Hierboven kun je zien waar de snifferdogs Eddy en Keela hebben gereageerd.quote:Regarding the diagram, produced by Correio da Manhã, there are a few mistakes: for example, the sofa should be placed under the left window, there, exactly at the middle of the window, human blood and cadaver scent was found. The window in the twins and Maddie's bedroom, which is annotated in the diagram with a dog is wrong - the cadaver scent was found on the opposite side of the apartment, outside, in the small garden or backyard . Through investigation it was established that no one had died in the apartment prior to that day, so the scent and blood, which indicated a partial match to the genetic profile of Madeleine, provides the conviction that she was the one that died there. The closet in the McCanns bedroom was big enough to hide a corpse inside.
Vooralsnog is er op het moment weinig nieuws, enkel een nieuwe sighting in Spanje:quote:Madeleine's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007
Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about Madeleine's movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.
Time Location
07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation for Kids Club
09:00 - 09:30 Gerry takes Madeleine to the Kids Club (Jane Tanner reports that Kate was at the tennis courts during this time with Dianne Webster)
09:30 - 12:30 Kids Club activities
12:30 - 13:30 Collected by parents for lunch in the apartment
13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with parents (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
14:40 - 17:00 Return to Kids Club
17:00 - 17:30 Kids Club teatime, at the Tapas restaurant/bar, under the parents supervision. Based on current statements, it is unclear who collected Madeleine. Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging on the beach at 17:15.
17:30 - 19:30 The usual routine suggests that Madeleine was allowed to play in the playground area beside the tennis courts, just outside the Tapas bar, under her parents supervision. Tired out, she would then be bathed and made ready for bed. We don't know if that happened on 03 May. But we do know, from CCTV evidence, that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May and that neither the McCanns, nor their children were there.
18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and seen Madeleine in her pyjamas ready for bed. However, this crucial incident is not mentioned at all by Payne in his first police interview. Neither is it mentioned by anyone else, in the statements we've seen so far.
19:30 - 20:00 Put to bed, with Kate and Gerry waiting until 20:30 before leaving for tapas restaurant and bar
21:05 - 21:15 Observed to be asleep by Gerry McCann
22:00 - 22:30 Reported missing by Kate McCann
Kate McCann's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007
Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about their movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.
Time Location
07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation of children for the Kids Club
09:00 - 09:30 According to Jane Tanner, Kate arrives at the tennis courts at 09:00, with Dianne Webster, and waits for Tanner to finish her lesson at 09:30
09:30 - 10:00 Kate has tennis lesson, with Tanner observing
10:00 - 12:30 ???
12:30 - 13:30 According to the usual routine, the children are collected for lunch back in the apartment - it is not specified who collected them on 03 May.
13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with the children (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
14:40 - 15:45 ??? - possibly preparing for/playing tennis with Gerry (see next entry)
15:45 - 17:15 Observed by Jane Tanner to be playing tennis with Gerry at 15:45 - this is not mentioned by either Kate or Gerry in their statements, so it remains unclear when they started and finished.
17:15 - 17:30 Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging alone on the beach at 17:15. This was the Kids Club teatime.
17:30 - 19:30 ??? - We know from CCTV evidence that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May. Neither the McCanns, nor their children were there. In addition, neither Kate nor Gerry offer any clarity on their whereabouts beyond stating that the usual routine was for the children to play for a while in the playground beside the Tapas bar before being bathed and prepared for bed.
18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and found her dressed only in a bath towel. This incident is not mentioned by either Kate or Payne in their first police interviews.
19:30 - 20:30 The children put to bed. Kate and Gerry stay in their apartment to relax until 20:30. Kate took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with Gerry.
20:30 - 22:00 At the Tapas bar/restaurant (Meal served at 21:00 according to Tanner)
22:00 - 22:30 Undertakes 'check' on Madeleine and reports her missing
Gezien het aantal vieuws en het toch nog af en toe in het nieuws komen van de zaak, met name als Amaral een inteview geeft of er weer een statement wordt afgelegd, de nieuwe sighting in Spanje en het gedoe om het Maddy-fund zou ik toch nog graag een topic openen, als het niet loopt of er niets meer in het nieuws komt over de zaak kan hij dicht, voorlopig is er echter nog bijna dagelijks wel iets in de pers over de zaak en we (Suko en ik zei de gek) hebben gezegd dat we door zouden gaan tot Madeleine gevonden was of er niets meer over de zaak verschijnt, dussss.........quote:New Madeleine McCann sighting at Spanish resortBritish holidaymakers claim to have seen a girl resembling missing Madeleine McCann on the Spanish island of Majorca, reports claim.
According to the Sun a UK couple told police of the similarity between a girl seen with two women last Sunday at Cala d'Or.
They only reported the sighting after first returning to their hotel room to check internet pictures of Madeleine.
The Sun said police had so far been unable to locate the girl seen by the UK tourists.
"Officers are looking in hotels and holiday apartments to try to locate the young girl this couple saw," a police source told the tabloid.
"So far we have not been able to find her.
"The couple's account was detailed and there were no contradictions in their statements.
"However, we are aware of the numerous previous sightings all over the world that have turned out to be false and it could well be that the couple have made an honest mistake."
Madeleine was three when she disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, the Algarve, Portugal, in May last year while her parents Kate and Gerry dined at a nearby restaurant.
There have been hundreds of sightings of Madeleine across Europe and north Africa since she went missing.
Inderdaad, Livelink, dat is ook de reden dat ik er nog maar 1 heb geopend, misschien tegen beter weten in maar het blijft een heel vreemde zaak, degene waar het om gaat, Madeleine, is al heel lang een beetje buiten beeld, het gaat nu om gekwetste ego's het winnen van de publieke opinie en tabloid bingo zoals Anorak het uit drukt.quote:Op zondag 28 september 2008 13:44 schreef livelink het volgende:
Toch nog een topic. En net als bij het vorige topic blijf ik tegen beter weten in toch hopen dat het de laatste is.
Het blijft me toch bezighouden. Ik kan het zelf niet verklaren waarom ik dit niet los kan laten. Het heeft te maken met het gevoel dat er klassejustitie plaats heeft gevonden en de verbijstering dat het allang niet meer om Madeleine zelf lijkt te gaan. Ik blijf het dus volgen.
quote:Madeleine McCann: Our Danny Baldwin And Using Maddie For PR
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann
NEW ZEALAND HERALD: “TV Review: Out of the treacle comes trouble for everyone”
If anyone has wondered whatever happened to Coro’s cheeky cockney Danny Baldwin (Bradley Walsh), who went missing from the soap not long ago, here he is…
Where’s Our Danny?
“…playing a cheeky cockney in the missing-child drama Torn, which started on TV One last night.”
Any good?
When Torn screened in Britain a year ago, there was some debate over its merits because of the Madeleine McCann case.
With or without Our Maddie, it was dire… “it was like wading through treacle… Or like running up and down a beach in thick sand.”
PC WORLD (online): “Bungie accused of using Madeleine McCann case to promote Halo – ‘Maddie, where are you?’”
PC World… Isn’t that where Gary Glitter took his hard drive to?
In an unfortunate cross-cultural coincidence, Halo developer Bungie has inadvertently drawn parallels to a famous child abduction case to promote its new Halo 3 expansion pack. In a new teaser trailer, which depicts a war-torn city landscape, various messages flash up on the screen, including one that asks “Maddie, where are you?”
Cross-cultural? Our Maddie is international…
For many people, particularly living in Britain, this seemingly innocuous phrase will bring back memories of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a three-year old British girl who was allegedly abducted from a Portuguese resort while on holiday with her parents. At the time of the abduction, the slogan “Find Maddie” and “Where’s Maddie?” featured prominently in British newspapers and international publicity campaigns around the world.
Innocuous? A missing child and some PR. What a coincidence, indeed. Still, Halo 3…
Bungie has denied any intent to create publicity by exploiting the McCann disappearance, with a representative claiming “This is both an unfortunate and unintended coincidence” on the official Halo forum.
Of course it is.
Overigens was er al eerder sprake van een zekere samenwerking tussen Microsoft en de McCanns, er zou een extra Madeleine-button komen in één of andere programma (Facebook of MSN, weet ik niet zeker), heb daar niks meer over gehoord maar mogelijk zijn de contacten 'warm' gebleven. Zoals bekend weet bv Clarence Mitchell als geen ander hoe het publiek te beinvloeden, dat is jaren lang gewoon zijn werk geweest en zijdelings nog steeds en is daarin gewoon één van de beste. Laten we het maar ophouden dat zowel de McCanns als Halo 3 de publiciteit hebben gehaald wat ze helemaal niet erg vinden, integendeel....quote:"Amerikanen zijn als de dood voor zogenaamde onbewuste beïnvloeding. Plaatjes die zo kort in beeld zijn dat je ze niet kunt waarnemen, maar die de bioscoopbezoeker wel aan zouden zetten tot het kopen van popcorn en cola, zorgden in de jaren vijftig al voor ophef. En nadat er een plaatje van een naakte vrouw in Disney’s ‘De Reddertjes’ bleek te zitten, moesten alle exemplaren van deze video uit de winkels worden gehaald. Dat het plaatje zo kort in beeld was dat het tijdens gewoon afdraaien niet te zien was deed er niet toe, want het zou de onbedorven kinderziel wel degelijk onbewust kunnen beïnvloeden.
Voor het aan de man brengen van producten lijkt deze methode echter ideaal. Mensen kunnen niet wegzappen of wegkijken, simpelweg omdat ze het niet zien. Ondertussen doet de boodschap tóch zijn werk. Of onzichtbare reclame echt werkt, is maar moeilijk te testen. Maar een groep Londense onderzoekers is wel weer een stukje dichter bij de ontrafeling van het raadsel van de subliminale beelden gekomen." >>> etc etc
Snatched??? Daar is geen enkel bewijs van zoals in het eindrapport is gemeld, integendeel....maar ja, het is dan ook een krant in het verspreidingsgebied van de McConns....The Leicester Mercury .quote:Parents in appeal to game firm
Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 09:30
The parents of missing Madeleine McCann are calling for a "Maddie" reference to be removed from a new video game. Game developer Bungie has courted controversy after a teaser trailer for the new Halo 3 Campaign Experience flashed up with the phrase "Maddie, where are you?".
Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, said they were aware of the reference. He said: "There is a brief glimpse of the phrase. "If this was designed to be a reference to Madeleine then that would be in very poor taste and deeply disappointing to Kate and Gerry.
"The game manufacturer has said it is a coincidence and we are happy to take that on face value.
"Having said that, we would like the reference to be removed or amended, but I don't know how possible that is." The game is an "expansion pack" to the highly successful Halo 3 – a science fiction shooting game published on the Xbox 360.
The minute-long trailer for the game features pods landing on a futuristic city. The view then moves to a helmet camera. Various messages and phrases flash up on the screen. The Maddie reference is visible for less than a second on three frames, but was spotted by British gamers.
