abonnement Unibet Coolblue Bitvavo
pi_61311254
Op 4 November vinden de Amerikaanse Presidentsverkiezingen plaats.

De kandidaten:

Republikeinen:

Presidentskandidaat: John McCain.
Vice-Presidentskandidaat: Sarah Palin.
Officiële Website: http://www.johnmccain.com

Democraten:

Presidentskandidaat: Barack Obama.
Vice-Presidentskandidaat: Joe Biden.
Officiële Website: http://www.barackobama.com

Zie het laatste deeltje.
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 00:44:58 #2
207353 Wheelgunner
Met de Noorderzon...
pi_61311280
Ik doe ook weer mee.
pi_61311288
quote:
quote:
Op maandag 1 september 2008 23:48 schreef Wheelgunner het volgende:

[..]

Ook jij hebt het leuk over de keuzevrijheid van de vrouw, maar je gaat compleet voorbij aan de eventuele rechten van het ongeboren kind.

Mogelijk is uit de eerdere vega discussie al gebleken dat ik bovengemiddeld gevoelig ben voor recht op leven, maar daar kan ik ook wel rationeel over zijn hoor, en ook bij abortus denk ik dat het rationeel is om in ieder geval eventuele rechten van het ongeboren kind in beschouwing te nemen.
Ik ga er niet aan voorbij.
Ik vind alleen dat een vrouw al dan niet in samenspraak met de vader hier een beslissing in moet nemen en dat het niet aan de overheid is om al een standpunt in te nemen ten gunste van ouder of ongeboren kind. Vader en moeder zijn prima in staat om zelf de rechten van het ongeboren kind mee te wegen in hun beslissing. Daar hebben ze geen dwang bij nodig richting een bepaalde voorkeur.
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 00:52:56 #4
207353 Wheelgunner
Met de Noorderzon...
pi_61311385
Ik had het gelezen ja, ik begrijp je standpunt. Ik wilde alleen even zeker weten dat je de andere mening niet te gemakkelijk afdeed als inconsequent
pi_61311628
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 00:44 schreef Wheelgunner het volgende:
Ik doe ook weer mee.
Nog even over dat grondig doorpluisen, ja, ook al staat het in een ander topic:
quote:
We had heard hints of this. But just moments ago, Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC said that Republican lawyers are currently doing a vet of Sarah Palin up in Alaska. We'll get you the video shortly. But it seems that the really deep vet of Palin started after her selection was announced.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/212167.php

What a mess... Alles. Dit, die orkaan, de corruptie- en verspillingszaken, even een ongehuwde tienermoeder erbij, Laura Bush en Cindy McCain die voor een haast lege zaal staan...
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 01:17:09 #6
207353 Wheelgunner
Met de Noorderzon...
pi_61311674
Interesting...
pi_61312076
#33! Recount!
pi_61312122
Is deze al voorbij gekomen:

Toegegeven, hij is een beetje oud. Maar ai ai, wel enorm hilarisch.
pi_61312527
tvp
Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
pi_61312557
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 02:18 schreef Toad het volgende:
Is deze al voorbij gekomen:

Toegegeven, hij is een beetje oud. Maar ai ai, wel enorm hilarisch.
Alleen jammer dat ze dacht dat McCain pro choice was.

pi_61312603
Wat een kontgedraai.



So much for geen feest terwijl het elders stormt.
pi_61312734
quote:
On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, "I'm a fuckin' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some shit and just fuckin' chillin' I guess."

"Ya fuckin with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids.
http://www.nypost.com/sev(...)ughter_is_127025.htm

tijd voor een bezoek aan Jerry Springer die hele familie.

wat een drama.

verder zal het lid zijn van en het toespreken van die Alaskan Independence Party nog wel een staartje krijgen.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/(...)members-of-frin.html

en dan zijn er nog een handvol andere gates.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 06:24:29 #13
21290 NorthernStar
Insurgent
pi_61312768
pi_61313165
ZO nou de problemen zijn voorbij, Bush kan ook op de GOP conventie gaan praten over zijn ellende
pi_61313276


[ Bericht 99% gewijzigd door Caesu op 02-09-2008 08:36:21 (weg) ]
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 08:33:52 #16
10864 maartena
Needs more cowbell.
pi_61313553
Waren we niet aan #33 toe?

Morgen maar eens zien wat de Republikeinse conventie brengt.
Proud to be American. Hier woon ik.
"Beer is proof that God loves us" - Benjamin Franklin.
-
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin
pi_61313849
quote:
One Republican strategist with close ties to the campaign described the candidate's closest supporters as "keeping their fingers crossed" in hopes that additional information does not force McCain to revisit the decision. According to this Republican, who would discuss internal campaign strategizing only on condition of anonymity, the McCain team used little more than a Google Internet search as part of a rushed effort to review Palin's potential pitfalls. Just over a week ago, Palin was not on McCain's short list of potential running mates, the Republican said.
bron

McCain / Palin '08 — Alaska First
pi_61313850
Ik ben benieuwd wat er nog meer bekend gaat worden over Palin.
lollig
pi_61314767
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 06:14 schreef Caesu het volgende:

[..]

http://www.nypost.com/sev(...)ughter_is_127025.htm

tijd voor een bezoek aan Jerry Springer die hele familie.

wat een drama.

verder zal het lid zijn van en het toespreken van die Alaskan Independence Party nog wel een staartje krijgen.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/(...)members-of-frin.html

en dan zijn er nog een handvol andere gates.
Prachtig dit verhaal !

Palin's dochter, iemand uit een typisch net Republikeins gezin, wordt bezwangerd door een redneck die geen kinderen wil .
pi_61314817
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 04:13 schreef Fokski het volgende:

[..]

Alleen jammer dat ze dacht dat McCain pro choice was.


.

Dat filmpje was echt te dom voor woorden. Alleen dat rare blije muziekje eronder.

Ik denk niet dat Palin of McCain echt concurrentie vormen voor Hillary-supporters.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 10:07:05 #22
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
pi_61314957
De verkiezing is er wel interessanter op geworden. Palin lijkt wel een celebrity met zoveel schandalen.
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
pi_61314976
de rechtse blogs zijn nog steeds vrij positief of McCain's keuze.
al wordt het wat minder.

ze schijnt een zeer goeie spreker te zijn.
misschien dat ze al roddels woensdag in haar speech in een keer aanpakt.
ik zou het knap vinden als dat haar lukt.

ze kan in ieder geval goed geheimen bewaren - ze kon haar zwangerschap 7 maanden verbergen.
en al de andere gates hebben ook met cover-ups en halve leugens te maken.
ideale vice-president voor de republikeinen dus.

nog steeds is de strategie, hoe erger ze de boel politiek de soep in laten lopen hoe beter ze door allerlei spin de boel weer om kunnen draaien.

ze houden zich nu op de achtergrond (dankzij Gustav).
en ze kunnen de tegenaanval helemaal voorbereiden en ze wachten gewoon af hoe laag links wil gaan met de familie vernederen. en dan ze daarop aanvallen.
ik probeer een beetje in het brain van McCain te kruipen.

of Palin is 'the one' voor de republikeinen zoals Obama 'the one' is voor de democraten.
dat ze helemaal fout zijn voor de tegenpartij en helemaal geweldig voor hun eigen partij.

wat betreft het land verenigen schiet het dan niet echt op.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
pi_61315146
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 10:08 schreef Caesu het volgende:
de rechtse blogs zijn nog steeds vrij positief of McCain's keuze.
al wordt het wat minder.
Dat is alleen maar goed, hoe langer McCain haar houdt hoe slechter het voor hem uitpakt. Zou de McCain-campagne inmiddels doorhebben dat Palin niet meer zo populair is op het internet?
pi_61315175
Evangelicals proberen de teen pregnancy een positieve draai mee te geven.
quote:
Evangelicals rally behind Palin after pregnancy news

ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- Key evangelical leaders rallied to Sarah Palin's support Monday amid news that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, was having a child.

