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Zou kunnen, hij heeft zelf wel geld verloren, ongeveer $ 250 staat ook in die FBI verklaring van Katharine Madison Whatleyquote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 19:31 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ja maar de vriendinnen hebben later een verklaring afgelegd dat Joran nooit iet s voor wie dan ook gewonnen zou hebben op die avond
Computer data Joran (May 30, 2005)
chat with Deepak:
3:25.04 am Deepak to Joran ben je der
3:25.04 am Deepak to Joran ?
3:25.38 am Deepak to Joran anyways fijn te horen dat je thuis bent ik spreek je morgen ik ga slapen
3:25.42 am Deepak to Joran take care
7 minutes and 26 seconds later
3:33.08 am Joran to Deepak hey swa (hey buddy)
3:35.32 am Joran to Deepak topa/lopa pimp hheehehe
Websites visited:
I'm off drinking
, and yes responsible 
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Ik ben niet labiel. Ik ben emotioneel flexibel.
The whole money part is a bit puzzling indeed, but I can realise that at one point these class mates wanted to tell a different story then Joran.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 19:31 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ja maar de vriendinnen hebben later een verklaring afgelegd dat Joran nooit iet s voor wie dan ook gewonnen zou hebben op die avond
Might not be relevant anyway.
- Maybe O.D.B My Long Distance Family -
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
"Computer says: no.."
"Laat hen gaan, blinden zijn zij, die blinden leiden. Indien een blinde een blinde leidt, zullen zij beiden in een put vallen". (Matteüs 15:14)
This is a simulation showing vortex formation and downstream shedding from a circular “island”. Note carefully the rotating vorticies that form and alternately sweep the downstream face of the “island”. This is our “Marriot Beach/Huts” side.
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
To me the weird thing is that she apparently got there at 20:58 and was sitting at the table around 20:25. Either thats strange or I need glasses.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 15:07 schreef Ticker het volgende:
Look at this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YA3NKpGHnqc
It shows Natalee and Joran both entering the casino, alone.
The funny thing is, the casino camera above the table says it's about 20:25.
The camera aimed at the door, shows Joran entering at 19:51.
This same camera shows on 20:58 that Natalee enters the casino.
What's up with the time differents.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
A few minutes stroll back along the beach from the Fisherman's Huts to the HI hotel.
The bushes, left, make the huts beach area slightly secluded.
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Lees die timetable nog eens... Het was een re-enter, ze ging even weg en kwam terug. Hoe ze naar buiten is gegaan is niet duidelijk.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 20:56 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
To me the weird thing is that she apparently got there at 20:58 and was sitting at the table around 20:25. Either thats strange or I need glasses.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
That's odd; the ring of prostitution comes to mind.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 17:23 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Another American Girl Missing with Aruba Connection just seven years ago
While Aruba does damage control over fears that their tourism industry may suffer, reports have surfaced that Natalee Holloway is not the only young American girl to disappear there.
Another family said they know exactly what the parents of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who has been missing in Aruba since last week, are going through.
They've been dealing with the same nightmare for seven years.
The Bradleys, of Virginia, went on a cruise in 1998 and Aruba was one of the stops. That's where their daughter disappeared.
Iva Bradley said her 23-year-old daughter, Amy, befriended three men who worked on the cruise ship and they wanted to take her to a bar in Aruba.
"They said they wanted to take her to a bar on Aruba that was called Carlos and Charlie's," said Bradley.
this is amy [ afbeelding ]
Natalee Holloway spent her last night ALSO eating and dancing at Carlos 'n Charlie's bar
Which was investigated by Brigit Katelaan.
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I´m back.
Joran van der Sloot verhoord in Rotterdam
(Novum) - Joran van der Sloot is vrijdag verhoord door rechercheurs van de Arubaanse politie. Dat heeft het Openbaar Ministerie van Aruba laten weten. Het verhoor over de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway vond plaats op een politiebureau in Rotterdam.
In het twee uur durende verhoor heeft Van der Sloot verklaard dat hij tijdens de gesprekken in de auto van Patrick van der Eem, die was ingeschakeld door misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries, onder invloed van marihuana was.
Ook wil Van der Sloot bij zijn eerdere verklaringen tegenover de politie blijven en ontkent hij dus iedere betrokkenheid bij Holloways verdwijning. Al voor de geruchtmakende uitzending van De Vries zei Joran van der Sloot dat zijn veronderstelde bekentenissen in de zaak niet de waarheid zijn.