They then posted it up on web forums. Bungie then responded to the concerns on the official Halo forum. A spokesman said: "This is an unfortunate coincidence but there is no connection between Bungie's game and the tragic disappearance of that little girl. "As always, all of the characters in our games are fictional. "Any similarities between real life and the characters in our games are purely coincidental. "That said, this is both an unfortunate and unintended coincidence." Madeleine, from Rothley, was snatched while on holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal, just a few days before her fourth birthday last May.
Het zal mij benieuwen hoe lang het duurt voordat dit nieuws opduikt in de McCann secties van het internet nieuws:quote:Madeleine McCann And The Polish Connection
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann
The New (Poland): “Polish link in missing Madeleine McCann case”
Poland should not miss out…
Police in Poland have investigated whether a Polish couple from Warsaw were involved in the kidnapping of the four-year old British girl Madeleine McCann in May 2007.
Poland…
“Two days after the kidnapping, Portuguese authorities asked us for help looking for the missing girl. According to their information, a Polish married couple were staying in the same hotel as the McCanns at that time,” a source within the Polish state prosecutor’s office has revealed to tvp.info Internet service.
Polish…
The source also told the service that Portuguese investigators wanted the Warsaw police to immediately search the Polish couple’s flat to look for any clues.
Search their flat… because they are Polish..?
“We could not agree to that, because the mere fact that they were staying at the same place was not enough evidence,” the source explained.
But they’re Polish…
But tvp.info reporters have found out that the police in Warsaw did put the Polish couple under discreet police surveillance. As a result, any links between them and the missing Madeleine were disproved.
Such are the facts…
quote:Ruim 120 arrestaties bij actie tegen kinderporno
MADRID - De Spaanse politie heeft 121 arrestaties verricht in een landelijke actie tegen kinderporno. De internetuitgave van het dagblad El Mundo berichtte woensdag dat miljoenen opnames en foto's in beslag zijn genomen. Daar zitten ook beelden bij die „uitzonderlijke agressie tegen kinderen tonen”.
Het onderzoek in deze 'operatie Carrusel' is vorig jaar zomer begonnen in samenwerking met de Braziliaanse federale politie. Er is een netwerk op het internet ontdekt waar pedofiele opnames werden uitgewisseld in circa 75 landen.
Onder de arrestanten zijn figuren van zeer uiteenlopende achtergrond en leeftijd, aldus de Spaanse recherche.
Ha ha, ja mooi stuk, ook de commentaren, zoals deze, heerlijk:quote:Op woensdag 1 oktober 2008 12:10 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Oh wat een heerlijk sarcastisch stuk dit:
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Het zal mij benieuwen hoe lang het duurt voordat dit nieuws opduikt in de McCann secties van het internet nieuws:
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------quote:Was it the Portuguese and English governments that decided to sabotage the investigation and to get the McCanns “off the hook”?
by Domingos Amaral*
Now that the Maddie case has been archived by the Public Ministry due to a lack of evidence; now that the process has been opened for public consultation; and now that the PJ inspector who coordinated the investigation, Gonçalo Amaral, has already published a book about the issue, it has become possible to list my conclusions about the case. Here they are:
1 – Contrary to what was suggested by the British press, which presented him as a negligent policeman who spent his life in long lunches, washed down with plenty of wine, and with little investigative capacity, the impression that I got from Gonçalo Amaral, both from the tv interviews and from reading the book, is that he coordinated a competent investigation, that followed the rules, that was neither biased nor tendentious, and that he did everything to crack the case.
2 – All the evidence that was collected by the PJ pointed, right from the first days onward, to the little girl’s death inside the apartment and the subsequent concealment of the cadaver, probably by her parents.
3 – The indicia that was collected, both from witnesses, and later from the DNA tests, pointed into that same direction.
4 – The behaviour of the little girl’s parents’ friends is very strange. There are contradictory depositions that seem to have been “built” to lead the PJ into the direction of the abduction theory. On the other hand, the fact that all of the friends abandoned Portugal in a hurry is extremely disturbing.
5 – The manner in which the little girl’s parents behave, speaking to Sky News on the same day and transforming the case into a media event, obviously forcing the abduction theory, is extremely surprising. It does not seem normal to me that a father and a mother, when confronted with the disappearance of a daughter, establish as their first and only priority to transform the case into a worldwide media event.
6 – Since the first hour, the English press accepted the abduction theory, which was communicated to them by the parents, without judgment. Like a brainless flock, they fell on Praia da Luz exercising enormous pressure on the PJ, suggesting that Portugal is a third world country, and complicating the investigation. We remember that it was an English journalist that “invented” the suspicions about Robert Murat, thus forcing the PJ to investigate him and to waste time with a situation that was lateral, but which suited the parents’ purpose.
7 – The fact that the little girl’s father is a personal friend to Prime Minister Gordon Brown led to the English government making available to the parents, media specialists who built and forced the abduction theory. It was a highly professional operation that used sophisticated marketing techniques, in the press and on the internet, with meetings with international personalities, which culminated with the visit to the Pope in the Vatican.
8 – This remarkable public campaign was accompanied by a political pressure behind the scenes, with the English government exerting pressure on the Portuguese government, in the direction of the abduction theory.
9 – For many months, it was evident that the PJ had lost the public opinion battle and that it was not prepared to handle a media and political pressure of such proportion. In terms of public communication, the case was very badly managed by the PJ and by the Public Ministry.
10 – Despite these tremendous political and media pressures, the investigation proceeded on the terrain and was approaching important conclusions, which clearly pointed to the parents’ guilt, at least of the crime of cadaver concealment.
All of these conclusions lead me to formulate two questions: Why were the directory of the PJ and the Public Ministry incapable of having the courage to accuse the parents, like the investigation suggested? Was it the Portuguese and the English governments that decided to sabotage the investigation and to let the parents “off the hook”?
Some day the truth will emerge, but for me, and even without bulletproof evidence, a case like this should never have been archived and those parents should be tried in court. source: Diário Económico, 01.10.2008 *Portuguese journalist and author. By Astro. Bron: NHS & The McCanns: Abuse of Power
Link naar dat artikel waar de McCanns verklaren, September 29, 2007: "Find the body and prove we killed her." Bewaard op een blog want natuurlijk is dat artikel nergens meer in de Britse online-pers te vinden....Maar wat een belachelijk, berekenend én veelzeggend statement van toen de PR-dame Justine McGuiness, ook in sept 2007, omdat het lichaampje niet is gevonden dat dat het beste bewijs is dat de McCanns onschuldig zijn. (Er zijn tig strafzaken waarbij de verdachten werden veroordeeld ondanks dat het slachtoffer niet/nooit is gevonden) Hebben we dat maar met de McCanns afgesproken vorig jaar September??? Vanaf toen, Sept 2007, veranderde de toon ook van de Britse pers ná de ontmoeting met de editors, iets wat ze nog steeds doen, beppen met de editors and directors of the major British newspapers. De UK qua pers zou niet misstaan in het Oostblok.quote:Clarence Mitchell, spokesperson for Kate and Gerry McCann, is one of the guests of honour for the next annual conference of the Society of British Editors, where the former director of the Media Monitoring Unit is scheduled as a speaker.
Amongst the other speakers, is Sly Bailey, boss of the Mirror Group, Carolyn McCall, Director General of Guardian Media, Paul Dacre, editor of the Daily Mail, and Christopher Meyer, President of the Press Complaints Commission.
The Society of Editors is an organisation that brings together more than 400 members and that, according to its internet site, defends values like the universal right to freedom of expression and the right of the public to be informed.
(Editor's note: Ok then, Clarence, why not stand up there and maintain those lofty principles by telling the public why the McCanns did not return to Portugal to help the police with a reconstruction of the events surrounding their daughter's disappearance?
Tell us, Clarence, why the McCanns allowed stories of sightings to be published when they knew they had been investigated and ruled out? It's all in the case files. And while you're at it, Clarrie, how did Kate know for sure that Madeleine had been abducted? Why was she absolutely sure that Madeleine could not have got out of her bed and walked out of the unlocked door? Just a few Clarence for you to be getting on with. I am sure there are lots more questions that people want answers to, answers the public, with their right to be informed, have not been given.)
In the case of Madleine's disappearance, the McCanns' spokesmen and lawyers have maintained regular contact with editors and directors of the major British newspapers. * On September 12th 2007, after Kate and Gerry McCann were officially constituted as arguidos, Justine McGuiness, their then spokesperson, and their lawyer Angus McBride, met with several editors and directors to whom they explained that the fact that the Portuguese authorities had not found Madeleine's body was the best proof of the couple's innocence.
(Editor's note: And the British editors and directors did not come up with a few cases to prove this was not how the law works? No body proves innocence? And Angus McBride, a lawyer, actually put his name to this bollox? Some things, as the cliché goes, you just couldn't make up!)
The next conference of British editors will take place at the Marriot Royal Hotel in Bristol, from 9th to 11th November. Vertaald van een artikel geplaatst door Duarte Levy
Dat is het zeker. Daarom is deze kwestie nog steeds in de actualiteit. Niet (meer) vanwege Madeleine, bijna niemand gelooft meer dat ze in leven is. In feite is zij één van de velen die vermist is, helaas. Maar het is uniek te noemen dat een paar dokters als ouders en niet eens bijzonder, Kate McCann is parttime huisarts en Gerry McCann is Consultant Cardiologist (wie heeft ooit van die twee gehoord voor de vermissing, mogelijk moord of dood door schuld) er mee weg komen met behulp van de Britse overheid tot aan PM Gordon Brown aan toe. En waarom heeft men een PR-man (werkte eerst voor de overheid) ingehuurd als je niks te verbergen hebt? Van enige Britse medewerking om dit mysterie op te lossen is geen sprake, integendeel. En dát is eigenlijk de issue, waarom is er zoveel energie in gestoken om de Portugese onderzoekers zo dwars te zitten, niets qua achtergronden van de McCanns/Madeleine en hun vakantievrienden mocht worden onderzocht in de UK, ook de verzoeken vooraf voor enige info (die niet werden gehonereerd) duurden maaaaaanden, kostbare verloren tijd ging verloren. DNA-onderzoeken in de UK waren eerst nogal overtuigend, enige tijd later niet meer en onderzocht materiaal kwijtgemaakt' en/of tijdens onderzoeken vernietigd. Getuigen liegen en/of worden geintimeerd. En binnen een week na de 'vermissing' werd een fonds opgericht en een website opgezet, dat doet denken dat de McCanns niet verwachten dat Madeleine spoedig zou worden gevonden. In het eindrapport van het Portugese onderzoek werd verder vastgesteld dat er geen sprake is van een ontvoering, daar zijn geen bewijzen voor gevonden. Op 2 okt 2007 werd na één telefoontje van Gordon Brown, de leider van het politie-onderzoek, Gonçalo Amaral, van z'n positie ontheven, net op het moment dat hij bezig was met het onderzoeken van een aantal aanwijzingen. Heeft daarna ontslag genomen en een boek geschreven The Truth Of The Lie. Snippers (voorpublicaties) daaruit zijn reeds gepubliceerd in een aantal vorige delen van dit topic. Amaral meent dat Madeleine in het vakantie-apartement van de McCanns is gestorven en dat de ouders schuldig zijn aan een cover-up. Hij is op tour en steeds meer geeft hij iets prijs in interviews, speldenprikjes ook naar de McCanns. Het boek komt ook uit in de UK, de McCanns denken hem aan te klagen, iets wat Amaral helemaal niet erg vindt, laten ze maar uitleggen wat er niet waar is in zijn boek, hij geeft in hoofdzaak de feiten weer zoals ze zijn opgeschreven door de PJ. Dat wordt nog spannend straks....Hij concludeert verder dat dit geen politie-zaak is maar verworden tot een politieke kwestie.quote:
---------------------------------------quote:Amaral in Vigo: 'Madeleine's parents are suspected of hiding the body'
The policeman who handled the McCann case, before being removed, affirmed that there are indications of negligence.