"Before, they were excited about her, with the Down syndrome baby," conservative, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist said. "But now with this, they are over the moon. It reinforces the fact that this family lives its pro-life values."

Palin and John McCain oppose abortion and have supported promoting abstinence in schools, which would seem to make Bristol Palin's pregnancy an inconveniently timed development.

But she is keeping the child, a fact that could make the Alaska governor -- whose candidacy has been enthusiastically embraced by evangelicals who regard her as one of their own -- even more popular among that key GOP voting bloc. Watch more on Palin's announcement »

"Fortunately, Bristol is following her mother and father's example of choosing life in the midst of a difficult situation," Family Research Council president Tony Perkins said. "We are committed to praying for Bristol and her husband-to-be and the entire Palin family as they walk through a very private matter in the eyes of the public."

Evangelical leader Richard Land also backed Palin completely.

"This is the pro-life choice. The fact that people will criticize her for this shows the astounding extent to which the secular critics of the pro-life movement just don't get it," Land said in a statement.

"Those who criticize the Palin family don't understand that we don't see babies as a punishment but as a blessing. Barack Obama said that if one of his daughters made a mistake and got pregnant out of wedlock, he wouldn't want her to be punished with a child. Pro-lifers don't see a child as punishment."

The immediate support of these major figures, who offered universal praise for the Palins' actions after learning their daughter was pregnant, provides the filter through which conservative Christian voters will process the development.

Most important for Palin, an elder statesman of the movement, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, released a statement lauding the Palins for acting in keeping with the group's policies and practices:

"We have always encouraged the parents to love and support their children and always advised the girls to see their pregnancies through, even though there will of course be challenges along the way. That is what the Palins are doing, and they should be commended once again for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances.

"Being a Christian does not mean you're perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord. I've been the beneficiary of that forgiveness and restoration in my own life countless times, as I'm sure the Palins have," Dobson said.

Some evangelicals gathered in Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota, for the Republican convention speculated that the news would pose more of a problem for Democrats than for the GOP ticket.

Speculation by some on blogs that Palin's son Trig was actually Bristol's child had led to outrage among conservatives.

Any comment by Democrats that is viewed as remotely critical could make both Sarah and Bristol Palin appear to be sympathetic victims of a political vendetta.

By Monday afternoon, evangelical leaders were circling the wagons.

"The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a 'hypocrite,' but all it really means is that she and her family are human," Dobson said. "They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/P(...)ngelicals/index.html
lollig
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 10:23:52 #26
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
pi_61315264
quote:
"This is a time when we take off our Republican hats and put on our American hats," McCain said, repeating a line her husband used the day before.

(...)

Texas Governor Rick Perry: "You're seeing Republican governors and... uh... I think in Republican states, taking care of the citizens. That's what... That's what we do."

http://www.huffingtonpost(...)ticize_n_123040.html
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
pi_61315358
quote:
"The media are already trying to spin this as evidence Gov. Palin is a 'hypocrite,' but all it really means is that she and her family are human," Dobson said. "They are in my prayers and those of millions of Americans."
in tegenstelling tot de Obama's die niet human zijn.

in hoeverre heeft Palin nagedacht en besproken met haar familie waar ze aan wou beginnen?
nu worden haar (klein)kinderen blootgesteld aan al dit media-geweld.
ze wist vantevoren dat dit allemaal naar buiten zou komen.
al de gates waren al in de media van Alaska
family values first of haar witte huis droom die nu toch aan het duigen aan het vallen is.

maar ze zullen dit wel uitzingen tot de verkiezingen.
als ze wordt teruggetrokken moet McCain toegeven dat hij een beoordelingsfout heeft gemaakt.
als McCain alsnog wint zal hij haar wel dumpen en Lieberman als vice-president voordragen.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
pi_61315421
Joe Vogler, oprichter van de Alaskan Independence Party waarvan Palin twee jaar lid is geweest:
quote:
.. the fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my HATE for the AMERICAN GOVERENMENT, and I won't be buried under their DAMN FLAG. ...
pi_61315656
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 10:30 schreef AlanSmitheeJr het volgende:
Joe Vogler, oprichter van de Alaskan Independence Party waarvan Palin twee jaar lid is geweest:
[..]


Heeft Palin al iets gezegd over haar lidmaatschap? Michelle Obama werd door FOX News afgebrand omdat ze zogenaamd niet patriottistisch genoeg was. Ik ben benieuwd hoe zij hierover gaan berichten.
lollig
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 11:28:32 #30
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
pi_61316713
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
pi_61317016
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 10:28 schreef Caesu het volgende:

[..]

in tegenstelling tot de Obama's die niet human zijn.

in hoeverre heeft Palin nagedacht en besproken met haar familie waar ze aan wou beginnen?
nu worden haar (klein)kinderen blootgesteld aan al dit media-geweld.
Inderdaad,

Zelf net moeder geworden van een kindje met Down-syndroom (ja, laat ik er maar nog steeds vanuit gaan dat zij echt de moeder is), een tienerdochter die zoveel maanden zwanger is en dus ook nog een kleinkind op komst, maar mevrouw Palin heeft wel tijd om VP te worden.
When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.
pi_61317085
quote:
Former officials of Sen. John McCain's 2000 campaign expressed shock and disbelief Monday to learn than the GOP presidential nominee had hired South Carolina political consultant Tucker Eskew.

(...)

Eskew’s talent notwithstanding, he was loathed by McCain’s 2000 campaign team. When the media first reported push-poll phone calls from Voter/Consumer Research, a company hired by he Bush campaign, asking South Carolinians if they knew about McCain’s role in the S&L crisis and his scandal as a member of the Keating Five, it was Eskew -- Bush’s South Carolina spokesman – who acknowledged, and defended, the calls.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/(...)mccain-hires-go.html

. Lijkt op:
quote:
On "Meet the Press" yesterday, Sen. John McCain flip-flopped. There's no other way to describe his newfound respect for the Rev. Jerry Falwell, whom McCain once lumped in with Pat Robertson, Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan as an "agent of intolerance" in American politics. McCain told NBC's Tim Russert that since making those statements he has spoken to Falwell and the two "agreed to disagree on certain issues and we agreed to move forward." (You can see a clip from the interview on Video Dog.) McCain now plans to speak at Falwell's Liberty University (Go Fightin' Flames!), and when asked if he still considers the reverend an agent of intolerance, he said, "No, I don't." It was as plain as any political reversal in recent memory -- McCain might as well have jumped on a windsurfing board and insisted that he actually liked Falwell before he hated him.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/04/03/mccain/

Wat een integere man, .
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 12:06:58 #33
197060 SuikerVuist
Arm & Hammer Grammar
pi_61317589
quote:
Obama Gains Among Former Clinton Supporters

Obama gains on other dimensions, including terrorism and leadership

by Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- The Democratic convention appears to have helped solidify support for Barack Obama among former Hillary Clinton supporters, with the percent saying they will vote for Obama in November moving from 70% pre-convention to 81% after the convention, and the percent certain to vote for Obama jumping from 47% to 65%.

