Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #3

Van die eerderaangehaalde site:

The Area Has A Rich Jewish History As An Early Trading Center

Dutch Jews settled in Surinam in 1643. They established the trading routes for the sugar cane, coffee, chocolate, and slavery trades. Curacao's white population, and plantation elite, were 50% Jewish.
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Moet ik eigenlijk wel verdergaan. .

*back*

ff op herhaling want ik mocht niks meer toevoegen. :

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I told I saw some young American girls drunk last week, screaming around the terraces of some restaurants and thought they should have a liitle self responsibility too...

So what ??? They ask for it ???? or what... ?????


BTW : netjes gedaan harajuku

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:10 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
ff op herhaling want ik mocht niks meer toevoegen. :
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So what ??? They ask for it ???? or what... ?????


BTW : netjes gedaan harajuku

That's not what he's saying

Could we please stay on topic this time?

We are not discussing other websites, other cultures, other cases and theories about other cases etc. This topic was meant for the Holloway case and the information surrounding it.

Maybe it would be better to take this thread back to BNW?

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:14 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

Maybe it would be better to take this thread back to BNW?

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:16 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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Well I dont like the thread to be ruined because its in JOR now. Use some other topic if you want to talk about all the other stuff, thats not to much to ask.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:14 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
Could we please stay on topic this time?

We are not discussing other websites, other cultures, other cases and theories about other cases etc. This topic was meant for the Holloway case and the information surrounding it.

Maybe it would be better to take this thread back to BNW?

Why. This is about Joran. Joran is world news. I think this topic is in the right subfora now

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:13 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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That's not what he's saying

Oké maybe I 'm wrong. In that case I 'm sorry, but that's how it sounds to me

Maybe he means to say that these girl's do get drunk and behave a bit wildly ? But what about the behaving more responsible part ?

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:20 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Oké maybe I 'm wrong. In that case I 'm sorry, but that's how it sounds to me

Maybe he means to say that these girl's do get drunk and behave a bit wildly ? But what about the behaving more responsible part ?

Uit het vorige topic mijn post:
Then again,
warn your kids, give them proper know how how
the WORLD is working before sending them off on a holiday MILES away from home!
I simply refuse to believe that parents in america are really so ignorant to believe that their children don't have a good time on holiday and for some kids is having a good time having booze and sex and not on purpose, just because..
Our world isn't Disneyland, as a parent you should inform your child of the risks and dangers in the world.
And american parents dó know how kids are...why send them off on a holiday far far away?
That's safer, so no neighbour can judge your child..
And they know it, parents around the world are pretty much the same.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:20 schreef Qwea het volgende:

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Why. This is about Joran. Joran is world news. I think this topic is in the right subfora now

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:19 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Well I dont like the thread to be ruined because its in JOR now. Use some other topic if you want to talk about all the other stuff, thats not to much to ask.

All I'm asking (in general) is to stay ontopic ok?

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:24 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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All I'm asking (in general) is to stay ontopic ok?

We'll try, but you also know how topics sometimes wander off
And differences in culture is ontopic I think,
IF its possible that the;re rapegangs, or sexgangs, or free sex parties, whatever, is it highly possible that no american girl is going to say anything back home, they wre brought up that good girls don't do these things.. So they will keep silent.
AND an easy target for "beach"boys.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:32 schreef Triggershot het volgende:
Did i miss something, why are we speaking English?

O shit hebben we niet eens in de gaten.
Jongens we praten in het engels krijg nou wat!

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:39 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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O shit hebben we niet eens in de gaten.
Jongens we praten in het engels krijg nou wat!

Help die jongen nou ff
Ik stelde gister the same stupid question.

Ok, I'll help:

Trigger, because!

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IF its possible that the;re rapegangs, or sexgangs, or free sex parties, whatever, is it highly possible that no american girl is going to say anything back home, they wre brought up that good girls don't do these things.. So they will keep silent.
AND an easy target for "beach"boys.

agree

it's not wise to send young girls away on a holiday with no explicit warning of what might happen over there, and nobody that looks after them.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:50 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Some kind of foreign media watching over us?

We have American/Canadian visitors in this topic so we think its polite to speak english.

Back ontopic

edit:foutje

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 17:38 schreef yvonne het volgende:
edit:foutje

What the hack is this???

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 17:12 schreef Triggershot het volgende:
Did this already come across?