F. FRANCO / VIGO Before being removed from the investigation of the Madeleine case, the policemen who were involved came to very firm conclusions. Madeleine died in the apartment of the Ocean Club, there was a simulation of an abduction, the McCann couple are suspected of participating in the concealment of the body, death could have occurred as a result of a tragic accident and there is evidence of negligence in the care and safety of the children.
These are the final theses defended by Gonçalo Amaral, the inspector removed from the so-called Madeleine case, the child who disappeared in the Algarve on May 3, 2007. The Coordinator of the investigation yesterday opened the new season at the FARO Club with a lecture - "The Truth of the Madeleine Mystery," after being introduced by the FARO journalist, Ujué Foces. Along the same lines and responding to a question, Amaral made it clear: "If I had done the politically correct thing I would not have had to retire but a criminal investigation is only committed to the truth. It should not be concerned about political correctness. But in this case other, not strictly police issues, have prevailed."
Amaral suspects that, five months after the incident took place on May 3, Portuguese political power had already decided on a strategy. "For me, the investigation was dead from October 2nd 2007, following a new English ultimatum. I have the feeling that the statements made by the national director of our national police sought to prepare public opinion for the inevitable, that is to say, the end of the investigation and the filing of the case."
Responding to different questions, some generalisations, others specific, including some from Rosa Neira, the mother of the Vigo resident Déborah, who appeared dead in bizarre circumstances, Amaral also gave his impression on the McCann couple, the parents of the girl. "They are normal people, parents who have lost a daughter whom they certainly loved very much and for whom they have cried, and they feel guilty for that. The father wanted to save at least the rest of the family, the children who are left."
The inspector was referring to the possible negligence for having left the children alone while they had a system of checking every so often but, above all, the suspicion of the concealment of the body falling on them.
Amaral said that the fact that McCanns would be considered as "charged" created a turning point in the investigation between the Portuguese and English police. "There was a spoken understanding between two policemen to continue the line of investigation seriously, facing the possibility that her death had occurred in the apartament but, suddenly, the English changed course without any coherent technical explanation. It was always strange how the couple were treated, even after they were considered suspects, and the police information to which they occasionally had access."
Concerning the participation of the media he said that "a global phenomenon occurred, never before seen, in which the British press acted with very suspicious organisation, maintaining the thesis of the abduction. They said many things, truths and lies, and attended, in addition to the duty of information, disinformation campaigns that sought to discredit the criminal investigation and those responsible for them, considering them as a Third World country."
Questions that he had asked himself were reported or left hanging in the air: "How is it possible that a criminal investigation questions Portuguese justice, the Judicial Police and police cooperation between two countries with one of the oldest alliances in the world? What powers hindered and harmed such research? There is something disproportionate in this whole case... " Source: Faro de Vigo. Translation by Ines.
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Madeleine McCann: Paedos From Lamp-Posts, Hating Fiona Philips And JonBenet Ramsey
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann
QUEENSFERRY GAZETTE (Scotland): “We’ve been ad”
A CONCERNED mum has spoken out about the potential hazards posed by new outdoor advertising boards. Janette Sheppard is also worried that other parents may think the boards are simply lamp-posts.
Lamp-posts, for paedos to hide behind… Like those (G)litter bins…
She said: “These have just sprung up – one is outside my son’s primary school. At first glance it would be easy to mistake them for lamp-posts, but they are actually advertising boards.”
The wonders of modern technology. Who would have thunk it. Go on…
“There is a small electronic strip at the top which could be used by the council to post information if a child goes missing. I believe the council also gets some revenue from the boards.”
Making money from missing kiddies. For shame!
“My concern, as a parent, is if the council thinks it’s appro-priate to put one of these boards outside a primary school. Our kids are already inundated with advertising – do they really need more? And what kind of advertising is it going to be?”
Sweets. Peados. Guns. Snuff movies. You know, the usual kids’ stuff…
A West Lothian Council spokesperson said: “The new signs are part of the Amberwatch system, which is designed to allow urgent safety messages to be relayed instantly to the local community. The similar Amber Alerts system in America has been credited with helping locate over 100 missing children, and the parents of Madeline McCann have campaigned to have such a system installed across Europe.”
So there it is. It’s there to advertise when a child goes missing; and when a child doesn’t go missing…
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Review: My Sister, My Love by Joyce Carol Oates”
Review: My Sister, My Love by Joyce Carol Oates - The unsolved murder of a child star is too close to real events for David Robson
A child star… Get ready to be entertained…
Novels based on real-life crime stories always leave a slightly queasy taste. Novels based on unsolved real-life crime stories leave an even queasier one.
Hands over mouths; heres it comes…
There are probably writers already working on fictionalisations of the abduction of Madeleine McCann, but it is hard to feel much respect for them.
They don’t do it for the respect. They do it for the money; like the newspapers…
The same applies, mutatis mutandis, to this ethically questionable piece by Joyce Carol Oates, inspired by a crime that was the talk of America in 1996, when a six-year-old child beauty pageant contestant called JonBenet Ramsey was found brutally murdered in the basement of her parents’ house in Colorado.
DAILY STAR: “THAT’S VERY IRRITATING - FIONA IS BRITS’ MOST HATED CELEB”
IT’S Fiona Philips, GMTV’s soon-to-be ex-self-righteous-Labour-cheering-ultra-violet-toothed-baby-boasting-braying-nodding-head.
FIONA Phillips is more annoying than the washout summer, chavs and Heather Mills.
Mills isn’t annoying; Mills is entertaining.
Her on-screen gaffes include telling the parents of missing Madeleine McCann: “There are light moments. You’ve acquired this odd celebrity status.”
A gaffe? No way. This is the highest praise possible in the GMTV lexicon. GMTV renders everything it touches a celebrity: car crash victim, prime minister, doctor etc. are all touched by the GMTV celebrity wand. A celebrity… nothing bigger, nor better…
100 MOST ANNOYING THINGS FOR 2008
1. Benefit scroungers
2. The credit crunch
3. Tailgaters
4. Cold callers
5. People reading over your shoulder
6. Gordon Brown
7. Fiona Phillips
8. Being bloated
9. Rising fuel prices
10. Falling house prices
11. The wet summer
12. Middle lane drivers
13. Constipation
14. Bossiness
15. Slow internet connections
16. Being put on hold
17. Pregnant women smoking
18. Someone nicking your parking spot
19. Stepping in dog poo
20. Jehovah’s Witnesses
21. Debt companies advertising on TV
22. Skinny people who complain they are fat
23. Queue jumpers
24. Bullying
25. Noisy neighbours
26. Nosey neighbours
27. People parking in disabled bays when they aren’t disabled
28. Junk mail
29. Snobs
30. Noisy eaters
31. Dog owners who don’t clean up after their pets
32. People putting our Olympic achievements down
33. Novelty ringtones
34. Automated phone systems
35. Chavs
36. People who walk slowly
37. People who take their kids to shops and let them run riot
38. Amy Winehouse
39. Sienna Miller’s love life
40. Rude shop staff
41. Wasps
42. Diarrhoea
43. Cristiano Ronaldo
44. People who have their mobile turned off when you really need to get hold of them
45. Dannii Minogue
46. Mosquitoes
47. Kids kicking the back of your chair on a plane
48. Hangovers
49. The hot water running out when you want to take a bath
50. Busses not arriving on time
51. Heather Mills
52. James Blunt
53. Reformed smokers
54. People talking on their mobile on public transport
55. Headaches
56. The smoking ban
57. Toothache
58. Litter bugs
59. Spots
60. People who write “text back” in texts
61. Scientology
62. Russell Brand
63. Screaming kids
64. Alistair Darling
65. Traffic wardens
66. Americans
67. Roadworks
68. Big Brother
69. Pete Doherty
70. Runny nose
71. PDAs (public displays of affection)
72. Flat tyres
73. Ashley Cole
74. Tax returns
75. Finding out that you’ve run out of toilet paper when you really need
the loo
76. Boasters
77. Not having change when you really need it
78. Carol Vorderman
79. Paper cuts
80. Stepping in chewing gum
81. Bad hair days
82. Charley Uchea off Big Brother
83. Mothers-in-law
84. Cashiers giving you your change on top of a receipt
85. Posh Spice
86. CDs that jump
87. Stubbing your toe
88. Getting something in your eye
89. Losing your glasses
90. Cat hair that sticks to your clothes
91. Children who cough in your face
92. Losing your passport
93. People ramming the back of your heels with trolleys
94. Rubbish opening times at doctors and dentists
95. Kate Garraway
96. email spam
97. People using mobiles in the quiet carriage on the train
98. People who don’t remove their shoes in the house
99. Naomi Campbell
100. Troublesome computer printers
And so on…
Middag Yyentle, Kahaarin en de rest.quote:
En dan wat vreemde uitspraken van die Jon Corner:quote:Twelve days after Maddie disappeared, a couple revealed the strange behaviour of one of the group’s members. Testimonies only reached the Judiciária in January this year
David Payne, one of the McCanns’ friends that were on holidays in the Algarve on the 3rd of May last year, when Madeleine disappeared, was suspected of paedophile behaviours.
The accusations were brought by a couple of friends that spent their holidays with part of the group in the summer of 2005 – themselves also English doctors. Twelve days after the British girl disappeared, Katherina and Arul could no longer keep the secret that had bothered them for two years and went to the police to make a statement. They revealed two conversations between Dave and Gerry, during which both revealed suspicious behaviour and indiciated sex with minors.
According to what CM was able to establish, the depositions were given on the 16th of May. But they only entered the process in January 2008 and are included in the 13th volume of the process files. At that point in time, Kate and Gerry were already arguidos, the rogatory letters had already been issued and the English, including Dave, showed their reluctance in returning to Portugal.
Touching the nipple
Katherina made a statement that was eight pages long. She reported holidays in Mallorca with several English [people], including the McCanns and the Paynes. Two incidents left her with serious doubts about the friends’ behaviour and lead her to create suspicions that were never confirmed.
The first one happened on a night when Gerry and Dave were talking about Maddie. Katherina does not know what they were saying but she remembers that Dave sucked on his fingers, pushing them into the mouth and pulling them out again, while his other hand traced a circle around the nipple, with a circular movement over the clothes. “That was done in a provocative manner”, recalls Katherina, who says that it stuck to her memory.