[...]
http://www.gallup.com/pol(...)nton-Supporters.aspx
pi_61317738
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 01:12 schreef Monidique het volgende:
What a mess...
quote:
Palin's Small Alaska Town Secured Big Federal Funds

ST. PAUL, Minn., Sept. 1 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog group

There was $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, $900,000 for sewer repairs, and $15 million for a rail project -- all intended to benefit Palin's town, Wasilla, located about 45 miles north of Anchorage.

In introducing Palin as his running mate on Friday, Sen. John McCain cast her as a compatriot in his battle against wasteful federal spending. McCain, the Republican presidential candidate, hailed Palin as a politician "with an outstanding reputation for standing up to special interests and entrenched bureaucracies -- someone who has fought against corruption and the failed policies of the past, someone who's stopped government from wasting taxpayers' money."
http://www.washingtonpost(...)48.html?hpid=topnews
quote:
It is not unusual for municipalities to hire lobbyists and seek federal help. But of 149 incorporated places in Alaska, just six of them had paid registered lobbyists in 2002, including Wasilla, lobbying records show.
http://www.usatoday.com/n(...)1-palin-bridge_N.htm
quote:
Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla — that amounts to $3,000 per resident. She argues that the debt was needed to fund improvements.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12987.html

Etcetera, etcetera. , .
pi_61317897
Goh, zonder Sarah Palin zouden de verkiezingen nog saai zijn. Ze zal vast een hoop sympathie oogsten bij notoire soap-volgers.
When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 12:23:29 #36
207353 Wheelgunner
Met de Noorderzon...
pi_61317965
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 10:30 schreef AlanSmitheeJr het volgende:
Joe Vogler, oprichter van de Alaskan Independence Party waarvan Palin twee jaar lid is geweest:
[..]


Ok, dat wil niemand horen, maar verder vinden veel Amerikanen wel dat staten het recht moeten hebben om af te scheiden. Zeker in het Zuiden nog, maar het hele land heeft natuurlijk een geschiedenis met de strijd voor onafhankelijkheid.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 12:42:45 #37
153070 Rock_de_Braziliaan
Stranger than fiction
pi_61318368
tvp\
"I think I'm in a tragedy"
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZFG5PKw504[/youtube]
"In America today profit is privatized but risk is increasingly socialized"
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 12:49:13 #38
207353 Wheelgunner
Met de Noorderzon...
pi_61318511
quote:
Ben jij nog een artikel tegengekomen over het ontbreken van een degelijke 'vetting'? Ik hoor er wel wat dingen over hier en daar, maar nog weinig concreets.

Zou in ieder geval onvergeeflijk dom zijn van de Republikeinen, dan kunnen we nog wel wat 'October-surprises' verwachten, september al.
pi_61318582
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 12:49 schreef Wheelgunner het volgende:

[..]

Ben jij nog een artikel tegengekomen over het ontbreken van een degelijke 'vetting'? Ik hoor er wel wat dingen over hier en daar, maar nog weinig concreets.
quote:
“They didn’t seriously consider her until four or five days from the time she was picked, before she was asked, maybe the Thursday or Friday before,” said a Republican close to the campaign. “This was really kind of rushed at the end, because John didn’t get what he wanted. He wanted to do Joe or Ridge.”

(...)

In Alaska, several state leaders and local officials said they knew of no efforts by the McCain campaign to find out more information about Ms. Palin before the announcement of her selection, Although campaigns are typically discreet when they make inquiries into potential running mates, officials in Alaska said Monday they thought it was peculiar that no one in the state had the slightest hint that Ms. Palin might be under consideration.

“They didn’t speak to anyone in the Legislature, they didn’t speak to anyone in the business community,” said Lyda Green, the State Senate president, who lives in Wasilla, where Ms. Palin served as mayor.

Representative Gail Phillips, a Republican and former speaker of the State House, said the widespread surprise in Alaska when Ms. Palin was named to the ticket made her wonder how intensively the McCain campaign had vetted her.

“I started calling around and asking, and I have not been able to find one person that was called,” Ms. Phillips said. “I called 30 to 40 people, political leaders, business leaders, community leaders. Not one of them had heard. Alaska is a very small community, we know people all over, but I haven’t found anybody who was asked anything.”

The current mayor of Wasilla, Dianne M. Keller, said she had not heard of any efforts to look into Ms. Palin’s background. And Randy Ruedrich, the state Republican Party chairman, said he knew nothing of any vetting that had been conducted.

State Senator Hollis French, a Democrat who is directing the ethics investigation, said that no one asked him about the allegations. “I heard not a word, not a single contact,” he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/politics/02vetting.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&ref=politics&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

Ook wat "aides" die zeggen dat het heus wel is gebeurd en: "A number of Republicans said the McCain campaign had to some degree tied its hands in its effort to keep the selection process so secret."

Maar ik weet het antwoord wel.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 12:52:12 #40
197060 SuikerVuist
Arm & Hammer Grammar
pi_61318584
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/02/vetter-defends-palin/
quote:
After Disclosures, McCain Vetter Defends Review of Palin
by Associated Press
Tuesday, September 2, 2008

ST. PAUL, Minnesota — John McCain’s running mate, Sarah Palin, has revealed that her unmarried teenage daughter is pregnant — the latest in a string of disclosures that left the U.S. Republican Party’s presidential campaign defending its choice of the little-known Alaska governor.

The lawyer who conducted the background review on Palin said she voluntarily told McCain’s campaign about her pregnant 17-year-old daughter as well as her husband’s 2-decade-old arrest for driving under the influence of alcohol.

During questioning as part of the Republican Party’s vice presidential search, the Alaska governor also detailed the dismissal of the state’s public safety commissioner that has touched off a legislative investigation, lawyer Arthur B. Culvahouse Jr. told The Associated Press in an interview Monday.

He said Palin underwent a “full and complete” background examination before McCain chose her as his running mate. Asked whether everything that came up as a possible red flag during the review already has been made public, Culvahouse said: “I think so. Yah, I think so. Correct.”

McCain’s campaign has been trying to tamp down questions about whether the Arizona senator adequately researched his surprise vice presidential selection or whether he chose the first-term governor without fully looking into her background.

Since McCain announced his choice of running mate Friday, the notion of a shoddy, rushed review has been stoked repeatedly.

First, a campaign-issued timeline said McCain initially met Palin in February, then held one phone conversation with her last week before inviting her to Arizona, where he met with her a second time and offered her the job Thursday.

Then came the campaign’s disclosure that Palin’s unmarried daughter Bristol was pregnant. The father is Levi Johnston, who has been a hockey player at Bristol’s high school, The New York Post and The New York Daily News reported in their Tuesday editions.

In addition, the campaign also disclosed that Todd Palin, then age 22, was arrested in 1986 in Alaska for driving under the influence.

Shortly after Palin was named to the Republican Party ticket, McCain’s campaign dispatched a team of a dozen communications operatives and lawyers to Alaska. That fueled speculation that a comprehensive examination of Palin’s record and past was incomplete and being done only after she was placed on the ticket.

Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser, said no matter who the nominee was, the campaign was ready to send a “jump team” to the No. 2’s home state to work with the nominee’s staff, work with the local media and help handle requests from the national media for information, and answer questions about documents that were part of the review.

