[F1] Nieuwtjes #36: FIA = Ferrari International Assistance

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Op maandag 15 september 2008 20:59 schreef wimderon het volgende:
Ik vraag me toch ook af waarom iedereen zo hunkert naar de beperkingen wat betreft aerodynamica die het inhalen bemoeilijkt. Dan krijg je 9 van de 10 keer dat de sterkste gewoon wint omdat die zo door het veld heen kan gaan.

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Op maandag 15 september 2008 21:00 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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1 race maakt nog geen seizoen ^^ Alleen door de regen van afgelopen race is er veel ingehaald maar verder vind ik het vies tegenvallen.

Lees anders eens terug in de topics hoe vaak mensen hebben geroepen hoe saai de race wel niet was.

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Op maandag 15 september 2008 17:41 schreef Ared het volgende:

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Volgens mij heb ik dankzij de nieuwe regels meer inhaalacties gezien. Je gaat iemand voorbij, maar remt jezelf uit, moet die ander er voorbij laten en een ronde later doe je het nog eens. Vroeger: één inhaalactie, nu twee...

en tijdens de race zaten 'n vriend van me en ik ook al te lachen over de "Curva Grande"... telt het nou als een bocht of niet? Krijgen we straks weer een nieuwe regel dat als je niet hoeft te remmen voor een bocht dat 'ie niet meetelt!

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Op maandag 15 september 2008 21:14 schreef HPoi het volgende:

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Lijkt mij als er een bochtnummer voor is dan is het een bocht..........

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Op maandag 15 september 2008 20:35 schreef kepler het volgende:

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waarom zou iemand die wil inhalen sneller gestraft moeten worden dan diegene die ingehaald wordt?

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Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 12:13 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:
Zullen we de wagens anders op rails zetten met een schakelkast voor de wissels bij race control?

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Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 12:13 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:
Zullen we de wagens anders op rails zetten met een schakelkast voor de wissels bij race control?

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Op maandag 15 september 2008 21:11 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:

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De sterkste moet toch ook winnen, dat is de hele bedoeling van de race?

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Teams seek to equal engine performance

Behind-the-scenes efforts by teams to make Formula One engine performance more equal are set to be ramped up in the wake of Scuderia Toro Rosso's shock victory in the Italian Grand Prix, autosport.com has learned.

Sebastian Vettel caused a major surprise when he became F1's youngest ever winner at Monza, with a performance that highlighted the differences between his Ferrari-powered STR3 and the Renault-powered car of sister team Red Bull Racing.

The result has provided further evidence to those who believe that there is now a genuine performance gap between different engines on the grid. A number of manufacturers - especially Renault – have already spoken out in claiming that they have lost out by not developing their power-unit under F1's current engine freeze.

Although making improvements to the engines is not allowed, manufacturers can change parts as the FIA's discretion if it reduces costs or improves reliability. Such revisions can also have the added benefit of lifting performance. Further steps forward can be made from improved fuel and lubricants, and the airbox and exhaust design.

Sources have told autosport.com that a number of teams are so unhappy with the situation – which could leave them down on power until 2013 if the rules do not change – that they are now lobbying the FIA behind the scenes to try and level the playing field for next year.

"We just want to make things more equal between all the engines on the grid – as they were when the freeze first came in," said one source. "A number of teams share our feelings, and discussions are taking place with the FIA about resolving the situation."

It is understood that Fernando Alonso's decision about whether or not to stay at Renault next year will be influenced by if the French car manufacturer can address the engine situation to improve their performance.

Renault boss Flavio Briatore told Spanish newspaper AS at the weekend that the improvements made by Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz and BMW was being discussed by teams.

"We have discussed with the other teams to find a solution," he said. "The mechanical side was frozen and three teams took advantage of their reliability problems to move forward. I have met with Max Mosley a few times and by the end of the season all this might be solved."

Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner said he was fully behind moves to equalize the engines – claiming that it was inconceivable for the situation to continue unchanged with some manufacturers enjoying what could be as much as a 30bhp advantage.

"Renault give us a very good service," Horner told autosport.com. "Last year we had a competitive engine and this year others appear to be ahead of us from our analysis. And obviously there is no bigger example than between the two Red Bull teams, so for us it is very important that Renault address it in the appropriate way.