Days later, the scene repeated itself. The doctor saw Dave making the same gestures again, while he talked about his own daughter. Scared, Katherina said nothing about the incident. But she took special caution, asking her husband never to let the doctor come close to the bathroom when her daughter was having a bath.
Arul went to the police to tell the same story. Katherina’s companion confirmed the gestures that were made by Dave during the conversation with Gerry but asserted that he wasn’t aware that they were talking about Maddie. He did find the behaviour in extremely bad taste, but didn’t see it being repeated.
The incident ended up forgotten in his memory and it was only the disappearance of Madeleine, who had also been with them on the Mallorca vacation, that revived it.
During the deposition, Katherina went even further and said she had associated the gestures to someone who likes to watch child pornography. “I remember thinking whether he looked at the girls in a different manner”, she concluded.
more details here
Source: Correio da Manhã 19.07.2008, paper edition. Translations by forum posters Kazlux and Astro (here).
En dat er onder dokters ook pedofielen zitten is allang bekend, een artikel: Nine UK doctors suspended after viewing child pornography. Bronquote:Link: Jon Corner: Maddie was "SO BEAUTIFUL" with "SPECIAL QUALITY"
Jon Corner's very strange comment in Vanity Fair about three year old Maddie: “So beautiful, astonishingly bright, and I’d have to say very charismatic. She would shine out of a crowd,” family friend Jon Corner says of the child. “So—God forgive me—maybe that’s part of the problem. That special quality. Some bastard picked up on that.”
Vanity Fair article
Discussion at The 3 Arguidos here
Reacties zijn verder hier te lezen. Dat Carter-Ruck is een bureau van media-advocaten die de McCanns al een tijd geleden heeft ingehuurd...Onlangs nog over Kate's Dagboek (geld gedoneerd in hun fonds), en excuses van de Daily Express, ook weer geld aan dat fonds gedoneerd.quote:Since early September, my activity in this page has been reduced. I came to Macau, on holidays, and I decided to accept a job offer. It is a full-time job, as editor of a local Portuguese daily newspaper, and I've been quite busy. I will keep posting, about Madeleine's case (*) but not with the same regularity. Soon, I'll have some interesting news, after a long and detailed analysis of the attendance sheets from the Ocean Club crèches. One of the aspects that surprised me is the fact that several registrations, on those sheets, have the time (and signatures) when children (not the McCann's kids...) were left there, but no signature and no mention about the time they went out. This detail raises doubts about the level of control that Ocean Club staff had, concerning children in their crèches. Either the control was not as good as they referred, or there is something strange with those attendance sheets.
(*) I received a letter from Carter-Ruck, threatening to take me to court, if I don't stop immediately writing about the case - something I have no intention to do.
Hopelijk ook mettertijd in Nederland te zien, zonder geknip!!!! Mogelijk wordt er een reconstructie van die avond qua checks van de kids nagespeeld etc etc.quote:Filming for next 20 days Correio da Manhã
* Maddie: Documentary for TV
Paulo Marcelino 10 October 2008 - 00h30
The book 'Maddie - The Truth of Lie' is the starting point for a documentary that is being filmed in the Algarve over the next 20 days. Goncalo Amaral, coordinator of the PJ in the process and author of the book, is not the only character to appear in the TV production.
The documentary will be produced by Manuel Fonseca, of Valentine de Carvalho, and most of the filming will take place in Perth and in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann disappeared from on May 3, 2007. "First we will work and then make statements. The formal announcement will be at another time," said Manuel Fonseca to CM, producer of films such as 'Koko' and 'The Private Life of Salazar'.
Goncalo Amaral coordinated the first five months of the investigation, in one of the most media focussed cases ever. The inquiry eventually ended, this summer, at which time the former coordinator published his book, a pioneering work of police revelation that has sold about 200 thousand copies in Portugal. It has been on sale since September in Spain and will soon be published in Denmark, Sweden and Norway. "Everyone likes to see their work valued," said Goncalo Amaral, about the purpose of the documentary. Bron: McCannfiles
hey hoi allemaal, hoe is het ermee? Was even afwazig vanwege een griepje, maar ben er weer.quote:Op vrijdag 10 oktober 2008 21:14 schreef Suko het volgende:
Na alle prikjes richting de McCanns van Amaral via interviews komt er nu een documentaire waarbij het boek 'The Truth of The Lie' van voormalig leider van het politieonderzoek, Goncalo Amaral, de basis is:
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Hopelijk ook mettertijd in Nederland te zien, zonder geknip!!!! Mogelijk wordt er een reconstructie van die avond qua checks van de kids nagespeeld etc etc.![]()
En verder een eerste analyse van de gegevens die tot nu toe bekend zijn en loopt van sept 2007 t/m febr t/m 2008. Bijeengebracht door Luz, poster van het 3arguidoforum: PJ FILES: Sep 2007 (PT/UK) / Feb2008(PT) - Analysis Reports Het zou fijn als al het geteut er tussen wordt weggehaald, nu worden topics onnodig lang en bijna niet meer te volgen. Ergerlijk ook dat er steeds posters (trollen) proberen het onderwerp te draaien, aandacht afleiden, ook in andere topics...grrr.
quote:Madeleine McCann And The Dawn Of Creationism
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann
In the beginning was the word. And the word was “Maddie”…
THE INDEPENDENT: “Religion vs science: can the divide between God and rationality be reconciled?”
And on the eighth day the media was created and Our Maddie did come to the fore…
‘A clergyman in charge of education for the country’s leading scientific organisation – it’s a Monty Python sketch,” pronounced Britain’s top atheist, Richard Dawkins, recently. The problem was that Reiss, as well as being an evolutionary biologist and population geneticist, is a non-stipendiary priest in the Church of England.
Still dunno.
The danger is that between the strident secularists and the fanatical fundamentalists some important middle ground is being squeezed out. “Dawkins sees religion as credulous, superstitious and prejudiced but mature religious traditions teach people to challenge all that,” says Tina Beattie.
Dawkinzzzz…
“Science will never offer an answer to the parents of Madeleine McCann. Nor will it ever be irrational to go to a Mozart concert, though science can never explain the genius of his music.”
Mozart. McCann. Maddie. DNA. Science. Creationism. Maddie. Do you understand now..?
Hoooooi Kahaarin, ja ken het griepverschijnsel, om me heen dan, veel gesnotter en spierpijntjes, ik hoop dat het aan mij voorbij gaat...quote:Op zaterdag 11 oktober 2008 17:37 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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hey hoi allemaal, hoe is het ermee? Was even afwazig vanwege een griepje, maar ben er weer.
Wat een gedoe rond die files....
In Anorak worden er nog net geen alu hoedjes uitgedeeld...
Oh en lees het commentaar ook vooral, daar kun je zien dat de mensen die klagen over het niet vertalen van het boek van Amaral ook andere dingen openbaren.....
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Wel, we weten dat iedereen in de gaten wordt gehouden door de McCanns ingehuurde luitjes en niet alleen ter bescherming van hen zelf zoals wij alleen reeds weten. There is much to hide! Ik weet niet of Amaral's boek niet in het Engels wordt vertaald maar de UK-pers heeft het boek wel in het bezit, zoals de Daily Star meldt: "Chunks of the 221 pages have been translated into English and posted onto the internet. The book, seen by the Daily Star, includes photos from police files." Bron Reken maar dat dus niet alleen de Daily Star de inhoud van het boek kent....quote:-agw: Jo you are not gagged. We have no wish to suppress your right to freedom of speech. It is a fact that sometimes you stray into areas which are dangerous for you and for us. Other sites face exactly the same risks but lack professional legal or journalistic background staff to recognise those dangers. We welcome and enjoy your contribution and presence here. Without going into precise details there is one fact you should bear in mind. By far the greatest media for the communication of ideas is the English language. Goncalo Amaral’s book has been (or is being) translated and published into every major European language… but not English. Why do you think that is? Be careful how you answer…and that is the problem.
Goh, een hele firm die cctv footage van ik weet niet hoeveel camera's bestudeerd geven ze hun geld niet aan uit maar het Amber alert mag wat kosten.....quote:Madeleine McCann investigators 'claimed nearly £50,000 expenses in one month'
The fund to find Madeleine McCann has become embroiled in fresh controversy after it was reported that private investigators hired in the search claimed nearly £50,000 in expenses for one month's work.
Madeleine was nearly four when she went missing while on a family holiday in Portugal in May last year
Photo: PAUL GROVER
US-based firm Oakley International was taken on by the Find Madeleine Fund earlier this year on a £500,000 six-month contract.
The company was chosen by double-glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy, who has promised to back the McCanns financially to help solve the mystery of the disappearance of their daughter.
Oakley was hired to monitor a telephone hotline, carry out detective work and review CCTV footage from around the world of possible sightings of the missing girl.
But Mr Kennedy became concerned by the level of Oakley's £43,500 ($74,155) expenses claim in the first month of the contract.
The company's contract was terminated at the end of August after Mr Kennedy had become concerned at its lack of results.
Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the Find Madeleine Fund, said that Oakley International was no longer working on the case.
He said: "The contract with Oakley was just one among many that have been entered into during the search for Madeleine.
"While Oakley did some valuable work, particularly in the early stages, its contract, like many others, has now come to a close.
"The search for Madeleine is continuing, however, using other resources and the performance of other contractors is constantly reviewed and monitored.
"Kate and Gerry and the backers will leave no stone unturned in the search for Madeleine."
Madeleine has not been seen since May last year, when she disappeared from the family's apartment in the Portuguese holiday resort of Praia da Luz shortly before her fourth birthday.
Former police officers are now being interviewed by Mr Kennedy to take over responsibility for the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.
Mr Kennedy, 47, estimated to be worth about £250million, made his money in double-glazing and home-improvement ventures with companies including Everest windows.
He became involved with the McCanns after being moved by their plight during the period they were made formal suspects – arguidos – in Madeleine's disappearance.
Portuguese prosecutors dropped the couple's arguido status in July.
A spokesman for Oakley International said: "We carried out our instructions from the Fund professionally and responsibly in accordance with our agreement."
Een 3arguidoposter+Mod heeft daar een puntig commentaar op:quote:News and Support
From Day 528: 12/10/2008
Day 528: First of all I want to apologise for not updating this blog for so long. I would like to assure everyone that this gap is not because there is little going on in the search for Madeleine. On the contrary, Kate and I have been incredibly busy over the last couple of months since the PJ files were made public. We and our family have always vowed to leave no stone unturned in the search for our daughter and knowing exactly what has been done and, more importantly, what has not been done is vital in planning our future strategy.
Getting the files translated accurately is a time consuming and expensive process but essential to our search. There is a huge amount of information contained within the files which we have not been party to until now and this needs to be assessed carefully. This is even more important as the Portuguese investigation is officially closed.
In some ways, although this task is monumental, it has been good for us doing being something active and positive which we believe may help find Madeleine. We are also using this period to get advice to maximise our effectiveness and efficiency in our overall strategy going forward. Keeping Madeleine’s image in the public eye will continue to be important and the distribution of posters is central to that aim.