At several points throughout the process, McCain’s team warned Palin that the scrutiny into her private life would be intense and that there was nothing she could do to prepare for it.

Culvahouse disclosed details of his examination in a half-hour interview with the AP.

First, a team of some 25 people working under Culvahouse culled information from public sources for Palin and other prospective candidates without their knowledge, he said. For all, news reports, speeches, financial and tax return disclosures, litigation, investigations, ethical charges, marriages and divorces were reviewed.

For Palin specifically, the team studied online archives of the state’s largest newspapers, including the Anchorage Daily News, but didn’t request paper archives for Palin’s hometown newspaper, Culvahouse said. “I made the decision that we could not get it done and maintain secrecy,” he said.

Reports, 40-some pages and single-spaced, on each candidate then were reviewed by McCain, Schmidt, campaign manager Rick Davis and top advisers Mark Salter and Charlie Black.

Among the details McCain’s campaign found: Palin had once received a citation for fishing without a license.

Palin, like others on the short list, then was sent a personal data questionnaire with 70 “very intrusive” questions, Culvahouse said. She also was asked to submit a number of years of federal and state tax returns, as well as any controversial articles she had written or interviews she had done. The campaign also checked her credit.

Then, Culvahouse said he conducted a nearly three-hour-long interview.

He said the first thing she volunteered was that her daughter was pregnant, and she also quickly disclosed her husband’s arrest two decades earlier.

The public search unearthed details of the investigation by the Republican-controlled legislature into the possibility that Palin ordered the dismissal of Alaska’s public safety commissioner because he would not fire her former brother-in-law as a state trooper.

Culvahouse said he asked follow-up questions during the interview, and “spent a lot of time with her lawyer” on the matter.

“We came out of it knowing all that we could know at the time,” he said.

As for the financial records review, Culvahouse said: “It was very clean. We had no issues there.”

Throughout the process, the campaign said, Davis had multiple conversations with Palin.
pi_61318623
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 05:00 schreef Fokski het volgende:
So much for geen feest terwijl het elders stormt.

Lijkt wel een gay-party met dat roze .

Ook lekker die lobbyisten... .
pi_61318745
quote:
LOL, hij zegt doodleuk dat McCain de juiste inzichten heeft gehad wat betreft foreign policy.... OMG.

Die gozerd wordt gewoon gedist.

Biden en Obama hebben samen genoeg ervaring en de juiste judgement.

Palin en McCain hebben samen ook genoeg ervaring maar niet de juist judgement.

Welke team zou een Amerikaan moeten kiezen?
pi_61318837
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 10:18 schreef ub40_bboy het volgende:
Evangelicals proberen de teen pregnancy een positieve draai mee te geven.
[..]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/P(...)ngelicals/index.html
"Evangelicals rally behind Palin after pregnancy news"

Evangelicals stemmen toch al Republikeins. Who cares dat ze haar supporten.
pi_61318865
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 10:30 schreef AlanSmitheeJr het volgende:
Joe Vogler, oprichter van de Alaskan Independence Party waarvan Palin twee jaar lid is geweest:
[..]


Hahaha, die Palin wordt alleen maar sappiger. Hier kunnen geen 10 dominee's Wright's tegenop .
pi_61318892
quote:
Zo, dat zijn cijfers. Was ook wel te verwachten na de goede speeches van Bill, Hillary en Obama.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 13:08:28 #46
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
pi_61318928
Bush gaat vandaag toch spreken op de conventie.
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
pi_61318950
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:08 schreef Montov het volgende:
Bush gaat vandaag toch spreken op de conventie.
Gelukkig maar.
pi_61318967
quote:
Separated At Birth
Filed under: Separated At Birth > Lynne Spears > Sarah Palin



Left: Lynne Spears. Right: Republican John McCain's Vice Presidential pick Sarah Palin.

Wat lijken die moeder Spears en Palin toch op elkaar .
pi_61319048
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:08 schreef Montov het volgende:
Bush gaat vandaag toch spreken op de conventie.
Dat gaat genieten worden .
pi_61319407
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:04 schreef pberends het volgende:

[..]

"Evangelicals rally behind Palin after pregnancy news"

Evangelicals stemmen toch al Republikeins. Who cares dat ze haar supporten.
Jaja maar die evangelicals zeggen dat mensen geen seks voor het huwelijk mogen hebben. En nu heeft de dochter van Palin wel seks voor het huwelijk gehad en dat proberen zij nu neer te zetten als iets positiefs. Erg hypocriet allemaal.
lollig
pi_61319558
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:33 schreef ub40_bboy het volgende:

[..]

Jaja maar die evangelicals zeggen dat mensen geen seks voor het huwelijk mogen hebben. En nu heeft de dochter van Palin wel seks voor het huwelijk gehad en dat proberen zij nu neer te zetten als iets positiefs. Erg hypocriet allemaal.
Ohhhhhhh, gaan sommige evangelicals nu ook al geen McCain stemmen? . Het wordt er allemaal niet beter op voor McCain.
pi_61319600
Baas NOS haalt uit naar Obama 08

Terechte kritiek van Laroes en Spruyt. Ik heb zelden zulke schaamteloze partijdige domme tv gezien .

Obama kennen we onderhand wel. McCain is veel interessanter, zeker omdat hij vaak domme fouten maakt.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 13:47:36 #54
207353 Wheelgunner
Met de Noorderzon...
pi_61319713
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:33 schreef ub40_bboy het volgende:

[..]

Jaja maar die evangelicals zeggen dat mensen geen seks voor het huwelijk mogen hebben. En nu heeft de dochter van Palin wel seks voor het huwelijk gehad en dat proberen zij nu neer te zetten als iets positiefs. Erg hypocriet allemaal.
Iedereen maakt fouten, en conservatieve Christenen ook.
pi_61320257
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:47 schreef Wheelgunner het volgende:

[..]

Iedereen maakt fouten, en conservatieve Christenen ook.
Zie de inval van Irak door Bush.
  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 14:15:58 #56
159335 Boze_Appel
Vrij Fruit
pi_61320439

McCain 8 eeuwen geleden.
Carpe Libertatem
pi_61320712
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:47 schreef Wheelgunner het volgende:

[..]

Iedereen maakt fouten, en conservatieve Christenen ook.
Do as I preach, not as I do.
When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.
pi_61320721
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 14:07 schreef pberends het volgende:

[..]

Zie de inval van Irak door Bush.
Het is maar vanuit welk oogpunt je het bekijkt. De oorlogsindustrie draait biljoenen en andere aandelen doen het ook niet slecht.
lollig
pi_61321520
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 14:29 schreef ub40_bboy het volgende:

[..]

Het is maar vanuit welk oogpunt je het bekijkt. De oorlogsindustrie draait biljoenen en andere aandelen doen het ook niet slecht.
De vraag is - wat is de werkelijk economische waarde van de verhoogde uitgaven aan defensie.

0,0. Of beter nog: dik in de min. Want het ging zwaar ten koste van investeringen in onderwijs, infrastructuur en alternatieve energie.
pi_61322715
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:33 schreef ub40_bboy het volgende:

[..]

