mommy and daddies of the big bad man? YOU, of all PEOPLE, who were a TEACHER! My god woman, have YOU no shame, no boundaries? Anyone would do, if it means hurting EVERY single citizen, even the most young and innocent, in Aruba? I would of kicked your ass out of the country for that. "Grieving mother" or not!!

What did Marcia Twitty mean, by her statement, if it all gets out, we are all going down, INCLUDING Natalee? What was "it". The drinking, the bed hopping? Drugs?

AmSouth bank, held a TRUST fund for Natalee. People were sending donations from all over the world, as far away as Jeruselum...its been reported. Yet, you told Tim Miller, the fund is broke. How can that be, when those donations that were being sent in, were to be used to for the "continue search for Natalee Holloway". Yet, nothing was paid out of those funds (tim miller states he wouldn't accept a penny from the family). Did you use those funds to start up the Save Yourself Foundation, that turned into Safe Travel Foundation, that is now being called International Safe Travels foundation? Do you feel perhaps that you took money that was to go to help finding Natalee, to help you fund a new career choice? And how do you explain it to the public that donated to the funds for the exact purpose of helping offset costs of searching for Natalee? And yet, 425 days later, there is NO viable searches being done by the family, for Natalee, whatsoever. Can you explain WHY? Tim Miller was on the Dana Pretzer radio show, just a couple of weeks ago, asking the PUBLIC to donate 5 dollars each. Why? Why should the public keep footing the bill to find YOUR daughter, when its apparent that neither biological parent, that have seperate "foundations, trust funds, profits from books, paid speaking engagements etc" aren't willing to foot the bill for ANY searches. Can you explain to the PUBLIC why THEY should feel the need to bankroll any more searches?

Why haven't you or Dave been back down on that island? Don't you want to help get answers to where your daughter is? If you feel that you would be in danger, take some of that "speaking engagement money/book profit money" and hire body guards for you both. OR take your new found friend Bo Dietl with you, or the Felon in PA, Joe Mannama. Oh wait, he can't enter Aruba..he's a felon. My bad. I am sure that Jossy Manur has enough thugs on Aruba he can let you borrow to keep you safe. OR is it true that you can't go back to Aruba, for fear of being arrested? Charges such as, leaving the country w/o settling/paying lawyer fees. Obstruction of justice, for bribing a witness in an ongoing police investigation? Or possible lawsuits, from the Van Der Sloots, Kalope family..etc?

So lets talk about those documents you state you have. You stated right on Geraldo's show, that you smuggled 5-7 SIGNED documents out of Aruba...........that states in fact, that Joran Van Der Sloot, along with Deepak and Satish Kalope, drugged and gang-raped your daughter. SIGNED by not only Joran Van Der Sloot, but by the 2 Kalope brothers as well, along with Police officer signatures. Why hasn't any news anchor, SEEN these documents that you supposedly had. I am sure Geraldo is still waiting. As is the public at large. Greta wanted to read them as well. .............yet at NO time has those "documents" been released so that the public can substantiate your allegations. Then a few months later, YOU changed the whole story regarding these documents, and stated that they were only translated to you at the lawyers office and you "took notes". See why some people who are following this case FOR Natalee, question your credibility?

The Dr. Phil/Jamie Skeeters fiasco. We (the people that have been following this case FOR Natalee), know now for a fact, that you received a copy of Jamie Skeeters unedited/unmanipulated tape. Yet you sat on the Dr Phil show, while an edited/manipulated tape was played. Sitting there shaking your head yes, knowing full well, this was a manipulation to try to frame young men for a rape that was never committed. Why do you need to state your daughter was drugged and gang-raped when there is NO evidence to prove it? Why as a mother would you wish the most horrible acts upon a woman, there could be, for your daughter? I would understand had there been ANY evidence such a crime against Natalee took place, but there isn't. So what I would like to know is this, where the HELL are you coming from? Or was this a way to garner sympathy from the public, which turned into donations?

Tell me, the Call for the BOYCOTT of Aruba, what answers has that exactly brought you? Are you any closer of finding out what happened to Natalee? Will the hotel workers, restaurant workers, the little people losing jobs, homes, not being able to feed their children, clothe their children, endear you more to the Aruban citizens? Those same Aruban citizens that could of brought you some closure? Do you think that anyone that might of had information, that maybe was to scared to come forward earlier, will now just say forget it? The government of Aruba will never fold on a Boycott. It's the very citizens of Aruba, that rolled out the red carpet for you, and your family/friends, that will be hurt. And now you state on National TV tonight, that those same wonderful people believe that Natalee is at fault? Are you outta your friggin mind?


Do you really think bringing a civil lawsuit against Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot, is going to help you attain answers? IF the suit is accepted in NYC, and Judge Kapnick will reside over it, do you realize that Joran and Paulus are not going to be the only persons deposed in this case? The burden of PROOF is going to be on your side. Joe Tapocina, in all his wisely lawyering, will depose everyone that was on that trip. That means the entire class of Mt Brook, the chaperones, their spouses, YOU, Jugs, DAVE, ROBIN, the entire family will be called to be deposed, everyone or anyone that EVER had contact with Natalee, will come under a microscope. And no, one can SAY (like they did with the FBI) I am not going to answer..any questions, then the JUDGE can ORDER them to comply or be held in contempt. You really want to put the whole town of Mt Brook under a microscope? And what IF those answers are not the ones you were seeking? In fact, what IF it is exactly what you have been trying to contain the last year, comes all out. YES all of it will come out............all the secret skeletons, the divorce of you and Dave, the divorce of Jug and Wendy, their children, everything.....................you may get those answers, but I am thinking they are not going to be to your liking! People are going to have to take the stand, and swear to tell the truth. Me think you opened up a can of worms..........................and yes, the world will be watching.........

Back in September 2005, your husband, made an announcement on the cable news stations, that the WORLD is GOING to be SHOCKED, soon. What did he mean by this? Was this about the Skeeter tape? Yea, we were shocked! The public was shocked that you and Dr Phil along with Jamie Skeeters would sink so low, as to manipulate evidence to frame 3 young men for rape. Also, your husband stated that 7 of the people that went with you to Aruba that night, and were among the ones standing outside the Van Der Sloot home, were going to go to a federal judge in Alabama, and have sworn affidavits made, that they heard Joran Van Der Sloot, state emphatically that he sexually assaulted Natalee. Now where are those sworn affidavits? Why were none of these affidavits put in the lawsuit against Joran and Paulus??

