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Zou kunnen, hij heeft zelf wel geld verloren, ongeveer $ 250 staat ook in die FBI verklaring van Katharine Madison Whatleyquote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 19:31 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ja maar de vriendinnen hebben later een verklaring afgelegd dat Joran nooit iet s voor wie dan ook gewonnen zou hebben op die avond
Computer data Joran (May 30, 2005)
chat with Deepak:
3:25.04 am Deepak to Joran ben je der
3:25.04 am Deepak to Joran ?
3:25.38 am Deepak to Joran anyways fijn te horen dat je thuis bent ik spreek je morgen ik ga slapen
3:25.42 am Deepak to Joran take care
7 minutes and 26 seconds later
3:33.08 am Joran to Deepak hey swa (hey buddy)
3:35.32 am Joran to Deepak topa/lopa pimp hheehehe
Websites visited:
I'm off drinking
, and yes responsible 
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
The whole money part is a bit puzzling indeed, but I can realise that at one point these class mates wanted to tell a different story then Joran.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 19:31 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ja maar de vriendinnen hebben later een verklaring afgelegd dat Joran nooit iet s voor wie dan ook gewonnen zou hebben op die avond
Might not be relevant anyway.
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
This is a simulation showing vortex formation and downstream shedding from a circular “island”. Note carefully the rotating vorticies that form and alternately sweep the downstream face of the “island”. This is our “Marriot Beach/Huts” side.
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
To me the weird thing is that she apparently got there at 20:58 and was sitting at the table around 20:25. Either thats strange or I need glasses.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 15:07 schreef Ticker het volgende:
Look at this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YA3NKpGHnqc
It shows Natalee and Joran both entering the casino, alone.
The funny thing is, the casino camera above the table says it's about 20:25.
The camera aimed at the door, shows Joran entering at 19:51.
This same camera shows on 20:58 that Natalee enters the casino.
What's up with the time differents.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
A few minutes stroll back along the beach from the Fisherman's Huts to the HI hotel.
The bushes, left, make the huts beach area slightly secluded.
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Lees die timetable nog eens... Het was een re-enter, ze ging even weg en kwam terug. Hoe ze naar buiten is gegaan is niet duidelijk.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 20:56 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
To me the weird thing is that she apparently got there at 20:58 and was sitting at the table around 20:25. Either thats strange or I need glasses.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
That's odd; the ring of prostitution comes to mind.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 17:23 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Another American Girl Missing with Aruba Connection just seven years ago
While Aruba does damage control over fears that their tourism industry may suffer, reports have surfaced that Natalee Holloway is not the only young American girl to disappear there.
Another family said they know exactly what the parents of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who has been missing in Aruba since last week, are going through.
They've been dealing with the same nightmare for seven years.
The Bradleys, of Virginia, went on a cruise in 1998 and Aruba was one of the stops. That's where their daughter disappeared.
Iva Bradley said her 23-year-old daughter, Amy, befriended three men who worked on the cruise ship and they wanted to take her to a bar in Aruba.
"They said they wanted to take her to a bar on Aruba that was called Carlos and Charlie's," said Bradley.
this is amy [ afbeelding ]
Natalee Holloway spent her last night ALSO eating and dancing at Carlos 'n Charlie's bar
Which was investigated by Brigit Katelaan.
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I´m back.
Joran van der Sloot verhoord in Rotterdam
(Novum) - Joran van der Sloot is vrijdag verhoord door rechercheurs van de Arubaanse politie. Dat heeft het Openbaar Ministerie van Aruba laten weten. Het verhoor over de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway vond plaats op een politiebureau in Rotterdam.
In het twee uur durende verhoor heeft Van der Sloot verklaard dat hij tijdens de gesprekken in de auto van Patrick van der Eem, die was ingeschakeld door misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries, onder invloed van marihuana was.
Ook wil Van der Sloot bij zijn eerdere verklaringen tegenover de politie blijven en ontkent hij dus iedere betrokkenheid bij Holloways verdwijning. Al voor de geruchtmakende uitzending van De Vries zei Joran van der Sloot dat zijn veronderstelde bekentenissen in de zaak niet de waarheid zijn.
De gesprekken met Van der Eem zijn met een verborgen camera opgenomen en hierop verklaart Van der Sloot dat hij precies weet hoe Natalee op zee werd gedumpt. Hij stelde dat de 18-jarige Amerikaanse onwel was geworden tijdens seks op het strand.
Of Van der Sloot verder wordt verhoord hangt af van de uitspraak in het beroep dat het Arubaanse OM heeft aangespannen tegen de beslissing van de rechter-commissaris. Die wees het verzoek om Van der Sloot opnieuw te arresteren af. Een uitspraak hierover wordt na het weekeinde verwacht.
Het Arubaanse OM roept de media op om terughoudend te zijn met eigen naspeuringen in de zaak. Het OM is bang dat 'bepaalde personen op intimiderende wijze worden belaagd'. "Het tot een verdachte bestempelen van willekeurige personen kan de zaak schaden", legt een woordvoerder van het OM uit. Het OM benadrukt dat met de oproep de vrije nieuwsgaring niet in gevaar hoeft komen maar dat van de pers terughoudendheid mag worden verwacht. Vorige week ontstond een volksoploop in Drachten toen ten onrechte werd gedacht dat Joran zich daar in een flat bevond.
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(Novum) - Joran van der Sloot is vrijdag verhoord door rechercheurs van de Arubaanse politie. Dat heeft het Openbaar Ministerie van Aruba laten weten. Het verhoor over de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway vond plaats op een politiebureau in Rotterdam.
In het twee uur durende verhoor heeft Van der Sloot verklaard dat hij tijdens de gesprekken in de auto van Patrick van der Eem, die was ingeschakeld door misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries, onder invloed van marihuana was.
Ook wil Van der Sloot bij zijn eerdere verklaringen tegenover de politie blijven en ontkent hij dus iedere betrokkenheid bij Holloways verdwijning. Al voor de geruchtmakende uitzending van De Vries zei Joran van der Sloot dat zijn veronderstelde bekentenissen in de zaak niet de waarheid zijn.
De gesprekken met Van der Eem zijn met een verborgen camera opgenomen en hierop verklaart Van der Sloot dat hij precies weet hoe Natalee op zee werd gedumpt. Hij stelde dat de 18-jarige Amerikaanse onwel was geworden tijdens seks op het strand.
Of Van der Sloot verder wordt verhoord hangt af van de uitspraak in het beroep dat het Arubaanse OM heeft aangespannen tegen de beslissing van de rechter-commissaris. Die wees het verzoek om Van der Sloot opnieuw te arresteren af. Een uitspraak hierover wordt na het weekeinde verwacht.
Het Arubaanse OM roept de media op om terughoudend te zijn met eigen naspeuringen in de zaak. Het OM is bang dat 'bepaalde personen op intimiderende wijze worden belaagd'. "Het tot een verdachte bestempelen van willekeurige personen kan de zaak schaden", legt een woordvoerder van het OM uit. Het OM benadrukt dat met de oproep de vrije nieuwsgaring niet in gevaar hoeft komen maar dat van de pers terughoudendheid mag worden verwacht. Vorige week ontstond een volksoploop in Drachten toen ten onrechte werd gedacht dat Joran zich daar in een flat bevond.
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Oh, right. Hoezo is dat niet op de tape dan?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 21:01 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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Lees die timetable nog eens... Het was een re-enter, ze ging even weg en kwam terug. Hoe ze naar buiten is gegaan is niet duidelijk.
I still find it very hard to believe that his dad knows and was like "Oh you threw her into the ocean? Well, Ill protect you!" My parents would call the cops
Oh, and the story about him taking Natalee to pay debts.. Wouldnt that be fucking stupid? Those people know he did that and would be like "I need you to do this and this or we'll tell this and that to the cops"
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
There is still no concrete and compelling evidence to suggest that Paul van der Sloot was a corrupt magistrate (-trainee). That it was his (Paul's) plan te dispose of the body of Natalee in the ocean and that the Aruban govt and its officials helped with, what some SM users called, a humongus cover-up.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
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Oh, right. Hoezo is dat niet op de tape dan?
