VS-Iran (nr 26): Israel: aanval op Iran desnoods zonder de VS

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Op zaterdag 1 november 2008 18:12 schreef Kees22 het volgende:

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Dan lijkt het me nog maar helemaal de vraag, wat je onder winnen verstaat. Want ik geloof niet dat de VSvA er een derde oorlog bij kunnen hebben en Israel heeft wel een grote bek en wat atoomwapens, maar zal van Iran toch niet kunnen winnen.
Dus als ze zo stom zijn om aan te vallen, lopen ze gegarandeerd vast.

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Op zaterdag 1 november 2008 22:12 schreef Kees22 het volgende:

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Ja, Israel en de VSvA zijn inderdaad landen die een volledige vernietiging als overwinning beschouwen.
En dan noemen ze Iran als deel van de as van het kwaad.
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En atoomprogramma van Iran, is dat net zoiets als de massavernietigingswapens van Saddam?
Hoe kun je nou iets uitschakelen dat er niet is? En je mag niks uitschakelen dat rechtmatig is.

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Op zaterdag 1 november 2008 22:12 schreef Kees22 het volgende:

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Ja, Israel en de VSvA zijn inderdaad landen die een volledige vernietiging als overwinning beschouwen.
En dan noemen ze Iran als deel van de as van het kwaad.

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Iran minister sacked over forgery

breaking news

Parliament in Iran has voted to sack Interior Minister Ali Kordan after he admitted a degree he said he obtained from Oxford University was a forgery.

Mr Kordan said he received the doctorate from Oxford University in good faith, but his certificate was revealed to be a crude fake.

Both conservatives and moderates MPs called for his dismissal.

Correspondents say President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad may now have to submit his whole cabinet for a vote of confidence.

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Obama--fresh face for war on Iran

Barack Obama's top advisers are setting the stage for a military action against Iran over its nuclear program, new reports have revealed.

The emerging consensus on Iran in US foreign policy circles underscores the fact that the differences between Obama and John McCain were purely tactical, according to the World Socialist Website.

While millions of Americans voted for the Democratic candidate believing he would end the war in Iraq and address their pressing economic needs, powerful sections of the American elite swung behind him as a better vehicle to prosecute US economic and strategic interests in the Middle East and Central Asia-including the use of military force against Iran.

The report points to Obama's top Middle East adviser, Dennis Ross, as one of the key figures promoting a military action against Iran.

Ross is a key member of the Bipartisan Policy Center, a Washington-based think tank, which declared in a report in September that a nuclear weapons capable Iran was “strategically untenable” and detailed a robust approach, “incorporating new diplomatic, economic and military tools in an integrated fashion”.

The report said that the US needs to immediately boost its military presence in the Persian Gulf.

“This should commence the first day the new president enters office, especially as the Islamic Republic and its proxies might seek to test the new administration. It would involve pre-positioning US and allied forces, deploying additional aircraft carrier battle groups and minesweepers, [and] emplacing other war materiel in the region,” it stated

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The timing of the talks, between two lame duck leaders with only weeks to go before they leave office, is intriguing. Israel has stated repeatedly that it would be unacceptable for an Iranian regime to acquire nuclear weapons. Altough Tehran insists that its uranium enrichment programme is for peaceful purposes, President Ahmadinejad has vowed to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

During his visit to Washington, which begins on Sunday, Mr Olmert is expected to meet the Vice-President Dick Cheney, the Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Robert Gates, the Defence Secretary.

Intelligence sources have told The Times that the prospect of Israel taking preemptive military action to knock out Iran’s nuclear facilities appears to have become significantly more likely in recent weeks. Such an operation would require at least tacit US cooperation because it would almost certainly involve Israeli warplanes flying through US-controlled airspace in Iraq.

Barack Obama is known to have raised this issue when he visited Israel last summer. Diplomats in Washington have confirmed that he discussed with European leaders concerns that the first months of his presidency could be thrown off-course by such a military crisis.

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The emerging consensus on Iran in US foreign policy circles underscores the fact that the differences between Obama and John McCain were purely tactical, according to the World Socialist Website.

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Op zaterdag 8 november 2008 19:00 schreef SeLang het volgende:

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Je kunt het tussen de regels door al horen. Eerst wilde hij met ahmadinejad gaan praten, maar nu heeft hij die security briefing gehad en trekt hij die keutel weer in. Mijn gok is dat die aanval allang gepland is en dat hij daarover nu is ingelicht.

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Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 09:38 schreef SeLang het volgende:

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Mijn theorie is een andere. Dit schreef ik na de security briefing die Obama kreeg na de verkiezingen.
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Aangezien hij de nasleep van een aanval zal moeten opvangen zou hij totaal ongeloofwaardig worden als hij zijn "weer praten met Iran" retoriek blijft handhaven.