Finally we would like to thank everyone for their continued, support, prayers and letters. I promise to do another update in the near future. We will be looking at how the website functions, as the main portal of the find Madeleine campaign, and perhaps future updates will be via another route rather than my blog. Why don’t you let us know what you think by e-mail messages of support? Bron
Ik voeg er zelf maar aan toe dat mensen helemaal niet naar de site van de McCanns moeten mailen, beste kans dat email-adressen voor andere doeleinden worden (mis)gebruikt...quote:From this blog entry I gather:
1. The parents have paid for an expensive translation of the DVD, the cost no doubt having been borne by the people who donated to the fund. This is variously seen (within the same sentence) as them doing something active or it being something active.
2. They have sought advice to maximise their effectiveness and efficiency in their overall strategy going forward. (This advice seems to have suggested that the distribution of posters might be undertaken.)
3. There has been a summer recess so the Amber Alert has been on a back burner - no action there then - not that it assists in the search for Madeleine anyway.
4. It would seem there has been some consideration also of the website and how it functions. The result of this is that Gerry's next update may come from some other source.
So in the last few weeks:
- publicity such as posters - none
- assisting the police in the UK or Portugal - none
- personal appeals/interviews - none
- attempts to put out a clear and logical timeline of the night of the disappearance - none
- demands to the Portuguese Authorities that the case be re-opened - none
Nog even dat Kate zich beklaagde over dat iedereen, en ook Amaral, Maddie zegt, eerder gepost: "Kate beweerd in het Expresso-interview: "Q – Aren’t youcurious to know what the book says? Kate – What for? It must be nothing but a load of rubbish. It is so secondary… It certainly won’t help to find our daughter. My consolation is that on the cover he calls her Maddie, the name that the media have invented. We never called her anything like that." Het blijkt nu dus wel overduidelijk dat ze uit de bekende nek zit te ouwenelen, Madeleine stelde zichzelf zo voor, en iedereen noemde haar zo, inclusief oma Healey en ook peetom van de twins, Jon Corner. Als ze zelfs over haar naam moeten liegen, ik bedoel maar...quote:Madeleine's disappearance - the PJ have doubts Enfants Kidnappés
Monday 13 October 2008 Thanks to 'AnnaEsse' for translation
Several days of interviews
It is May 8th 2007, being the fifth day after Madeleine McCann's disappearance. At this stage, the PJ have taken statements from dozens of people. Hundreds of pages in the reports. Everybody has been interviewed. Employees of the Ocean Club, nannies, or child-care workers from the Kids Club, cooks and assistant cooks at the "Tapas" and the "Millenium", cleaners, gardeners, maintenance workers, managers for the club's various services, directors and managers of the complex, tourists, owners of apartments, neighbours, people who were at the "tapas" on May 3rd 2007, tennis coaches... in short, no one was left out. Everybody was interviewed. We are sparing you all these interviews, which for the most part bring nothing to the investigation or at least no new leads. They are mainly interviews which, in general, bring out the following common points:
1) No one noticed anything unusual about Madeleine.
2) No one noticed any strange individual at the complex.
3) No one noticed anything suspicious which could be linked to Madeleine's disappearance.
4) No one noticed any suspicious vehicles or any suspicious unidentified people.
It is to be noted that even the GNR police officers, first on the spot, were interviewed by their PJ colleagues, in spite of reports of the operation being sent.
With regards to the PJ's interviews over the past few days, a change is noted in how the case is being perceived. Thus the questions which the PJ are putting to various witnesses are implying that the PJ have doubts about the statements from the parents or friends in the group. We note, however, that the slightest info, concerning the slightest suspicion was professionally checked, immediately. Numerous pages of the case file attest to this. Up to now, May 8th 2007, every lead, or opening of a lead, has been checked and it was, each time, a false lead. Like, for example, a suspicious car noticed near the Ocean Club recpetion by various witnesses. In the end, it was the service vehicle of a Club employee who had come to make an urgent repair to a door lock.
Why these doubts for the PJ?
On reading various witness statements, given the number of leads checked, it seems difficult for someone to have been able to get into the complex, gain access to the McCanns' apartment, take Madeleine, get out of the apartment, leave the Ocean club, take flight via whatever means of transport and that no one, absolutely no one, saw anything. No strangers, no suspicious or unusual vehicles, not even a shadow of a person carrying a child at the times and places where there were other people... From the police point of view, if these witness statements do not totally exclude the possibility of an abduction, they make the theory less credible. As a result, the answer must lie elsewhere. Notably with the group of friends (parents included). The only person to have seen a suspect with a child is Jane Tanner, a member of the group of friends.
Note, for the record, that all the child-care workers, having contact with Madeleine, state that Madeleine introduced herself to them by her shortened name "Maddie". This adds nothing important to the case file except that it contradicts Kate's statements. On the other hand, it is noted that the Kids Club operates three free services, one of which is in the evening until 11.30pm so that parents can eat at the restaurant in peace. Finally, we know that the Club has a, "missing alert" procedure, that it is a structured and thoughtful procedure, and that this procedure was set in motion as soon as Maddie's disappearance was announced, employees having been called from their homes to participate in the search.
Interview of an employee from the swimming pool bar
In her interview, this employee states that access is restricted to clients and that this is controlled via the client's card at the entrance. She adds that she has not come across any unauthorised person on the site. She explains that on the day of Madeleine's disappearance, at around 8.30pm, her friend was called following a problem with a lock in an apartment situated close to the "Millenium" restaurant. She went there with her friend. At around 9pm, they went back towards the Club's reception. They passed near the "Tapas" and by the McCann family's apartment. They state that they saw nothing suspicious. They saw no one and no vehicles. Her friend left the premises at around 9.10pm with his service vehicle and she left at 9.15pm in her own car.
The case file contains numerous witness statements like that, so that together, these witness statements contradict the statements from the "tapas 9" group. A reconstruction would have made this clear immediately and would have highlighted the contradictions of the informants.
Goedemiddag!quote:Op dinsdag 14 oktober 2008 11:13 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ik heb deze post van Spudgun even teruggetrokken, misschien plaats ik deze weer maar ik wacht eerst even deze discussie af, hij post een aantal antwoorden zoals deze die mij verontrusten. Ik wacht het af....![]()
Laatste verklaring op deze pagina:quote:Najoua Chekaya arrived in Portugal on March 2007, recruited in England to work for Mark Warner, according to her statement to the PJ, in May 2007. Just a curiosity, the translator was Robert Murat. She described her daily working routine, as an aerobics instructor and said that when she arrived at Ocean Club, she was asked also to perform a "Quiz Game", at night (09:00 pm), at the Tapas Bar, twice a week – every Sunday and Tuesday.
On May 1, 2007, after the "Quiz" was finished, Najoua was invited by Gerry McCann to sit at their table, to have a drink. She was there for 15/20 minutes, between 9.30 and 9:50 pm. There was just casual talk and she doesn't know if Madeleine's mother was at the table or not.
During that period of time, nobody left the table, but there was an empty chair. Who has been sitting at that chair, Najoua didn't know.
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Comment: This is an extremely important piece of information, as we had previously been led to believe that at 9.30pm, on the night of Madeleine's disappearance, Ms Chekaya had been invited to join the tapas table, by Gerry McCann, following completion of the quiz. Her police statement makes it quite clear that this was not the case. Consequently, she cannot corroborate, or provide an alibi for, any of the McCanns or their friends movements on the night of May 3rd.
quote:22.00: O’Brien rejoined the table shortly before 10pm. Not long afterwards Kate got up to make the next check on her three children. The walk must have taken her less than a minute. Madeleine was not in her bed.
Left behind was Cuddle Cat, Madeleine’s comfort toy. She was never separated from it, especially at night.
According to Kate, the bedroom window was open and the shutter up, yet they had been closed and down when Gerry checked at 9pm. Kate searched the apartment and the area immediately outside.
She ran down the hill and into the restaurant, where Gerry recalls her shouting or screaming either “Madeleine has gone. Somebody has taken her” or “Madeleine has gone. Someone has taken her”. Other reports suggest she shouted, “They've taken her.”
Gerry thought “that can’t be right, that can’t be right”. He went running up to the apartment with Kate and checked everywhere she had already looked, and made a quick run around the apartment block.
N'vond Kahaarin.quote:Op woensdag 15 oktober 2008 13:53 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Goedemiddag!![]()
Ik ben even gaan zoeken en hij refereert aan dit:
http://downloads.officesh(...)/MaddieMcCann_PJ.pdf
Dat kun je op de madeleine wiki pagina vinden:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_McCann
Is Joana bezig met het vertalen van dit? Ik kan er namelijk echt geen chocola van maken. En om nu alles met babbelfish te doen is me net te veel werk, 57 pgina's is een beetje veel.......
Ik ben benieuwd......
Volgens mij zou je dat zelf kunnen doen...toch?quote:(Oh en nog een aanvulling van huishoudelijke aard, ik heb deel 12 ook weer gevonden: Maddie McCann: Occams razor (12). , voor in de, eventueel, volgende OP, missschien wil een MOD dit nog even toevoegen in de huidige OP?)
Hoi Suko!quote:Op woensdag 15 oktober 2008 22:52 schreef Suko het volgende:
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N'vond Kahaarin.Wat Spudgun betreft, ik begin hem ietwat te wantrouwen, daarom ook mijn post verwijderd. Hij beweerde eerst in de ontvoering te geloven... Dat is niet zo volgens zijn analyse vorig jaar, hij wist het toen eenvoudig niet, vind ik ietsje anders. Vervolgens heeft hij het over poor Gerry en Kate zonder aanhalingstekens, dat vind ik een beinvloedende zin. Dan heeft hij het over een boek, alleen daarin zal misschien de waarheid naar boven komen, maar vervolging zal uitblijven. Hoezo dat dan? De zaak kan heropend worden met nieuwe feiten. En komt er misschien een boek van de McCanns dan? En journo's mogen/durven niet te onderzoeken, geen inkomen willen riskeren. Ook dat ze een deal zouden sluiten, Spudgun schrijft: "In fact, they tried to broke a deal with the McCanns lawyers which would allow them to remain 'on bail', whilst investigations and subsequent court proceedings entailed." Dat is naderhand door hun Postugese advocaat als een misverstand omschreven, want zo'n deal kent de Portugese wet niet. Een boze Kate belde die deal ook door naar de zus van Gerry, waarom naar die hysterische dikke trol? Toen kreeg ik argwaan jegens Spudgun...
Zou je denken? Dan heeft hij zich een behoorlijke tijd kunnen handhaven binnen die groep.quote:Hij schrijft verder iemand te kennen die meer weet, ja ja. Dat soort verklaringen heb ik wel tig keer gelezen en bleken nonsens Ene Coldwater toen op het 3arguidoforum had een heel lang topic, hij/zij werd zowat aanbeden, had ook sources inside, maar eigenlijk frommelde hij/zij reeds bekende feiten in een nieuwtje of verzon simpel wat aanwijzingen die plausibel leken maar het niet waren. Hij/zij is na de vrijspraak van de McCanvs niet meer op dat forum gezien. Dat topic is ook weggehaald. Wie en wat is Spudgun echt eigenlijk, iemand uit het McCann-kamp? Ik voel nattigheid...