Bill O'Reilly Willing to Go to Jail; Joran van der Sloot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYHNcRA6nhA

So Joran probably asked the steph-father if she had seizures.
This still goes with the outlines as Joran said in the hidden-camera shot.

The main question is, what caused the seizure, and how did it came in Natalee's system.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:14 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
Could we please stay on topic this time?

We are not discussing other websites, other cultures, other cases and theories about other cases etc. This topic was meant for the Holloway case and the information surrounding it.

Maybe it would be better to take this thread back to BNW?

We're still on track, buddy. Maybe the quoted web site sheds light on the deeper moral motivation of some of the scaredmonkeys bunch? The struggle of good (Natalee) against evil (the descendants of the Jewish settlers). I dunno.

http://judicial-inc.biz/Jo_Oran_va_der_sloot_jews.htm
Blijft bizar

http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_va_der_sloot.htm

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:29 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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We'll try, but you also know how topics sometimes wander off
And differences in culture is ontopic I think,
IF its possible that the;re rapegangs, or sexgangs, or free sex parties, whatever, is it highly possible that no american girl is going to say anything back home, they wre brought up that good girls don't do these things.. So they will keep silent.
AND an easy target for "beach"boys.

Youre absolutely right. It is an related issue.

The fact that cases like these (Natalee) often make other girls come forward with their story proves your point I think. Though this happens everywhere, girls who have been molested or raped and dont report it or talk about it. Happens here as well.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 17:55 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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Omg, they just keep going and going about the Jew thing. [ afbeelding ]. Seriously, wtf?

Are they trying to blame the jewish or what?

Look at the bottom of the page, you can find more jew related items..

Also look at the picture with this item:
There Must Be A Final Outcome

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 17:53 schreef yvonne het volgende:
http://judicial-inc.biz/Jo_Oran_va_der_sloot_jews.htm
Blijft bizar

http://judicial-inc.biz/Joran_va_der_sloot.htm

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Here is the real animal. A Dutch Jew, who has a checkered past, starting with an thirty year old incident at a Netherlands University. Paulas was a womanizer, and a gambler, who dragged Joran around like a toy. His wife, Anita was a bloated aging Jewess, who was in Holland with the two younger children. Earlier that week, he actually talked with the girls in the casino,

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Ik mag toch hopen dat onze vriend deze site toch een beetje links laat liggen... anders weet ik het niet hoor.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 17:45 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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We're still on track, buddy. Maybe the quoted web site sheds light on the deeper moral motivation of some of the scaredmonkeys bunch? The struggle of good (Natalee) against evil (the descendants of the Jewish settlers). I dunno.

No you dont know but that still doenst stop you from making suggestions.

But go right ahead. Its your favorite subject so have fun!

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 17:55 schreef Harajuku. het volgende:

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Omg, they just keep going and going about the Jew thing. [ afbeelding ]. Seriously, wtf?

Are they trying to blame the jewish or what?

my thoughts exactly

Can anyone tell me what the relationship is between that judicial-inc.biz and Scared Monkeys?

Why does paul van der sloot uses google to search on alcohol and drugs just after natalee disappeared

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 18:10 schreef Tennessee het volgende:
Can anyone tell me what the relationship is between that judicial-inc.biz and Scared Monkeys?

There is none, but its a nice way to derail the topic.

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 18:10 schreef Tennessee het volgende:
Can anyone tell me what the relationship is between that judicial-inc.biz and Scared Monkeys?

None I presume.

Further:
Dutch Scum: The Murdering Van der sloots
Lowlife Dutch: The Van der sloots
Aruba Dirty Police

The Dutch Threesome of van der sloot, van der straaten and Jannsen and point man Jacobs have covered up the murder of Natalee Holloway to protect one of their own


Nice

http://arubadirtypolice.b(...)-van-der-sloots.html

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 17:44 schreef Ticker het volgende:

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So Joran probably asked the steph-father if she had seizures.
This still goes with the outlines as Joran said in the hidden-camera shot.

The main question is, what caused the seizure, and how did it came in Natalee's system.

To me it is more important whether the step-father has told this long before Joran talked about it. Or does he claims that he just remembered it when he saw the tape ?

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 18:39 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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None I presume.

If there is no relation, why did they post that link then? .