I still find it very hard to believe that his dad knows and was like "Oh you threw her into the ocean? Well, Ill protect you!" My parents would call the cops [ afbeelding ]
Oh, and the story about him taking Natalee to pay debts.. Wouldnt that be fucking stupid? Those people know he did that and would be like "I need you to do this and this or we'll tell this and that to the cops"
Sure there might be corruption on Aruba, in connection with drug trafficing, as observer all ready lined out, but does this mean that they go so far as to smother a ring of serial rapist? Don't think so. Maffia kind of people are as conservative on these things as the mother of Natalee is.
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I´m back.
I gave you proof. The article I sent you was a newspaper article from Aruba's largest newspaper,I sent you the translations and also gave you the translator to do that yourself. Also a direct quote from Natalee's Mom who heard this herself from his own mouth and has spoken about it many times.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 12:29 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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A source is not a person where you heard it from.
With a source is meant hard-evidence like an article or some real documents.
Don't act like i'm blaming you anything, I just like to see your quotes backed-up instaid of sending me on the internet to look for it myself.
By the way.. you still are doing it cause you are giving me a link and saying maybe it's on there, look for it yourself.
Read the latest work of the freebirds. It is well done
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door observer777 op 08-02-2008 22:09:09 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Oohh, Im with you on this one. That's what I've been saying. They say things like "Aruba is corrupted and THEREFOR Holloway is a cover up" And that is not how we do these things.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 21:39 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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There is still no concrete and compelling evidence to suggest that Paul van der Sloot was a corrupt magistrate (-trainee). That it was his (Paul's) plan te dispose of the body of Natalee in the ocean and that the Aruban govt and its officials helped with, what some SM users called, a humongus cover-up.
Sure there might be corruption on Aruba, in connection with drug trafficing, as observer all ready lined out, but does this mean that they go so far as to smother a ring of serial rapist? Don't think so. Maffia kind of people are as conservative on these things as the mother of Natalee is.
And Im not gonna believe that his father knows everything and helped him just like that, untill they prove it. I just won't.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
het OM op aruba een lachertje !!
de website bestaat sinds 2004 en er staat NIKS op
ha ha niet te geloven !
http://www.omaruba.aw/
Welkom op de website van het Openbaar Ministerie Aruba (OM). Op deze website willen wij u meer vertellen over het OM. Bij het OM werken zo’n 50 mensen. Deze mensen zijn dag in dag uit bezig met de uitvoering van de kerntaak van het OM: de strafrechtelijke handhaving van de rechtsorde in Aruba.
Lees meer over het OM Aruba
Copyright © 2004 Afdeling Voorlichting en Communicatie OM Aruba
Adres : Havenstraat 2 | Oranjestad | Aruba
Postadres : Postbus 1163 | Oranjestad | Aruba
Tel : +297 582 1415
Fax : +297 583 8891
Email : om.aruba@setarnet.aw
Ontwikkeling en Beheer : Grip MultiMedia
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:22 schreef johan555 het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]
het OM op aruba een lachertje !!
de website bestaat sinds 2004 en er staat NIKS op
niet te geloven !
http://www.omaruba.aw/
Welkom op de website van het Openbaar Ministerie Aruba (OM). Op deze website willen wij u meer vertellen over het OM. Bij het OM werken zo’n 50 mensen. Deze mensen zijn dag in dag uit bezig met de uitvoering van de kerntaak van het OM: de strafrechtelijke handhaving van de rechtsorde in Aruba.
Lees meer over het OM Aruba
Copyright © 2004 Afdeling Voorlichting en Communicatie OM Aruba
Adres : Havenstraat 2 | Oranjestad | Aruba
Postadres : Postbus 1163 | Oranjestad | Aruba
Tel : +297 582 1415
Fax : +297 583 8891
Email : om.aruba@setarnet.aw
Ontwikkeling en Beheer : Grip MultiMedia
they moved their site to a different address:
http://www.chiquitabananen.nl/nlnl/
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Caesu, perhaps I'am wrong, but aren't you an user who has sympathy for Wilders?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:32 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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they moved their site to a different address:
http://www.chiquitabananen.nl/nlnl/
I´m back.
What doya mean?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:51 schreef lipboutje het volgende:
niet? oh
I´m back.
interesting point.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:38 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Caesu, perhaps I'am wrong, but aren't you an user who has sympathy for Wilders?
but no i have no sympathy for Wilders. i disagree with him on almost every subject strongly.
i do however agree with Hero Brinkman (PVV) that Aruba en the Antilles are full with corruption and drugs smugling and maybe worse. i don't support putting those islands on e-bay, but i do however support i big cleaning up operation on those islands.
i suspect the entire dutch parliament knows Hero Brinkman has a point.
but they are afraid to side with the PVV because they are afraid to be affailiated with this party because of other more extreme views on muslims for example.
what do you think?
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Perhaps these ilses need some cleansing; but I don't think you shoud walk away from it. So I' m not siding with the PVV. They want to part with it, amongst other things because of the corruption.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:58 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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interesting point.
but now i have no sympathy for Wilders. i disagree with him on almost every subject strongly.
i do however agree with Hero Brinkman (PVV) that Aruba en the Antilles are full with corruption and drugs smugling and maybe worse. i don't support putting those islands on e-bay, but i do however support i big cleaning up operation on those islands.
i suspect the entire dutch parliament knows Hero Brinkman has a point.
but they are afraid to side with the PVV because they are afraid to be affailiated with this party because of other more extreme views on muslims for example.
what do you think?
I´m back.
yes, that's what i mean. not abandon those islands, that goes too far.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 23:10 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Perhaps these ilses need some cleansing; but I don't think you shoud walk away from it. So I' m not siding with the PVV. They want to part with it, amongst other things because of the corruption.
so much drugs comes via the ABC islands to Europa.
yesterday we saw how easy it is to smuggle on airplanes on Schiphol Airport (no adequate security).
but i find the PVV is the only party to bring this up. (the problems on the ABC and in lesser extent SSS islands)
the coalition party's disagrees per definition with the PVV.
so if the PVV has one idea which may have some valid aspects - other party's (especially the government coalition party's) struck it down by default.
i think this is the bigger picture.
maybe seemingly unrelated to Natalee.
but i reallly think a culture of drugs and corruption enables persons like Joran to exploit the situation and cause havoc.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Judge Bob Witt Judicial associate of Paulus van der Sloot changed the search warrant on the spot from the entire VDS residence to a small part of the property,Joran's little apt and the two cars. High Ranking official Ben Vocking(King)laid low for two weeks purportedly staying at the Van der Sloot residence. He surfaced on June 15, 2005 at the door of the Van der Sloot home with Dutch Judge Bob Wit to block the search of the Van der Sloot property when the police and prosecution authorities arrived with a full search warrant. It wasn't until two years later that the VDS house was fully searched.
Judge Bob Wit intervened again eight days later when Joran’s father Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested for reasonable suspicion in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, once again blocking a search of the Van Der Sloot home. Without question Bob Wit knew Paulus van der Sloot - they worked on cases together and appear to be very good friends judging from such an outrageous ruling. Since when do arrested murder suspects get immunity from having their houses searched? Judge Bob Wit needs to answer this question in the open forum of the Caribbean Court of Justice, rather than hide behind the opaque wall of Dutch law
Judge Rick Smid– Reportedly a friend of PVDS who stayed at VDS home. It was Judge Rick Smid who released the three suspects and gave them an unconditional release granting them immunity from further questioning in the case. On August 30, 2005 Judge Smid issued a ruling that Joran should be held another 30 days, flew back to Curacao and immediately faxed in a reversal of his ruling. Police statements and secret recordings of the three suspects suggest intimate knowledge of "something bad" happening to Holloway. He was also aware that Joran van der Sloot had lied repeatedly in his police statements and conflicting statements from all the suspects. Judge Rick Smid chose to ignore this and grant immunity instead. Upon his release, Joran van der Sloot fled the island of Aruba to Holland where he currently resides. As we know none of the suspects have ever been questioned again. Including Paul Van Der Sloot where it was ruled by Aruba's highest court that he had two contacts with Natalee Holloway including at 4am two hours after his son said he left her at the beach.
