Het gaat er mij om dat mensen die met kinderen op vakantie gaan dezelfde zorgvuldigheid zouden moeten hebben als wanneer ze thuis zijn, thuis zouden ze hun kinderen hopelijk ook niet alleen laten terwijl ze zelf weg gaan.quote:Op zondag 3 februari 2008 22:48 schreef Drijfzand het volgende:
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Omdat zoveel kinderen in kinderopvang verdwijnen of misbruikt worden; of uit hun appartement geroofd worden?
Kom maar op met die cijfers, dan zal ik cijfers geven over ongevallen in de eigen woning, kinderen die sterven in het verkeer, verkrachting of moord door familieleden, etc etc..
Wist je dat er in Nederland vorig jaar 17 kinderen stierven bij ongevallen op een boerenerf?
Of wat denk je van:
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Zeldzaamheden zijn nieuws, dagelijkse gebeurtenissen zijn statistieken...
Misschien even een enquete, hoeveel mensen hier met kinderen hebben enkel beveiligde warmwaterkranen?
Verderop in het artikel:quote:A grim search for Madeleine McCann's body has been launched at an isolated reservoir.
Teams of frogmen began scouring the remote Barragem do Arade amid claims the girl's body was dumped there last May.
The private search - funded by a Portuguese lawyer - came as Portugal's most senior detective admitted that police had rushed into making Kate and Gerry McCann suspects in the case.
Madeleine, then three, disappeared last May during a family holiday in the Algarve
Alipio Ribeiro, the national director of the Policia Judiciaria, said his officers had acted with "a certain hastiness" and should have assessed the evidence again before naming the couple as official suspects.
But he defended his men against claims they had acted under political pressure and had failed to investigate properly.
Last night there were calls for him to resign over the comments, as lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia revealed he was forced to fund the £1,200-a-day reservoir search himself because the police had refused.
Alipio Ribeiro, Portugal's top police man, has admitted that making Kate and Gerry McCann official suspects in Madeleine's disappearance was hasty
The human rights lawyer said he was convinced the massive man-made lake was "the perfect hiding place" for an abductor to conceal a body.
Mr Correia, 32, ordered the search after underworld contacts told him Madeleine was raped, murdered and her body dumped within 48 hours of her disappearance on May 3.
He said he believed the abductor killed the child, weighted down her body and then threw it from a pumping tower into the murky water beneath.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=512164&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnowquote:Mr Correia told the Mail: "I am convinced this is the place. It's not overlooked, it has easy access by car and if you threw the body from the tower the water is 55ft deep there.
"The divers have already found a cord tied in knots down there, right below the tower. I have given it to the police.
"It's logic that if you throw a body into the water then you would tie it to something to weigh it down."
http://www.dailyrecord.co(...)cann-86908-20309039/quote:POLICE searching for a missing seven-year-old boy in Spain are linking it with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Jeremy Vargas vanished from his home in Gran Canaria just eight weeks before four-year-old Madeleine went missing in Praia da Luz.
Detectives hunting for the boy have told his parents they are now working closely with cops in Portugal.
The development adds weight to Kate and Gerry McCanns' insistence that their daughter was abducted - and that they were not responsible.
The link between the cases was revealed as dive teams searched a murky reservoir for Madeleine's body.
Jeremy's mother Ithaisa Suarez, 24, told yesterday of the striking similarities between the two cases - and her belief that both children may still be alive.
She said: "The specialist police team from Madrid have told me that they have been in contact with the Portuguese police investigating Madeleine. They are working on the theory that people involved in child trafficking are behind these cases."
Jeremy was playing on wasteground behind his home when he disappeared on March 10 last year.
Ithaisa insists both Jeremy and Madeleine, four, were snatched to order and likely sold on by a ruthless gang.
She was the first mother in similar anguished circumstances to write to the McCanns, both 39, when Madeleine disappeared last May. The two griefstricken families exchanged a series of letters.
Nou ja, de Hondt oké maar Peter R. de Vries heeft in mijn ogen wel credits...die maakt niet echt fouten. Yeah Sicko indeed, snotverkouden...quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 00:28 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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@Sicko (kooswoordje hoor). Vond het ook wel een leuke avatar. Heb acht jaar dezelfde gehanteerd, maar in het licht van deze zaak, maar ook de beschuldigingen vanmensen als de Hondt en Peter R. de Vries aan zomaar mensen leek het me wel een passende avator voor een tijdje.
Toch triest, wel tearjerk verhalen over de ouders maar die kinderen niet op die site,quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 11:49 schreef Suko het volgende:
Blijft dan toch opmerkelijk dat het jochie niet wordt vermeld op ICMEC, één van de organisaties vermeld op de site van de McCanns. Net zoals Mari Luz Cortés niet wordt gemeld...Gelezen op het arguido-forum.
Anyway, die zoektocht dan, naast dat er natuurlijk niks zal worden gevonden, Gerry en Kate McCann pas op! Weet jullie nog? "But in a signal that the McCanns are prepared to fight to prove their innocence, they issued a challenge to Portuguese detectives yesterday, saying: “Find the body and prove we killed her.” September 14,2007 Daily Express Overigens is dit verhaal niet meer te lezen via de Daily Mail...
Nou ja, de Hondt oké maar Peter R. de Vries heeft in mijn ogen wel credits...die maakt niet echt fouten. Yeah Sicko indeed, snotverkouden...![]()
http://www.mirror.co.uk/n(...)hook-89520-20309648/quote:Hopes that Kate and Gerry McCann would be dropped from the list of Maddie suspects were dashed yesterday.