Jaja maar die evangelicals zeggen dat mensen geen seks voor het huwelijk mogen hebben. En nu heeft de dochter van Palin wel seks voor het huwelijk gehad en dat proberen zij nu neer te zetten als iets positiefs. Erg hypocriet allemaal.
Kan dat die conservatieve republikeinen nou schelen, dat de dochter van Senator Palin er op los neukt, zwanger is geworden en moet trouwen, of dat haar moeder een lekker wijf is dat vroeger aan missverkiezingen meedeed, als die ouwe McCain een hartaanval krijgt, dan hebben ze tenminste een lekkere geile vrouwelijke President Paal in

[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door henkway op 02-09-2008 16:15:00 ]
pi_61323279
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 15:55 schreef henkway het volgende:
dan hebben ze tenminste een lekkere geile vrouwelijke president
catfight met Angela Merkel

When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.
pi_61323605
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 13:42 schreef pberends het volgende:
Baas NOS haalt uit naar Obama 08

Terechte kritiek van Laroes en Spruyt. Ik heb zelden zulke schaamteloze partijdige domme tv gezien .

Obama kennen we onderhand wel. McCain is veel interessanter, zeker omdat hij vaak domme fouten maakt.
Die lummels van Laroes en Spruyt moeten beseffen dat het helemaal niet de bedoeling was om geen partijdige tv te maken. Ja, ze zijn partijdig, SO FUCKING WHAT? Wat mij het meest irriteert zijn zogenaamde "onpartijdige" prutsers waarvan je gewoon weet dat in het kopje toch een duidelijke voorkeur leeft. Zeg gewoon wat je denkt!

N.B. Dat ze schaamteloze en domme tv maken is wellicht wat minder maar ook dat heeft zijn charme.
pi_61323620
weer een leugen van Palin.
gister werd gezegd dat Bristol en Levi gaan trouwen.
maar ze zijn al getrouwd.

blog in Alaska.
http://mudflats.wordpress.com
daar meldden ze zaterdag al dat Bristol zwanger is nu (en niet de moeder van Trig).
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
pi_61323713
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 14:29 schreef ub40_bboy het volgende:

[..]

Het is maar vanuit welk oogpunt je het bekijkt. De oorlogsindustrie draait biljoenen en andere aandelen doen het ook niet slecht.
De aandelen op Wallstreet tegen de dollarkoers NU staan op 11.700, op basis van de Euro is wallstreet zeer fors gedaald

Waardeer US aandelen koersen genoteerd in dollars eens tegen de euro twee jaar terug en nu tegen de euro
pi_61324336
Good intentions and tender feelings may do credit to those who possess them, but they often lead to ineffective — or positively destructive — policies ... Kevin D. Williamson
pi_61324568
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 15:55 schreef henkway het volgende:

[..]

Kan dat die conservatieve republikeinen nou schelen, dat de dochter van Senator Palin er op los neukt, zwanger is geworden en moet trouwen, of dat haar moeder een lekker wijf is dat vroeger aan missverkiezingen meedeed, als die ouwe McCain een hartaanval krijgt, dan hebben ze tenminste een lekkere geile vrouwelijke President Paal in


Lekkere geile? Lelijk is ze niet, maar echt geil is ze zeker ook niet.

Ze kan zich zeker niet meten met die slet uit Oekraine:
Yulia Tymoshenko
pi_61325522
Het McCain kamp gaat onhandig doen met de media.
quote:
McCain Turns Sour on His Onetime Media `Base' as Election Nears
Heidi Przybyla


Sept. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The longtime love affair between John McCain and what he once called his ``base'' -- the national news media -- is on the rocks.

McCain's campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, yesterday lashed out at what he deemed ``offensive'' and ``demeaning'' coverage and questions from reporters after McCain's running mate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, confirmed her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.

``It used to be that a lot of those smears and the crap on the Internet stayed out of the newsrooms of serious journalists,'' Schmidt said at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota.


Schmidt's criticism is the latest example in the unraveling of what was once a fond relationship between the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and the media. Starting in the 2000 Republican primaries, the Arizona senator became a media sensation by chatting up the press in the back of his ``Straight Talk Express'' campaign bus. The national press corps freely mingled with McCain for hours on the bus, with no topic off limits.

More recently, though, McCain, 72, has accused news organizations such as the New York Times, Time magazine and the NBC network of being unfair to him. The campaign even considered pulling out of one of the three presidential debates because it would be moderated by Tom Brokaw, a former NBC News anchorman.

``McCain's both been close to and now, to some extent, the object of media scrutiny that he's never had before,'' said Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican.

In one way, the more strained relationship may be an asset for McCain by broadening his appeal to conservative Republicans who believe the media has a liberal bias.

``There are a lot of people who don't like the press anymore and think they're out of control; attacking the messenger isn't a terrible political strategy,'' said Darrell West, a scholar at the Brookings Institution in Washington who has written several books on the mass media.

Yet, it may also have pitfalls. ``You still need the press to get your message out and if you have an antagonistic relationship it can blow up in your face,'' West said.

As the relationship has deteriorated, McCain has stopped hosting his once-famous ``straight talk'' get-togethers on his campaign plane. He also has abandoned regular press conferences.

Instead, he stops occasionally to read short written statements in front of cameras, like he did Aug. 31 in Jackson, Mississippi; then walks away from questions shouted by reporters.

His campaign plane is custom configured with a lounge area designed for hosting question-and-answer sessions with the press. McCain inaugurated the lounge on one of the plane's first flights and hasn't used it since.


Invitations for the press to visit the Straight Talk Express also have grown scarce. Local reporters are allowed the occasional visit, though journalists traveling with McCain no longer are invited to drop in. He hasn't held a news conference since Aug. 13.

Some of the campaign's new approach may coincide with the bigger role taken by Schmidt, who was close to Karl Rove, a former campaign manager and White House aide to President George W. Bush, known for keeping a tight grip on press access to his boss.


There have also been a series of public rifts between the campaign and the media. On July 31, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis sparred with MSNBC anchor Andrea Mitchell in an exchange about a McCain campaign ad portraying Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as a celebrity.

``I'm happy to talk about more substantive issues the next time I come on your program,'' Davis said, capping the testy interview.

On July 22, the McCain camp assailed the media in an Internet advertisement and an e-mail to supporters.

``It's pretty obvious the media has a bizarre fascination with Barack Obama, some may even say it's a love affair,'' McCain's campaign said in the e-mail. ``The media is in love with Barack Obama. If it wasn't so serious, it would be funny.''

On Aug. 17, Davis sent a letter to NBC News President Steve Capus saying the network was ``abandoning non-partisan coverage of the presidential race.'' Davis said New York-based NBC had made ``unsubstantiated, partisan claims'' designed ``to undercut John McCain.''

Capus said he spoke with the McCain campaign after he received the letter and ``there is no issue in terms of a broader problem.'' NBC is owned by Fairfield, Connecticut-based General Electric Co.

McCain also took a combative stance in an Aug. 27 interview with Time reporters James Carney and Michael Scherer, refusing to answer a question about his definition of honor.

``Read it in my books,'' McCain said. ``I'm not going to define it.'' That exchange set the tone for the rest of the interview: McCain answered a question about his opinion on premarital sex by saying, ``I don't have any response to that type of question.''

He added, ``Write what you want.''
When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.
pi_61326134
Obama reageert over executive experience
quote:
COOPER: And, Senator Obama, my final question -- your -- some of your Republican critics have said you don't have the experience to handle a situation like this. They in fact have said that Governor Palin has more executive experience, as mayor of a small town and as governor of a big state of Alaska.