Jan van der Straaten-Police Chief for the Aruba Police Department and close friend of Paulus van der Sloot . Jan van der Straten's role as lead investigator in the first two months of the Natalee Holloway case demonstrates the obvious conflicts of interest found in the Aruba investigation. Van der Straaten was, by Paulus van der Sloot's own public admission, a "close friend" of Van der Sloot and worked for PVDS years earlier. We know PVDS and JVDS were in constant contact during the Investigation and we know the bogus evidence that got the security guards arrested was by Gerald Dompig's brother-in law who also states he saw Natalee Holloway with cocaine. Both are definite flat out lies. Van der Straten would have been very instrumental in the decision not to arrest the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance until 10 days after she vanished, even though he knew immediately that they lied about dropping the Alabama teen off at the Holiday Inn.Van der Straten would have also been involved in the decision to arrest two black security guards on June 5, 2005 which in effect prolonged the time given to the three suspects to cover their tracks and eliminate any evidence that should have been collected immediately upon the discovery of the Holiday Inn lie.Van der Straten stated to Dutch media on June 12, 2005 that he believed Natalee was no longer alive and when asked by the reporter why he would make such a comment he responded, "Because I know the evidence and you don't. Interestingly, two years later the lead investigator has never explained what that evidence is.He also made comment months after we were told he was retiring and moved to the neighboring island of Bonaire as he took the same title as Police Commissioner. He stated that the case should have been solved early on but that there were "people who didn't want to cooperate." Since suspects rarely cooperate, Van der Straten had to have been talking about a corrupt Aruban government and Dutch judiciary. Any high-ranking official with such a close relationship to a suspect's parent should have recused himself or alternately been forced off the case, but this is Aruba, a country in the grip of Mafia control who never saw a conflict of interest they didn't like.
From Joran's Book
Van der Straaten arrives and tells Joran that he "has known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland, that you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed to a mental institution. You only have to tell the truth."
posted on 06/12/2005
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UPDATE 24: Tuesday night during the broadcast of the most popular entertainment news program in The Netherlands, RTL-Boulevard, crime reporter John van den Heuvel announced that he talked to police commissioner Jan van der Straten, who is heading the investigation. The commissioner told van den Heuvel that they expect the case of Natalee Holloway to be solved within the next 24 hours.
Aruban Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
is this december or june 2005?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 23:21 schreef observer777 het volgende:
posted on 06/12/2005
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UPDATE 24: Tuesday night during the broadcast of the most popular entertainment news program in The Netherlands, RTL-Boulevard, crime reporter John van den Heuvel announced that he talked to police commissioner Jan van der Straten, who is heading the investigation. The commissioner told van den Heuvel that they expect the case of Natalee Holloway to be solved within the next 24 hours.
if it is june 2005 i find this very remarkable... (nonetheless if it is december it is remarkable too)
this was right around the time they kept Beth and Jug asking questions wether Natalee had a history with epilepsy / seizures. to which they repeatedly said NO!
why did van Straten think he was going to solve it 24 hours??????
because he thought he would be able to make a natural death out of it???
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
It was June 2005! I think just a day or two later in Joran's book is where he told Joran all you have to do is tell the truth and I will see you never go to prison but instead to a mental institution. Remember it was announces all over American media Joran confessed on June 10th,something bad happened and they were retreaving her body. Some newspapers reported her as confirmed dead. Then the next day it was said it was mis-information by Rudy Croes,even though his office is the one who announced the confession. We know on the 13th Joran was saying he was being framed and then gave the statement accusing Deepak of coming back with two dogs and possibly raping and killing Natalee.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 23:31 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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is this december or june 2005?
if it is june 2005 i find this very remarkable... (nonetheless if it is december it is remarkable too)
this was right around the time they kept Beth and Jug asking questions wether Natalee had a history with epilepsy / seizures. to which they repeatedly said NO!
why did van Straten think he was going to solve it 24 hours??????
because he thought he would be able to make a natural death out of it???
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
omg.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 23:45 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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It was June 2005! I think just a day or two later in Joran's book is where he told Joran all you have to do is tell the truth and I will see you never go to prison but instead to a mental institution. Remember it was announces all over American media Joran confessed on June 10th,something bad happened and they were retreaving her body. Some newspapers reported her as confirmed dead. Then the next day it was said it was mis-information by Rudy Croes,even though his office is the one who announced the confession. We know on the 13th Joran was saying he was being framed and then gave the statement accusing Deepak of coming back with two dogs and possibly raping and killing Natalee.
speechless
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
It could have been meant that he confessed the story of being dropped off with her alone at the beach, instead of the HI story. I do however think that JvS knows more about this case then he was willing to pursue. Weren't all interrogations filmed and taped btw, I think I red this somewhere.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
Joran van der Sloot continues to deny
during new police interrogations
This morning Joran van der Sloot was interrogated at a police station in Rotterdam by detectives of the Aruba Police Corps and the Corps Federal Police. This was announced by the Aruba Public Prosecutor tonight.
Joran declares that he conducted the talks in the car while being under the influence of marihuana. He makes no further deviations from his statements as made earlier during the investigation. He denies having had anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
The interrogation lasted approximately two hours. Joran’s lawyer was present at the time.
during new police interrogations
This morning Joran van der Sloot was interrogated at a police station in Rotterdam by detectives of the Aruba Police Corps and the Corps Federal Police. This was announced by the Aruba Public Prosecutor tonight.
Joran declares that he conducted the talks in the car while being under the influence of marihuana. He makes no further deviations from his statements as made earlier during the investigation. He denies having had anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
The interrogation lasted approximately two hours. Joran’s lawyer was present at the time.
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Peter R. de Vries reageert op nieuwe verklaring Joran
Joran heeft vandaag tegenover de recherche verklaard dat hij tijdens de urenlange bekentenissen tegenover onze undercover Patrick onder invloed verkeerde van wiet en daardoor onzin heeft uitgekraamd. Het lijkt een laatste, verwoede poging van hem om te redden wat er te redden valt. Immers, wat kan hij anders nog verzinnen om onder een celstraf uit te komen. Als hij zou toegeven dat hij bij zijn volle verstand was, dan was zijn spel meteen uit.
- ONGELOOFWAARDIG -
Jorans nieuwe verklaring is in mijn ogen een zeer ongeloofwaardige, niet reële uitleg. Belangrijk om vast te stellen is dat Joran zijn verhaal deed op verschillende tijdstippen van de dag, op verschillende dagen en soms met een tussenpoos van wel een week. Niet één keer kwam Joran terug op zijn eerdere verklaring en niet één keer wekte hij ook maar een beetje de indruk dat hij de volgende dag schrok van wat hij eerder - volgens hem nu dus in kennelijke staat - had verteld tegen Patrick. Nee, steeds ging hij er juist op door en vulde hij zijn verhaal aan met nieuwe feiten en omstandigheden over wat er de fatale nacht in mei 2005 op het strand op Aruba was gebeurd.
- NIET CONSTANT STONED -
Bovendien was Joran helemaal niet constant stoned, als hij dat überhaupt al is geweest in de auto met Patrick. Hij is immers gewend aan blowen. Hij rookte in de auto slechts een aantal malen een joint, en stak heus niet de ene met de andere aan. Steevast haalde Patrick hem fris en nuchter op bij het huis van zijn oma in Arnhem, waarna hij, voor hij een joint opstak, overtuigend inging op zijn aandeel in Natalee’s verdwijning. Of wil Joran nu beweren dat hij alle dagen volkomen stoned bij zijn oma op de bank zat te wachten tot Patrick hem rond het middaguur kwam oppikken?
- BIJ VOLLE VERSTAND -
Nee, wat Joran van der Sloot in de auto tegenover Patrick verklaarde, gebeurde bij zijn volle verstand. En iedereen heeft dat kunnen vaststellen. Het lijkt erop dat hij deze laatste escape verzint omdat de Amerikaanse opinie over drugsgebruik nogal puriteins is en hij erop hoopt dat men een dergelijke uitleg misschien eerder slikt. Maar het snijdt op geen enkele manier hout.
bron : peterrdevries.nl
Joran heeft vandaag tegenover de recherche verklaard dat hij tijdens de urenlange bekentenissen tegenover onze undercover Patrick onder invloed verkeerde van wiet en daardoor onzin heeft uitgekraamd. Het lijkt een laatste, verwoede poging van hem om te redden wat er te redden valt. Immers, wat kan hij anders nog verzinnen om onder een celstraf uit te komen. Als hij zou toegeven dat hij bij zijn volle verstand was, dan was zijn spel meteen uit.