De gesprekken met Van der Eem zijn met een verborgen camera opgenomen en hierop verklaart Van der Sloot dat hij precies weet hoe Natalee op zee werd gedumpt. Hij stelde dat de 18-jarige Amerikaanse onwel was geworden tijdens seks op het strand.
Of Van der Sloot verder wordt verhoord hangt af van de uitspraak in het beroep dat het Arubaanse OM heeft aangespannen tegen de beslissing van de rechter-commissaris. Die wees het verzoek om Van der Sloot opnieuw te arresteren af. Een uitspraak hierover wordt na het weekeinde verwacht.
Het Arubaanse OM roept de media op om terughoudend te zijn met eigen naspeuringen in de zaak. Het OM is bang dat 'bepaalde personen op intimiderende wijze worden belaagd'. "Het tot een verdachte bestempelen van willekeurige personen kan de zaak schaden", legt een woordvoerder van het OM uit. Het OM benadrukt dat met de oproep de vrije nieuwsgaring niet in gevaar hoeft komen maar dat van de pers terughoudendheid mag worden verwacht. Vorige week ontstond een volksoploop in Drachten toen ten onrechte werd gedacht dat Joran zich daar in een flat bevond.
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(Novum) - Joran van der Sloot is vrijdag verhoord door rechercheurs van de Arubaanse politie. Dat heeft het Openbaar Ministerie van Aruba laten weten. Het verhoor over de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway vond plaats op een politiebureau in Rotterdam.
In het twee uur durende verhoor heeft Van der Sloot verklaard dat hij tijdens de gesprekken in de auto van Patrick van der Eem, die was ingeschakeld door misdaadverslaggever Peter R. de Vries, onder invloed van marihuana was.
Ook wil Van der Sloot bij zijn eerdere verklaringen tegenover de politie blijven en ontkent hij dus iedere betrokkenheid bij Holloways verdwijning. Al voor de geruchtmakende uitzending van De Vries zei Joran van der Sloot dat zijn veronderstelde bekentenissen in de zaak niet de waarheid zijn.
De gesprekken met Van der Eem zijn met een verborgen camera opgenomen en hierop verklaart Van der Sloot dat hij precies weet hoe Natalee op zee werd gedumpt. Hij stelde dat de 18-jarige Amerikaanse onwel was geworden tijdens seks op het strand.
Of Van der Sloot verder wordt verhoord hangt af van de uitspraak in het beroep dat het Arubaanse OM heeft aangespannen tegen de beslissing van de rechter-commissaris. Die wees het verzoek om Van der Sloot opnieuw te arresteren af. Een uitspraak hierover wordt na het weekeinde verwacht.
Het Arubaanse OM roept de media op om terughoudend te zijn met eigen naspeuringen in de zaak. Het OM is bang dat 'bepaalde personen op intimiderende wijze worden belaagd'. "Het tot een verdachte bestempelen van willekeurige personen kan de zaak schaden", legt een woordvoerder van het OM uit. Het OM benadrukt dat met de oproep de vrije nieuwsgaring niet in gevaar hoeft komen maar dat van de pers terughoudendheid mag worden verwacht. Vorige week ontstond een volksoploop in Drachten toen ten onrechte werd gedacht dat Joran zich daar in een flat bevond.
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Oh, right. Hoezo is dat niet op de tape dan?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 21:01 schreef Atreidez het volgende:
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Lees die timetable nog eens... Het was een re-enter, ze ging even weg en kwam terug. Hoe ze naar buiten is gegaan is niet duidelijk.
I still find it very hard to believe that his dad knows and was like "Oh you threw her into the ocean? Well, Ill protect you!" My parents would call the cops
Oh, and the story about him taking Natalee to pay debts.. Wouldnt that be fucking stupid? Those people know he did that and would be like "I need you to do this and this or we'll tell this and that to the cops"
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
There is still no concrete and compelling evidence to suggest that Paul van der Sloot was a corrupt magistrate (-trainee). That it was his (Paul's) plan te dispose of the body of Natalee in the ocean and that the Aruban govt and its officials helped with, what some SM users called, a humongus cover-up.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
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Oh, right. Hoezo is dat niet op de tape dan?
