Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #3

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:13 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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Didnt need the lawyer for that one eh

I'm not a lawyer, so...

I love pink floyd!!!!!!

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:04 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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Like I said, he got the attention back. Ill give him that.
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I actually spoke to my lawyer friend about it tonight. He can go back. And the arrested for murder thing is really weird, because, with this, they can never get him for murder. Even disposing a body will be difficult, let alone murder.

Oh the prosecution will have a tough time putting the case together, I'm sure. Getting the accomplices will be the highest priority I guess. We will have to wait and see. I was primarily talking about the court of public opinion. He lost that one last Sunday, without possibility of appeal.

Although I can be cynical about things happening in this case, from both sides btw, I would like to repeat that for me JvdS is an asshole end I hope he's being caught for what he did, which I'm sure about, one way or another.

But all the speculations/conspiracy's make me sick...

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:21 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:
And how is the public gonna get him behind bars? Im just happy there are still people who want proof first.

I think we are talking on different levels here.

Sure, I believe in rule by law. When its not a rigged game that is..

Personally, I find a sense of justice in hearing that Joran is in hiding eversince the broadcast.

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 05:31 schreef MadMaster het volgende:


But all the speculations/conspiracy's make me sick...

Why spend time on that then? Why read and reply in these topics? Why even sign up for SM?

Do you want to lecture? Want to influence opinion? What?

Belt found by searchers early in the case that appears to be similar to Joran's. The ALE said it was too old to be Jorans and believed to be thrown away..Where is the belt?



Tarp seen in picture on NE part of the island..Is this insignificant or something to do with the case?This was the area by the Natural Bridge. PVDS was spotted near here by searchers early in the morning after they found the belt.

Shallow grave found early in the case by searchers in Aruba,also on the north coast.



[ Bericht 32% gewijzigd door observer777 op 08-02-2008 08:48:43 ]

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 04:53 schreef observer777 het volgendeIn this meeting Anita spoke of the sexual things that Joran did to Natalee and described her blue underwear with flowers on it. How did Anita know this?

Easy.. Joran told her.
He even writes about it in his book:

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P 86

(with Natalee in Deepak's car)


Her legs are touching mine. She wears a short “jeans” skirt and covers her crotch with her hand, I believe to prevent us from seeing her panties. They are dark blue with embroidered flowers, you could easily see that even despite her hand.

She says that she has enjoyed her time at Aruba, and that her girlfriends also met other guys with whom they spent some time together: Louis and Joshua. I know these guys, I’ve also seen them at the hotel that day. They were also chatting with the girls from Mountain Brook High. They are more boys "hunting" for nice girls.

More quotes from his book here
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/book/excerpts.htm

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The reason for why I'm doubting that Paulus has something to do with it, is because Satish and Deepak never said anything about Paulus, not even in their true statements.
How do I know they even gave a true statement? Again I have to point to the confessions written by the police:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm
If you read all of them you can see a good time frame and some inconsistencies in the stories.
These inconsistencies is what breakes the boys down. Because they tell different stories like in what lane they stopped infront of the hotel to let Natalee out.

That story was fabricated only when Paulus called Joran at his mobile when an angry mob of Americans where at his door.
He and Satish then started planning a different story because Satish never expected Joran to be involved with her disapearing.
Satish then called Deepak and told him to hang on to that story.
Problem is they didn't do a very good job duplicating the stories so already from the beginning something smelled fishy.

At one point Joran told one of his friend what 'really'happend, that is that Joran actually 'left' the girl on the beach, and when Joran got arrested, that friend thought it would be better if Anita and Paul knew the 'real' story. I Think it was at that point that Paul felt responsible for not telling other people what Joran knew, and that does make you sweat alot!


By the way when i say " I'm doubting that Paulus has something to do with it" I mean with the disapearing/body dumping. It's very well possible that Paulus believed joran that he did not kill the girl and that Joran's friend dumped the body when she tripped on drugs and died(maybe also a false statement to his own father) and then Paulus helped Joran to boycot the investigion.

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Where did he see her underwear in the back seat of the dark car? Was it before or after she was unconscious? Before or after Satish put the porno on?

Why would PVDS tell people he had two contacts with NH and picked her and Joran up at 4AM. He didnt change that story for almost 3 weeks until almost his arrest! He then changed his story! As quoted in the last thread by his interrogator. He also appears to be talking to NH in the casino. Not sure but it look's like him. In his statements he said he left 2 hours earlier. Why was he arrested for suspicion of Pre-Meditated Murder and Kidnapping?

They fabricated that story even before Natalee was reported missing(See Freddy's acct who is the one who knows the truth) I believe Freddy also says she collpased at the beach and they could not wake her. PVDS called Natalee a corpse even before she was really missing!! No corpse no case,he told them in the meeting by the pool! Also Karen Janssen confirms he said this the first day Natalee was missing.