Dat we niet alles krijgen te zien had ik wel verwacht, maar om zo op een rijtje te zien wat de verklaringen van de Tapas9 in eerste instantie waren en dat er toch behoorlijk wat hiaten en tegenstrijdigheden inzitten vind ik op zijn minst curieus....quote:Over die Quiz-dame Najoua Chekaya gaan er hier ook wat vragen over, zij had het over 1 mei...Dat eindrapport heb ik idd al een paar keer gepost maar dan van de site van Joana Morais Ik hecht er niet zoveel waarde aan, er staat meer niet als wel interessants in, echt belangrijke krijgen we niet te lezen (duizenden documenten) en een deel hebben de McCanns in handen. Net zoals Amaral al in juli zei: "It is not a declaration of innocence" - Gonçalo Amaral, in Correio da Manhã.
Nee, dat kan niet meer, kijk maar eens naar jouw oude berichten, dat is veranderd, nu kun je beperkt wijzigen.quote:Volgens mij zou je dat zelf kunnen doen...toch?
Nou, dat zegt dan ook weer genoeg, de laatste tijd was het al zo stil, dit is weer een mooie manier om de pers verder monddood te maken.quote:Hou jullie vast, Sky News: Madeleine: 'Tapas 7' Win Payout
En de Guadian: .Desmond's papers back in court to apologise for more shoddy journalism (middels een blog van McCann-fan Greenslade) Voorlopig gaat het 3arguidoforum over de rooie: Sky Breaking News 15.10.08 - TAPAS 7 to get £375,000 MERGED
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Mogguh Kahaarinquote:Op donderdag 16 oktober 2008 11:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Hoi Suko!Hmmm, waar hebben we dat eerder gezien? 15 minutes of fame uitgemolken lijkt wel..... Ik zit niet zo in de blogs maar goed, ik ga wat dat betreft op jou af.
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Zou je denken? Dan heeft hij zich een behoorlijke tijd kunnen handhaven binnen die groep.![]()
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Dat we niet alles krijgen te zien had ik wel verwacht, maar om zo op een rijtje te zien wat de verklaringen van de Tapas9 in eerste instantie waren en dat er toch behoorlijk wat hiaten en tegenstrijdigheden inzitten vind ik op zijn minst curieus....
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Nee, dat kan niet meer, kijk maar eens naar jouw oude berichten, dat is veranderd, nu kun je beperkt wijzigen.
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Nou, dat zegt dan ook weer genoeg, de laatste tijd was het al zo stil, dit is weer een mooie manier om de pers verder monddood te maken.![]()
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Magoed, gekheid weer op een stokje, behalve die 375.000 Pond dus geen nieuws.
Ik krijg een crash met het open van die PDF-link maar ik vermoed dat daar beknopt staat beschreven wat verder in stukjes (hier en hier o.a.) op het 3Arguidoforum wordt geplaatst, dus idd niet meer te volgen.quote:Op woensdag 15 oktober 2008 13:53 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Ik ben even gaan zoeken en hij refereert aan dit:
http://downloads.officesh(...)/MaddieMcCann_PJ.pdf
Dat kun je op de madeleine wiki pagina vinden:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_McCann
Is Joana bezig met het vertalen van dit? Ik kan er namelijk echt geen chocola van maken. En om nu alles met babbelfish te doen is me net te veel werk, 57 pgina's is een beetje veel.......
Ik ben benieuwd......
Discussie hier te lezen.quote:'Tapas 7' Arrive At High Court Sky News
10:39am UK, Thursday October 16, 2008
Friends of Kate and Gerry McCann have arrived at the High Court to receive £375,000 in newspaper damages.
Kate and Gerry McCann friends arrive at High Court
The Express Newspapers group will pay out the huge sum after falsely claiming the so-called 'Tapas 7' misled the Madeleine investigation.
It has also apologised to the friends, who were eating with the couple in a nearby restaurant on the night the girl disappeared.
The seven are couples Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, Rachael and Matthew Oldfield, Fiona and David Payne, and Mrs Payne's mother, Dianne Webster.
They are expected to donate the money to the Find Madeleine fund.
The friends were on holiday with the McCanns in Praia da Luz, Portugal, last May, when Madeleine disappeared, just days before her fourth birthday.
The nickname for the group came from the restaurant where all nine adults were dining when Madeleine went missing from her family's holiday apartment nearby.
Sky's Crime correspondent Martin Brunt said: "This is the third time this year newspapers have agreed a settlement.
"The first was against Express Newspapers - they were forced to pay out just over £500,000 to Kate and Gerry McCann for more than 100 defamatory articles.
"In July, a number of newspaper groups were involved in an even bigger payout - around £600,000 - to Robert Murat, the first suspect in the case, who was subsequently cleared of suspicion by the Portuguese authorities."
quote:Op donderdag 16 oktober 2008 12:05 schreef Suko het volgende:
Mogguh KahaarinOw, dan moet idd Mod Tmaatje dat veranderen.
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Ow jammer, het is wel degelijk een volledige vertaling, met pagina benoemingen en zo, maar je mist er niet zo veel aan hoor....quote:Ik krijg een crash met het open van die PDF-link maar ik vermoed dat daar beknopt staat beschreven wat verder in stukjes (hier en hier o.a.) op het 3Arguidoforum wordt geplaatst, dus idd niet meer te volgen.In dit topic, pag. 2 gaat het er even over. Joana Morais meldt en vertaald dit niet maar verwijst zelf ook naar dat forum.
Een misunderstanding m'n neus, toen al is begonnen met het bespelen van de pers, en dan zeggen dat de PJ valse claims maakt en de pers gebruikt om de McCanns in een kwaad daglicht te zetten....quote:Ik heb gevonden via jouw Wikipedialink waar kennelijk Spudgun aan refereert, maar net wat ik al schreef, een verdere link op die site meldt: "The McCanns' lawyer, Carlos Pinto de Abreu, told the Guardian claims by relatives that police had offered Mrs McCann a plea bargain if she admitted to accidentally killing her child were wrong. The claims were the result of "a misunderstanding" while she was being questioned." Bron Spudgun had even moet melden dat er geen deal gemaakt kón worden, dat kent de Portugese wet niet. Maar nee, bij volgt alles op de voet, hij heeft inside info zegtie maar dan moet je de feiten wel melden zoals ze zijn. Topic
Ga ik zo even op mijn gemak lezen.quote:En verder wat interessante artikelen op het blog van Joana Morais:
'The Tapas Seven' - An Apology?!?!?
Maddie is worth Gold - 24Horas
ow, ik zie het, het lijkt er op dat ze niet erg van dat geld kunnen genieten als ze het niet doneren aan het Maddy fund:quote:Ik ben niet bekend met die Britste tabloid-cultuur maar het zou me niks verbazen als de wraak van The Daily Express 'zoet' zal zijn, kan misschien even duren maar sommige Engelse posters weten het zeker....(en waarom alleen de DE moet dokken, er zijn wel meer kranten geweest met 'gevaarlijk' nieuws vóór de vrijspraak en vorig jaar zoals de Daily Mail en The Sun e.d.)
Gniffel, het zal mij benieuwen.....quote:I have been in Publishing for 30 years.............
YOU DONT UPSET NEWSPAPERS OR THEIR JOURNALISTS.
Because they come back to haunt you, to set you up.
They will bring in the Dirty Brigade. It will be their job to fish and fish and fish.
'new cars brought with Maddy money'
'holidays brought with Maddy money............... the list will be endless..........it may take time, it may take years, but they are all damaged goods.
Lol, 12 keer niet beantwoorden, tjonge, ik zou wel een vlieg op de muur willen zijn als hij de Tapas9 gaat verhoren.quote:Maar goed, jammer dat ook journo Jeremy Paxman van het BBC-actualiteiten-programma Newsnight er niets mee doet, and we all know why....a must see > hoe hij iemand ondervraagt om een antwoord te krijgen, een historisch moment en veel bekroond. Wie en het onderwerp doen er niet zo toe, maar Jerry gaat door en door en door...if only he could interview some of those Tapas 9....duurt net aan 2 min.
Het is nu ineens zeker dat het geld naar het Maddy fund gaat? Wat raar, al kan ik me voorstellen dat ze het bloedgeld, want dat is het in mijn ogen gewoon, verkregen over de rug van een verdwenen meisje, niet zelf durven te houden.quote:The 481 thousand euros go directly into the Find Madeleine fund, which “needs money to continue to support the investigation to find Madeleine”, Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns’ spokesman, told 24Horas.
“With this compensation, the Fund will have about 700 to 800 thousand Pounds [approximately 900 thousand to 1 million euros]”, he added.
Whahaha...onze posten kruisen ietwat, had ff the Court-foto + artikel geplaatst. Yep, poen is voor het fonds, weet je veel, misschien een stimulans om het publiek ook weer te laten storten...niets is als het lijkt, alles heeft een bijbedoeling. Middle-class-people, geef mij maar recht voor z'n raap. Jeremy...Jerry...Jerry!quote:Op donderdag 16 oktober 2008 12:28 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Dat dus..... * kahaarin zegt pwetty pwease tegen een mod....*
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Ow jammer, het is wel degelijk een volledige vertaling, met pagina benoemingen en zo, maar je mist er niet zo veel aan hoor....![]()
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Een misunderstanding m'n neus, toen al is begonnen met het bespelen van de pers, en dan zeggen dat de PJ valse claims maakt en de pers gebruikt om de McCanns in een kwaad daglicht te zetten....
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Ga ik zo even op mijn gemak lezen.
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ow, ik zie het, het lijkt er op dat ze niet erg van dat geld kunnen genieten als ze het niet doneren aan het Maddy fund:
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Lol, 12 keer niet beantwoorden, tjonge, ik zou wel een vlieg op de muur willen zijn als hij de Tapas9 gaat verhoren.
Gut ja, bloedgeld willen ze best wel maar kunnen ze mogelijk (duistere redenen?) niet en dit zou ook kunnen, betalen voor scoops, of te wel Clarrie-nieuws! Good thinking...quote:Op donderdag 16 oktober 2008 12:34 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Huh? Een quote uit jouw 2e link:
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Het is nu ineens zeker dat het geld naar het Maddy fund gaat? Wat raar, al kan ik me voorstellen dat ze het bloedgeld, want dat is het in mijn ogen gewoon, verkregen over de rug van een verdwenen meisje, niet zelf durven te houden.
Ook vind ik het vreemd dat er steeds als er geld tekort is de pers betaald, zou het ook een soort kopen van scoops kunnen zijn? Dat de pers vantevoren betaald om de meest sappige details als eerste te horen? Dat vroeg ik me zo ineens af.....