Attorney General Jose Pinto Monteiro said their status as arguidos would remain despite the head of the CID admitting that pointing the finger at them had been "hasty".
A source said: "Their legal status will be re-assessed at the appropriate time."
They may now be forced to wait until the end of the criminal investigation before learning their fate.
AdvertisementYesterday there were calls for CID chief Alipio Ribeiro to quit over his comments about the McCanns, both 39, being made suspects over the disappearance of their four-year-old daughter in Praia da Luz in May.
Judge Eurico Reis said: "It is his duty to shut up. This case has had more than enough media exposure."
Media pundit Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa said: "He killed the investigation when he said there was haste in making the McCanns arguidos in the case."
Magistrate Antonio Cluny told Ribeiro to "restrain himself". He added: "I don't know if he's right or not but this conduct of speaking about pending cases is extremely worrying." But a Ribeiro source said he had meant to say that if Kate and Gerry, from Rothley, Leics, had remained witnesses rather than suspects they might have stayed in Portugal to help police. Madeleine's grandad Brian Healey, 67, said of Ribeiro's comments: "I am glad he said it, it will get things moving.The sooner the arguido status is taken off the better."
Local newspaper Diario de Noticias claims police still believe the couple were involved in hiding Madeleine's body. Meanwhile British divers postponed trawling a reservoir for Madeleine's body until next week.
They found only a cord after four days of searching at the site 40 miles from where she vanished.
Mr Healey said: "They haven't found anything yet. We have to believe a miracle can happen.
Metodo 3 has had 250 reported sightings of a suspect after an efit from a description by tourist Gail Cooper was released.
Thnx, wij bevinden ons thans in de hoestfase...quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Toch triest, wel tearjerk verhalen over de ouders maar die kinderen niet op die site,![]()
Je krijgt gelijk over dat niets vinden helaas.
Beterschap sicky!![]()
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Ben spontaan een beetje 'misselijk'... Mischien hebben de McCanns helemaal geen tax-zorgjes als je dit bericht leest Diário de Notícias:quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 15:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende: >knip<
Ik ben nu wel benieuwd hoe dat belastingtechnisch zal gaan, wordt alles wat er gestort is bij het inkomen van Gerry en Kate opgeteld? Dan mogen ze wel geld reserveren voor de belastingaanslag.
(hoestfase, zit het al los of ben je nog lekker aan het blaffen? Iig sterkte en beterschap.)
Ook de Daily Mail bericht hierover: Madeleine police 'to clear McCanns but admit case will never be solved' Kan ook een enorme spin zijn, of een oneigenlijke druk vanuit de UK, of de Portugezen zijn het goed zat vanwege de bureaucratische tegenwerking van de UK, of of of....quote:Alípio Ribeiro "drops" Maddie's case
By admitting that there was "haste" in constituting the parents of Madeleine McCann as arguidos for the disappearance of their daughter nine months ago in Praia da Luz, near Lagos, the Director of the National Judicial Police (PJ), Alípio Ribeiro, will be preparing the public opinion to the possibility that an accusation will not be made due to the lack of conclusive evidence. The idea is that the positions assumed by the director of PJ in public statements mean that he "has dropped" the case, have admitted to the DN sources that have accompanied the research of Maddie's case from the beginning.
With renown lawyers, both in England and in Portugal, which already exploited the declarations of Alípio Ribeiro, and a professional support, the McCanns may even be relieved of the status of arguidos within months, they are subjected to the minimum measure of coercion established in the Code of Criminal Procedure, the term of identity and residence, for which they indicated their residence in the English city of Rothley. After Alípio Ribeiro has said in an interview to Radio Renascença and Público newspaper that there has been precipitation in the constitution of the couple as arguidos, one of the couple's lawyers Rogerio Alves has said that the defense would ask that Kate and Gerry McCann stopped being arguidos in the process, which has as first arguido the Portuguese-British Robert Murat.
Possible filling
The consequent filling of the process could be the way forward, in a much more pessimistic perspective of sources connected to the issue that were contacted by the DN, although the PJ at Algarve continues committed to unveil the mystery, keeping as a stronger line of research the thesis of accidental death of the English child in the apartment 5A of the "Ocean Club" in Praia da Luz. That's why the words of Alípio Ribeiro have caused discomfort within the judicial police.
If the process is filed, for many will remain the belief that there was "one hundred percent political pressure" by the British. As the DN already said, a sense of "rebellion" continues installed between researchers face the recent statements made by Alípio Ribeiro, although the national director of the PJ has tried to appease them with an apology, trying to make believe that he was misunderstood when he spoke the word "precipitation" concerning the constitution of the couple as arguidos.
"I do not know if there will be arrests"
However, this was not the only reference to the case made by Alípio Ribeiro. In an interview published in the weekly newspaper Expresso on the 17/11/2007, after considering that "we work now better than at the beginning of the investigation," with "more restraint and calm," the national director of Judicial Police had left a warning: " I do not know if there will be arrests in Maddie's case. "
A position contradicted by investigators, to whom there are evidence that could lead to the arrest of Kate McCann for suspicion of involvement in the death and concealment of the body of her daughter, body who could have been buried or thrown at the sea in a bag.