So you say, that the Aruban Police Department should of budgeted more, to find your daughter. They spent 40% of their police budget on Natalee. Do you really think that IF Natalee went missing in the USA, say, Mt Brook, that the police there would be still conducting an investigation? Do you think they would of spent 40% of their budget looking for her? Do you think the state of Alabama, would of called on the Federal Government for 3 f-16 fighter jets to fly over mt brook in search of Natalee? Do you think that after 15 months that Natalee would be a priority to the MB police dept? Or would they have already moved it into a cold case file, and state, since there is NO evidence that even a crime was committed, she is only listed as a missing young woman?


So far you have blamed Joran, Paulus, Deepak, Satish, the entire population of Aruba, Aruba's government, the ALE, everyone. Do you ever feel that you may hold some responsibility for sending, a shy, naive, virgin, that in your words, you didn't have long enough to teach basic common sense, to an all inclusive, drink, bed-hopping, un-supervised, teens gone wild week in an carribean Island destination? Do you feel that Natalee HERSELF holds any responsibility for getting up that morning, and choosing to drink all day long, and again that night, to where she was intoxicated enough to let strange boys lick belly shots off her, and dance vicariously on the bar, then top of allf that, further participated in risky behavior, by WILLINGLY leave a bar, with 3 island boys she had NO clue who they were?

My last questions to you Beth is this....what in the last 425 days of your daughter missing, that YOU have done, to bring any type of closure to the disappearance of your daughter? How about in the last few days? Weeks? What exactly ARE you doing to help the ALE or FBI solve this case? Why aren't you actively searching for Natalee? Why aren't you down on that island.........................an island that YOU stated for a fact you would NEVER leave w/o Natalee, if it took 40 yrs, and you had to purchase a home there. So what are you, or Dave done in say the last month to help bring closure to Natalee's disappearance? Why aren't you paying for any type of searches, or paying a private eye to get answers? I know you go on TV, complaining, whining, bitching that ALE is not doing enough, but WHAT, as the PARENTS of NATALEE , are YOU and DAVE DOING?? I don't think that Natalee is in anywhere of the 50 united states, that you're traveling to. Your not going to find the answers by spreading travel fear, to young people...that isn't any kind of monument to Natalee that you're collecting 2 grand fee's for 45 minute speeches having to do with "knowing when an bar establishment closes", "having a CELL phone that works properly or is set up for international calling", or when out underage drinking, make sure you have a buddy system in place, and enforce it". What has THIS got to do with bringing Natalee back home to the USA?

Oh and another thing, don't bother coming to Michigan. Most parents here are wise enough, not to send their barely 18 yr olds, on an all you can drink, teens gone wild, extravaganza, WITH no APPARENT adult supervision, trip to a carribean island, for a high school graduation trip! NOT one SCHOOL would endorse such nonsense. Even though it's been said that the school didn't sponsor this trip, the chaperones were all hand picked by the students on which teachers they wanted to go. I guess they picked the ones that they knew, they could get away with a bunch of carousing, drinking etc, because there are many pictures of the chaperones that were drinking right along with the students.(even the 17 yr old ones).among other things. And if you do come to Michigan, be aware that I'll be one sitting in the audience, waiting to ask you these very same questions, I have posed in this thread!

En speciaal voor johan linkie (live and learn jochie)

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When upon hearing that Natalee missed her flight, your imediate reaction was "kidnapped". Why wouldn't you think she had an accident?

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:04 schreef johan555 het volgende:

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Ha ha moet jij die vastellen die zijn me toegemaild jocchie

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:11 schreef johan555 het volgende:
gaat jou niks aan

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:04 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Ha ha moet jij die vastellen die zijn me toegemaild jocchie
Nog even wat buster toen ik je laatst om een linkje vroeg zei je :
"Ga maar even naar RU en dan dit en dat intoetsen bij zoeken "
Dus niet meer zeuren he !!!!

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:10 schreef yyentle het volgende:
Door wie?

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:27 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Dat soort smerige insinuerende opmerkingen zou ik maar niet maken over andere forum leden hier buster
er gaat direct een mailtje naar de mods

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:36 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ik heb er een screenshot van genomen Mr B

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:36 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ik heb er een screenshot van genomen Mr B

je zei tegen mij NSB er

je moet niet denken dat je hier mensen op deze manier personelijk kan aanvallen

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:31 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:
NSB'er

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:14 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:
De foto's komen van zijn vriend Observer, die de foto's weer heeft van Kathy Drenga of een van haar vriendinnen.

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:39 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Obesever is hier lid en jij verspreid roddeltjes over hem die je niet kan waarmaken

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:41 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:
Het is geen persoonlijke aanval, ik geef weer hoe ik over je denk en dat zal ook niet snel veranderen.

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 19:52 schreef JoBuster het volgende:

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"Obeserver" ofwel Obese-server is die vetklep die van SM is afgetrapt wegens hele enge zaakjes, dat heeft niets met dit schone forum te maken

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 20:15 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Nou lees maar even terug Harajuku ik wordt hier voor nsb er uitgemaakt

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 20:14 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
Kunnen jullie weer even verdergaan over Natalee? Persoonlijke vetes vecht je maar uit via pm/mail/msn

Ik ken jullie allemaal niet, maar ik hoef hier geen beschuldigingen van pedofilie te lezen.

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 20:27 schreef bolsena het volgende:
Hoe staat het met het rechtshulpverzoek richting Amerika mrB (of iemand anders), zijn er nog andere nieuwe feiten boven water gekomen en doet JoBuster nog een soort Keek op de Week zoals een tijdje terug?

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 20:41 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:
Nog geen nieuws over het rechtshulpverzoek Bolsena. Op zich niet vreemd, als er niet echt sprake is van een 'dringende noodzaak', dan malen ambtelijke molens niet echt snel. Kan nog wel even duren dus.

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 20:49 schreef JoBuster het volgende:
Heee bolsena long time no see, niet veel nieuws hier en inderdaad veel ouwe meuk.

Daarom voorals nog geen Keek op de Arubaanse Week maar die komt wel weer.

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 20:15 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Nou lees maar even terug Harajuku ik wordt hier voor nsb er uitgemaakt

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 17:50 schreef JoBuster het volgende:
Dit leek me ook een HELE interessante voor de "nieuwkomers".
Veel vragen waarvan er nog vele onbeantwoord zijn, ik denk dat ik ze in de loop van de week 1 voor 1 zal behandelen en daarna misschien alle columns van Steve Yuhas die hierover gaan.


OPEN LETTER TO BETH TWITTY.

July 30th, 2006

DEAR BETH...