What's your response?

OBAMA: Well, you know, my understanding is, is that Governor Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We have got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year.
You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month.
Reactie van woordvoerder McCain
quote:
“For Barack Obama to argue that he’s experienced enough to be president because he’s running for president is desperate circular logic and it’s laughable. It is a testament to Barack Obama’s inexperience and failing qualifications that he would stoop to passing off his candidacy as comparable to Governor Sarah Palin’s executive experience managing a budget of over 10 billion dollar dollars, and more than 24,000 employees.” —Tucker Bounds, spokesman John McCain 2008


[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Majar op 02-09-2008 18:40:49 ]
pi_61326171
quote:
The Alaska state senator running an investigation of Gov. Palin says the McCain campaign is using stall tactics to prevent him from releasing his final report by Oct. 31, four days before the November election.


"It's likely to be damaging to the Governor," said Senator Hollis French, a Democrat, appointed the project manager for a bi-partisan State Senate Legislative Counsel Committee investigation of claims that Palin abused her office to get the Alaska public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, fired.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5702697&page=1
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
pi_61326331
quote:
handig. Zo wek je alleen maar meer argwaan.
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 18:44:12 #71
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
pi_61326661
Het houdt maar niet op:
quote:
Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. "She asked the library how she could go about banning books," he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. "The librarian was aghast." The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn't be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving "full support" to the mayor.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
pi_61326941
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 18:44 schreef Montov het volgende:
Het houdt maar niet op:
[..]


'Ze' gaan volledig los op Palin lijkt het.
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
pi_61327426
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 18:44 schreef Montov het volgende:
Het houdt maar niet op:
[..]


Wat een gefrustreerd wijf joh, dan is Hillary nog een schatje vergeleken met haar .
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 19:18:08 #74
197060 SuikerVuist
Arm & Hammer Grammar
pi_61327602
September 2, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama Hits 50% for First Time
Leads McCain by eight percentage points, 50% to 42%

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 30 through Sept. 1, finds Barack Obama leading the race for president with his highest share of support to date. Fully half of national registered voters now favor Obama for president, while 42% back John McCain.



[...]

http://www.gallup.com/pol(...)s-50-First-Time.aspx
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 19:21:26 #75
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
pi_61327716
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=638242&z=1220371741018

11% kans op het terugtrekken van Palin volgens Intrade.

Obama is volgens de twee dagelijkse peilingen nu ook boven de 50% gekomen, btw.
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
pi_61327833
quote:
Biblical scholars in Colorado Springs have uncovered startling evidence that Senator John McCain may be the Antichrist. Their conclusions, while highly controversial, may have a dramatic impact on the 2008 elections, since many Bible-believing Christians have already expressed doubts about McCain's fealty to Christianity.

The analysis was conducted by the respected True Bible Society, and it will be published next month in the End Times Journal.

The analysis was especially ironic, given that it came out just one day after McCain was accused of subtly hinting that Barack Obama could be the Antichrist. McCain ran a commercial depicting Obama as "The One," giving rise to charges that he was sending a subliminal messages to anti-Obama Christians.

"What started us looking at this issue is the fact that Senator McCain has declared his intention to maintain US forces in Iraq for a hundred years," said David Jenkins, a leading Biblical scholar. "That means that McCain wants to control Babylon for at least a century." According to many scholars of the Book of Revelation, the Antichrist will try to rebuild the ancient city of Babylon in order to use it as a springboard for an international effort at world domination. Ultimately, the Antichrist will marshal forces from Babylon to spark a showdown with Christian and Jewish-led forces in the battle of Armageddon.

"We believe that the End Times is near, based on the pattern of wars, earthquakes. and other strange phenomena we've been witnessing since the start of the New Millennium," said Jenkins. "Given that it may be imminent, the person who controls Babylon must be the Antichrist." Until 2003, many Christians believed that Saddam Hussein might be the Antichrist, since he started excavations to restore Babylon in the mid 1970s. But Hussein's death meant that the Antichrist is someone else. Since Obama wants to get out of Iraq, he can't be the Antichrist either, concluded Jenkins.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/343356

Het zou me niet eens verbazen als dit de nekslag voor McCain wordt. Wat moet 'ie hier nou op zeggen?

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Autodidact op 02-09-2008 19:33:28 ]
pi_61328188
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:25 schreef Autodidact het volgende:

[..]

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/343356

Het zou me niet eens verbazen als dit de nekslag voor McCain wordt. Wat moet 'ie hier nou op zeggen?
De republikeinen zijn creatief om zich ergens uit te lullen.

Ik zou zeggen: Nuts!
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 19:40:14 #78
197060 SuikerVuist
Arm & Hammer Grammar
pi_61328263
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:21 schreef Montov het volgende:
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=638242&z=1220371741018

11% kans op het terugtrekken van Palin volgens Intrade.

14% nu. Wanneer was de laatste keer dat een kandidaat voor het vicepresidentschap zich terugtrok?
pi_61328288
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:40 schreef SuikerVuist het volgende:

[..]

14% nu. Wanneer was de laatste keer dat een kandidaat voor het vicepresidentschap zich terugtrok?
18% vanmiddag. Ik weet het niet, maar het duidt wel op huidige onzekerheid. De laatste keer was die ene in '72?
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 19:42:48 #80
207353 Wheelgunner
Met de Noorderzon...
pi_61328322
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:18 schreef SuikerVuist het volgende:
September 2, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama Hits 50% for First Time
Leads McCain by eight percentage points, 50% to 42%

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 30 through Sept. 1, finds Barack Obama leading the race for president with his highest share of support to date. Fully half of national registered voters now favor Obama for president, while 42% back John McCain.

[ afbeelding ]

[...]

http://www.gallup.com/pol(...)s-50-First-Time.aspx
Ik zou eigenlijk voor McCain moeten zijn maar ik begin steeds meer te hopen dat Obama wint alleen al om het in het gezicht te wrijven van alle flapdrollen die al een jaar roepen dat een neger nooit president kan worden in de VS.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 19:43:41 #81
207353 Wheelgunner
Met de Noorderzon...
pi_61328353
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 14:07 schreef pberends het volgende:

[..]

Zie de inval van Irak door Bush.
Ok, sommigee conservatieve Christenen maken wat ergere en wat meer fouten dan anderen...
pi_61328480
quote:
Palin's victory was seen as a major upset. Stein has been mayor since 1987 and was seeking his fourth term. He lost by more than 200 votes, with a final tally of 616-413.
http://tpmelectioncentral(...)ts_about_wasilla.php
pi_61328542
als ze zich terugtrekt, betekent dit een beoordelingsfout van McCain.
dan maakt hij geen kans meer.
dus ik denk dat ze zich niet terugtrekt.
en ze gewoon aan de boel een positieve draai proberen te geven tot de verkiezingen.

verder zou ik haar nog steeds niet onderschatten.
ze wachten af tot hoe laag links zal gaan.
een slachtofferrol aannemen.
en dan in een toespraak keihard terugslaan.
en Obama weer aanvallen met Rev. Wright, Rezko.
onderschat de tactieken van Rove, Kristol niet.

ze schijnt een zeer goede spreker te zijn.
vooral natuurlijk voor conservatieven.
de meeste van deze schandalen zijn in alaska al aan bod gekomen, en ze is nog steeds gouverneur.
ze wist daar overeind te blijven.

morgen zou ze een toespraak geven, maar wordt waarschijnlijk doorgeschoven naar donderdag.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
pi_61329167
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:40 schreef SuikerVuist het volgende:

[..]