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Further:
Dutch Scum: The Murdering Van der sloots
Lowlife Dutch: The Van der sloots
Aruba Dirty Police

The Dutch Threesome of van der sloot, van der straaten and Jannsen and point man Jacobs have covered up the murder of Natalee Holloway to protect one of their own


Nice

http://arubadirtypolice.b(...)-van-der-sloots.html

And this is a web site reffered to by observer then?

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:10 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

So what ??? They ask for it ???? or what... ?????

So what?
Although you may suppose that even a naked girl (like someone said on SM) should be unharmed, we all know that there are assholes all around the world, not only in Holland, the USA and/or on Aruba, that won't leave such a girl alone...

Alcohol makes you weak on all fronts and those assholes makes profit on that.
So my message to all youngsters is:
Be carefull with who you are dating in combination with alcohol or maybe even without alcohol.
Unfortunately, 1 + 1 = 2 for some guys...

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 16:44 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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agree

it's not wise to send young girls away on a holiday with no explicit warning of what might happen over there, and nobody that looks after them.

Ok, we're talking about the same...
Sometimes it's hard to express myself correctly in English...

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 19:34 schreef MadMaster het volgende:

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So what?
Although you may suppose that even a naked girl (like someone said on SM) should be unharmed, we all know that there are assholes all around the world, not only in Holland, the USA and/or on Aruba, that won't leave such a girl alone...

Alcohol makes you weak on all fronts and those assholes makes profit on that.
So my message to all youngsters is:
Be carefull with who you are dating in combination with alcohol or maybe even without alcohol.
Unfortunately, 1 + 1 = 2 for some guys...

Not for me
Anduhhh.... you goes friendly over the tongue there

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 19:34 schreef MadMaster het volgende:

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So what?
Although you may suppose that even a naked girl (like someone said on SM) should be unharmed, we all know that there are assholes all around the world, not only in Holland, the USA and/or on Aruba, that won't leave such a girl alone...

Alcohol makes you weak on all fronts and those assholes makes profit on that.
So my message to all youngsters is:
Be carefull with who you are dating in combination with alcohol or maybe even without alcohol.
Unfortunately, 1 + 1 = 2 for some guys...

You have a point

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 19:34 schreef MadMaster het volgende:

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So what?
Although you may suppose that even a naked girl (like someone said on SM) should be unharmed, we all know that there are assholes all around the world, not only in Holland, the USA and/or on Aruba, that won't leave such a girl alone...

Alcohol makes you weak on all fronts and those assholes makes profit on that.
So my message to all youngsters is:
Be carefull with who you are dating in combination with alcohol or maybe even without alcohol.
Unfortunately, 1 + 1 = 2 for some guys...

Of course you're obviously right in making that warning... But making it here or anywhere else relating to Natalee Holloway might be a bit out of place. I don't think you're suggesting she was suicidal and I don't think you're suggesting she is responsible for her own death because she was behaving stupidly. You're not, are you?

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 19:36 schreef MadMaster het volgende:

Sometimes it's hard to express myself correctly in English...

Same here

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Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 19:39 schreef Tennessee het volgende:
Of course you're obviously right in making that warning... But making it here or anywhere else relating to Natalee Holloway might be a bit out of place. I don't think you're suggesting she was suicidal and I don't think you're suggesting she is responsible for her own death because she was behaving stupidly. You're not, are you?

No, I'm definitly do not!!!

I said it in relation to other girls I saw last week on Aruba, drunk as hell, shouting on the terraces of restaurants and 'searching for some local company from boys'. At that time I thought about the Natalee Holloway-case in the way of: 'Don't let it happen again because of their own weakness at that time...'

Oftewel, maak niet de stomme fout door jezelf in een dusdanige positie te brengen dat je wel een hele makkelijke prooi wordt...

Ergens snap ik nog even niet, waarom iedereen de feiten van de 1e week na Natalee's verdwijning vergeten zijn, maar alleen afgaat op de bekentenis van een junk genaamd "Joran" (dat is hij immers na 2-3 jaar)

Tevens vraag ik mij deze ook af, dat als ik het forum van scaredmonkeys moet geloven, waarom
de "timeline" van Joran belangrijk voor iedereen blijft? Misschien is er wel een hele andere "timeline"
in deze, eentje die veel verder gaat dan die 2.5 uur (en nee, ik beweer niet dat Natalee nog leeft, nochtans
dat ze overleden is, dat is immers nog steeds de grote vraag naar mijn idee, het hoe of wat).