I still find it very hard to believe that his dad knows and was like "Oh you threw her into the ocean? Well, Ill protect you!" My parents would call the cops [ afbeelding ]
Oh, and the story about him taking Natalee to pay debts.. Wouldnt that be fucking stupid? Those people know he did that and would be like "I need you to do this and this or we'll tell this and that to the cops"
Sure there might be corruption on Aruba, in connection with drug trafficing, as observer all ready lined out, but does this mean that they go so far as to smother a ring of serial rapist? Don't think so. Maffia kind of people are as conservative on these things as the mother of Natalee is.
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I´m back.
I gave you proof. The article I sent you was a newspaper article from Aruba's largest newspaper,I sent you the translations and also gave you the translator to do that yourself. Also a direct quote from Natalee's Mom who heard this herself from his own mouth and has spoken about it many times.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 12:29 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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A source is not a person where you heard it from.
With a source is meant hard-evidence like an article or some real documents.
Don't act like i'm blaming you anything, I just like to see your quotes backed-up instaid of sending me on the internet to look for it myself.
By the way.. you still are doing it cause you are giving me a link and saying maybe it's on there, look for it yourself.
Read the latest work of the freebirds. It is well done
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door observer777 op 08-02-2008 22:09:09 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Oohh, Im with you on this one. That's what I've been saying. They say things like "Aruba is corrupted and THEREFOR Holloway is a cover up" And that is not how we do these things.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 21:39 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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There is still no concrete and compelling evidence to suggest that Paul van der Sloot was a corrupt magistrate (-trainee). That it was his (Paul's) plan te dispose of the body of Natalee in the ocean and that the Aruban govt and its officials helped with, what some SM users called, a humongus cover-up.
Sure there might be corruption on Aruba, in connection with drug trafficing, as observer all ready lined out, but does this mean that they go so far as to smother a ring of serial rapist? Don't think so. Maffia kind of people are as conservative on these things as the mother of Natalee is.
And Im not gonna believe that his father knows everything and helped him just like that, untill they prove it. I just won't.
I liked it. I was good at it. It made me feel alive.
het OM op aruba een lachertje !!
de website bestaat sinds 2004 en er staat NIKS op
ha ha niet te geloven !
http://www.omaruba.aw/
Welkom op de website van het Openbaar Ministerie Aruba (OM). Op deze website willen wij u meer vertellen over het OM. Bij het OM werken zo’n 50 mensen. Deze mensen zijn dag in dag uit bezig met de uitvoering van de kerntaak van het OM: de strafrechtelijke handhaving van de rechtsorde in Aruba.
Lees meer over het OM Aruba
Copyright © 2004 Afdeling Voorlichting en Communicatie OM Aruba
Adres : Havenstraat 2 | Oranjestad | Aruba
Postadres : Postbus 1163 | Oranjestad | Aruba
Tel : +297 582 1415
Fax : +297 583 8891
Email : om.aruba@setarnet.aw
Ontwikkeling en Beheer : Grip MultiMedia
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:22 schreef johan555 het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]
het OM op aruba een lachertje !!
de website bestaat sinds 2004 en er staat NIKS op
niet te geloven !
http://www.omaruba.aw/
Welkom op de website van het Openbaar Ministerie Aruba (OM). Op deze website willen wij u meer vertellen over het OM. Bij het OM werken zo’n 50 mensen. Deze mensen zijn dag in dag uit bezig met de uitvoering van de kerntaak van het OM: de strafrechtelijke handhaving van de rechtsorde in Aruba.
Lees meer over het OM Aruba
Copyright © 2004 Afdeling Voorlichting en Communicatie OM Aruba
Adres : Havenstraat 2 | Oranjestad | Aruba
Postadres : Postbus 1163 | Oranjestad | Aruba
Tel : +297 582 1415
Fax : +297 583 8891
Email : om.aruba@setarnet.aw
Ontwikkeling en Beheer : Grip MultiMedia
they moved their site to a different address:
http://www.chiquitabananen.nl/nlnl/
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Caesu, perhaps I'am wrong, but aren't you an user who has sympathy for Wilders?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:32 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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they moved their site to a different address:
http://www.chiquitabananen.nl/nlnl/
I´m back.