Although Alípio Ribeiro has made these successive public statements - first, that arrests would not be made in Maddie's case and then that there was precipitation in the constitution of the McCanns as arguidos - the PJ never believed in the version of abduction transmitted by parents and these were constituted arguidos in September after the British sniffer dogs flagged several locations where the corpse of Madeleine McCann passed through from the apartment where she was spending holidays with her parents and twin brothers to the Church of Nossa Senhora da Luz, towards the beach. Bron+reacties
Hey Suko, hoe is het nu? Weer wat beter?quote:Op woensdag 6 februari 2008 14:11 schreef Suko het volgende:
Ben spontaan een beetje 'misselijk'... Mischien hebben de McCanns helemaal geen tax-zorgjes als je dit bericht leest Diário de Notícias:
Ook de Daily Mail bericht hierover: Madeleine police 'to clear McCanns but admit case will never be solved' Kan ook een enorme spin zijn, of een oneigenlijke druk vanuit de UK, of de Portugezen zijn het goed zat vanwege de bureaucratische tegenwerking van de UK, of of of....
Opvallend is wel dat ze het over Kate hebben: "Detectives in the Algarve are said to be furious over Mr Ribeiro's comments as they believe there is enough evidence to charge Kate McCann with involvement in her daughter's death, it was reported."
En verder schrijft de telegraph er vandaag over dat de Portugese bevolking er iig niet blij mee is: "The decision is said to have caused outrage among the Portuguese public." "Many people in Portugal believe the case against the couple, both 39-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leics, is being dropped because of political pressure from the UK." Maar vooralsnog kán het Clarrie-spin zijn of een tactiek what ever, maar het gaat me danig irriteren, eigenlijk...![]()
Er zal wel weer iets verkeerd zijn gegaan in de vertaling of interpretatie, Ribiero had een poosje niet met zijn neus in de krant gestaan dus moest hij even iets kwijt zeker.quote:A senior Portuguese policeman today claimed his officers have more important problems than finding Madeleine McCann. Carlos Anjos, head of the Judicial Police Inspectors Union, made the extraordinary statement that "there are bigger problems in the PJ (Judicial Police) than the Maddie case"
Carlos Anjos, head of the Judicial Police Inspectors Union, made the extraordinary statement that "there are bigger problems in the PJ (Judicial Police) than the Maddie case."
Mr Anjos, who has previously been highly critical of Gerry and Kate McCann, was quoted in Portuguese daily newspaper 24 Horas.
His comments came after national director of the PJ Alipio Ribeiro said in an interview that the authorities had acted "hastily" in making the McCanns formal suspects in their daughter's disappearance.
Mr Anjos said: "We heard the director's explanations and we are going to continue to try to clear things up duly.
"The subject should be discussed internally and not in the newspapers.
"Everybody has a right to speak, and sometimes not to express themselves well.
"There are bigger problems in the PJ than the Maddie case, with all the respect it deserves."
He added: "I am certain that all of my colleagues involved in the investigation are doing everything they can to discover what happened."
Mr Anjos's comments are certain to disappoint Madeleine's parents, who believe their daughter may still be alive and are desperate for police to continue the search.
They have hired private detectives Metodo 3 at a rate of £50,000-a-month because they believe the PJ have failed to follow up vital leads.
The police union leader's remarks come a day after senior police sources claimed the case is set to be closed and the parents' status as formal suspects revoked.
Portuguese police believe Madeleine died in the McCanns rented holiday apartment in Praia da Luz and her parents then disposed of her body.
The McCanns, both 39-year-old doctors from Rothley, Leics, insist Madeleine was abducted last May 3, a few days short of her fourth birthday.
Mr Anjos has previously accused the couple of hampering the investigation and publicly questioned why they had waited 40 minutes before calling police when they discovered their daughter was missing.
He has also described their decision to hire private detectives as a "diversionary tactic." Meanwhile the Portuguese Justice Minister Alberto Costa has defended Alipio Ribeiro following his comments that officers acted "hastily" in making the couple suspects.
The minister said: "The fact that the national director of the PJ continues in his job says everything that I think about this matter."
Mr Ribeiro has come under fire from former heads of the PJ over his statement.
And Antonio Cluny, president of the District Attorney and Magistrates Council, urged him to show "restraint and reserve".
However, senior police sources claim Mr Ribeiro was preparing the public for the idea that the case may never be solved and nobody ever charged over Madeleine's disappearance.
Hai Kahaarinquote:Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 10:42 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Hey Suko, hoe is het nu? Weer wat beter?
Er wordt al weer iets genuanceerd hoor, Brits gespin imho.
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Er zal wel weer iets verkeerd zijn gegaan in de vertaling of interpretatie, Ribiero had een poosje niet met zijn neus in de krant gestaan dus moest hij even iets kwijt zeker.
(Ik had gisteren mijn neefje weer op bezoek, even geen tijd gehad voor uitgebreid posten, jongetjes van 2 zijn een beetje bewerkelijk.)
Nou, persoonlijk ben ik van mening dat je elke associatie met de McCanns moet vermijden zolang niet absoluut duidelijk is wat er is gebeurd. Sowieso hebben ze IMO hun reputatie verloren met het avond aan avond alleen laten van heel jonge kinderen, met geopende deuren/onafgesloten hekjes, een voorbeeld hoe je kind(eren) idd vermist kan raken...Er zijn overigens genoeg organisaties die zich met vermiste kinderen bezighouden, opzouten met die McCanns!quote:Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 13:00 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Tja Suko, ik denk dat iedereen het gedoe wel zat is, nietemin zou ik het heel erg vinden als deze zaak een stoffig archiefstuk wordt, net als zoveel vermiste kinderzaken, de marketingmachine heeft zo veel overuren gedraait idd dat velen het wel best vinden, het zou me niets verbazen als dat een tactiek is geweest.