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Iran to launch two new ships, submarine

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iran's navy is planning to launch two new ships and a submarine later this week, the commander of the navy announced Sunday.

All three vessels were made in Iran, the semi-official Fars News Agency quoted Cmdr. Habibolalh Sayyari as saying.

"On the occasion of Navy Day [November 27], two missile-carrying ships named Kalat and Derafsh, as well as a light submarine, will be launched," he said.

Sayyari repeated a long-standing Iranian threat to close the Strait of Hormuz, a critical waterway, if Iran is threatened.

"We have never said that we will close the Strait of Hormuz. What we did say was that we do have the capability to do so in the event of any aggression or attack," he said.

The United States has said it will not let Iran close the waterway, a vital link in shipping Middle Eastern oil to the world.

Sayyari told reporters that the Iranian navy is monitoring all the movements of foreign ships in the Sea of Oman, the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz.

He also said that Iran is not planning on expanding its military presence in the Caspian Sea, but: "We have identified 20 percent of the Caspian as our area and will fully protect that area."

Sayyari added that the Iranian navy planned to hold naval maneuvers called "Unity 87" in early December in the Sea of Oman and the Strait of Hormuz.

Iranian and U.S. vessels have occasionally come in close contact in the region, escalating tensions between Tehran and Washington.

Bron: CNN

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Op zaterdag 1 november 2008 21:28 schreef MoltiSanti het volgende:

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winst is uitschakeling van het nucleaire programma imho.

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Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 12:19 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Iran wordt niet aangevallen en Obama zal blijven willen praten met het land. Terecht.

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Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 11:47 schreef B.Honderd het volgende:
Nuke ze maar en dat ik er nooit meer iets over hoef te horen of te zien!

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Op vrijdag 21 november 2008 09:38 schreef SeLang het volgende:

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Mijn theorie is een andere. Dit schreef ik na de security briefing die Obama kreeg na de verkiezingen.
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Aangezien hij de nasleep van een aanval zal moeten opvangen zou hij totaal ongeloofwaardig worden als hij zijn "weer praten met Iran" retoriek blijft handhaven.

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Op maandag 24 november 2008 14:16 schreef Lind het volgende:

Ik denk dat Iraakse leger (zijn ook sjiiten) zich tegen hun amerikaanse bondgenoten gaan keren....

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Iran brings down Israeli spy network
November 24 2008 at 1:28 PM

Iranian security forces have arrested members of an Israeli spy cell that had been conducting data collection operations in the country.

"The security and intelligence division of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) recently identified a network that was spying on the country's military organizations," Fars news agency quoted the IRGC chief commander, Brigadier General Mohammad-Ali Jafari, as saying on Monday.

"The network's link with Mossad was established after extensive intelligence and tracking operations. Members of the cell were arrested during an operation," Brig. Gen. Jafari added.

According to the official, the network was gathering information for Israel about nuclear facilities, the IRGC as well as Iranian military and political figures.

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'Israel spy' put to death in Iran
November 22 2008 at 1:41 PM Ali's knife victim. (Login TryphonTournesol)
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'Israel spy' put to death in Iran

Iran has hanged a telecoms engineer convicted of spying for Israel, reports from Tehran say.

Ali Ashtari, an Iranian, was convicted in June of spying for Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency. A video said to be of his confession was broadcast on TV.

He was convicted of sending "sensitive information on military, defence and research centres" for three years.

Israeli officials were quoted in June as saying that Israel was not familiar with the case.

Announcing the execution, which reportedly took place on Monday, Iran's official news agency said the case against the 45-year-old was clear and his appeal was summarily dismissed.
"He had spied for Mossad for three years," the state news agency quoted the intelligence ministry's director of counter-terrorism as saying.

"His espionage was so evident," the unnamed official said.
Officials said Ashtari was recruited by Israeli secret services to intercept the communications of Iranian officials working in the military and its controversial nuclear programme.
Broadcasting his apparent confession, state TV showed Ashtari sitting down wearing an open-necked shirt and jumper.
"It was my mistake and perhaps I feared going to the intelligence ministry, and this fear was the reason why I kept choosing the wrong path," he said, speaking into the camera.

"Do not repeat the mistakes that I made."

The case unfolded throughout the year against a backdrop of concerns in Iran that Israel was planning to launch a pre-emptive strike against its nuclear facilities.

Israel is a leading advocate of strong action against Tehran, which it believes is seeking to develop nuclear weapons.
Iran denies that charge, saying its nuclear programme is intended for energy supply only.