IT'S BEEN 425 DAYS SINCE YOUR DAUGHTER DISAPPEARED FROM ARUBA.

For about 6 months straight, you were a staple on all the cable news stations. You have been able to state, without proof/evidence that your daughter was a victim of being drugged, kidnapped, gang-raped and murdered. You have shown no proof of these allegations, whatsoever. You painted a picture of your daughter, that has come to light, is not true. She didn't graduate with honors at Mt Brook High School, she was not accepted into a college on a full-ride medical scholarship, nor did she have the character, that your had to establish to the public at large. My question is why did you have to LIE about your own daughter? Proof is in pictures posted on the internet, and proof is the listing in the Birmingham paper, that your daughter was not an honor grad. She never received a full-ride medical scholarship to ANY college. Why does it seem that you needed to create this whole other Natalee, that wasn't??

There are rumors abound that Natalee participated in attention seeking behavior, in the past. Your own step son, George Twitty III, even stated in the Birminham press last june, that his first reaction of hearing that his step-sister didn't make her flight home, was "What has she done now". So did Natalee run away before? What did GT III mean by this statement? Is this why, the FAB 7 was all set to go? Was this just another in a long line, of group FAB 7 on another venture to get Natalee back? Have you and the Fab 7, done this in the past, that you thought all of you, could swoop down in Aruba, get Natalee and get home to the USA before her biological father found out she had gone "missing"?

Why wasn't Dave Holloway contacted by you personally? Why was it he had to hear about his own daughters disappearance, late into the evening hours, after you were securely on your way to Aruba, by Matt? Why didn't you contact the man at all, when you landed or return his many frantic calls to you? Why did you leave him out of the loop? What were you in fear of him finding out? That Natalee has done this in the past? Who was the woman that changed Natalee flight for the next day?

What kind of relationship did Natalee have with her father? Why didn't she see her father for a year, before her disappearance? Why did her father feel uncomfortable entering your home, a home that she had lived in for the last 5 yrs of her life? What was it that had Natalee crying so hard, that her dad got in a vehicle and drove to Mt Brook, only to find out everything was "fine" when he got there? Why didn't Dave ever come to that house in the past? What was the divorce like between you and Dave? Did Natalee and Matt suffer because the divorce was not amlicable? Did you use those children as pawns because you both couldn't work out your own divorce issues? Why after the disappearance of your daughter that you both couldn't seem to put whatever differences aside and work together to help find your daughter?

What did your husband Jugs mean that he had to coach Natalee everday for 5 yrs after you and your children moved into his house? Did he coach Matthew the same way? How did Natalee react to this "coaching"? How did Natalee feel about Jug Twitty, her step-father? her step brother? What kind of feelings did Natalee have about moving from Mississippi to Alabama? Not only away from her biological father, but her only home she ever knew, school, her friends?? What kind of perfection was expected out of these children, by Jug Twitty? Why did Jug wait until AFTER you both were married to introduce you all to his children?

Was Jug ever physically abusive to those children? To you? Why is it that you left MB, and havent really been back? Were you an abused wife? Are you trying to protect the fact that Jug not only was physically abusive to you, and the children, but emotionally...as well? If thats the case, don't you think it would better serve a purpose you speaking out for all victims of abuse? I would think that would be more advantageous then spreading travel information. Has Natalee ever been in counseling? Have you ever been in family counseling with the children? How come Matt stayed at friends home, while you're traveling the U.S., instead of with his step father?

When upon hearing that Natalee missed her flight, your imediate reaction was "kidnapped". Why wouldn't you think she had an accident? Better yet, why didnt you just think that Natalee was out having a good time, lost all track of time, and just missed her flight? If you thought she had been kidnapped, WHY didn't you immediately contact the Aruban Authorities? You should know in a kidnapping situation the first 24-48 hours is crucial. YET YOU DIDN'T! That boggles my mind. Instead you contacted the FAB 7, got a private plane secured, posters made up and TOOK off to Aruba. Why wasn't there any hospitals called to see maybe if there was a JANE DOE taken to the hospital? Or if you felt your daughter was kidnapped, you made posters up ...........asking her to call you?

Upon arriving in Aruba, did you first go to the police? No. That boggles my mind. You first went to the hotel, to watch security video's. Then you weren't concerned about seeing YOUR daughter on them, you wanted to see the the boy, that you already had the name of that your daughter left with. You weren't concerned with finding Natalee, in as much as you were concerned with WANTING to get to the boy, YOU thought she was with. Then upon seeing/hearing that Natalee was not with him, immediately you made the deduction, and have had it in your mind since, that this young man was the person that YOU were going to see pay for her disappearance, and you haven't wavered from that since day 1.


What was behind the meaning of your statement, that when you seen all the Us Media decend upon Aruba, "that you new then, that you were in trouble"? What kind of trouble? Were you afraid, that the media might dig up some news that Natalee, had perhaps been a runaway before? That the "darling" you sold to the public, was not what she was about after all? Well it came out, through various internet sources...that Natalee was not the shy, never drank in Alabama, not a party girl, naive, etc, that you portrayed to the public. In fact, Natalee enjoyed drinking, partying, smoking, etc. That fact came out with the FBI statements given by those same "responsible" friends that Natalee hung out with. Amongst others back in Mt Brook, that were tired of the spin.

You stated a medi-jet was sitting on the carmac for two days. Why? I have never heard of a medi-jet on stand by for 2 days, for something that MIGHT happen. I would love for you to produce a receipt for this "medi-jet". It seems that this medi-jet while standing by in Aruba, another person who was harmed and needed it, might not be transported. Did Natalee have a drug problem in the past, that you might think that it uprooted itself again while in Aruba? How does one ask for a medi-jet to be flown in, and sit on a tarmac for two whole days? What kind of connections do you people have?

What was on that voice mail call to William at 4 am in the morning? Why did that phone call upset William so much, that had him crying on the phone to Charles Croes for 45 minutes? Why did you have a perfect stranger listen to a call that supposedly came from Natalee to William? Why didn't you share this with the police?

Why, when asked what type of luggage your daughter took with her to Aruba, you stated it was irrelevant? EVERYTHING is relevant in a missng persons case. Why does the DUTCH TV RE-ENACTMENT show Natalee arriving in Aruba, with a blue suitcase? Yet everytime her room is shown, or the hotel room is shown, there is only a small purple knapsack shown as her luggage? Did Natalee have a checking account? ATM card? Has her bank account been checked out, for withdrawals of large amounts for the days leading up to her disappearance? Are any of her clothes missing that you know of? Was her computer taken and checked out?