14% nu. Wanneer was de laatste keer dat een kandidaat voor het vicepresidentschap zich terugtrok?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w(...)cement_on_the_ticket
pi_61329386
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:49 schreef Caesu het volgende:
als ze zich terugtrekt, betekent dit een beoordelingsfout van McCain.
dan maakt hij geen kans meer.
dus ik denk dat ze zich niet terugtrekt.
en ze gewoon aan de boel een positieve draai proberen te geven tot de verkiezingen.

verder zou ik haar nog steeds niet onderschatten.
ze wachten af tot hoe laag links zal gaan.
een slachtofferrol aannemen.
en dan in een toespraak keihard terugslaan.
en Obama weer aanvallen met Rev. Wright, Rezko.
onderschat de tactieken van Rove, Kristol niet.

ze schijnt een zeer goede spreker te zijn.
vooral natuurlijk voor conservatieven.
de meeste van deze schandalen zijn in alaska al aan bod gekomen, en ze is nog steeds gouverneur.
ze wist daar overeind te blijven.

morgen zou ze een toespraak geven, maar wordt waarschijnlijk doorgeschoven naar donderdag.
Eens. Ik ben dan ook benieuwd naar haar toespraak.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 20:20:10 #86
197060 SuikerVuist
Arm & Hammer Grammar
pi_61329460
^^ Bedankt.
quote:
September 2, 2008
McCain camp battles charges Palin belonged to AIP

ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) — John McCain’s campaign accused Barack Obama’s camp of spreading allegations that GOP running mate Sarah Palin had been a member of a political party that advocates a referendum that could allow Alaska to secede from the United States.



The McCain campaign sent reporters a document which they said showed Palin had been a Republican since registering to vote in 1982, and had not been a member of the Alaska Independence Party.

They also responded to reports that Palin had attended a convention of the AIP in her hometown of Wasilla in 2000. “This would seem to be the only decent thing to do, given her responsibilities as Mayor of Wasilla,” said spokesman Tucker Bounds.

The campaign has been increasingly aggressive in responding to rumors, often issuing denials before any information is reported in mainstream media outlets. On Tuesday, the Palins released a statement revealing that daughter Bristol Palin was currently pregnant, in response to rumors that the teenager had given birth earlier this year. They also confirmed that Todd Palin, the presumptive VP nominee’s husband, had been arrested for drunken driving two decades ago.
http://politicalticker.bl(...)lin-belonged-to-aip/
pi_61329521
Maar uit de race stappen? In dit geval kun je beter doorgaan met de fouten die je hebt gemaakt, denk ik.
pi_61329597
Het verhaal dat ze lid was van Alaska Independence Party is onjuist en verzonnen. De gouverneur is eigenlijk al sinds 1982 lid van de Republikeinse partij.

http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/
pi_61329730
Als het verzonnen is, en dat weet ik nog niet (je kunt volgens mij toch wel lid zijn van de Republikeinse partij en de AKIP tegelijkertijd?), dan is het verzonnen door de Alaska Independence Party zelf: "But Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time."

En: "AIP vice chair George Clark told the small crowd that Palin "was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town –- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -– she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.""

Ik wacht nog even af, de Republikeinen en John McCain zijn nu niet echt betrouwbaar.
pi_61329823
Wij van WC-eend adviseren WC-eend.
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
pi_61329879
er is weer iets nieuws:

de kerk van Sarah Palin
quote:
Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.
quote:
The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."
http://www.huffingtonpost(...)ave-sh_n_123205.html

reden voor de nieuwszenders om Rev. Wright, 'God damn America', nog maar een keer uit te zenden.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 20:55:07 #92
197060 SuikerVuist
Arm & Hammer Grammar
pi_61330475
quote:
Obama: I Have More Executive Experience Than Palin
by FOXNews.com
Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Barack Obama contends that he is more experienced in executive matters than Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin because he has managed his presidential campaign for the past 18 months.

Speaking on a cable news channel Monday night, the Democratic presidential nominee said he is better prepared to handle a disaster like Hurricane Gustav because of his pursuit of the White House.

“Well, my understanding is that Governor Palin’s town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We’ve got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month. So I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the last couple of years,” Obama said.

John McCain’s spokesman called the suggestion “laughable.”

“For Barack Obama to argue that he’s experienced enough to be president because he’s running for president is desperate circular logic and its laughable. It is a testament to Barack Obama’s inexperience and failing qualifications that he would stoop to passing off his candidacy as comparable to Governor Sarah Palin’s executive experience managing a budget of over $10 billion and more than 24,000 employees,” said spokesman Tucker Bounds.
"Beetje dom" van Obama IMO. Maar daar zullen de Obama-fanboys het wellicht mee oneens zijn.

Met deze post ben ik het helemaal eens:

"OMG! Obama, what are you thinking?!?!? Why on earth would you compare yourself, someone who is running for PRESIDENT to your opponent’s VICE PRESIDENTIAL candidate? You moron! You just told the world two things: 1. I’m not qualified to be president, but just maybe, I’d make a marginal V.P. 2. You have no clue what’s involved in running anything if you are suggesting running a campaign requires any degree of talent compared to being a Governor of any of the 50 states. I’m sure all the senior staff members of your campaign are delighted to hear their efforts have been meaningless because of your lame, egotistical statement. Barry, your a mess."

http://elections.foxnews.(...)perience-than-palin/

[ Bericht 21% gewijzigd door SuikerVuist op 02-09-2008 21:00:22 ]
pi_61330759
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 20:34 schreef Caesu het volgende:
er is weer iets nieuws:

de kerk van Sarah Palin
[..]


[..]

http://www.huffingtonpost(...)ave-sh_n_123205.html

reden voor de nieuwszenders om Rev. Wright, 'God damn America', nog maar een keer uit te zenden.
tja, je hebt moslim fundamentalisten en je hebt christnefundamentalisten. Overigens is dat van die kerkman gewoon verkiezingsintimidatie.
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
pi_61330868
@SuikerVuist: idd. dom van hem. Nu de media al zo bovenop Palin zitten kan je beter je mond houden over d'r. Zijn reactie gisteravond op het nieuws over haar dochter was vele malen beter. Maar ja, weer typisch FOX om hier uitgebreid verslag van te doen.
pi_61330943
quote:
Now, we’d like to welcome our newest player to the growing cast of characters in our little drama - Thomas Van Flein. Mr. Van Flein (don’t you just have to say that with an accent?!) has been hired to represent Palin in the upcoming legislative investigation into the firing of Commissioner Walt Monegan.

“But wait!” you may be asking, “What about the state Attorney General? Why can’t he handle this?” Why not AG Talis Colberg? Well, he’s the one that Palin sent out to do a pre-emptive sleuthing campaign to see what the Legislature was going to find out when they investigated her. Just so she’d have a heads up. So now Colberg, who has already been talking to everybody and his uncle about the Trooper, including Walt Monegan, has now opened himself up to being called as a witness! So he’s out. (And incidentally, he’s also going to take over the role of Governor of Alaska should Palin end up as the VP, and her Lt. Governor Sean Parnell win his bid for Alaska’s sole House seat. My head hurts).
quote:
Here’s where the gloves come off. Van Flein, Palin’s new lawyer, says that the state legislature shouldn’t be handling the investigation at all. It would be much better, he says, if the state Personnel Board (a three person board appointed by Sarah Palin herself) did the investigation. And Van Flein also asked for all witness statements, documents and other materials collected in the course of the legislature’s investigation.