Ik zou niet willen dat het Maddy fund niet ingezet zou worden voor andere kinderen die ook vermist zijn en wiens ouders het niet kunnen betalen om een onderzoek in te stellen, zoals het nu lijkt blijft al dat geld in handen van de McCanns, het is dan ook heel slim opgezet allemaal.
Het lijkt er nu echt op dat de verzoeken om de McCanns en de Tapas 7 te ondervragen zijn verzonden en nu de UK aan zet is:quote:The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell hit out, saying that unofficial sites such as these distract from the search for Madeleine. He said: "This man did not seek our permission. We have not cooperated in any shape or form. Most of this is ill-informed comment at best. While some of it might be accurate, this sort of site runs the risk of repeating mistakes." He added: "He's now seeking money to maintain the site. We'd rather people's efforts and money went to helping to find Madeleine." The Sun
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------quote:"Letters to British authorities have been sent - 24 horas The letters rogatory for the purpose of re-questioning the McCanns and their seven friends who dined with them at a restaurant in the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Algarve, have now been forwarded for the second time to the British Home Office, the equivalent of our Ministry for the Interior. This comes after, as 24horas reported last week, the first letters were returned for merely bureaucratic reasons. The British authorities were of the opinion that the request should be formalised directly by the Public Prosector’s Office and not via Eurojust. An official Prosecutor’s Office communiqué which stated that it was trying to iron out a problem with which it had nothing to do led to a climate of tension between Eurojust and Prosecutor Office officials, but it has now been resolved. Now, Prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes, who is in charge of the process, is waiting for green light from Britain to send a PJ team there." Bron < Don't push the button...
"The purpose of that, is to try to "make clear" once and for all, the situations that occurred in the evening of May 3, and as well investigate the "contradictions" in the statements given to the PJ by the parents of the child and their friends. In the travel to the United Kingdom the Inspectors will also seize Kate McCann's diary to be used as evidence in court, in which Maddie’s mum speaks of her difficulty in handling a hyperactive daughter. Another object of interest for the investigation is the famous pink cuddly toy that the girl had always in her possession and that was put on view by the mother in Praia da Luz. The English sniffer dogs, experts in detecting cadaver scent reacted upon that object, which strengthened the suspicions of the police surrounding the death of Madeleine, after having expressed the same alert signal in the apartment from where the child was taken." Bron Dus ik weet niet of het afhangt van de verhoren wat betreft de Tapas 7 of de McCanns ook worden verhoord. Overigens door Britse cops gedaan in aanwezigheid van de Portugezen. Maar ik stel me er voor de rest niks van voor, omgeven door top-juristen en de backing van hoger geplaatsten, een farce...quote:Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 20:46 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Het zou op zich een opmerkelijke wending zijn als ook de McCann's weer ondervraagd zouden worden. Tot nu toe had ik begrepen dat alleen de Tapas7 gehoord zouden worden en dat op basis van hun antwoorden besloten zou kunnen worden om de twee arguidos te verzoeken naar Portugal te komen.
Dat lijkt ook logischer. De tapas7 kun je niet naar Portugal roepen, dus dat moet je met die vooraf vastgestelde vragen doen. Erg lastig omdat je dus niet kan improviseren tijdens het verhoor op basis van informatie van de andere verhoren. Voor de McCann's geldt dat je absolute vrijheid wil en niet een lijstje vooraf bepaalde vragen. Dat kan alleen door ze naar Portugal te halen.
Kortom het zou me verwonderen als Kate en Gerry nu gehoord gaan worden.
quote:Warning: This is a totally one-sided and biased view of the McCann saga – just like the newspapers give.
"Last May, when I noticed a headline “Toddler snatched in Portugal” (or abducted – I don't remember which) together with a photo of those two now familiar faces – Gerry and Kate McCann, my immediate thought was: 'In Portugal! What's that to do with us here in the UK? are we now going to have to suffer the agonies of parents all over the world whose children go missing?' Nine months down the line I realise that the 'abduction' of Madeleine McCann by a person, or a gang, variously described as 'paedophile', 'creepy man', 'man with no face', 'loner'; 'outsider'; predator; Moroccan gypsies'...and a number of other insulting epithets, has a great deal to do with us as a nation, or, more accurately, a great deal to do with the ways and means by which the population of our once great country is being manipulated and controlled. The ceaseless and hypocritical focusing of attention on children, making them icons and untouchable is a ploy that has been used by the government and media for a long time in order to create division and repression as children have been given power without responsibility and adults responsibility without power. 'Celebrity' and, of course, the old standby, sex are other diversionary tactics.
This unhealthy concentration diverts attention from the things that are happening, or not happening, in the country, and really matter to the majority of us: the fact that our city streets are unsafe, admitted even by our own Home Secretary; the fact that Northern Rock is being bailed out by the public to the tune of billions of pounds and then handed over to someone filthy rich, like Richard Branson (yes, the same Richard Branson who has committed £100,000 to the McCanns in the event of a trial); the fact that Gordon Brown promised a referendum on the EU ...where is it?; the possibility (far-fetched, but maybe not) that when he went to China recently he gave them a lease on the UK for several trillion Yen – or just enough to last him until the next election in 2010....But, no worries. Just stick a picture of a female, as deshabillé as possible - Posh Spice, pregnant Angelina Jolie, pregnant (or crazy) Britney Spears, drugged and maybe pregnant Amy Winehouse – or the photogenic, and to some - sexy - Kate McCann (and that child she lost...oh, yes, Madeleine)... on the front page of the newspapers, and Brown and his drones can quietly go about their business.