Did Natalee either text you messages or send emails to you during her stay in Aruba, or before she left? Did Natalee contact her brother while being in Aruba? Jugs? YOU say YOU never talked to Natalee,.but what about emails, text messages? How about leaving voice mails on the phone at home? Did she leave you a voice mail message on your cell phone? You say that Natalee's phone wasn't set up for international calling, but did Natalee have phone cards? Why wasn't her phone set up for international calling, when you knew this from Jug's sons trip from two years previous?And why is Joe Tapocina stating it as fact, that he has phone records that prove that what you were stating that there was no contact with Natalee, by you, or vice versa, not true??

There seems to be a discrepency in when you found out about Natalee's disappearance. FEB states she called your right away, at about 8 am that morning. Paul Lilly states he called you around 10:30. Jody Bearman states she called you at noon. You state you were driving down the road when you got the first phone call at noon. And you were still in Arkansas. That a Arkansas State Trooper pulled you over for going over 100 mph, and that you stated that your daughter had been kidnapped in Aruba and you needed help contacting the FBI. How did you make it back so quickly, from Arkansas to Mt Brook, make travel arrangements,secure a private plane, get a group of friends/family together, pack, and make posters and be down in Aruba by 11 pm that night? It's the timeline I have problems with. Can you clarify? Or was this already planned earlier. Did you get a phone call from someone earlier in the day, that Natalee had NO plans of coming back to Alabama? Maybe from Frances Ellen Byrd??

It still boggles my mind, and maybe you can help me understand, is WHY didn't YOU or JUG go immediately to the police station and file a report of a "kidnapping", or "missing persons" report? Why is it that there were several posters made, all with different phone numbers to contact?Why did you include a picture of YOU and Natalee on the poster? Wouldnt that confuse people? Maybe they were looking for you? Why is it you NEVER went on TV begging, pleading with the so called kidnappers to contact you? Why is it that it was only pleading for Natalee to contact you? Whatever it is, we can work it out? What is "it", that you were referring to? Did you know that Natalee was having some problems?


Why was sitting down and answering any and all questions posed to you by the ALE, not acceptable to you? Why did you keep turning the other cheek when your husband was acting like a abusive asshole on that island, to people who were only trying to help? What are you worried about that Julia Renfro might know? Why was it you had to resort to calling her a bitch? What did she do to you, that made you do an about face with her? Or was she seeing through the "scam", getting a bit to close to some truths, so you immediately had to put that fire out...and start discrediting her. Why was it, do you suppose that Karin Janssen stated that she would not communicate with either of you directly, that any and all communication would have to go through legal channels, such as an attorney. Could it be that Jug and you BOTH were verbally abusive to her, when it seemed like you weren't getting your way. Just who do you think YOU are, to go to another country, a soveriegn country, and try to change their laws, their way of doing things, just for you? Demands, threats, were not, and did not get you any closer to what happened to your daughter. Writing letters, demanding a "regimine" change did not endear you to those who were working day and night to find Natalee.

The arrest/release of 2 security guards, Mickey Johns and Abram Jones, you were almost gleeful these two were released. How do you know that they had nothing to do with your daughters disappearance? Apparently Natalee was seen on video speaking to Mickey Johns, THAT night. Is it true that there were items of the MB children, found in his home? That these said items were in fact traded for drugs? Apparently these two had a history, of trying to pick up young women tourists at the hotels. But yet again, IF anyone other that J2k, you dismiss as viable suspects, in your mind.


Why did you align yourself with so many unsavory characters? First Jossy Mansur, then Joe Mannama, Jamie Skeeters, etc. Its YOUR credibility that comes into question...........when the public sees you standing by these types, and calling them your "hero's". Joe M, stood there next to you, spilling out that ONE American's life is worth MORE than 100,000 Arubans. Are you that self-aborbed, or so full of yourself that YOU think that YOUR daughter is the only one that matters in this entire world? Open your eyes, since Natalee has been "missing" there have been at LEAST 10 cases of missing persons, that we the public know about (through the media) that have gone unsolved, RIGHT here on OUR borders. How many missing persons are in Alabama, that those families do not have closure, who showed up at the Govenors Mansion...and speaking of that, didn't you or JUGS feel a little bit guilty that "love bowls" were only put out for you two, when there were other family members with missing loved ones, that don't have closure, and all they got was a "candle"? Why aren't you calling for a BOYCOTT of your own STATE, for those people?

Why are the MB "children" and chaperones given a free pass by you? How can you say, with 100% certainty that none of them could of brought harm to Natalee? I am sure you know her closest personal friends, but there were 124 students total on this trip. With 7 chaperones and their spouses. How do you know that others, besides her bestest friends couldn't of brought harm to Natalee? Maybe someone she made angry? Someone that wasnt in her "clique"? Yet you don't want them questioned, or you never questioned them, why it was that NONE of them had your daughters back that night. To leave her alone in a bar, intoxicated, doing things that beyond "normal" for her, and not questioning or making her leave with any of them. I would be so angry at these so called friends! Why doesn't her bestest friends in the whole world, even talk about Natalee with any type of emotion. They speak about her, as something they "lost" in Aruba, like an I-pod, or a cell phone...are people that cold and unfeeling in the land of Mt Brook? Has it ever occured to you that Natalee might of caused some problems in Aruba, with other students?

In cases of missing persons, the public usually hears from their siblings, teachers, employers. Why is everyone afraid to come out and speak about Natalee? What is with Matts statement, when asked about how he is coping with his sisters disappearance, his reply was "I try not to think about it". HUH?

Why did you go into a classroom of kindergartners, that were kind enough to hold a prayer vigil for you and Natalee, and also offer to learn to make yarn bracelets for you to sell, ONLY for you to traumatize little girls, by telling them there is a "HORRIBLE young man on the island, that likes to harm little blonde girls like you"? Were you implying that Joran Van Der Sloot is/was a pedophile? What possible AGENDA did you have to traumatize innocent young girls? Were you hoping these young 5 year olds would go home, and tell their mommy and daddies of the big bad man? YOU, of all PEOPLE, who were a TEACHER! My god woman, have YOU no shame, no boundaries? Anyone would do, if it means hurting EVERY single citizen, even the most young and innocent, in Aruba? I would of kicked your ass out of the country for that. "Grieving mother" or not!!

What did Marcia Twitty mean, by her statement, if it all gets out, we are all going down, INCLUDING Natalee? What was "it". The drinking, the bed hopping? Drugs?