What doya mean?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:51 schreef lipboutje het volgende:
niet? oh
I´m back.
interesting point.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:38 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Caesu, perhaps I'am wrong, but aren't you an user who has sympathy for Wilders?
but no i have no sympathy for Wilders. i disagree with him on almost every subject strongly.
i do however agree with Hero Brinkman (PVV) that Aruba en the Antilles are full with corruption and drugs smugling and maybe worse. i don't support putting those islands on e-bay, but i do however support i big cleaning up operation on those islands.
i suspect the entire dutch parliament knows Hero Brinkman has a point.
but they are afraid to side with the PVV because they are afraid to be affailiated with this party because of other more extreme views on muslims for example.
what do you think?
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Perhaps these ilses need some cleansing; but I don't think you shoud walk away from it. So I' m not siding with the PVV. They want to part with it, amongst other things because of the corruption.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 22:58 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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interesting point.
but now i have no sympathy for Wilders. i disagree with him on almost every subject strongly.
i do however agree with Hero Brinkman (PVV) that Aruba en the Antilles are full with corruption and drugs smugling and maybe worse. i don't support putting those islands on e-bay, but i do however support i big cleaning up operation on those islands.
i suspect the entire dutch parliament knows Hero Brinkman has a point.
but they are afraid to side with the PVV because they are afraid to be affailiated with this party because of other more extreme views on muslims for example.
what do you think?
I´m back.
yes, that's what i mean. not abandon those islands, that goes too far.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 23:10 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Perhaps these ilses need some cleansing; but I don't think you shoud walk away from it. So I' m not siding with the PVV. They want to part with it, amongst other things because of the corruption.
so much drugs comes via the ABC islands to Europa.
yesterday we saw how easy it is to smuggle on airplanes on Schiphol Airport (no adequate security).
but i find the PVV is the only party to bring this up. (the problems on the ABC and in lesser extent SSS islands)
the coalition party's disagrees per definition with the PVV.
so if the PVV has one idea which may have some valid aspects - other party's (especially the government coalition party's) struck it down by default.
i think this is the bigger picture.
maybe seemingly unrelated to Natalee.
but i reallly think a culture of drugs and corruption enables persons like Joran to exploit the situation and cause havoc.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
Judge Bob Witt Judicial associate of Paulus van der Sloot changed the search warrant on the spot from the entire VDS residence to a small part of the property,Joran's little apt and the two cars. High Ranking official Ben Vocking(King)laid low for two weeks purportedly staying at the Van der Sloot residence. He surfaced on June 15, 2005 at the door of the Van der Sloot home with Dutch Judge Bob Wit to block the search of the Van der Sloot property when the police and prosecution authorities arrived with a full search warrant. It wasn't until two years later that the VDS house was fully searched.
Judge Bob Wit intervened again eight days later when Joran’s father Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested for reasonable suspicion in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, once again blocking a search of the Van Der Sloot home. Without question Bob Wit knew Paulus van der Sloot - they worked on cases together and appear to be very good friends judging from such an outrageous ruling. Since when do arrested murder suspects get immunity from having their houses searched? Judge Bob Wit needs to answer this question in the open forum of the Caribbean Court of Justice, rather than hide behind the opaque wall of Dutch law
Judge Rick Smid– Reportedly a friend of PVDS who stayed at VDS home. It was Judge Rick Smid who released the three suspects and gave them an unconditional release granting them immunity from further questioning in the case. On August 30, 2005 Judge Smid issued a ruling that Joran should be held another 30 days, flew back to Curacao and immediately faxed in a reversal of his ruling. Police statements and secret recordings of the three suspects suggest intimate knowledge of "something bad" happening to Holloway. He was also aware that Joran van der Sloot had lied repeatedly in his police statements and conflicting statements from all the suspects. Judge Rick Smid chose to ignore this and grant immunity instead. Upon his release, Joran van der Sloot fled the island of Aruba to Holland where he currently resides. As we know none of the suspects have ever been questioned again. Including Paul Van Der Sloot where it was ruled by Aruba's highest court that he had two contacts with Natalee Holloway including at 4am two hours after his son said he left her at the beach.