So for months now we've had to read endless, usually dredged up, stories about the McCanns' 'search' for their 'abducted' daughter everywhere (everywhere except where she went missing) and about their “agony”, “heartbreak”, “anguish”, “despair”, “grief”, and their spokesperson Clarence Mitchell's accusations of 'ludicrous smears' and, of course and most importantly, reported “rage” from the McCann camp (when things weren't quite going to plan).
But there is more to this tale. It is a success story, a mystery and a red warning light. The McCann circus got off to a good start. The loss of their little girl either to a paedophile abductor, or because of an accident or murder, or even because she had been hidden, to appear again at the 'right' moment, was turned into a corporate venture in no time: a Fund collecting money from the public, with carefully worded small print allowing the McCanns to use the money for their own purposes (two mortgage repayments so far to our knowledge), the web-site selling tat – T-shirts, wristbands, posters with the copyrighted 'Madeleine' and eye coloboma logos. And this is only the beginning. If the couple's 'arguido/a' status is lifted what glittering prizes are a little way down the line? The USA, Oprah Winfrey, books, tv shows, possibly government funded children's ambassadorial job for Kate, political opportunity in the Labour Party for Gerry...a film, already under discussion - a remake of “Gone with the Wind” would be appropriate with Kate as Scarlett – and Madeleine? Well, she's the one who's gone with the wind – as Kate said on a recent tv programme “Whoosh, clunk, and she was gone!
Now, to the 'mystery' which is this: Why did the British government under Blair send out paid personnel to help Mr and Mrs McCann? One, the couple's spokesperson Clarence Mitchell, former Head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit, is still helping to obstruct the course of justice by spin and obfuscation. He is now being paid £70,000 a year for his efforts by double glazing multi-millionaire Brian Kennedy. Why did Gordon Brown, who had ample opportunity to rescind Blair's thoughtfulness towards the McCanns, not do so? On the contrary, he put himself out considerably to help the McCanns with long phone calls, arranging meetings for them with our Home Secretary Jacqui Smith (the one who is scared to go out on the streets at night) and with David Miliband the Foreign Secretary. It was only after the couple were made suspects by the Portuguese police that Mr. Brown drew back a little and refused them the high level meeting they wanted when they fled from Portugal back to the UK in September.
Nonetheless Brown is generally thought to have leaned quite hard on the Portuguese Prime Minister Mr. Socrates at the time of the Lisbon Summit last November – to perhaps go easy on the couple...to obfuscate a little, give the Brits time to...well, time to what? After this visit to Portugal by Mr. Brown in November, the British press were even more vociferous in their support of the pair calling the Portuguese police variously “Keystone cops”, “Blundering”; “Sardine Munchers” and a lot of other choice names. This despite the compelling forensic evidence gathered by the Portuguese and British police and important phone interceptions, which they claimed, on 4th August last year, had given them the evidence that Madeleine was dead.
Why has our government gone out on a limb to help the McCanns? It is unprecedented. Why have UK newspapers not only vociferously supported the McCanns but also viciously attacked the Portuguese police and our oldest ally Portugal itself?
I can only think of one reason for each of these questions. I think the government has a vested interest in helping the McCanns to hide the truth and the newspapers have a vested interest in keeping this story running at whatever cost to the integrity of journalism and to our nation as a whole. To take the newspapers first. They no longer reflect opinion, they lead it. Remember the 'News of the World' in 2000 and its editor Rebekah Wade, when a mob of people in Portsmouth were whipped up, after the child Sarah Payne's murder? Ms.Wade had published photos and names of known sex offenders in the area. As a result two men facing sex offence charges committed suicide and the mob eventually stoned a pediatrician's home, knowing no better. In a country with an increasing number of people who don't or can't think for themselves or evaluate things and situations, it is easy to inflame and indeed, suppress opinion; to create action and more often, inaction. The media is now a weapon, and it is being used to control us. Newspapers are not now there to report news, they are there to make it. And this is the reason why the pro-McCann saga goes on and on. It suits the newspaper editors, it suits the government. And they're in this together.
Now why the government has stuck its neck out for this pair of nonentities is quite hard to determine. Is it perhaps because Gerry McCann is a Scotsman? Scotland has been flavour of the month for years now but more so now that Brown is in charge. Is it because Mr. McCann is on COMARE, an organisation which assesses the links between nuclear power and childhood cancer and Gordon Brown's brother is with EDF, the company charged with progressing the nuclear industry in Britain? Or is it because the couple are perceived to be middle-class? Yet here is the dichotomy: to be 'middle class' in the UK now is like declaring yourself a leper. The middle classes are reviled, denied, abused - leaving the country in droves for more welcoming climes; almost non-existent, so why should being middle-class help their case and bring them such comfort and support from government? After all, we're living in the age of the child, and they harmed a child, while on holiday in Portugal, by leaving her alone with her two siblings every night in a dark miserable apartment, in order that they could drink and dine with their friends. Most people would regard this, at least, as a punishable offence but the McCanns haven't been censured and they haven't been reviled by the media for their gross neglect or had their other two children removed as would surely have happened if they had been a 'normal' working-class couple.