AmSouth bank, held a TRUST fund for Natalee. People were sending donations from all over the world, as far away as Jeruselum...its been reported. Yet, you told Tim Miller, the fund is broke. How can that be, when those donations that were being sent in, were to be used to for the "continue search for Natalee Holloway". Yet, nothing was paid out of those funds (tim miller states he wouldn't accept a penny from the family). Did you use those funds to start up the Save Yourself Foundation, that turned into Safe Travel Foundation, that is now being called International Safe Travels foundation? Do you feel perhaps that you took money that was to go to help finding Natalee, to help you fund a new career choice? And how do you explain it to the public that donated to the funds for the exact purpose of helping offset costs of searching for Natalee? And yet, 425 days later, there is NO viable searches being done by the family, for Natalee, whatsoever. Can you explain WHY? Tim Miller was on the Dana Pretzer radio show, just a couple of weeks ago, asking the PUBLIC to donate 5 dollars each. Why? Why should the public keep footing the bill to find YOUR daughter, when its apparent that neither biological parent, that have seperate "foundations, trust funds, profits from books, paid speaking engagements etc" aren't willing to foot the bill for ANY searches. Can you explain to the PUBLIC why THEY should feel the need to bankroll any more searches?

Why haven't you or Dave been back down on that island? Don't you want to help get answers to where your daughter is? If you feel that you would be in danger, take some of that "speaking engagement money/book profit money" and hire body guards for you both. OR take your new found friend Bo Dietl with you, or the Felon in PA, Joe Mannama. Oh wait, he can't enter Aruba..he's a felon. My bad. I am sure that Jossy Manur has enough thugs on Aruba he can let you borrow to keep you safe. OR is it true that you can't go back to Aruba, for fear of being arrested? Charges such as, leaving the country w/o settling/paying lawyer fees. Obstruction of justice, for bribing a witness in an ongoing police investigation? Or possible lawsuits, from the Van Der Sloots, Kalope family..etc?

So lets talk about those documents you state you have. You stated right on Geraldo's show, that you smuggled 5-7 SIGNED documents out of Aruba...........that states in fact, that Joran Van Der Sloot, along with Deepak and Satish Kalope, drugged and gang-raped your daughter. SIGNED by not only Joran Van Der Sloot, but by the 2 Kalope brothers as well, along with Police officer signatures. Why hasn't any news anchor, SEEN these documents that you supposedly had. I am sure Geraldo is still waiting. As is the public at large. Greta wanted to read them as well. .............yet at NO time has those "documents" been released so that the public can substantiate your allegations. Then a few months later, YOU changed the whole story regarding these documents, and stated that they were only translated to you at the lawyers office and you "took notes". See why some people who are following this case FOR Natalee, question your credibility?

The Dr. Phil/Jamie Skeeters fiasco. We (the people that have been following this case FOR Natalee), know now for a fact, that you received a copy of Jamie Skeeters unedited/unmanipulated tape. Yet you sat on the Dr Phil show, while an edited/manipulated tape was played. Sitting there shaking your head yes, knowing full well, this was a manipulation to try to frame young men for a rape that was never committed. Why do you need to state your daughter was drugged and gang-raped when there is NO evidence to prove it? Why as a mother would you wish the most horrible acts upon a woman, there could be, for your daughter? I would understand had there been ANY evidence such a crime against Natalee took place, but there isn't. So what I would like to know is this, where the HELL are you coming from? Or was this a way to garner sympathy from the public, which turned into donations?

Tell me, the Call for the BOYCOTT of Aruba, what answers has that exactly brought you? Are you any closer of finding out what happened to Natalee? Will the hotel workers, restaurant workers, the little people losing jobs, homes, not being able to feed their children, clothe their children, endear you more to the Aruban citizens? Those same Aruban citizens that could of brought you some closure? Do you think that anyone that might of had information, that maybe was to scared to come forward earlier, will now just say forget it? The government of Aruba will never fold on a Boycott. It's the very citizens of Aruba, that rolled out the red carpet for you, and your family/friends, that will be hurt. And now you state on National TV tonight, that those same wonderful people believe that Natalee is at fault? Are you outta your friggin mind?


Do you really think bringing a civil lawsuit against Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot, is going to help you attain answers? IF the suit is accepted in NYC, and Judge Kapnick will reside over it, do you realize that Joran and Paulus are not going to be the only persons deposed in this case? The burden of PROOF is going to be on your side. Joe Tapocina, in all his wisely lawyering, will depose everyone that was on that trip. That means the entire class of Mt Brook, the chaperones, their spouses, YOU, Jugs, DAVE, ROBIN, the entire family will be called to be deposed, everyone or anyone that EVER had contact with Natalee, will come under a microscope. And no, one can SAY (like they did with the FBI) I am not going to answer..any questions, then the JUDGE can ORDER them to comply or be held in contempt. You really want to put the whole town of Mt Brook under a microscope? And what IF those answers are not the ones you were seeking? In fact, what IF it is exactly what you have been trying to contain the last year, comes all out. YES all of it will come out............all the secret skeletons, the divorce of you and Dave, the divorce of Jug and Wendy, their children, everything.....................you may get those answers, but I am thinking they are not going to be to your liking! People are going to have to take the stand, and swear to tell the truth. Me think you opened up a can of worms..........................and yes, the world will be watching.........

Back in September 2005, your husband, made an announcement on the cable news stations, that the WORLD is GOING to be SHOCKED, soon. What did he mean by this? Was this about the Skeeter tape? Yea, we were shocked! The public was shocked that you and Dr Phil along with Jamie Skeeters would sink so low, as to manipulate evidence to frame 3 young men for rape. Also, your husband stated that 7 of the people that went with you to Aruba that night, and were among the ones standing outside the Van Der Sloot home, were going to go to a federal judge in Alabama, and have sworn affidavits made, that they heard Joran Van Der Sloot, state emphatically that he sexually assaulted Natalee. Now where are those sworn affidavits? Why were none of these affidavits put in the lawsuit against Joran and Paulus??

So you say, that the Aruban Police Department should of budgeted more, to find your daughter. They spent 40% of their police budget on Natalee. Do you really think that IF Natalee went missing in the USA, say, Mt Brook, that the police there would be still conducting an investigation? Do you think they would of spent 40% of their budget looking for her? Do you think the state of Alabama, would of called on the Federal Government for 3 f-16 fighter jets to fly over mt brook in search of Natalee? Do you think that after 15 months that Natalee would be a priority to the MB police dept? Or would they have already moved it into a cold case file, and state, since there is NO evidence that even a crime was committed, she is only listed as a missing young woman?