Deepak Quotes from the police car tapes
If they find the girl they will see the shit!
You will get 15 years if they find the girl!
Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!

BTW: I don't think Natalee was ever at the beach..At least not conscious..She was at the sloot house..Joran in one of his statements says they went there at 1:40AM but did not go in . In another statement he says he has sex with her there. Also he told that reporter in Holland he had sex with her at his house. Makes sense why they blocked the search of that home and it wasnt searched for two years.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 09:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:


Deepak Quotes from the police car tapes
If they find the girl they will see the shit!
You will get 15 years if they find the girl!
Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!

Don't make shit up and get the facts to gether:



If you want to read all of it go here:
http://www.hollowaycase.c(...)icecartscript624.htm

Those things you quote are all lines they said but not in that order!

Example:
J says to D: The only thing I can think about, is my family, I do what my family tells me to do.
J says to the brother: Huh mongol.
D says to J: Simply your own father, unbelievable.

And the thing is, Deepak is talking about that he is only (simply, if you translated that into dutch, the language they spoke, it'll be gewoonweg je vade') listoning to his father.

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 09:35 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Where did he see her underwear in the back seat of the dark car? Was it before or after she was unconscious? Before or after Satish put the porno on?

Why would PVDS tell people he had two contacts with NH and picked her and Joran up at 4AM. He didnt change that story for almost 3 weeks until almost his arrest! He then changed his story! As quoted in the last thread by his interrogator. He also appears to be talking to NH in the casino. Not sure but it look's like him. In his statements he said he left 2 hours earlier. Why was he arrested for suspicion of Pre-Meditated Murder and Kidnapping?

They fabricated that story even before Natalee was reported missing(See Freddy's acct who is the one who knows the truth) I believe Freddy also says she collpased at the beach. PVDS called Natalee a corpse even before she was really missing!! No corpse no case,he told them in the meeting by the pool! Also Karen Janssen confirms he said this the first day Natalee was missing.

Deepak Quotes from the police car tapes
If they find the girl they will see the shit!
You will get 15 years if they find the girl!
Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!

BTW: I don't think Natalee was ever at the beach..At least not conscious..She was at the sloot house..Joran in one of his statements says they went there at 1:40AM but did not go in . In another statement he says he has sex with her there. Also he told that reporter in Holland he had sex with her at his house. Makes sense why they blocked the seacrh of that home and it wasnt searched for two years.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/crime/63326

Help me out here Observer, There so much to read on SM, I don't know where I can find these statements or anywhere else. Can you give me a link please..?

TIA

Volgende week nieuw besluit over aanhouding Joran
Gepubliceerd: 8 februari 2008 06:46 | Gewijzigd: 8 februari 2008 07:07
ANP

Oranjestad, 8 febr. Pas na het weekeinde wordt besloten of Joran van der Sloot alsnog wordt aangehouden. Dat maakte het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) op Aruba bekend.

De onderzoeksrechter wees vorige week een vordering van het OM af om de verdachte van de de moord op Natalee Holloway in voorarrest te nemen. Tegen de beslissing is dinsdag beroep aangetekend.

Omdat Van der Sloot al twee keer is aangehouden, zijn de eisen zwaar. De bekentenis in het tv-programma van Peter R. de Vries voldoet niet aan de eisen.

Het OM heeft tot vrijdag uiterlijk tot twaalf uur 's middags de tijd om alle relevante informatie in te dienen bij het gerechtshof dat zich over het beroep zal buigen. Verwacht wordt dat daar ook de verklaring van Joran van der Sloot bijkomt, die hij aanbood bij de politie af te leggen na de uitzending van Peter R. de Vries. Het is onbekend of dat al is gebeurd.

De Arubaanse hoofdofficier van justitie, Hans Mos, bevindt zich momenteel in Nederland. Maar volgens een woordvoerder is hij daar alleen voor vakantie, ,,niet voor de zaak''. Het OM geeft geen nieuwe informatie omtrent de zaak, totdat het gerechtshof heeft besloten.

Bron

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:01 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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Don't make shit up and get the fact to gether:

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If you want to read all of it go here:
http://www.hollowaycase.c(...)icecartscript624.htm

Those things you quote are all lines they said but not in that order!

*vergrootglas zoekt

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:01 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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Don't make shit up and get the fact to gether:

If you want to read all of it go here:


Those things you quote are all lines they said but not in that order!

Where the hell did I make anything up? All facts my friend! I never said they were in that order,just quotes,also I dont read dutch or papi so we had to rely on the translations.

Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:06 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Where the hell did I make anything up? All facts my friend! I never said they were in that order..

Your own Father!! Unbelievable!!