Alaska blog - goed op de hoogte van de politiek daar
http://mudflats.wordpress(...)-and-ready-to-joust/
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 21:10:19 #96
10864 maartena
Needs more cowbell.
pi_61330963
NPR heeft ook altijd leuke artikelen. (National Public Radio). Die vertrouw ik over het algemeen meer dan CNN of FOX.

How Much Did McCain Know About Palin?

Day to Day, September 2, 2008 · Republican presidential candidate John McCain says he knew, before offering Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin the job as his running mate, that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant. Nonetheless, the revelation is spurring questions about the vetting process and just how well McCain knows Palin.

"We really have just been introduced to her over the past few days and the McCain campaign has not had time to talk to a lot of people in Alaska about her, to get the full 360 of Sarah Palin," NPR's Senior Washington Editor Ron Elving tells Host Madeleine Brand.

"It's very difficult to do this vetting process quickly," Elving adds, "and it does appear that it wasn't terribly long."

The campaign has said that Palin submitted to a three hour interview with the vetter and answered a 70 question questionnaire. Given that the transcript or questionnaire have not been made public, it's impossible to know what sort of questions might not have been answered.

There is evidence to suggest that McCain was leaning toward Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman as running mates — not Palin — but that his advisors pushed him away from them because they are pro-choice.

"He had been clearly contradicted on this by some of the elements of his campaign," Elving says, "And people telling him, 'If you pick someone who is pro-choice, you will lose the enthusiasm of the convention because so many are strong social conservatives and [will] lose their enthusiasm participating this fall in the November vote."

Initial portraits of Palin, following McCain's announcement, painted her as a sort of maverick. Digging further into her biography has shown, however, that she was not always such a reformer. Though she now declares herself staunchly opposed to federal earmarks and the "Bridge to Nowhere," Ketchikan's Gravina Island bridge, that wasn't always the case.

"I think there has been a turnaround in the career of Sarah Palin and I think it's quite an understandable one," Elving says. "When she first was going from the city level, Wasilla, to the state level and dealing with the power structure in Alaska, she dealt with Senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young and they did things for her that helped her get a lot of money spent in her town."

When she won the Republican nomination for governor, however, her political pathway changed rather radically, he adds.

"It was then that she became the sort of reformer that McCain would be attracted to, a sort of earmark buster, even though she had been a great beneficiary of earmarks up until that point," Elving says.

Elving does not see this as signifying any sort of falseness; so much as "it's that she was in one kind of mode when she was mayor and in another mode when she moved to the state level and then the national level."



Toch vind ik het nog steeds jammer dat het "Pro-Life" argument zo sterk is bij de republikeinen, en dat het in principe een "deal-breaker" lijkt te zijn, omdat ze anders de zeer conservatieven niet aan zich kunnen binden....

Mijn persoonlijke mening is dat abortus moet worden ontmoedigd als er andere uitwegen zijn, maar dat het niet pertinent van de tafel moet worden geveegd zoals de Republikeinen willen. Maar het is ook mijn persoonlijke mening dat er VEEL belangrijkere zaken zijn dan het pro-life argument, zoals..... oh, ik noem maar eens wat: Twee oorlogen, de slechte economie, dreiging van terrorisme, buitenlands beleid, ziekenkostenverzekeringen, social security, etc.... naar mijn mening zijn dergelijke zaken VEEL belangrijker dan het pro-life argument. (En zo ook geheelonthouding als seksuele voorlichting).

Nu vind ik zowel Joe Lieberman als Tom Ridge engerds, maar ik had eigenlijk beide heerschappen een VEEL betere keus gevonden voor McCain dan Palin.....
Proud to be American. Hier woon ik.
"Beer is proof that God loves us" - Benjamin Franklin.
-
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 21:15:33 #97
65394 Montov
Dogmaticus Irritantus
pi_61331146
Dat Obama maandenlang een enorme organisatie weet te leiden onder het oog van elke camera, miljoenen stemmen weet te trekken en een bekende en populaire Hillary Clinton weet te verslaan, ja, dat is wel wat betere executive experience dan gouverneur van een kleine staat voor 18 maanden. Dat maakt Obama niet gelijk heel ervaren of andere gouverneurs mislukkelingen. Het zijn trouwens de mensen van McCain die de vergelijking maken tussen Palin en Obama. Dezelfde mensen die durven te beweren dat het grenzen aan het buitenland de gouverneur buitenlandse ervaring geeft. Het hele ervaringsargument is door McCain verneukt.
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
pi_61332198
ik vind het bijzonder vreemd dat Palin niet meer geintroduceerd wordt door de McCain campagne.
nu valt de media/bloggers in die leegte met elk uur zowat een 'onthulling'.

op de site van McCain, niets geen uitgebreide biografie ofzoiets.
dit is alles, haar toespraak van afgelopen zaterdag:
http://www.johnmccain.com/about/governorpalin.htm

het is dom van ze. of ze doen het express om een lage verwachting te creëren.
al de afgelopen maanden was het het Obama-kamp dat het McCain-kamp beschuldigde van lage smear-acties.

nu krijgt het McCain-kamp er van langs. dus: 'all the gloves are off' blijkbaar - aan beide kanten.
ben benieuwd wat de McCain/Palin proxies nog in petto hebben.
quote:
AMY GOODMAN: Richard Mauer, very quickly, since we only have, well, less than a minute, Troopergate, this story of Sarah Palin firing with the public security commissioner because he refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law, the man who was married to her sister, nasty custody case.

RICHARD MAUER: That’s correct. Now, that’s one version of events. She claims she fired him for—because he was not following her policy. But it’s potentially a major issue. Again, this is one of these things where there’s a potential cover-up, with the cover-up—is that worse than the actual occurrence? And that may be what the current investigation is about.

AMY GOODMAN: And she’s also a strong anti-abortion activist?

RICHARD MAUER: Very much so, but a very—and—but as a great campaigner, and I think McCain is going to see that, as well. She’s a great speaker, very energetic. People really warm to her. She’s great at one-on-one. She’s great on one-on-a-thousand.

AMY GOODMAN: Richard Mauer, thanks for being with us, of the Anchorage Daily News.
http://www.democracynow.o(...)e_mccain_taps_alaska
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 21:57:24 #99
21290 NorthernStar
Insurgent
pi_61332638
Het is misschien al voorbij gekomen hier.
quote:
McCain called earmark spending bills "the broken windows of the federal budget process" and vowed to veto every bill with earmarks until Congress stops including them in legislation.

"It may take a while for Congress to adjust, but sooner or later, they'll figure out that there's a new sheriff in town," he said. [bron]
McCain heeft Obama ook verschillende keren aangevallen over het steunen van earmarks.
quote:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog. [bron]
pi_61333489
quote:
Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 20:24 schreef Majar het volgende:
Het verhaal dat ze lid was van Alaska Independence Party is onjuist en verzonnen. De gouverneur is eigenlijk al sinds 1982 lid van de Republikeinse partij.

http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/
Wie zegt dat je niet van beide lid kan zijn?
abonnement Unibet Coolblue Bitvavo
Forum Opties
Forumhop:
Hop naar:
(afkorting, bv 'KLB')