So far you have blamed Joran, Paulus, Deepak, Satish, the entire population of Aruba, Aruba's government, the ALE, everyone. Do you ever feel that you may hold some responsibility for sending, a shy, naive, virgin, that in your words, you didn't have long enough to teach basic common sense, to an all inclusive, drink, bed-hopping, un-supervised, teens gone wild week in an carribean Island destination? Do you feel that Natalee HERSELF holds any responsibility for getting up that morning, and choosing to drink all day long, and again that night, to where she was intoxicated enough to let strange boys lick belly shots off her, and dance vicariously on the bar, then top of allf that, further participated in risky behavior, by WILLINGLY leave a bar, with 3 island boys she had NO clue who they were?

My last questions to you Beth is this....what in the last 425 days of your daughter missing, that YOU have done, to bring any type of closure to the disappearance of your daughter? How about in the last few days? Weeks? What exactly ARE you doing to help the ALE or FBI solve this case? Why aren't you actively searching for Natalee? Why aren't you down on that island.........................an island that YOU stated for a fact you would NEVER leave w/o Natalee, if it took 40 yrs, and you had to purchase a home there. So what are you, or Dave done in say the last month to help bring closure to Natalee's disappearance? Why aren't you paying for any type of searches, or paying a private eye to get answers? I know you go on TV, complaining, whining, bitching that ALE is not doing enough, but WHAT, as the PARENTS of NATALEE , are YOU and DAVE DOING?? I don't think that Natalee is in anywhere of the 50 united states, that you're traveling to. Your not going to find the answers by spreading travel fear, to young people...that isn't any kind of monument to Natalee that you're collecting 2 grand fee's for 45 minute speeches having to do with "knowing when an bar establishment closes", "having a CELL phone that works properly or is set up for international calling", or when out underage drinking, make sure you have a buddy system in place, and enforce it". What has THIS got to do with bringing Natalee back home to the USA?

Oh and another thing, don't bother coming to Michigan. Most parents here are wise enough, not to send their barely 18 yr olds, on an all you can drink, teens gone wild, extravaganza, WITH no APPARENT adult supervision, trip to a carribean island, for a high school graduation trip! NOT one SCHOOL would endorse such nonsense. Even though it's been said that the school didn't sponsor this trip, the chaperones were all hand picked by the students on which teachers they wanted to go. I guess they picked the ones that they knew, they could get away with a bunch of carousing, drinking etc, because there are many pictures of the chaperones that were drinking right along with the students.(even the 17 yr old ones).among other things. And if you do come to Michigan, be aware that I'll be one sitting in the audience, waiting to ask you these very same questions, I have posed in this thread!

En speciaal voor johan linkie (live and learn jochie)

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 21:31 schreef johan555 het volgende:
sorry yyentle ik ga niet meer in op je zuigende en uitlokkende vragen !
Ik reageer niet meer op het NWO en ru clubje
dus svp geen vragen meer stellen jij

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Twitty kiest haar woorden met zorg. “Het is niet zo dat ik uit een ander land kom, hier bij mensen in huis val en zomaar zeg: ‘Ze liegen.’ Zo is het niet gegaan en ik hoop ook niet dat die indruk bestaat. De maandag van Natalees verdwijning zijn we om elf uur ‘s avonds op Aruba aangekomen. We hebben hier in het Holiday Inn direct de videotape van de entree van het hotel gezien. Natalee stond daar niet op. Ook hebben we de video van het casino gezien. De neef van Natalee was er namelijk bij toen Joran en zij die zondag daar met elkaar aan de praat raakten en ik wilde gewoon weten hoe hij eruit zag. Daarna zijn we naar het huis van Van der Sloot gereden.

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 22:18 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/

Is het normaal dat een moeder wiens dochter 's morgens niet in het hotel is, onmiddellijk roept dat haar dochter is gekidnapped in plaats van eerst eens te informeren bij politie en ziekenhuis?

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 22:18 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/

Is het normaal dat een moeder wiens dochter 's morgens niet in het hotel is, onmiddellijk roept dat haar dochter is gekidnapped in plaats van eerst eens te informeren bij politie en ziekenhuis?

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Uiteindelijk vliegen we richting een stuk land dat Aruba zou kunnen zijn. Het ziet er piepklein uit. Dit lukt wel, gaat er door me heen. Die Joran vinden we wel en Natalee ook. Maar eerst moeten we de juiste instanties te pakken zien te krijgen. Dat zal toch niet zo moeilijk zijn?

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Op zaterdag 14 februari 2009 14:27 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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Wat is schandalig?

Dat ik vertel dat er in de eerste uitzending van Peter R. de Vries wordt gemeld dat er getuigen zijn die vertellen dat Natalee coke snoof?
Dat de vrienden van Natalee vertellen dat Natalee niet meer op haar benen kon staan van alles was ze tot zich had genomen en daarom naar huis moest worden begeleid?
Dat Natalee's vrienden vertellen dat ze de volgende ochtend meteen weer met sterke drank begon?
Dat Joran, Deepak en Satish maar ook de vriendinnen van Natalee vertellen dat Natalee op de bar ging liggen en zich door verschillende mannen liet aflikken?

Als je 's morgens begint met een snuif coke, kun je meteen weer flink gaan zuipen hoor!
Of Natalee's lichaam daartegen bestand was, is een ander verhaal.

Het is toch helemaal niet onwaarschijnlijk (zelfs heel erg waarschijnlijk) dat Natalee, precies zoals de jongens vertellen, maar al te graag met ze meewilde?

Het is toch heel goed mogelijk dat ze, kort na door de jongens te zijn afgezet, is bezweken aan al de middelen die ze tot zich nam en dat Joran toen in paniek is geraakt?

Wat is daar nou zo vreemd aan eigenlijk?

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Op zaterdag 14 februari 2009 16:29 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:

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Dat is niet juist. Er is verder geen onderzoek ingesteld naar de achtergrond van Natalee, en er is ook geen diepgaand onderzoek uitgevoerd in de familie- en vriendenkring, terwijl dit bij een verdwijningszaak onderdeel uit maakt van het 'standaard' onderzoek. Het feit dat een aantal vriendinnen van Natalee bij terugkomst in Moutain Brook door de FBI zijn gehoord als getuige, kan ik niet kwalificeren als 'diepgaand'.

Daarbij komt dat een aantal van die vriendinnen alleen maar een verklaring wilde afleggen in het bijzijn van hun advocaat, je zou dan bijna zeggen dat er iets meer aan de hand is en dat de advocaat eventueel kan ingrijpen tijdens een dergelijk verhoor.