- ONGELOOFWAARDIG -
Jorans nieuwe verklaring is in mijn ogen een zeer ongeloofwaardige, niet reële uitleg. Belangrijk om vast te stellen is dat Joran zijn verhaal deed op verschillende tijdstippen van de dag, op verschillende dagen en soms met een tussenpoos van wel een week. Niet één keer kwam Joran terug op zijn eerdere verklaring en niet één keer wekte hij ook maar een beetje de indruk dat hij de volgende dag schrok van wat hij eerder - volgens hem nu dus in kennelijke staat - had verteld tegen Patrick. Nee, steeds ging hij er juist op door en vulde hij zijn verhaal aan met nieuwe feiten en omstandigheden over wat er de fatale nacht in mei 2005 op het strand op Aruba was gebeurd.
- NIET CONSTANT STONED -
Bovendien was Joran helemaal niet constant stoned, als hij dat überhaupt al is geweest in de auto met Patrick. Hij is immers gewend aan blowen. Hij rookte in de auto slechts een aantal malen een joint, en stak heus niet de ene met de andere aan. Steevast haalde Patrick hem fris en nuchter op bij het huis van zijn oma in Arnhem, waarna hij, voor hij een joint opstak, overtuigend inging op zijn aandeel in Natalee’s verdwijning. Of wil Joran nu beweren dat hij alle dagen volkomen stoned bij zijn oma op de bank zat te wachten tot Patrick hem rond het middaguur kwam oppikken?
- BIJ VOLLE VERSTAND -
Nee, wat Joran van der Sloot in de auto tegenover Patrick verklaarde, gebeurde bij zijn volle verstand. En iedereen heeft dat kunnen vaststellen. Het lijkt erop dat hij deze laatste escape verzint omdat de Amerikaanse opinie over drugsgebruik nogal puriteins is en hij erop hoopt dat men een dergelijke uitleg misschien eerder slikt. Maar het snijdt op geen enkele manier hout.
bron : peterrdevries.nl
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
tvp.
Yvonne riep ergens: Static is gewoon Static, je leeft met hem of niet.
Geen verborgen agenda's, trouw, grote muil, lief hartje, bang voor bloed, scheld FA's graag uit voor lul.
Op dinsdag 26 oktober 2021 16:46 schreef Elan het volgende:
Hier sta ik dan weer niet van te kijken Zelfs het virus is bang voor jou.
Geen verborgen agenda's, trouw, grote muil, lief hartje, bang voor bloed, scheld FA's graag uit voor lul.
Op dinsdag 26 oktober 2021 16:46 schreef Elan het volgende:
Hier sta ik dan weer niet van te kijken Zelfs het virus is bang voor jou.
meet Me at Hot or Not
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
face book !
JORAN ADVERTISES ON FACEBOOK THAT HE ATTENDS MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, BUT THE TRUTH IS JORAN LIVED IN ARUBA AND WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL
JORAN ADVERTISES ON FACEBOOK THAT HE ATTENDS MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, BUT THE TRUTH IS JORAN LIVED IN ARUBA AND WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
keep in mind of course that it is possible to make such a page for someone else.quote:Op zaterdag 9 februari 2008 00:16 schreef johan555 het volgende:
face book !
JORAN ADVERTISES ON FACEBOOK THAT HE ATTENDS MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, BUT THE TRUTH IS JORAN LIVED IN ARUBA AND WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL
[ afbeelding ]
but it can be checked by looking at IP-addresses of course.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
tja
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
The confession was real and all over the American media on most every major news station,I could provide like 30 links for the 10th and 11th. And even more links the next day when they were retrieving her body. Natalee's family was already grieving and was told by the FBI she was not alive. Mass confusion,mis-information..etc..But Deputy Chief Dompig andThe Minister of Defense Office(David Croes)said there was a confession and they were leading them to the body. As you can see the next day that all changed. Many of the video/text links no longer work or were updated. But it was a AP story,CNN,FOX and other MSM and of course all over the blogs. Yes,I do believe interrogations were filmed,at least that is what we were told.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 23:55 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
It could have been meant that he confessed the story of being dropped off with her alone at the beach, instead of the HI story. I do however think that JvS knows more about this case then he was willing to pursue. Weren't all interrogations filmed and taped btw, I think I red this somewhere.
Witnessed by Diario Reporter
“They Buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts"
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1260
According to information that DIARIO is receiving, when Joran van der Sloot was detained he started crying during interrogation and he even told officers that they buried Natalee in the neighborhood of Fishermen hutsIt could be deduced that he doesn’t remember precisely where, but in the neighborhood of Fishermen huts, the elder Kalpoe brother buried Natalee. He told police that he would cooperate but that didn’t last long.
As for the Kalpoe Brothers, they also made fun of our authority because they simply told the cops: “No Body means No Case”.
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Natalee Holloway Is Dead
A reliable source from Aruba throughout my reporting has informed me that Natalee Holloway has now been confirmed as deceased, her Father is traveling to the location of the body. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family.
http://www.riehlworldview(...)rvative/2005/week23/
AP is correcting that they did not confess , just said something bad has happenned to her.
One of the teenage suspects confessed to killing Natalee Holloway and they are looking for the body now. One of the suspects is taking them to the body now.
From CNN
Karl Penhaul is reporting
STORY ON CNN
One of three young suspects arrested Thursday in the investigation into the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has confessed to her murder, a senior police official said late Friday.
The suspect has agreed to lead police to the body of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway, the police official said.
Police did not say which of the three teenagers confessed.
The three have been identified as brothers Satish Kalpoe, 18, and Depak Kalpoe, 21, and their friend, 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of a judge
AP: ORANJESTAD, Aruba - One of three young men who took an Alabama high school student to the beach during her class trip to Aruba confessed he killed her, police say. Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man was leading police late Friday to the scene of the crime.
WBRC
Local Birmingham TV is reporting that the family is going to the lighthouse area to look for the body. Mai Martinez reporting live says that they were at the lighthouse but now are heading to police station nord.
MSNBC
ORANJESTAD, Aruba - One of three young men who took a missing Alabama honors student to the beach confessed that “something bad” happened to the 18-year-old American, police say.
1 AM : Aruba Girl in the comments is reporting that they are going to Canashito, a rock quarry. During the massive search (the one where the civil servants got off), they spotted suspcious activity by a white van in the area. The cops went to check it out, but found nothing.
Yahoo
An unidentified friend of Natalee Holloway signs a ‘wall of hope’ erected for the missing Alabama teen in Mountain Brook, Ala., on Friday, June 10, 2005. Holloway disappeared in Aruba on May 30 during a senior graduation trip to the Dutch Caribbean island. (AP Photo/Jay Reeves)
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/11/breaking/
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/10/missing.teen/index.html
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- One of three young men who took an Alabama teenager to the beach during a high school graduation trip to Aruba said "something bad happened" to her, police said Friday.
Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man was leading police late Friday to the scene. He refused to identify which young man had made the statement.
Fox news is reporting that one of the men arrested in the Natalee Holloway disappearance arrested yesterday has confessed to killing her and said he will lead police to her body.
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Confusion Reigns in Natalee Holloway Case
A barrage of conflicting reports from Aruban officials over the weekend concerning the fate of Alabama honor student Natalee Holloway sent news reporters scrambling to determine whether or not the teenager's death has been confirmed and her body located. Her family denies that the body has been found.
Saturday afternoon Fox News quoted Aruban Minister of Justice Edward Croes confirming Holloway's death and saying authorities know the location of her body. Reportedly, Natalee's father was with investigators looking for her body. However, a few hours later Fox News reported that same official denied making that statement.
Croes said that he was the victim of a "misinformation campaign."
It was Croes who called late Friday reports 'lies" that one of the three men who took Alabama teen Natalee Holloway to the beach the night she disappeared confessed that "something bad" happened to the teen and would lead authorities to her body.
The Associated Press reported late Friday night that Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig said that the man was leading police to the scene of the crime. The report did not say which of the three students confessed. CNN "confirmed" this report and continued to report the confession throughout the day.