"I know that they understand where the issues are. The problem is they took the ruling of the freeze absolutely literally, and others took advantage more than they did. And Renault have paid the penalty for that.

"The problem is, being stuck with that for five years is an untenable position for Renault or any other team that has that kind of disadvantage."

Horner said that idea of an equality was not to free up development, as that would simply drive up costs, but just in ensuring that differences in engines were minimized.

"The FIA has all the information," he said. "At the end of the day we need to keep costs down. We don't need an engine formula to completely open up, but there should be a parity as much as possible among the engine suppliers – otherwise we will all end up with one engine at the end of the day."

Horner felt the Monza result said more about the engine performance of the two Red Bull teams than their overall capabilities of the respective outfits.

When asked if he felt Toro Rosso's win increased the pressure on Red Bull Racing to lift their game, Horner said: " It is a Red Bull win. We can see that Sebastian is a complete star of the future.

"As teams we share information openly and have done for two and a half years now and the only difference in the package is the drivers and the engine."

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Dennis: Ferrari relations better than ever

McLaren boss Ron Dennis says relations between his team and Ferrari are better than they have ever been in history - despite the recent Belgian Grand Prix controversy.

One year on from the peak of the 2007 spy affair, and just a few days after Lewis Hamilton was stripped of victory in Belgium for cutting a chicane in his fight with Kimi Raikkonen for the lead, Dennis insists that his dealings with Ferrari could not be better.

He claims that such a feeling came home to him on the eve of last weekend's Italian Grand Prix at Monza when he met with Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo during a team principal's meeting.

"The events of 2007 are behind us; the matter has now been closed by both the FIA and Ferrari," said Dennis in an interview with Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera.

"On the Thursday before the Italian Grand Prix, when I met Luca di Montezemolo, I smiled at the thought that he'd entered Formula One with Ferrari in 1973, while I've been involved since 1966, even if we had different types of jobs from each other in the old days.

"And now, 30 or 40 years on, we share the same passion. On track, our rivalry will always be intense - but co-operation between our two teams is now more well-established than at any time in the past."

He added: "Luca is an old friend. Granted, inevitably, our relationship has had its ups and downs as a result of the competitiveness of our respective organisations, but there's a deep and mutual respect between us.

"I also have a soft spot for Stefano Domenicali [Ferrari team principal]; he's worked his way up from the bottom to the top, and I like that: it adds incalculable added value. Stefano will do a great job, you'll see."

There had been some rumours that the Spa affair, and the fact that Ferrari and McLaren so differed in their opinions on the incident, could have an impact on the relationship between the two teams – especially because di Montezemolo is heading the new Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA).

But Dennis has rubbished any such idea, stating that what happens on track should be treated totally separate from relations off it.

"Political considerations should be, indeed must be, separate from sporting ones," he said.

"I'm FOTA's number one supporter: FOTA will represent the teams; it will set the rules, working with the FIA; it will establish commercial criteria. FOTA is very important to the future of Formula One, and I want to be part of that future.

"There will always be discussions and arguments in Formula One, but what we're doing with FOTA is focused on thinking and working together for the good of our sport."

And such have relations between McLaren and Ferrari moved on that Dennis is even planning a dinner with di Montezemolo later this year.

"Soon, very soon - maybe in Brazil, or post-season somewhere," he said when asked if it will happen. "Win or lose, we'll have a nice dinner together."

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Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 19:58 schreef HPoi het volgende:
Ik zeg: Fuck the Engine Freeze.

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Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 20:13 schreef sanger het volgende:

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Ik ben er geen voorstander van, maar Renault is wel huillie. Ze hebbenn een slechte motor afgeleverd in Vichy. That's it. Ferrari, BMW en McLaren hebben hun huiswerk beter gedaan en hebben daar profijt van.

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Op dinsdag 16 september 2008 21:11 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:
Niet alles ligt aan de motor.

Het is allemaal neit zo simpel als zeggen "ow ... die wagen loopt harder op de rechte stukken of langs de speed trap DUS hun motor is sterker".

Een combinatie van chassis, ophanging, aerodynamisch pakket en gearbox + gearbox-settings geven een hogere topsnelheid.

Je hebt zo bijvoorbeeld dus een goede kans dat de Honda motor net zo sterk is als het Mercedes blok (bij wijze van spreken) maar omdat de Honda aero zo slecht is komen ze gewoonweg niet door de lucht heen.