Om nog maar niet te spreken van het gedrag en de uitspraken van Maria Twitty op het moment dat de vriendinnen weer in Moutian Brook waren aangekomen.

De uitspraak "if it all gets out, we are all going down, INCLUDING Natalee?" spreekt boekdelen m.i.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 00:41 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:
Het klopt dat we inderdaad niet exact weten wat er wel en niet is onderzocht. In elk geval is het OM op Aruba van mening dat er nog extra onderzoek nodig is in de VS, anders hadden ze geen rechtshulpverzoek ingediend lijkt mij.

Het is niet gebruikelijk dat getuigen zich laten vergezellen van een advocaat (behoudens in ingewikkelde, vaak financiële zaken of zaken waar zij zich als getuige mogelijk zelf kunnen belasten).

Joran en de Kalpoes waren verdachte en dan krijgen zij óf een advocaat toegewezen of zij kiezen er zelf een.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 00:25 schreef duikkie het volgende:

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we weten helemaal niet wat in usa onderzocht is. dat usa en aruba elkaar niet vertrouwen en geen onderzoeken delen wil nog niet zeggen dat ze niet gedaan zijn.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 01:35 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Het verbond van Paulus met Joran.

Joran weet veel van zijn vader, van zijn gok avonturen en van zijn perverse escapades.
Stuivertje wisselen was de norm.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 01:35 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Joran had geen respect, zelfs minachting voor zijn moeder.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 01:21 schreef duikkie het volgende:

de politie van aruba heeft het gewoon verknalt bij de FBI , en later gaan ze dan vragen terwijl ze eerst gaan schelden niet er handig wel. de hele samenwerking is er gewoon niet en zal er ook wel nooit meer komen.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 01:35 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Het verbond van Paulus met Joran.

Joran weet veel van zijn vader, van zijn gok avonturen en van zijn perverse escapades.
Stuivertje wisselen was de norm.

Joran groeide op met het beeld van een moeder die zoet gehouden werd door de mooie praatjes van vader.
Het was een beetje Anita`s kinderhand die snel gevuld was terwijl vader met zijn vriendjes van justitie intussen de grootste uitspattingen hadden.

Joran had geen respect, zelfs minachting voor zijn moeder.
Dit verklaart deels zijn kijk op en omgang met vrouwen.
Ze hebben flink gezaaid in dat gezin, de oogst zal hun leven verwoesten.

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Beth`s gedachten tijdens de vlucht naar Aruba in haar boek:

Die Joran vinden we wel en Natalee ook.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 01:35 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Het verbond van Paulus met Joran.

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Joran weet veel van zijn vader, van zijn gok avonturen en van zijn perverse escapades.
Stuivertje wisselen was de norm.

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Joran groeide op met het beeld van een moeder die zoet gehouden werd door de mooie praatjes van vader.
Het was een beetje Anita`s kinderhand die snel gevuld was terwijl vader met zijn vriendjes van justitie intussen de grootste uitspattingen hadden.

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Joran had geen respect, zelfs minachting voor zijn moeder.
Dit verklaart deels zijn kijk op en omgang met vrouwen.

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Ze hebben flink gezaaid in dat gezin, de oogst zal hun leven verwoesten.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 00:11 schreef duikkie het volgende:

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het vreemde eraan is het constant liegen hierover , als joran in paniek is geraakt waarom bekend hij dat dan niet, nee hij was er zo trots op dat hij natalee niet eens naar het ziekenhuis bracht of 112 belde.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 14:29 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Oh viert de familie flodder carnaval ?

Aruba Carnaval Parade '54 2008

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 17:02 schreef JoBuster het volgende:
LOL johan, wat ben jij voorspelbaar

link

J N555

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 11:03 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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Joran heeft toch verteld dat Natalee ineens "niets meer deed"?

Het kan best dat Natalee niet meer leefde en dat daarom 112 niet is gebeld.

Een niet goed te praten, maar voor de hand liggende verklaring voor de reden dat 112 niet is gebeld.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 11:03 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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Joran heeft toch verteld dat Natalee ineens "niets meer deed"?

Het kan best dat Natalee niet meer leefde en dat daarom 112 niet is gebeld.

Een niet goed te praten, maar voor de hand liggende verklaring voor de reden dat 112 niet is gebeld.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 19:18 schreef duikkie het volgende:

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alleen een arts mag iemand dood verklaren, anders is het een onnatuurlijk dood , dus altijd 112 bellen, een uitzondering als het hoofd tenminste 10 cm van de romp afligt mag een EHBOer dat ook verklaren
kortom had paul van der sloot een EHBO diploma ??

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 17:42 schreef OUWEFIETS het volgende:
ja lachen.. hier kan J N555 die troep ook al niet meer slijten > topic Aruba

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Op zondag 15 februari 2009 23:25 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Haar dochter was voor het laatst gezien toen zij in gezelschap van 3 vreemde jongens vertrok in een auto.
Onzin dus om dan te denken aan een ongeluk.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 20:14 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Trap na voor wanhopige moeder

Terwijl ik deze column tik, zie ik vanuit mijn hotelkamer in de verte het cellencomplex waar Joran van der Sloot sinds gisternacht zit opgesloten. Een politiecel op Aruba heeft weinig comfort. Ik kon dat enkele jaren geleden met eigen ogen constateren toen ik vanwege een reportage voor deze krant een nachtje meedraaide met een speciale eenheid van de Arubaanse politie en de Spartaanse kerkers bezocht. Dit schrijft John van den Heuvel vandaag in De Telegraaf.


Wat zou er nou door het hoofd van die jongen omgaan, vraag ik me af. Vermoordde hij werkelijk Natalee Holloway en berekent hij nu zijn kansen om een jarenlange gevangenisstraf te ontlopen? Of ligt Joran vol wanhoop op zijn stenen bed omdat hij niets met de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse blondine van doen heeft?

Tweeënhalf jaar geleden interviewde ik op Aruba de moeder van Natalee. Het was kort na de verdwijning van haar dochter en tijdens het gesprek flikkerde voortdurend paniek op in de ogen van moeder Beth. Ze kon zich op dat moment nog niet voorstellen dat ze haar dochter waarschijnlijk nooit meer zou terugzien. Onvoorstelbaar wat deze vrouw de laatste twee jaar moest meemaken.