Dompig said one of the three admitted that "something bad" had happened to the honor student who was in Aruba with her senior class. She disappeared May 30 when she failed to show up for a return flight home.
Conflicting Reports
Then Justice Minister Rudy Croes told reporters early Saturday morning that the rumor that one of the students had confessed was a lie, throwing the media on the island into confusion and prompting conflicting news alerts from the Caribbean. Croes emphatically denied that any confession had been made.
Three men who admitted they were with Holloway on the night she disappeared in Aruba were arrested Thursday in connection with the case. The three are Satish Kalpoe, 18, and his brother, Deepak, 21, and Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot, 17.
The three men appeared in court Saturday and a judge determined that there was enough evidence to continue to hold them in custody.
Meanwhile, another report said a sixth man had been arrested in connection with the case, but later reports said that arrest had nothing to do with the Holloway disappearance.
http://crime.about.com/b/(...)ee-holloway-case.htm
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/US_teen_missing_in_Aruba_feared_dead
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ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- A judge ruled Saturday to keep in custody three youths arrested earlier this week in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, a government official said.
The decision allows police and prosecutors eight days to continue their investigation into 18-year-old Natalee Holloway's disappearance, the official said.
The judge was flown in from the neighboring island of Curacao, a step not considered unusual in high-profile cases, said Aruba government spokesman Rueben Trappenberg. He explained that government officials want to ensure everything is done properly.
Defense attorneys have come to the defense of the young men, saying they have maintained their innocence.
"My client keeps on saying he is not guilty," said attorney David Kock, who represents 18-year-old Satish Kalpoe. He added that as far as he knew, none of the three have admitted guilt.
Kock said, "There's a girl missing, so everybody assumes that a crime has been committed."
Antonio Carlo represents Joran Van Der Sloot, the son of an Aruban judge. Carlo said the teen "has admitted to no crime whatsoever. My client has maintained that he is innocent."
Asked how Van Der Sloot was faring, Carlo said, "He is a 17-year-old boy. His detention is, of course, having an effect on him emotionally, but he is holding strong."
He said Van Der Sloot had been in contact with his mother and was assisting in the investigation. Both attorneys refused to comment on details of the investigation.
Van der Sloot, Kalpoe and Kalpoe's 21-year-old brother Depak were the last to be seen with Holloway. They were spotted leaving the popular Carlos'N Charlie's nightclub in the early hours of May 30.
A senior police official told CNN there had been "a breakthrough amounting to a confession, or some sort of confession" in relation to the case, but did not say who made it.
Prosecutors refused to confirm or deny reports of a confession.
Law enforcement sources close to the investigation said there has not been a confession, but that cracks are appearing in the three suspects' stories.
Spokeswoman Vivian Van Der Biezen said only that the investigation was at a "very crucial" point.
Aruba Prime Minister Nelson Oduber said no one had informed him of a confession, but noted that type of information is not something he would learn of during this stage of investigation.
He said early Saturday that there was no search for a body or remains.
"Investigators will continue early in the morning doing their job," Oduber said.
Late Friday, a senior police official told CNN that one of the three youths police took into custody Thursday had confessed to killing Holloway.
The Mountain Brook, Alabama, resident was in Aruba with more than 100 classmates and seven chaperones celebrating high school graduation.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door observer777 op 09-02-2008 01:06:33 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
So?quote:Op zaterdag 9 februari 2008 00:16 schreef johan555 het volgende:
face book !
JORAN ADVERTISES ON FACEBOOK THAT HE ATTENDS MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, BUT THE TRUTH IS JORAN LIVED IN ARUBA AND WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL
[ afbeelding ]
Most people lie on the internet.
Yvonne riep ergens: Static is gewoon Static, je leeft met hem of niet.
Geen verborgen agenda's, trouw, grote muil, lief hartje, bang voor bloed, scheld FA's graag uit voor lul.
Op dinsdag 26 oktober 2021 16:46 schreef Elan het volgende:
Hier sta ik dan weer niet van te kijken Zelfs het virus is bang voor jou.
Geen verborgen agenda's, trouw, grote muil, lief hartje, bang voor bloed, scheld FA's graag uit voor lul.
Op dinsdag 26 oktober 2021 16:46 schreef Elan het volgende:
Hier sta ik dan weer niet van te kijken Zelfs het virus is bang voor jou.
Shocking, so the case was solved in June 2005 but somehow the confession and the body of Natalee was 'lost'... how strange...
WEB / [HaxBall #64] Jos is God
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Mede-Fokkers:
Ik moet toch wat zeggen over de ScaredMonkeys.
Deze mensen zitten vanaf begin bovenop de zaak.
Dag en nacht zijn ze Nederlandse en Arubaanse kranten / journaals / talkshows / OM documenten aan het naspitten.
Ze verstaan er niets van maar ze gooien het in de automatische vertalers en gaan analyseren.
Er moet iemand zijn die Nederlands kan want uiteindelijk komen ze met een vrijwel correcte vertaling.
Dus ook vanuit Papiamento, nou dat is geen wereldtaaltje natuurlijk - ook dat gaat in de automatische vertaler. Gescande documenten, tikken ze dus uit in in het Papiamento.
Het is werkelijk ongelovelijk waar deze mensen mee bezig zijn.
Bijvoorbeeld: die uitzending Pauw & Witteman met het wijnincident.
Die uitzending wordt bekeken, volledig geanalyseerd op body language, alles wordt er bij gehaald.
Zelfs de comments die wij Nederlanders plaatsen op de site van Pauw&Witteman worden geanalyseerd en besproken.
Deze mensen weten denk ik 100x zoveel over het eiland Aruba alleen al dan de gemiddelde Nederlander en misschien wel de gemiddelde Arubaan ook.
Er zijn vast monkeys bij die de landkaart van Aruba kunnen dromen.
Ondertussen hebben ze ook nog een radiostation.
Paar dagen geleden was Jug Twitty (stiefvader) daar zelfs te gast.
Ze hebben overigens ook contact met Beth.
Terwijl dit allemaal aan de gang is moeten ze zich ook nog verdedigen tegen grofste beschuldigingen die hier en daar tegen Natalee en de Holloway / Twitty familie worden gemaakt.
Bijvoorbeeld dat de familie lekker financieel zit binnen te lopen dankzij het verlies van hun dochter...
Volgens mij is het Joran die overal een slaatje uit probeert te slaan.
Vanaf begin af aan vertrouwden ze de boel niet.
En pas nu blijkt dat ze er mogelijk helemaal niet ver naast hebben gezeten want reguliere media begint het ook langzaam te begrijpen.
Natuurlijk zijn er de wildste speculaties, maar ook die worden door en door geanalyseerd en onder de loep gehouden.
Op Fok! geven we Fok!awards.
Nou mensen als deze lui geen award verdienen weet ik het niet meer.
Ik kom overigens pas sinds een week op die site maar werkelijk dit is indrukwekkend hoor.
Ik hoop dat ze contact kunnnen leggen met Peter R. de Vries want ze hebben werkelijk waardevole informatie.
Natuurlijk zullen ze er ook naast zitten hoor, maar ze zijn tenminste enorm fanatiek bezig de waarheid boven tafel te krijgen.
Ze zijn zeer teleurgesteld in het OM op Aruba en ze verdienen echt alle kudo's voor waar ze mee bezig zijn.
Een heleboel Amerikanen daar in hun studeerkamers, zolders en weet ik waar ze allemaal zitten zijn mogelijk een enorme blunder die zich afspeelt binnen het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden aan het oplossen, of ik moet zeggen natuurlijk een poging daartoe.
Ik ga geen linkjes plaatsen naar voorbeelden maar ik plaats alleen dit linkje naar een topic ten tijde van het wijnincident:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2512.msg327217#msg327217 (dit is tijdens de Pauw & Witteman uitzending - het wijnincident moet nog komen).
gooi voor de grap eens Peter R. de Vries in de automatische translator:
Godfather R. the Freeze
zo noemen sommigen hem op SM.
< einde reclame >
Observer: i just had to give me opinion about SM, you know i am very impressed about all the information you guys are gathering and analyzing.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Caesu op 09-02-2008 01:28:05 ]
Ik moet toch wat zeggen over de ScaredMonkeys.