Haha, de hele tapas bende, inclusief 24horas en Britse tabloids bij Jerry Springer? Dan mag Steve wel versterkingen laten komen.quote:Op donderdag 16 oktober 2008 12:36 schreef Suko het volgende:
Whahaha...onze posten kruisen ietwat, had ff the Court-foto + artikel geplaatst. Yep, poen is voor het fonds, weet je veel, misschien een stimulans om het publiek ook weer te laten storten...niets is als het lijkt, alles heeft een bijbedoeling. Middle-class-people, geef mij maar recht voor z'n raap. Jeremy...Jerry...Jerry!
Tja, ik blijf denken dat de McCanns iets weten over de andere 7 Tapas gangmembers, of dat er meer fishy zaken in de doofpot moeten. Denk maar eens aan die dubieuze foto's van Maddy, om maar iets te noemen.quote:Op donderdag 16 oktober 2008 12:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
Gut ja, bloedgeld willen ze best wel maar kunnen ze mogelijk (duistere redenen?) niet en dit zou ook kunnen, betalen voor scoops, of te wel Clarrie-nieuws! Good thinking...
Oja, die Steve! Heeft inmiddels een eigen programma geloof ik. Maar jouw theorie over dat geld vind ik zeer geloofwaardig. En ja we zullen het weer van fora en blogs moeten hebben voor het echte nieuws. Fiona Payne heeft nog wat gezegd voor het gerechtshof, bla bla bla. McCannfiles:quote:Op donderdag 16 oktober 2008 12:49 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Tja, ik blijf denken dat de McCanns iets weten over de andere 7 Tapas gangmembers, of dat er meer fishy zaken in de doofpot moeten. Denk maar eens aan die dubieuze foto's van Maddy, om maar iets te noemen.
Als er dan een dealtje met de pers word gesloten dan hebben ze een beetje meer lucht, immers als ze de pers in hun portemonnee hebben dan kan er bijna geen ranzigheid, die eventueel opduikt, geprint worden zonder dat het voor 100% vast staat dat het idd waar is.
Met deze deal hebben de pers en de Tapas9 zich onlosmakelijk aan elkaar verbonden ben ik bang.....![]()
Ik vermoed dat we de komende tijd best wel weer eens een heleboel Clarrie-spin tegemoet kunnen zien, wat zullen ze nu weer onder het tapijt proberen te schuiven? Maar goed de Portugese pers en de blogs in de gaten houden dus.
quote:Transcription of Fiona Payne's statement outside High Court
16 October 2008
"The abduction of Madeleine McCann, the daughter of our friends Kate and Gerry, on May 3rd 2007, changed all our lives in an instant.
But for no-one more so than Madeleine.
The defamatory stories written about us were not only extremely damaging on a personal level but we strongly feel were detrimental to the search for Madeleine.
This aspect has been particularly heart-breaking to witness.
Although we are very pleased with today's result it changes little when Madeleine's plight remains ongoing.
She is still missing and her abductor still free.
Our only aim is to see her safely recovered and reunited with the family who so adore her.
All the damages received today are being paid directly into the Find Madeleine Fund to continue this ongoing search and investigation into her disappearance.
We believe that Madeleine is still alive and can be found.
We ask anyone who has any information, however small or seemingly unimportant, please come forward.
Contact details can be found on the Find Madeleine website.
And finally, we thank wholeheartedly all those who have already helped in the search for Madeleine."
En over de medetegenwerking van de Tapas 7 die nu zo mauwen over de geleden schade, hoe zat het ook alweer??? Reminder: "De ouders van Madeleine McCann, Gerry en Kate en hun vakantie-vrienden, de zogenoemde Tapas 7, weigeren deel te nemen aan de reconstructie die plaats zou vinden op 29/30 mei j.l.in het Portugese Praia de Luz. De McCanns vinden het o.a. te lang geleden, Kate McCann zou het niet aankunnen en de PJ weigerde deze reconstructie te zien als een soort CrimeWatch, de Nederlandse variant van Opsporing Verzocht. De Tapas-vrienden (Russell O’Brien en zijn partner Jane Tanner, Rachael en Matthew Oldfield, Fiona en David Payne, en Fiona's moeder, Dianne Webster) konden het niet in kun drukke schema inpassen en volgens sommige krantenberichten waren enkele vrienden bang dat ze, net als Kate en Gerry, als formeel verdachten (Arguido's) zouden worden verklaard. De reconstructie zou moeten nagaan of de door henzelf opgegeven timeslines op die fatale avond op 3 mei 2007 wel kloppen wat betreft het checken van de kinderen die alleen sliepen in de diverse apartementen."quote:1- On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?
2- Did you search inside the master bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)
3- (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?
4- Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?
5- How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?
6- Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?
7- Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.
8- Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?
9- When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?
10- What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?
11- Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?
12- Who contacted the authorities?
13- Who took place in the searches?
14- Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?
15- Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?
16- What does “we let her down” mean?
17- Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?
18- How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?
19- During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?
20- Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?
21- Who did you phone after the occurrence?
22- Did you call Sky News?
23- Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?
24- Did you ask for a priest?
25- By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?
26- Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?
27- What was your behaviour that night?
28- Did you manage to sleep?
29- Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?
30- What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?
31- Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?
32- What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?
33- What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?
34- As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?
35- What is your medical specialty?
36- Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?
37- Did you work every day?
38- At a certain point you stopped working, why?
39- Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?
40- Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?
41- Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?
42- In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?
43- In the case files you were forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
44- When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
45- When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
46- When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
47- When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
48- Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?
A Question She Did Answer
- Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardizing the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?
- “Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.”
Dit is het antwoord van Spudgun op een poster die wantrouwen uitsprak:quote:Op dinsdag 14 oktober 2008 11:13 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ik heb deze post van Spudgun even teruggetrokken, misschien plaats ik deze weer maar ik wacht eerst even deze discussie af, hij post een aantal antwoorden zoals deze die mij verontrusten. Ik wacht het af....![]()
Nou, zeg het maar......quote:I guess you have answered your own question. My predominant purpose for listing was, indeed, to boost morale. I happen to think that morale is one of the ingredients that will ensure the continuation of this Forum, which I believe to be critical in the fight to ensure that Madeleine McCann is not consigned to the annals of 'unsolved mysteries'.
You are, I feel, a tad unkind in suggesting that I have " contributed little or nothing to the forum before". Many posters here know me from having made inummerable postings on Anorak, the Mirror Forums and the old Sky News Madeleine Forum. Many people also know me as a Journalist, although I do not generally write copy, I work within the TV Media, although I DID publish "A story for Christmas" on a UK news website and have posted several articles in the Portuguese press. Hardly Queen Mother like, I would suggest, but I feel it does help to dispel the 'Charlatan' tag, does it not? I would respectfully suggest that you are suffereing from some inexplicable syndrome that renders you incapable of grasping the fundamentals of what I am trying to write. There are no outrageous claims in my post, no promises of false hope.
If you knew anything about me at all, you would know that my predominant claim, right back to mid 2007 when I first started posting, is that Kate and Gerry McCann have friends and influence in very high places, and that they would escape any charges whatsoever, let alone convictions. That is STILL my position. I stated, (much to the chagrin of many other posters), that the Regoratory letters would never truly be executed, and that Gordon Brown would take the opportunity to intervene in the case and stop the Portuguese from visiting to conduct their enquiries when he attended the EU conference in Portugal, (which he did; I made at least FIVE posts, stating that the Portuguese entourage would not take place, despite the Portuguese Press stating that the team would be boarding a plane to the UK within 24 hours. It took 4 Months to get here, after the Home Office eventually gave the go ahead, and they never conducted a fraction of the enquiries that they were meant to). It was my letter that elicited the response from Piers Merchant that eventually forced Gordon Brown to make the only comment he has ever made to the press in the Madeleine McCann case, stating that the Government had not, inordinately assisted the McCanns.
I am not trying to blow any trumpet here. I am not, and have NEVER tried to make any accusation or wild claim. I have many, extensive contacts within both the UK and Portugal, and I have posted many things that I have been told by them, all of which have subsequently been borne out, especially within the released documents. I can not understand why my postings should cause you such concern or sceptism. I have hardly made an outlandish assertion. The information that is in the posession of my colleague, (ie: the 30,000 documents), is hardly revelationary, given that most other news agencies have the same documentation. I have merely added the information that he and I have gleaned from conducting additional enquiries in Portugal and elsewhere. I have NEVER made any claim to know what happened. (Again, if you read my posts, I have always stated that I do NOT have any true notion of what happened). I would love for nothing more than for Madeleine McCann to be found in a remote area of god knows where, alive and well. I would happily face ridicule and scorn for my postings. Until that time comes, I believe that there are questions that need to be asked, and all my posting says is that I now believe that they will be. Whether the answers will be forthcoming remains to be seen.
You are quite free to fester in your own pit of gloom, mistrust and negativity. I, for the first time in this case are optomistic for the future.
Tja, veel van wat hij schrijft is ook door anderen voorspelt, zelfs hier op Fok! Ik merk een zekere arrogantie, stelt veel te weten en dan weer niet. Heeft veel contacten in Portugal en de UK. "The information that is in the posession of my colleague, (ie: the 30,000 documents), is hardly revelationary, given that most other news agencies have the same documentation. I have merely added the information that he and I have gleaned from conducting additional enquiries in Portugal and elsewhere. I have NEVER made any claim to know what happened. (Again, if you read my posts." Zoveel tegenstrijdigheden, ik twijfel heel sterk. Duik er dan in, spreek met die en die, doe wat! Ik zou dan verder alles op alles zetten wat scoops (if any) trachten te slijten, wáár dan ook Maar dit merendeels non-nieuws werkt op mij als een rode lap op een stier, of andersom, ben ik ff kwijt.quote:Op donderdag 16 oktober 2008 17:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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quote:There is no doubt that Brian Kennedy is a driven man. He has built a business empire with a turnover of more than £400million, as owner he has transformed Sale Sharks into one of the leading rugby clubs in Britain, who face Munster tomorrow in the second round of the Heineken Cup, and fathered five children.
He is ultra-competitive. Only last weekend he raced Kingsley Jones, the club's coach and former Wales captain, uphill and beat him even though there is more than ten years between them. Family - he married at 19 - sport and the commercial world are his life blood. But over the past year he has also been consumed by another cause. Kennedy has been heavily involved in supporting Gerry and Kate McCann in the search for Madeleine, their missing daughter.
Kennedy 48, is reluctant to talk about his role or the reasons why he chose to put a chunk of his fortune, estimated at more than £250million, at their disposal. He has said before that he simply felt compelled to step in. “I have chosen to keep a low profile on this,” Kennedy said yesterday. “It is not about me. It is about Madeleine. I don't want to comment personally on this except to say there is a big job still to do and we are focusing on getting it done.”
Seventeen months after her disappearance in Portugal, Kennedy remains as committed as ever to discovering what happened to Madeleine and helping the family to end their torment. “Am I still involved?” he said. “Absolutely. Have we given up hope? Have we hell. The battle has just commenced. We have plans and when we are ready to tell the world about them we will do so.”