Jan van der Straaten-Police Chief for the Aruba Police Department and close friend of Paulus van der Sloot . Jan van der Straten's role as lead investigator in the first two months of the Natalee Holloway case demonstrates the obvious conflicts of interest found in the Aruba investigation. Van der Straaten was, by Paulus van der Sloot's own public admission, a "close friend" of Van der Sloot and worked for PVDS years earlier. We know PVDS and JVDS were in constant contact during the Investigation and we know the bogus evidence that got the security guards arrested was by Gerald Dompig's brother-in law who also states he saw Natalee Holloway with cocaine. Both are definite flat out lies. Van der Straten would have been very instrumental in the decision not to arrest the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance until 10 days after she vanished, even though he knew immediately that they lied about dropping the Alabama teen off at the Holiday Inn.Van der Straten would have also been involved in the decision to arrest two black security guards on June 5, 2005 which in effect prolonged the time given to the three suspects to cover their tracks and eliminate any evidence that should have been collected immediately upon the discovery of the Holiday Inn lie.Van der Straten stated to Dutch media on June 12, 2005 that he believed Natalee was no longer alive and when asked by the reporter why he would make such a comment he responded, "Because I know the evidence and you don't. Interestingly, two years later the lead investigator has never explained what that evidence is.He also made comment months after we were told he was retiring and moved to the neighboring island of Bonaire as he took the same title as Police Commissioner. He stated that the case should have been solved early on but that there were "people who didn't want to cooperate." Since suspects rarely cooperate, Van der Straten had to have been talking about a corrupt Aruban government and Dutch judiciary. Any high-ranking official with such a close relationship to a suspect's parent should have recused himself or alternately been forced off the case, but this is Aruba, a country in the grip of Mafia control who never saw a conflict of interest they didn't like.
From Joran's Book
Van der Straaten arrives and tells Joran that he "has known your father for years. I only want to help you. I am going to see to it that you can go to Holland, that you will not have to go to jail, but that you will be committed to a mental institution. You only have to tell the truth."
posted on 06/12/2005
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UPDATE 24: Tuesday night during the broadcast of the most popular entertainment news program in The Netherlands, RTL-Boulevard, crime reporter John van den Heuvel announced that he talked to police commissioner Jan van der Straten, who is heading the investigation. The commissioner told van den Heuvel that they expect the case of Natalee Holloway to be solved within the next 24 hours.
Aruban Who's Who
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
is this december or june 2005?quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 23:21 schreef observer777 het volgende:
posted on 06/12/2005
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UPDATE 24: Tuesday night during the broadcast of the most popular entertainment news program in The Netherlands, RTL-Boulevard, crime reporter John van den Heuvel announced that he talked to police commissioner Jan van der Straten, who is heading the investigation. The commissioner told van den Heuvel that they expect the case of Natalee Holloway to be solved within the next 24 hours.
if it is june 2005 i find this very remarkable... (nonetheless if it is december it is remarkable too)
this was right around the time they kept Beth and Jug asking questions wether Natalee had a history with epilepsy / seizures. to which they repeatedly said NO!
why did van Straten think he was going to solve it 24 hours??????
because he thought he would be able to make a natural death out of it???
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
It was June 2005! I think just a day or two later in Joran's book is where he told Joran all you have to do is tell the truth and I will see you never go to prison but instead to a mental institution. Remember it was announces all over American media Joran confessed on June 10th,something bad happened and they were retreaving her body. Some newspapers reported her as confirmed dead. Then the next day it was said it was mis-information by Rudy Croes,even though his office is the one who announced the confession. We know on the 13th Joran was saying he was being framed and then gave the statement accusing Deepak of coming back with two dogs and possibly raping and killing Natalee.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 23:31 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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is this december or june 2005?
if it is june 2005 i find this very remarkable... (nonetheless if it is december it is remarkable too)
this was right around the time they kept Beth and Jug asking questions wether Natalee had a history with epilepsy / seizures. to which they repeatedly said NO!
why did van Straten think he was going to solve it 24 hours??????
because he thought he would be able to make a natural death out of it???
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
omg.quote:Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 23:45 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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It was June 2005! I think just a day or two later in Joran's book is where he told Joran all you have to do is tell the truth and I will see you never go to prison but instead to a mental institution. Remember it was announces all over American media Joran confessed on June 10th,something bad happened and they were retreaving her body. Some newspapers reported her as confirmed dead. Then the next day it was said it was mis-information by Rudy Croes,even though his office is the one who announced the confession. We know on the 13th Joran was saying he was being framed and then gave the statement accusing Deepak of coming back with two dogs and possibly raping and killing Natalee.
speechless
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
It could have been meant that he confessed the story of being dropped off with her alone at the beach, instead of the HI story. I do however think that JvS knows more about this case then he was willing to pursue. Weren't all interrogations filmed and taped btw, I think I red this somewhere.
Where facts are few, experts are many.