Deze mensen zitten vanaf begin bovenop de zaak.
Dag en nacht zijn ze Nederlandse en Arubaanse kranten / journaals / talkshows / OM documenten aan het naspitten.
Ze verstaan er niets van maar ze gooien het in de automatische vertalers en gaan analyseren.
Er moet iemand zijn die Nederlands kan want uiteindelijk komen ze met een vrijwel correcte vertaling.
Dus ook vanuit Papiamento, nou dat is geen wereldtaaltje natuurlijk - ook dat gaat in de automatische vertaler. Gescande documenten, tikken ze dus uit in in het Papiamento.
Het is werkelijk ongelovelijk waar deze mensen mee bezig zijn.
Bijvoorbeeld: die uitzending Pauw & Witteman met het wijnincident.
Die uitzending wordt bekeken, volledig geanalyseerd op body language, alles wordt er bij gehaald.
Zelfs de comments die wij Nederlanders plaatsen op de site van Pauw&Witteman worden geanalyseerd en besproken.
Deze mensen weten denk ik 100x zoveel over het eiland Aruba alleen al dan de gemiddelde Nederlander en misschien wel de gemiddelde Arubaan ook.
Er zijn vast monkeys bij die de landkaart van Aruba kunnen dromen.
Ondertussen hebben ze ook nog een radiostation.
Paar dagen geleden was Jug Twitty (stiefvader) daar zelfs te gast.
Ze hebben overigens ook contact met Beth.
Terwijl dit allemaal aan de gang is moeten ze zich ook nog verdedigen tegen grofste beschuldigingen die hier en daar tegen Natalee en de Holloway / Twitty familie worden gemaakt.
Bijvoorbeeld dat de familie lekker financieel zit binnen te lopen dankzij het verlies van hun dochter...
Volgens mij is het Joran die overal een slaatje uit probeert te slaan.
Vanaf begin af aan vertrouwden ze de boel niet.
En pas nu blijkt dat ze er mogelijk helemaal niet ver naast hebben gezeten want reguliere media begint het ook langzaam te begrijpen.
Natuurlijk zijn er de wildste speculaties, maar ook die worden door en door geanalyseerd en onder de loep gehouden.
Op Fok! geven we Fok!awards.
Nou mensen als deze lui geen award verdienen weet ik het niet meer.
Ik kom overigens pas sinds een week op die site maar werkelijk dit is indrukwekkend hoor.
Ik hoop dat ze contact kunnnen leggen met Peter R. de Vries want ze hebben werkelijk waardevole informatie.
Natuurlijk zullen ze er ook naast zitten hoor, maar ze zijn tenminste enorm fanatiek bezig de waarheid boven tafel te krijgen.
Ze zijn zeer teleurgesteld in het OM op Aruba en ze verdienen echt alle kudo's voor waar ze mee bezig zijn.
Een heleboel Amerikanen daar in hun studeerkamers, zolders en weet ik waar ze allemaal zitten zijn mogelijk een enorme blunder die zich afspeelt binnen het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden aan het oplossen, of ik moet zeggen natuurlijk een poging daartoe.
Ik ga geen linkjes plaatsen naar voorbeelden maar ik plaats alleen dit linkje naar een topic ten tijde van het wijnincident:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2512.msg327217#msg327217 (dit is tijdens de Pauw & Witteman uitzending - het wijnincident moet nog komen).
gooi voor de grap eens Peter R. de Vries in de automatische translator:
Godfather R. the Freeze
zo noemen sommigen hem op SM.
< einde reclame >
Observer: i just had to give me opinion about SM, you know i am very impressed about all the information you guys are gathering and analyzing.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Caesu op 09-02-2008 01:28:05 ]
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam in his new book KPA-Quo Vadis 2,3
To exculpate the son of Paul vd Sloot, the commissioner and fiscal falsely arrested two ex security guards
Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005
ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.
According to Zaandam, the nominations - of among others Commissioners Bernardina, Dompig, Hassel and Richardson, along with 34 high-rank 1st class inspectors - which are against the law and hierarchy of the KPA [police corps], have serious consequences for the quality and integrity of work in KPA.
Accoding to Zaandam, none of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation.
Police at the top of political list
According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP.
He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam.
He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaandam, this should not be work for a commissioner.
BLUNDER
Zaandam continues talking about the blunder under which the 3 youngsters were questioned, which should have been a simple case, but one that resulted in KPA’s biggest blunder, due to the deceiptfulness of JvdS, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, they remained free another 12 days.
FALSE ARREST
Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels). To exculpate the son of Paul, the CvP and fiscal chief prosecutor Karen Jansen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John , called this a ‘tactical maneuver’ , and denied them their freedom for another 10 days.
This, continues Zaandam in his book, is the issue here. However, he has much more to tell regarding the case of Natalee Holloway.
[translated by Getagrip]
// posted by Getagrip @ 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM
http://getagripmonkey.blo(...)pmonkey_archive.html
To exculpate the son of Paul vd Sloot, the commissioner and fiscal falsely arrested two ex security guards
Bon Dia Aruba
9/19/2005
ORANJESTAD – The police corps committed a blunder in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. According to ex-commissioner Stanley Zaandam, who dedicates attention to the case here and also in his upcoming publication.
According to Zaandam, the nominations - of among others Commissioners Bernardina, Dompig, Hassel and Richardson, along with 34 high-rank 1st class inspectors - which are against the law and hierarchy of the KPA [police corps], have serious consequences for the quality and integrity of work in KPA.
Accoding to Zaandam, none of the high-ranked commissioners has the qualifications nor experience to conduct a judicial investigation.
Police at the top of political list
According to Zaandam, Commissioner Dompig is under the instruction of Minister Rudy Croes, of MEP.
He also states that 20 other policemen were ranked high on a political list. Five others (…) among them Commissioner Hassell, according to Zaandam.
He also claims this is how Commissioner vd Straten was appointed to this case. However, according to Zaandam, this should not be work for a commissioner.
BLUNDER
Zaandam continues talking about the blunder under which the 3 youngsters were questioned, which should have been a simple case, but one that resulted in KPA’s biggest blunder, due to the deceiptfulness of JvdS, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, they remained free another 12 days.
FALSE ARREST
Zaandam keeps on saying in his book, two days after 5/29, the body of Natalee H. may have already been found and Cvp [police commissioner] looked the other way to do a favour for Paul vd Sloot (ex of chief staff of Cabinet PG [prosecutor general] J. Zwinkels). To exculpate the son of Paul, the CvP and fiscal chief prosecutor Karen Jansen made the false arrest of two ex-security guards, Jones and John , called this a ‘tactical maneuver’ , and denied them their freedom for another 10 days.
This, continues Zaandam in his book, is the issue here. However, he has much more to tell regarding the case of Natalee Holloway.
[translated by Getagrip]
// posted by Getagrip @ 9/19/2005 12:18:00 PM
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Paulus van der Sloot
Pauw & Witteman Show
January 11, 2008
Paulus: Well look uhhhh… Mister De Vries can’t hear that good… If he would have listened carefully he would have heard that Joran said that he didn’t have any confidence in the OM (public pros.)! That’s what Joran has said. Joran didn’t talk about the judicial authorities. What you see now.., what has happened is that luckely we have judicial authorities… And we sit here again! So in the end it’s because of the judicial authorities that all has ended well.
Translation: EURobert - SM FP Poster/Monkey
http://scaredmonkeys.net/(...);topicseen#msg328035
Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005
GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html
Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA - TWAN HUYS
June 28, 2005
VAN DER SLOOT: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.
HUYS: Who was that in your case?
VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.
HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.
VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.
HUYS: And you know each other very well?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes
Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA
June 28, 2005
JUDICIARY
Reporter (Twan Huys): Which function do you have here at the island? Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?
Paulus van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.
Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you are replacement judge?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE
Reporter (Twan Huys): Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [2].
Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you also know the current prosecutor general?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Mrs. Croes.
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
ARUBAN LAW ENFORCEMENT
Reporter (Twan Huys): Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?
Paulus van der Sloot: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Who was that in your case?
Paulus van der Sloot: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Jan van der Straaten.
Paulus van der Sloot: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.