So, assuming they are not being helped and protected because Gerry is Scottish or Kate is from Liverpool (which is well-known for producing very sensitive people), or that they are 'middle class' one wonders what is the reason? Perhaps a clue was given by a relative of the McCanns: “We've pulled in a few favours” he said. What favours, I wonder. And favours given to who by whom? Is the reason the government appears to be so keen to protect the McCanns and stall on the investigation because the McCanns may have some knowledge which might be damaging to someone in the upper echelons of power? We can only speculate what this might be in connection with their missing, presumed dead, little girl.
Isn't it also a little strange that Gerry McCann's first call after the disappearance of the child was not to the police but to his best mate from Glasgow University Alistair Clark (now Professor of Political Science & Research at Queens University, Belfast and Assessor of English Working Government). Mr. McCann's delayed reaction allowed the village of Praia de Luz and their friends to trample all over the apartment thus conveniently destroying the forensic evidence. After receiving McCann's call Clark then phoned the British Ambassador John Buck, and Sky News. Kirsty Wark of the BBC became involved then Jill Renwick (another media type) who knew John Brown (Gordon's brother) and finally the great man himself.
So, to the warning red light I mentioned. I see the McCann case as a catalyst. The British newspapers over the last nine months, especially, of course, the gutter press have sunk lower with their biased and abusive reporting of this saga than one could ever have imagined. Yes, we on the outside have been able to pick up a few bits and pieces of information but, speaking personally, most of what I have gleaned has been from erudite and informed people on this forum, for instance, or from translations from foreign newspapers or from my own gut instinct, observation and reading between the lines. As for the government – they already had a reputation for mendaciousness and cover-up, for statism and control, and for clearly demonstrated utter ineptness. Since Brown's ascendency, in my opinion, things have got worse. So the conclusion one comes to is that we, the public, are regarded as being like the proverbial mushrooms – 'keep them in the dark and feed them xxxx!' In this the government is ably assisted by the media. We must heed the red light, and resist it all." Judith C
Met als conclusie: "The anguish and desperation of her parents account for the Spanish detective-agency’s lucrative contract. The boasting and apparent false hopes fed to them by Marco could yet prove to be his downfall."quote:THE SUNDAY TIMES : “Madeleine McCann and Metodo 3: Private eyes, public lies”
“Paid £50,000 a month to find Madeleine McCann, the Spanish detective Francisco Marco said he hoped to have her home for Christmas. He issued this photofit of a suspect last month; it set off a media frenzy, but Portuguese police say it has ‘no credibility’. Christine Toomey turns the tables on a private eye who is anything but…
An interview with Francisco Marco. His company is being paid £50,000 a month by the McCann’s fighting fund
“We won’t answer any questions about Maddie. Maddie is off limits – is that understood?” Marco’s cousin Jose Luis, another of the agency’s employees, warns me sternly.”
But they are not the police. What can they not talk about the big case? It was Mr Franciso who told he’d find Madeleine by Christmas – last Christmas.
“I cannot ask him to clarify what he did say, or whether talking about an ongoing investigation is potentially detrimental. Instead, I am left to discuss the matter with a handful of other private detective agencies in Barcelona, the private-eye capital of Spain. What they tell me is disturbing”
Marco walks in. Does he bring his Maddy dolly? And:
“Marco slaps on the table a 144-page pre-prepared dossier of articles written in the Spanish press about himself and M-3. He goes on to list some of those in the city he says I have already been speaking to about his company. Had my movements been monitored? If so, why would a private detective agency be interested in this at a time when they were supposed to be tirelessly searching for the most famous missing child in the world?”
Fame.
“In most of the many pictures of himself included in the material he hands me” Metodo 3 is the most famous private detective agency in Europe.
“He seems eager to please. He summons a female assistant on several occasions to bring me material, including a book he has recently written, to illustrate what he is talking about. Even when I make it clear this is not necessary – aware that these distractions eat into the time we have to talk – he insists, partly showing off”
Then:
“When I ask about his background, Marco summons her [secretary] to photocopy the first pages of his doctoral thesis on private investigation: he has a master’s degree and a PhD in penal law”
Nou, Scotland Yard zou zich er wel eens mee kunnen gaan bemoeien, goedemiddag trouwensquote:Op zondag 10 februari 2008 09:45 schreef Suko het volgende:
Het zou mij eigenlijk niks verbazen als straks de McCanns het onderzoekstouw overnemen van Metodo 3, dat bureau heeft het voorwerk gedaan (contract loop eind maart af), en nu gaat blijken wat ze vooral niet hebben gedaan (Madeleine zoeken) is het tijd echt van start te gaan, iets wat ze altijd al voor ogen hadden...maar dit is een zondagse overweging mijnerzijds.![]()
quote:SCOTLAND Yard is being urged to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as the flawed Portuguese police inquiry appears doomed to failure.
Retired Chief Superintendent Dai Davies, former head of the Yard’s Royal Protection unit, says that if the Yard can send detectives to probe the assassination of Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan, then they should also fly to Portugal to try and solve the Madeleine mystery.
Mr Davies says the Yard’s elite kidnap and ransom squad should open a Madeleine file because of their knowledge and experience in handling seemingly unsolvable crimes.
He said: “The Portuguese investigation has quite simply not solved the crime and it is now looking increasingly likely that it will be shelved.
“I would suggest that this is the time to call on the Yard to take the lead and to get them to form a team of detectives to work on the case. They would obviously have to spend time in Portugal, assessing the known evidence, looking at potential suspects and reinterviewing when necessary.”