Dat er 1 (waarschijnlijk 2 of meer mensen) meer weten over wat er gebeurt is, daar ben ik 100% van
overtuigd. Inderdaad kan het niet anders meer dan dat Joran deze mensen beschermt (zelfs tegenover
Patrick van der Eem).

Deze mensen houden zich schuil en laten Joran er alleen voor staan.
Als deze mensen niets te verbergen hebben en het is Joran zijn schuld dit alles,
hadden ze allang dit naar buiten gebracht.
Ik bedoel hiermee, iedereen ziet Joran als hoofdverdachte nu (hij heeft alles gedaan toch,
Joran is de gewetenloze vent en de halve wereld zit achter hem aan nu...)

Zoals ik net stelde, Joran moet MINIMAAL 1 helper hebben gehad, waarom durft
die niet naar voren te komen? (immers, Joran is al bijna volledig schuldig verklaard)

Nou goed terugkomend op het begin van deze post, blijven een aantal vragen
onbeantwoord die zich afspeelde een aantal dagen tot 2 weken na Natalee's
verdwijning:

- Waarom gingen de schoolkameraadjes van Natalee die mee waren naar Aruba
meteen 's ochtends na de verdwijning terug op het vliegtuig naar de States?
- Ik neem aan dat Natalee zekers tegen 1 van haar schoolkameraadjes moet hebben
gezegd dat ze wegging met 3 (?) jongens, of dat zeker 1 van haar klasgenootjes dat
gezien moet hebben? (haar klasgenootjes zijn nooit ondervraagd in deze)
- Waarom was haar moeder Beth anderhalve dag na haar verdwijning op Aruba,
en claimde in volledige overtuiging dat Natalee was ontvoerd?
(ze heeft diverse posters over een ontvoering opgehangen op Aruba toen)
- Al het telefoonverkeer in Joran's timeline is gecontroleerd na Natalee's verdwijning,
geen verdachte telefoontjes gevonden, zelfs niet bij het Marriot Hotel.
- Echter in de vroege ochtenduurtjes (na Joran's timeline) zijn er wel 2 telefoontjes gemaakt
gemaakt via Natalee's haar mobieltje (bron; oud archief 2005 van scaredmonkeys)
- Natalee's moeder heeft de ochtend na Natalee's verdwijning (2005) heeft een telefoontje
gehad van ene Natalee (?), heel kort, dat alles goed was.
Dit was tevens toen de reden voor Beth om te geloven dat Natalee gekidnapt was daarna.
- De nacht dat Natalee verdween, in de 3 uur van Joran's timeline, is er van zijn vader's
creditcard 5000,-- euro opgenomen.
Pa lag toen in bed toch al en Joran was op dat moment met Natalee bezig (strand, overlijden,
vriend bellen en naar huis lopen toch? (wie had er in die "timeline" tijd om 5000,-- euro op te nemen
van Pa zijn creditcard en waarvoor, het was immers midden in de nacht)
- Er was toen 's ochtends van Natalee's creditcard (later werd gezegd dat het een groupscreditcard betrof
ofzo) geld opgenomen? (terwijl op dat moment haar klasgenootjes en begeleiding terugvlogen naar
The States)


Dit werd toen bekendgemaakt in de 1ste paar weken na Natalee's verdwijning.
Vraag ik mij af waarom hierover nu word gezwegen aan alle kanten...

Ik heb Joran's bekentenis meerdere malen bekeken, ergens zegt Joran nergens dat
ze overleden is als je goed luistert, of althans het kon, maar zou ook weer niet kunnen.
Niets dat hij haar vermoord heeft, hij weet niet eens of ze dood was, zegt hij.
Alleen "dat ze lag te trillen en daarna niets meer deed op strand" en hij "een vriend belde"
en dat ze haar samen in een boot hebben gelegd waarna die "vriend" Joran naar huis stuurde.

Ik vraag mij nog steeds af, waarom iedereen de 1ste feiten van de 1ste of 2e week vergeten zijn.
Ik vraag mij nog steeds af, waarom deze feiten nooit zijn onderzocht (haar klasgenoten moeten toch
weten met wie ze is meegegaan? kom op zeg!)

Ik zeg niet dat Natalee nog leeft, maar deze 1ste feitjes uit de eerste 2 weken zijn ook never goed
onderzocht als je het mij vraagt.
Feiten die iedereen vergeten lijkt te zijn ...