Kennedy has become friends with the McCanns and Gerry has been his guest at Sale. “He is a keen rugby man and really likes his sport,” Kennedy said. Asked how he thought they are coping, he replied: “The only person who could answer that is someone who has gone through the same thing. Fortunately, the vast majority of us have not. As a parent you feel for them. Whatever you feel, the horrible feeling you feel when you think about it, you have to multiply it by infinity to start getting a glimpse of how it must really feel.”
On Thursday, two newspapers had to pay substantial damages to seven friends of the McCanns who were on holiday at the time Madeleine went missing. Kennedy cannot comprehend how people could even think that the couple were somehow culpable, or how difficult it must have been to live their nightmare in public. “To lose your child and then be blamed?” he said. “It is ludicrous and horrible the things the press were saying.”
Is he optimistic that there will be a positive resolution? “I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic,” he said. “I am realistic. We are just getting on doing what can be done and who knows how it will turn out. It is a very big part of my life. There are a lot of people helping by putting in a lot of time. But as I have said, it is not about me, them, Kate or Gerry. It is about a poor little kid who might be out there needing to be found. So therefore we need to move mountains to find her.”
Volgens mij is hier nu meer over gepost dan de laatste paar sightings..... Het is wel duidelijk waar het om gaat onderhand, BINGO!quote:McCann holiday pals win E500,000 in libel damages Irish Sun - Europe 15:48 17-Oct-08
'Tapas Seven' win libel damages from papers National Post - Today's Paper 10:01 17-Oct-08
McCann friends win case against tabloids IOL - World 08:33 17-Oct-08
Friends of missing girl’s parents win libel claim Dawn - International 03:09 17-Oct-08
Group wins libel payout in McCann case TVNZ 00:12 17-Oct-08
£375,000 damages for Tapas Seven Guardian Unlimited - UK News 00:12 17-Oct-08
McCann friends win damages The Mercury - World 22:24 16-Oct-08
‘Tapas Seven’ win damages Gulf Times - Home 21:57 16-Oct-08
Tabloids pay out over McCann accusation Stuff.co.nz - World News 21:33 16-Oct-08
McCann 'Tapas 7' win almost $990k damages Perth Now - Breaking News 20:23 16-Oct-08
'Tapas Seven' win payout and apology Your Local Guardian - Kingston 18:10 16-Oct-08
Newspapers pay 375,000 pounds in Madeleine McCann libel damages RIA Novosti 14:46 16-Oct-08
Kate and Gerry McCann's friends win £375,000 libel damages Belfast Telegraph - News 14:13 16-Oct-08
"Tapas 7" win libel payout from papers Reuters UK - Home 12:59 16-Oct-08
'Tapas Seven' accept damages in Madeleine McCann case Telegraph.co.uk - News 12:31 16-Oct-08
Acquaintances of Madeleine McCann accept damages from British papers 5 hours ago National Post - Ottawa Citizen 12:29 16-Oct-08
Newspaper damages for Madeleine McCann coverage International Herald Tribune - Europe 12:26 16-Oct-08
Acquaintances of Madeleine McCann accept damages from British papers canada.com 12:16 16-Oct-08
McCann case 'Tapas Seven' accept damages from papers Yahoo! US - Europe 12:13 16-Oct-08
McCann 'Tapas Seven' friends win £375,000 in damages The Scotsman - News 11:59 16-Oct-08
McCanns: Express apology to tapas seven The Guardian 11:26 16-Oct-08
McCann friends awarded libel damages The Irish Times - News 11:13 16-Oct-08
'Tapas Seven' granted libel damages over McCann allegations The Earth Times 11:13 16-Oct-08
'Tapas Seven' accept £375,000 libel damages from Express Newspapers Sunday Mirror 11:08 16-Oct-08
Madeleine McCann: Daily Express and Daily Star print apologies to 'tapas seven' Guardian Unlimited - Media 09:57 16-Oct-08
Express group to pay McCann friends damages - The Times Inner Temple Library 09:21 16-Oct-08
McCann friends receive damages BBCi - England 07:41 16-Oct-08
Libel payout for McCann friends BBC - News Front Page 07:40 16-Oct-08
Madeleine McCann: Express pays out to 'tapas seven' Press Gazette - National Newspapers 07:26 16-Oct-08
Madeleine McCann Daily Express publishes apology to 'Tapas Seven' Telegraph.co.uk - News 06:58 16-Oct-08
Express group to pay McCann damages The Times - News 21:43 15-Oct-08
McCann friends to receive £400,000 in damages Telegraph.co.uk - UK 19:55 15-Oct-08
Roy Greenslade: Express Newspapers to apologise again for Madeleine coverage Guardian Unlimited 17:34 15-Oct-08
Tapas 7's '£375k damages' for Maddie reports Metro.co.uk 17:31 15-Oct-08
Another Express libel payout in Madeleine McCann case Press Gazette 17:26 15-Oct-08
McCann friends win 'substantial' libel payout The Independent - News 17:15 15-Oct-08
Madeleine McCann: Express Newspapers to pay £375,000 libel damages to 'tapas seven'
Hoooi Kahaarin.quote:Op zaterdag 18 oktober 2008 17:19 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
moet je dit trouwens eens zien:
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Volgens mij is hier nu meer over gepost dan de laatste paar sightings..... Het is wel duidelijk waar het om gaat onderhand, BINGO!
Ja inderdaad waar hebben we hem, geldschieterd Brian Kennedy, eerder gehoord, interessant en zeer juist commentaar op dat artikel: "Why didnt you ask him why he was personally visiting key witnesses in the McCann mystery? That would have been interesting." Charlotte, Richmond, NorthYorkshire, UKquote:Op zaterdag 18 oktober 2008 17:14 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Inderdaad, giften kunnen van de belasting afgetrokken worden tot op zekere hoogte dus is het helemaal niet zo'n royaal gebaar denk ik.
Hebben we al eerder gehoord van deze man?
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In deze zaak wordt tenminste korte metten gemaakt, zie verder dit topic en hier nog meer over Caylee Marie Anthony Ik ga er verder niet op in maar het gaat er om hoe de kwestie wordt opgepakt in de UK (niet) en de US (wel).quote:A three-year-old little girl is missing. The police started an investigation. It collected traces in the boot of the mother’s car that point towards the child’s death. In the car boot, the dogs marked human cadaver odour, and hair that is similar to that of the missing girl was found. The mother was charged with homicide, abuse, neglect and perjury.
It’s difficult to escape comparisons with recent cases that happened in our country. While it’s certain that every case is different, even more so because this little girl’s name was Caylee, she was a brunette and lived in the USA, there was also the creation of a fund and of an internet site, posters were distributed and bracelets were sold. It seems that in the United States justice is working, not allowing for processes to be archived awaiting better evidence, valuing indicia that results from inconsistencies or contradictions in witness statements and/or biological residues that are found in a car boot.
I don’t know whether our jurists and other experts, who oppose canine faith and defend the archiving of processes waiting for better evidence, may have something to learn from North-American magistrates and investigators, or if it’s only an issue of nationality of the dogs. Wise words were spoken by someone over the evidence of Caylee’s death: "Speaking as a father, a day doesn't pass where I wish the evidence that we have gathered didn't add up to the painfully obvious. Sadly, I cannot change the facts surrounding the investigation."
source: Correio da Manhã, 18.10.2008 by Astro on Joana Morais
Spot the difference articles here
Fijn dat je meelurkt maar commentaar leveren zonder input van jou vind ik een beetje makkelijk, als je wil meepraten graag, je mening geven en onderbouwde kritiek is ook meer dan welkom maar hier heeft niemand wat aan. Als jij denkt dat we het niet snappen en onvolledig quoten zou ik graag zien dat je ons aanvult en uitlegd wat je bedoelt.quote:Op zaterdag 18 oktober 2008 18:27 schreef parapono het volgende:
hai ik lurk al een tijdje mee zoals jullie dat noemen maar nu wordt het me toch te dol. Ofwel je geeft geen samenvatting van engelse teksten of je doet het volledig. Maar hapsnap wat eruit pikken en de hele politieke lijn weglaten (thnx Spudgun) gaat echt
te ver. Wel makkelijk, je gebruikt alleen die info die je snapt. Up to you. Maar in je zelfgekozen rol in dit topic past dat niet, en doe je de werkelijkheid geweld aan. Zonde. Maar oordelen weer wel, occams razor. Zonde van al jullie werk meiden, maar dit kan echt beter. Mvg parapono
Dat artiklel over de FBI is (nog) niet online, wel een screenshotje:quote:SUNDAY EXPRESS (front page): “FBI psychics turn up new Maddie suspect”
The Express is censured, twice. And thus it become the official Our Maddie paper… Is this front page part of the libel settlement? Is the Express now in the McCann camp? It;s tried beating them, so why not join them?
Before the sensation, the apology for the sensation…
In articles published on 16 September and 2 December 2007 we suggested that Russell O’Brien and Jane Tanner, the holiday companions of Kate and Gerry McCann, might be named as official suspects by the Portuguese police investigating Madeleine’s disappearance and that Dr O’Brien might have helped to cover up the true facts.
Might. Might. Such are the facts…
We now accept that these suggestions should never have been made and were completely untrue.
Fact. Now read on…
Kate and Gerry McCann are reviewing their strategy as no major breakthrough has emerged in the hunt for Madeleine…
B-b-but the FBI psychics. We heard a rumour in a newspaper that…
Heart specialist Mr McCann said in his blog report last week: “Kate and I have been incredibly busy over the last couple of months since the files were made public.”
Facts. And that’s Dr Kate, to you…
Millionaire businessman Brian Kennedy, their financial backer, is seeking a former high-ranking police detective to mastermind the private investigation.
Yes, we know. Anorak reported on that weeks ago. But the FBI. The psychics. Come in Maddy…
Speculation. Magick. And a missing child…
Ohw, ze hebben geen haast: "Brian Kennedy, their financial backer, is seeking a former high-ranking police detective to mastermind the private investigation. He has interviewed several candidates and will see more in the coming weeks." Pfff, gelukkig maar, geen zorgen voor de dag van morgen, Madeleine wacht wel weer een tijdje....quote:Hunt for detective to head Maddy probe Sunday Express
By Brendan Abbott Sunday October 19, 2008
Kate and Gerry McCann are reviewing their strategy as no major breakthrough has emerged in the hunt for Madeleine. Millionaire businessman, Brian Kennedy, their financial backer, is seeking a former high-ranking police detective to mastermind the private investigation.
He has interviewed several candidates and will see more in the coming weeks. Whoever takes on the job faces the mammoth task of assessing information gathered by many private detectives since Madeleine vanished 18 months ago.
The investigator will also have to read thousands of pages of Portuguese police files released in August and painstakingly translated. The family's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the investigation was continuing in many countries as the McCanns study the files line by line.
Heart specialist Mr McCann said in his blog report last week: "Kate and I have been incredibly busy over the last couple of months since the files were made public.
"We and our family have always vowed to leave no stone unturned in the search for our daughter and knowing exactly what has been done and, more importantly, what has not been done is vital in planning our future strategy."
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