Now a respected expert in security and protection for rich clients around the world, Mr Davies has travelled to Praia da Luz and closely studied the lay out of the Mark Warner complex and the entry points to the McCanns’ holiday apartment from where Madeleine disappeared shortly before her fourth birthday on May 3 last year.
He concluded that her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both 39, were not involved in her disappearance. And he says there is a strong possibility that Madeleine was abducted for a purpose, probably to be sexually abused, and was later killed.
Mr Davies said Yard officers would bring a clear strategy to the investigation. He said: “The officers on the kidnap squad deal with hundreds of abductions a year, the vast majority of which are dealt with satisfactorily and competently. They work quietly and diligently to get results by following tried and tested strategies which work and deliver solutions.
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Mr Davies has travelled to Praia da Luz and closely studied the lay out of the Mark Warner complex and the entry points to the McCanns’ holiday apartment from where Madeleine disappeared shortly before her fourth birthday on May 3 last year.
He concluded that her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, both 39, were not involved in her disappearance.
Dus hij was op het complex, keek naar de ramen en deuren en wist toen plots dat de McCann's het niet gedaan hadden. Amazing!
Zo zo, Metodo 3 heeft maar liefst 40 man aan het werk, mmmm, The Times (en in december 2007 de Daily Mail ook al) meldde vorige week (in een artikel die eigenlijk Metodo 3 volledig afbrand) bij monde van één van de PI's: "So he has a team of others to do the legwork, I argue. Another long sigh. “Not as many as he claims,” comes the response. On this point, all those I speak to agree. None believes M-3’s claims that it has 40 people working on the hunt for Madeleine, since the maximum number M-3 employs in its Barcelona office, they believe, is a dozen, with another few in its Madrid branch." Je kan gewoon lezen dat Clarence Mitchell reageert op dat inmiddels geroemde artkel uit The Times en probeert zich eruit te lullen, tjonge jonge, hoe lang kan dit nog door gaan, in wat voor mega-coverup is de UK verzeild geraakt...quote:Kate and Gerry McCann's private detectives are charging the Find Madeleine fund £50,000 a month in expenses alone, it has been revealed. The Spanish agency Metodo 3 has racked up huge bills since it was appointed to the case in September and is charging them to the publicly funded appeal. The costs are in addition to their £8,000 monthly fee, which is paid by one of the couple's millionaire supporters.
Metodo 3's expenses are the biggest single cost to the rapidly dwindling fund, which raised £1.2million in public donations but is expected to run dry within months. It was previously thought that the detective agency was hired for a flat, monthly fee of £50,000 for their services.
But the Mail can reveal today that it accepted a deal of £8,000-a-month, plus unlimited expenses to take on the high profile case, which has boosted its international reputation. If its 'operational costs' top £50,000 then the excess is met by the McCanns' wealthy backers, who include double glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy and Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson. Mr Kennedy is due to review Metodo 3's six-month contract before it expires next month, amid criticism that the agency has failed to find any solid evidence about what happened to Madeleine.
Its director, Francisco Marco, has also angered Mr and Mrs McCann with his public boasts that he was 'very close' to finding their daughter, and even that he hoped to return her to her family by Christmas. The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell insisted the agency were 'doing valuable work on the ground'. He confirmed the financial arrangements behind the six-month contract but insisted the £50,000-a-month from the fund was only used to cover 'legitimate operational costs'.
Mr Mitchell said: "The monthly fee for their services is about £8,000. The £50,000 is for legitimate operational costs - having people scattered around different countries, hiring vehicles, hiring property to stay in and hotel bills. A private operation like this does cost money in terms of seeking information. It is something that needs that sustained level of funding to work. Private investigations are not cheap. The fund contributes £50,000 a month of publicly donated money because it's money to help find her. We feel that's proper use of that money."
Metodo 3 has claimed to have up to 40 agents working on the case in up to six different countries, including Morocco, Portugal and Britain. It has been criticised for lavish spending, including moving its offices into one of the most prestigious streets in Barcelona in December.
But Mr Mitchell said the majority of the spending allowance went on travel, transport and accommodation for the teams of detectives. He said: "People think it's £50,000 going straight into Francisco Marco's pocket, and that it's paying for them to move into plush new offices. Nothing could be further from the truth. They have taken this case on because it gives them a certain profile and prestige, not because it's going to make them rich. That money is used purely for legitimate operational costs and the fund is invoiced in full, as they would be for any expenses claim, which is effectively what it is. Their expenses are paid by the fund."
Metodo 3's involvement in the Madeleine case has proved controversial. Five senior members of the firm, including Mr Marco, were arrested over a phone-tapping scandal in 1995 and accused of spying. The case was later dropped over claims of police entrapment, but they were also threatened with arrest in Portugal.
Under Portuguese law it is illegal for a private investigation to be carried out on a case that is being pursued by the police, and the agency was warned not to speak to police witnesses. But Jennifer Murat, the mother of the first named suspect Robert Murat, has accused its detectives of bribing witnesses to change their accounts and has said she fears they are working to frame her expat son.
Mr Mitchell's comments that Metodo 3 has spent money 'seeking information' will fuel speculation that the agency has paid individuals for evidence.
Meanwhile, the McCanns, both 39, were said to be 'encouraged' by reports that their status as official suspects in the case will be reviewed after their friends have been re-interviewed. Portugal's Attorney General Fernando Pinto Monteiro told the newspaper Expresso: "The couple's legal status will be considered at the appropriate moment, depending on various elements still to be obtained."