How can you randomly put quotes next to eichother when they have got nothing to do with eichother?
It looks abit like you try to put the blame on paulus just because you think he has to be in it.

I've also read about that blood in Deepak's car.
That statement is from Joran. Joran also said Deepak came with 2 dogs to bury Natalee.
I mean Joran is making up so many stuff to move the blame away from him.

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:02 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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Help me out here Observer, There so much to read on SM, I don't know where I can find these statements or anywhere else. Can you give me a link please..?

TIA

Morning I know,it's hard for me to find stuff also at SM,so I search for it. What did you want to know? Most everything I said was in the PV'S or from that Court Ruling in Aruba when PVDS was denied his money,which I pasted the article twice here at FOK.

One other thing Observer, can you show me documents or anything about Paulus saying he drove Joran and Natalee?

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:11 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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How can you randomly put quotes next to eichother when they have got nothing to do with eichother?
It looks abit like you try to put the blame on paulus just because you think he has to be in it.

I've also read about that blood in Deepak's car.
That statement is from Joran. Joran also said Deepak came with 2 dogs to bury Natalee.
I mean Joran is making up so many stuff to move the blame away from him.

Because I was quoting what interest me from those tapes. Like Deepak telling him he will get 15 years if they find the girl. Or if they find the girl they will see the shit. Who cares if I put them together? Why would he be telling him he will get 15 years if they find the girl? That makes them look innocent? The blood in the car did not come from Joran,It came from the Aruban Prime Minister on TV,The Aruban Minister of Justice and others. All over the American press as well. Search for at SM,I think I even put some of it in the suspects car thread there.

Joran confessed on June 10th and the next day they retracted the statement and said it was mis-information,I think on the 13th he was crying he was being framed and thats when he said Deepak came with two dogs and he thinks Deepak came back and raped and murdered her. ALL BS!

Yes,PVDS involvement intrigues me,WTH would he be telling people,he had two contacts with NH and picked her and Joran up at 4AM? Forever all we heard was Joran dropped her at the the hotel,then the beach..Aruban officials kept telling the world he left her at 2AM,when all along they had wiretaps and witnesses that place PVDS with her at 4AM. I think PVDS is a liar and never went to no bank to deposit money that Joran never won on May 29th,look at hios statements for a lawyer and judge he has a wrotten memory!! ALL Lies from two liars covering up a murder!! I think he lied about going home also from the casino,it certainly looks to be him talking and sitting next to NH at the BJ table 2 hours after he said he went home.

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:13 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Morning I know,it's hard for me to find stuff also at SM,so I search for it. What did you want to know? Most everything I said was in the PV'S or from that Court Ruling in Aruba when PVDS was denied his money,which I pasted the article twice here at FOK.

Morning

I would like to read the statement in your post I put in bold?

Also, I'm curious, last night I've read about the suicide hangings in Aruba in 2006 on SM, some TV-woman called Bridgitte and some cameraman? What does this had to do with this case and do you maybe know what it means: hanging with the hand(s) in their pockets?

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:05 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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*vergrootglas zoekt

Hier is het in PDF:

http://judicial-inc.biz/arubaTranscript3.pdf

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:26 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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Morning

I would like to read the statement in your post I put in bold?

Also, I'm curious, last night I've read about the suicide hangings in Aruba in 2006 on SM, some TV-woman called Bridgitte and some cameraman? What does this had to do with this case and do you maybe know what it means: hanging with the hand(s) in their pockets?

Don't get confused, those statements are wrongly quoted and defenitely not in that order.
Check the PDF here to see what really was said:
http://judicial-inc.biz/arubaTranscript3.pdf

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:26 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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Hier is het in PDF:

http://judicial-inc.biz/arubaTranscript3.pdf

Dank u!

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 10:21 schreef Ticker het volgende:
One other thing Observer, can you show me documents or anything about Paulus saying he drove Joran and Natalee?

I'M going to bed its way late here. I posted it here twice here at FOK written from the Diario Newspaper from the Supreme Court ruling when he was denied his money when he sued the courts. It was clearly understood by the Aruban courts about his involvement from wiretaps,witnesses and his mouth. Also I believe there may have been a witness that saw him out in his jeep at 3-4am that night. If you look at Natalee(In the Rebound) I think on the last thread or the 1st one it even has the link to Diario,you can see the original article in Papi and I also posted what his interrogator said about him changing stories.

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Op vrijdag 8 februari 2008 01:52 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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It was recently told by two fraud psychics on Aruban TV,Newspaer and Radio just a few weeks ago. It has been mentioned previously by others involved in the Mis-Inforamtion campaign.

One other thing though; couple a months ago I read (I'am not certain where anymore), that the mother of Natalee had a relationship with the father of JoBenet Ramsey at the time of Natalee's disappearance. Is that also false?