Reporter (Twan Huys): And you know each other very well?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
Translation Credit: Dugo - Riehl Worldview
Pauw & Witteman Show
January 11, 2008
Paulus: Well look uhhhh… Mister De Vries can’t hear that good… If he would have listened carefully he would have heard that Joran said that he didn’t have any confidence in the OM (public pros.)! That’s what Joran has said. Joran didn’t talk about the judicial authorities. What you see now.., what has happened is that luckely we have judicial authorities… And we sit here again! So in the end it’s because of the judicial authorities that all has ended well.
Translation: EURobert - SM FP Poster/Monkey
http://scaredmonkeys.net/(...);topicseen#msg328035
Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005
GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?
MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html
Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA - TWAN HUYS
June 28, 2005
VAN DER SLOOT: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.
HUYS: Who was that in your case?
VAN DER SLOOT: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.
HUYS: Jan van der Straaten.
VAN DER SLOOT: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.
HUYS: And you know each other very well?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes
Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA
June 28, 2005
JUDICIARY
Reporter (Twan Huys): Which function do you have here at the island? Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?
Paulus van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.
Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you are replacement judge?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE
Reporter (Twan Huys): Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [2].
Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you also know the current prosecutor general?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Mrs. Croes.
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
ARUBAN LAW ENFORCEMENT
Reporter (Twan Huys): Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?
Paulus van der Sloot: That gives a feeling of absurdity. It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Who was that in your case?
Paulus van der Sloot: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.
Reporter (Twan Huys): Jan van der Straaten.
Paulus van der Sloot: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.
Reporter (Twan Huys): And you know each other very well?
Paulus van der Sloot: Yes.
Translation Credit: Dugo - Riehl Worldview
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Geef maar kudos aan een paar gekken met te veel tijd en een eigen radiostation. De twin tower maniakken hebben dat ook ... een obsessie is nooit goed.quote:Op zaterdag 9 februari 2008 01:14 schreef Caesu het volgende:
Observer: i just had to give me opinion about SM, you know i am very impressed about all the information you guys are gathering and analyzing.
“I'm in trouble because I'm normal and slightly arrogant. A lot of people don't like themselves and I happen to be totally in love with myself.”
Thankyou Caesu! If we had given up then it would of all been forgotten,Natalee would never be found and there would be no justice. We are up against a Govt spending millions in a misinformation/slander campaign against this victim and her family. If we don't try and help who will?quote:Op zaterdag 9 februari 2008 02:00 schreef -MyLove- het volgende:
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Geef maar kudos aan een paar gekken met te veel tijd en een eigen radiostation. De twin tower maniakken hebben dat ook ... een obsessie is nooit goed.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
wat vind je van de obsessie van Natalee's moeder Beth om te weten te komen wat met haar dochter is gebeurd?quote:Op zaterdag 9 februari 2008 02:00 schreef -MyLove- het volgende:
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Geef maar kudos aan een paar gekken met te veel tijd en een eigen radiostation. De twin tower maniakken hebben dat ook ... een obsessie is nooit goed.
als zij geen enorme mediacampagne was begonnen, was Natalee waarschijnlijk maar heel kort in het nieuws geweest, had Peter R. de zaak niet opgepikt, was Patrick al helemaal niet op Joran afgestapt en was de zaak nooit opgelost - of misschien wel: de officieele verklaring was dat ze gewoon op strand plotseling overleden was...
en Joran kon op jacht naar nieuwe prooien.
ik heb groot respect voor de scaredmonkeys, lees mijn bericht hierboven nog maar eens.
maak een topic erover en geef aan waar je het precies niet mee eens bent.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
It was actually Joran who said that.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 09:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Deepak Quotes from the police car tapes
If they find the girl they will see the shit!
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He is threatening Deepak and Satish that he's going to incriminate them. He is frustrated because they didnt stick to the story. He is then bluffing, saying he can get them into trouble also, so they better comply and do as he says.
Deepak and Satish are laughing at him, they basically say 'We have nothing to fear, we just tell the truth, simple as that'. They call his bluff more or less.
This makes Joran even more angry and he then makes a mistake:
Joran knows that if the police finds the body then "they will see that shit". We dont know what "that shit" is exactly but stands to reason that the body will have obvious signs of foul play.quote:Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. En if they find the girl, then we shall see
Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
[...]
Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.
Police car conversation
The way Joran tries to use this to threaten the two brothers shows that they have no knowledge of this.
This correlates with what Joran said to Patrick in the De Vries tapes:
"Ik heb mazzel gehad. Als ze haar vinden, ben ik de lul."
(I have been lucky'. If they find her, I'm fucked.)
And why Joran in one of his early statements claimed that Natalee hit her head on the street pavement when she tripped getting out of their car. (to account for a head wound)
And there are more refrences to this:
"she accidentally hit her head" "Then she fell and hit her head on something." [source]
Did Joran bash her head in? Brain injury would certainly explain the convulsions.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door NorthernStar op 09-02-2008 02:39:41 ]
Your exacly right NS! There was one of the parents and friend of the family who was in Aruba the first few days and a teacher told them that Joran hit Natalee in the head with a baseball bat..No idea if true or not..But Interesting..We also learned those first few days Joran was sleeping at his school and not his home. As I posted there is several references from PJK2 about her hitting her head,It very well could be what Joran means if they find the girl,they will see the shit. We know Deepak says to him if they find the girl you will get 15 years! Why 15 years? In Satish's PV he does not go to school and sleeps until 1pm and the first thing he asked his brother Deepak is hows the girl? I tend to believe Satish went home and Deepak was there and saw everything. PVDS was on the computer researching drugs and alcohol that first night also. Not suprising the computer had a virus and most everything was erased and damaged. We did see that someone logged in as Val at 3am on x-plane,so he could have been the alibi on the computer or perhaps someone else. All of this on a school night on a sunday?
Yes,The brain injury could cause convulsions. Add in the reports of blood in the car and the missing shoes and that very well may be a piece of the puzzle. If she died of a natural death or OD why did they lie,cover up and hide the body forever. Why didn't they call a ambulance?
Yes,The brain injury could cause convulsions. Add in the reports of blood in the car and the missing shoes and that very well may be a piece of the puzzle. If she died of a natural death or OD why did they lie,cover up and hide the body forever. Why didn't they call a ambulance?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
i think, val= valentine, the younger brother of joran, but i cannot imagine he is awake in the middle of the night, someone just used his account.
Blood in Deepak's car was announced by the Minsiter of Justice Rudy Croes,Prime Minsiter Oduber,FBI and ALE..We know later they said it turned out to be chocolate. How could so many people mistake blood for chocolate,how could the neat freak Deepak allow chocolate all over his car? The FBI says there was blood in the trunk of the vehicle as well,we were told later that it turned out to be rust. A PI for the family found out Deepak was looking into long term storage for this vehicle and there is eye witnesses that saw Deepak and two others franticly washing and cleaning the car at 3AM in a very strange part of the house shortly after NH vanished.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2016.0
We know they cut squares out of one of those cars on the seat and headliner. We also saw the Aruban Newspaper article that blood was found in one of the sloot vehicles. Not sure if the article was a typo or not.
The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html
Back to Beth Twitty, Natalee`s mom. I want to talk to you about the prime minister`s statement, the Aruban prime minister, who went public and stated there was blood found in the car. Remember?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes, absolutely.
GRACE: What happened?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?
Somebody -- you know, that`s the reason there`s no evidence. Had they gone to the -- and impounded that car that day -- the FBI told us there was blood all in the car. The prosecutor said the FBI said there was blood in the car. But for some reason or another, when they sent it off, they say now it`s all cleaning fluid. Well, who knows. I know they had nine days to clean the car.
Natalee Holloway: ... BLOOD WAS FOUND IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR. ... of the suspect's cars to see if it was Holloway's blood. ...ABC NEWS
Authorities were overheard on a police frequency Sunday evening issuing a bulletin to stop a rented white Toyota in connection with the disappearance of the 5-foot-4-inch blonde. Dompig declined to confirm it.
Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: "That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That's what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159711,00.html
Aruban officials did ask the FBI, however, to analyze a DNA sample from the backseat of one of the suspect's cars to see if it was Holloway's blood. The blood was flown to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., but tests came back negative for blood.