Je dochter verliezen en dan ook nog eens zo met modder worden besmeurd, zoals vorige week door een Nederlandse ’onderzoeksjournalist’. Deze op Curaçao woonachtige Renee Gielen zegt in een documentaire dat ze vanaf dag één achterdochtig is over de verdwijning. Ze zag ook iets heel anders bij Natalees moeder. „Toen ik haar in haar ogen keek, wist ik dat er iets niet klopte. Ik wist wel dat ik géén verdrietige moeder tegenover me had. Nu weet ik wat ik toen zag: een moeder in grote problemen.”

Volgens Gielen zou Natalee zelfs in een afkickkliniek zijn beland vlak voordat ze naar Aruba kwam. Renee Gielen ontleent het ’bewijs’ van Natalees veronderstelde verslaving aan een interview dat de producente op band heeft staan, met een Arubaanse taxichauffeuse.

Nou ken ik Renee Gielen een beetje en weet toevallig dat zij kind aan huis is bij een aantal Antilliaanse en Arubaanse ministers, die natuurlijk dolblij zijn met haar ’onafhankelijke’ reportage. Gielen gaat daarom waarschijnlijk helemaal voorbij aan de blunders in het politieonderzoek en de vele tegenstrijdige verklaringen en leugens van Joran van der Sloot.

Ze suggereert zelfs onverbloemd en volkomen onbewezen dat de familie Holloway zelf wel eens de hand kan hebben gehad in de verdwijning van Natalee. „Bij mij hebben de leugens in het boek van Beth Holloway en heel veel andere twijfelachtige beweringen en gebeurtenissen in de afgelopen 2,5 jaar de vraag opgeroepen: wilde Beth wel dat Natalee zou worden gevonden?” vraagt Gielen zich af.

Moeder Beth Twitty wilde volgens Gielen maar één ding: Natalees laakbare gedrag en wijze van verdwijning verdoezelen. En daarvoor had ze een zondebok nodig. Dat werd Joran van der Sloot, de jongen die het laatst met haar was gezien, aldus Gielen.

Het zal je maar gebeuren als ouder. Je dochter verdwijnt op mysterieuze wijze, de drie verdachten liegen aantoonbaar en worden daarom zelfs opnieuw gearresteerd. Dan duikt er ene Renee Gielen op, die zonder enige feitelijke onderbouwing een jong meisje dat zich niet meer kan verdedigen, genadeloos neerzet als een drugsverslaafde lellebel die haar dood aan zichzelf heeft te wijten.

Een wanhopige moeder die begrijpelijkerwijs tot het uiterste wil gaan haar dochter terug te vinden, krijgt ook nog eens een trap na. Natalee Holloway en haar familie hebben misschien fouten gemaakt, maar dát hebben ze niet verdiend.

John v/d Heuvel

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 20:14 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Trap na voor wanhopige moeder

Terwijl ik...............bla die bla die bla...................

Natalee Holloway en haar familie hebben misschien fouten gemaakt, maar dát hebben ze niet verdiend.

John v/d Heuvel

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 21:02 schreef yyentle het volgende:
Wist John v/d Heuvel toen hij dit schreef, dat deze wanhopige moeder, de mensen die zij van moord verkiest te beschuldigen, zonder blikken of blozen van moord beschuldigt?
Wist John v/d Heuvel toen hij dit schreef, dat deze wanhopige moeder niet haar volledige medewerking aan het onderzoek wil verlenen?
Wist John v/d Heuvel toen hij dit schreef, dat deze wanhopige moeder het geen probleem vindt om acties te starten met de bedoeling de bevolking van Aruba (die haar geholpen heeft) willens en wetens en gewetenloos te duperen?

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 21:32 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Je lijkt de papagaai van Gielen wel Buster.
Die blies ook hoog van de toren maar kon helemaal niets waarmaken van wat ze allemaal beweerde . Vandaar niemand die you tube flut docu wilde uitzenden .
Zonde van die 3 jaar intensief onderzoek

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Maar toch moeten we medelijden met Beth hebben, want als je enige medestanders types zijn die dit soort stukjes schrijven of sukkels die dit posten, dan strijd je een kansloze strijd met nog kanslozere medestanders

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 21:35 schreef johan555 het volgende:
joran in thailand eind januarie
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rtl.nl

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 21:39 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Over kansloos gesproken, jullie smerige misbruik cq. verslavingstheorie . . breek me de bek niet open.

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Gek he . . stumperd

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 21:02 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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Wist John v/d Heuvel toen hij dit schreef, dat deze wanhopige moeder, de mensen die zij van moord verkiest te beschuldigen, zonder blikken of blozen van moord beschuldigt?
Wist John v/d Heuvel toen hij dit schreef, dat deze wanhopige moeder niet haar volledige medewerking aan het onderzoek wil verlenen?
Wist John v/d Heuvel toen hij dit schreef, dat deze wanhopige moeder het geen probleem vindt om acties te starten met de bedoeling de bevolking van Aruba (die haar geholpen heeft) willens en wetens en gewetenloos te duperen?

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 21:37 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:
Nee, een trap na verdient Beth zeer zeker niet. Zij is tenslotte haar dochter verloren en een dergelijk verlies kan een groot deel van haar gedrag rechtvaardigen, maar niet alles m.i.

Zo lang niet bekend is wat er ook daadwerkelijk is gebeurd en alles is gebaseerd op aannames en omstandigheden die niet of nauwelijks te controleren zijn, moeten m.i. alle mogelijkheden en theoretische onmogelijkheden nader onderzocht worden.

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Op maandag 16 februari 2009 23:21 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:
Dave Holloway wil een nieuwe zoektocht naar Natalee. Klik hier voor het artikel

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Op dinsdag 17 februari 2009 08:52 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Ja duikkie, Er is nu eenmaal een hoop kwaad bloed gezet op Evil Island door de, in hun ogen, te bijdehante amerikanen.
Wanneer Mos het over emoties heeft bij de Amerikanen, dan wordt de balk in zijn oog wel erg zichtbaar.

Hij is het die zich laat leiden door zijn negatieve gevoelens jegens de Amerikanen.
Hij is het die de vervelende Amerikanen nu liever buiten de deur houd omdat hij heult met de belangen van de toeristenbranche.

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Op dinsdag 17 februari 2009 08:52 schreef bastibro het volgende:Ja duikkie, Er is nu eenmaal een hoop kwaad bloed gezet op Evil Island door de, in hun ogen, te bijdehante amerikanen.

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Op dinsdag 17 februari 2009 11:02 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Niet meer op reageren bassie op die persoonlijke aanvallen .
Ik hoop dat er een Admin of mod nu eindelijk eens ingrijpt en dit soort lieden gaat weren hier .

Aruba 2009 Carnaval Queen Speech