An FBI spokeswoman also confirmed that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the Quantico lab. However, FBI agents are being included in police briefings, and one agent is being allowed to observe interviews with the suspects through a live video feed or through glass.
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Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's carJune 9, 2005
3 page report
Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba
Laboratory Report (blood sample)
June 9, 2005
Blood Samples
COMPARISON FBI – Quantico
The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html
The next day, June 10, 2005, DNA samples were taken from Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway in Aruba. June 10, 2005 brought us another important occurrence in this case – a confession was made by one of the suspects arrested the previous day.
Chief of Police, Gerold Dompig
CBS NEWS
June 10, 2005
http://www.cbsnews.com/st(...)nal/main700829.shtml
Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
Paul Reynolds - Natalee Holloway's Uncle
'Scarborough Country'
July 12, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822
PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process. However, if Aruban spokespeople were to be believed, there was not blood, but rather cleaning fluid found inside Deepak’s car – and the confession was merely a “misinformation campaign.”
FOX NEWS
June 11, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html
David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body. However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2016.0
We know they cut squares out of one of those cars on the seat and headliner. We also saw the Aruban Newspaper article that blood was found in one of the sloot vehicles. Not sure if the article was a typo or not.
The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html
Back to Beth Twitty, Natalee`s mom. I want to talk to you about the prime minister`s statement, the Aruban prime minister, who went public and stated there was blood found in the car. Remember?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes, absolutely.
GRACE: What happened?
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Absolutely. That`s what I would love to know. On June 11, he states on international media in front of me -- I had no idea what he was about to disclose -- that there was blood in the Kalpoes` vehicle, there was DNA, there was blood. Where is that? Even (INAUDIBLE) went so far to cut interior portions from the car -- the back seat, the ceiling. You know, what happened with that?
Somebody -- you know, that`s the reason there`s no evidence. Had they gone to the -- and impounded that car that day -- the FBI told us there was blood all in the car. The prosecutor said the FBI said there was blood in the car. But for some reason or another, when they sent it off, they say now it`s all cleaning fluid. Well, who knows. I know they had nine days to clean the car.
Natalee Holloway: ... BLOOD WAS FOUND IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR. ... of the suspect's cars to see if it was Holloway's blood. ...ABC NEWS
Authorities were overheard on a police frequency Sunday evening issuing a bulletin to stop a rented white Toyota in connection with the disappearance of the 5-foot-4-inch blonde. Dompig declined to confirm it.
Art Wood, a retired Secret Service agent helping the Holloway family investigate the case, said: "That blood was sent to Holland and it came back as being cleaning fluid and chocolate. That's what the test results show. But an Aruban police officer who worked on the investigation told me there was definitely blood in that car. I think the wrong sample was deliberately sent to Holland.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159711,00.html
Aruban officials did ask the FBI, however, to analyze a DNA sample from the backseat of one of the suspect's cars to see if it was Holloway's blood. The blood was flown to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va., but tests came back negative for blood.
An FBI spokeswoman also confirmed that Aruban officials have not requested more evidence processing at the Quantico lab. However, FBI agents are being included in police briefings, and one agent is being allowed to observe interviews with the suspects through a live video feed or through glass.
------------------------------------------------
Search for blood in Deepak Kalpoe's carJune 9, 2005
3 page report
Divisie Centrale Recherche, Aruba
Laboratory Report (blood sample)
June 9, 2005
Blood Samples
COMPARISON FBI – Quantico
The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody — the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html
The next day, June 10, 2005, DNA samples were taken from Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway in Aruba. June 10, 2005 brought us another important occurrence in this case – a confession was made by one of the suspects arrested the previous day.
Chief of Police, Gerold Dompig
CBS NEWS
June 10, 2005
http://www.cbsnews.com/st(...)nal/main700829.shtml
Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
Paul Reynolds - Natalee Holloway's Uncle
'Scarborough Country'
July 12, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551822
PAUL REYNOLDS, UNCLE OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I know that my sister had a meeting with the FBI June 10, Friday. And from that meeting, she became convinced that Natalee was no longer alive. She called her mother and told her that. And our family was—was—began the grieving process. However, if Aruban spokespeople were to be believed, there was not blood, but rather cleaning fluid found inside Deepak’s car – and the confession was merely a “misinformation campaign.”
FOX NEWS
June 11, 2005
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html
David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice (search) told FOX News Natalee Holloway (search), who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body. However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a "misinformation campaign."
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Yes,could be..We don't even know for sure that he wasn't in holland with the mom and younger brother. There were rumors that Freddy stayed the night at the sloot house also. I do not know if that is true or not. Somewhere in all of this is Guido. He is also involved. His arrest for suspicion of heavy battery and murder in 2006 is very interesting.MOquote:Op zaterdag 9 februari 2008 02:58 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
i think, val= valentine, the younger brother of joran, but i cannot imagine he is awake in the middle of the night, someone just used his account.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
No, and even if her head injury was an accident there would be absolutely no need to dispose of the body. The fact that Joran and his accomplices made that choice is an admission of foul play.quote:Op zaterdag 9 februari 2008 02:47 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Your exacly right NS! There was one of the parents and friend of the family who was in Aruba the first few days and a teacher told them that Joran hit Natalee in the head with a baseball bat..No idea if true or not..But Interesting..We also learned those first few days Joran was sleeping at his school and not his home. As I posted there is several references from PJK2 about her hitting her head,It very well could be what Joran means if they find the girl,they will see the shit. We know Deepak says to him if they find the girl you will get 15 years! Why 15 years? In Satish's PV he does not go to school and sleeps until 1pm and the first thing he asked his brother Deepak is hows the girl? I tend to believe Satish went home and Deepak was there and saw everything. PVDS was on the computer researching drugs and alcohol that first night also. Not suprising the computer had a virus and most everything was erased and damaged. We did see that someone logged in as Val at 3am on x-plane,so he could have been the alibi on the computer or perhaps someone else. All of this on a school night on a sunday?
Yes,The brain injury could cause convulsions. Add in the reports of blood in the car and the missing shoes and that very well may be a piece of the puzzle. If she died of a natural death or OD why did they lie,cover up and hide the body forever. Why didn't they call a ambulance?
The exact role of the two brothers remains obscure. There are indications that Deepaks car was used to transport the girl. That could have been from where Natalee suffered a head injury to Jorans house. From there Paulus takes charge. Deepak was send home, with instructions to clean his car, work on an alibi and such. etc. Could be.
It indeed seems Deepak knows what happened to the girl but doesnt consider himself responsible. For that he clearly points to Joran.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door NorthernStar op 09-02-2008 03:18:03 ]
Of course there is a reason to dispose of the body! AFAI can see Natalee died at the van der Sloot's house, and that would fuck up the position of the new judge in training... Most of the statements Joran and the the Kalpoe brothers have made so far seem to try to get the attention distracted from the house (to the beach), but there was a mention of the four of them (including Natalee alive) driving to the van der Sloot house in one of the earlier statements given to the police. That statement was later changed. I'd have to look up which was the original statement though...quote:Op zaterdag 9 februari 2008 03:12 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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No, and even if her head injury was an accident there would be absolutely no need to dispose of the body. The fact that Joran and his accomplices made that choice is an admission of foul play.
The exact role of the two brothers remains obscure. There are indications that Deepaks car was used to transport the girl. That could have been from where Natalee suffered a head injury to Jorans house. From there Paulus takes charge. Deepak was send home, with instructions to clean his car, work on an alibi and such. etc. Could be.
It indeed seems Deepak knows what happened to the girl but doesnt consider himself responsible. For that he clearly points to Joran.
Die statement van 14 juni 2005 heb ik hier. Ik ken de verklaringen van Joran ook inmiddels uit mijn hoofd. Word ik nu ook vereerd?quote:Op zaterdag 9 februari 2008 04:02 schreef kabouterjong het volgende:
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Of course there is a reason to dispose of the body! AFAI can see Natalee died at the van der Sloot's house, and that would fuck up the position of the new judge in training... Most of the statements Joran and the the Kalpoe brothers have made so far seem to try to get the attention distracted from the house (to the beach), but there was a mention of the four of them (including Natalee alive) driving to the van der Sloot house in one of the earlier statements given to the police. That statement was later changed. I'd have to look up which was the original statement though...
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