The newspaper reported that the McCanns would only remain as suspects if the new interrogations of their friends, the so-called Tapas Seven, revealed 'screaming contradictions'.
Goedemorgen y'all!quote:Op maandag 11 februari 2008 20:24 schreef Suko het volgende:
Hoi Kahaarin en Voyeur.Iemand die al enige tijd in contact staat met praatjesmaker Clarence Mitchell moet je nooit vertrouwen, een eerder artikel van Mister Dai Davis Sep 27 2007: Retired North Wales cop backs McCanns over Madeleine En Beachy (een ex-cop) van dit forum merkt puntig op: "Forgive me, Mr. Davies, you could have fooled me. Based on my 28 1/2 years in police work, I thought the objective of an investigation was to SOLVE THE CRIME, not to "offer support" to the suspects. This is unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. The reaction of the British press and power structure to this case is going to make Britain a laughingstock in law enforcement all over the world." Ze verwijst hierbij naar nog een stukje in het gewraakte Express-artikel. Die Dai Davis schrijft ook stukkies (eentje zoals deze) in The Mirror nou dan weet je het wel....Mitchell kan makkelijk putten uit tig van dit soort ouwe politie-figuren (met meestal een eigen privé-detectivebureautje) die maar al te kien zijn een commentaartje te geven, altijd goed voor wéér een stukje in de pers en de naam Scotland Yard wekt vertrouwen, ondanks dat het niets doet met de zaak...
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Een inkijkje wat Metodo 3 met de centen doet, Daily Mail: McCanns' private detectives charging Find Madeleine fund £50,000 per month in EXPENSES
Zo zo, Metodo 3 heeft maar liefst 40 man aan het werk, mmmm, The Times (en in december 2007 de Daily Mail ook al) meldde vorige week (in een artikel die eigenlijk Metodo 3 volledig afbrand) bij monde van één van de PI's: "So he has a team of others to do the legwork, I argue. Another long sigh. “Not as many as he claims,” comes the response. On this point, all those I speak to agree. None believes M-3’s claims that it has 40 people working on the hunt for Madeleine, since the maximum number M-3 employs in its Barcelona office, they believe, is a dozen, with another few in its Madrid branch." Je kan gewoon lezen dat Clarence Mitchell reageert op dat inmiddels geroemde artkel uit The Times en probeert zich eruit te lullen, tjonge jonge, hoe lang kan dit nog door gaan, in wat voor mega-coverup is de UK verzeild geraakt...![]()
Hooooooooooi Kahaarin.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 10:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Inderdaad, ik ben bang dat het een spelletje wie het langst kan staren zonder te knipperen is geworden, niemand wil toegeven of wegkijken, er zijn zo veel hoge heren bij gehaald dat die echt niet meer gaan terughalen, dat zou immers betekenen dat ze moeten toegeven dat ze fout zaten.
Het gaat echt niet meer om dat kleine meisje, het gaat om gezichtsverlies van mensen die zich dat eigenlijk niet kunnen veroorloven, dat krijg je als je je mee laat zuigen in de verhalen van Gerry McCann.
quote:BIZARRE NEW E-FITS OF MADDY SUSPECT "These creepy pictures of a suspect sought over missing Madeleine McCann were released yesterday.
Criminal psychologists believe previous images of a long-haired bearded man spotted on the night of the disappearance did not properly reflect descriptions given by witnesses. Now they have created these computer efits by merging the earlier sketches commissioned by Kate and Gerry McCann.
Portuguese academics Paulo Sargento and Pedro Gamito composed the pictures using a specially-designed computer programme. The duo have previously created a 3D model of the night Madeleine disappeared to suggest her abductor would only have had an eight-minute window in which to strike. McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Although we're grateful for assistance, we hope this image will not cause confusion to the public. The image is not to be confused with the one we released, which is as accurate a likeness as possible."
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A 3 dimensional video, made by the team Paulo Sargento and Pedro Gamito ridicules the photo-fits
The work was made during a week by the forensic psychologist Paulo Sargento in partnership with the technological engineer Pedro Gamito.The team juxtaposed the three photo-fits that existed from the presumable kidnapper and work them in 20 programs of faces analysis. And dismounted the kidnapping thesis, "The kidnapping thesis is ludicrous" defends Paulo Sargento.
The video begins with the first image of the kidnapper (the faceless man) walking with the kid in his arms. In the subtitles, in English, the researcher questions: "How can the first description of the kidnapper be so vague? 1,70 meters high, dark skin, Mediterranean hair. Six months after the first description a second image: "Is it possible not to see the face of someone that carries a child and notice the beige trousers the brown jacket and the classic shoes?"
The video shows "the intuition form of looking to someone that carries a child".You look from the waist to the head and not from the waist to the feet. Eight months after, the last photo fit the face of the man with beard and long hair. "We show that this photo-fit is inconsistent with the first one. Curiously it keeps the brown jacket and the dark hair, the only common characteristics", referred to 24 Horas Paulo Sargento.
"Neanderthal style"
The "superciliary arcades" (the frontal cranium behind the eyebrows) are the style of the Neanderthal man and point to an archetype of the criminal" the forensic psychologist comments. "This means that is a hybrid photo fit made to give an appearance from the region of the Maghreb. But why must the kidnapper be from Morocco, Spain or Portugal and cannot be Anglo-Saxon? It would even make more sense to be someone who knew the family routine", he concluded. If the PJ wants to use the video it is available on the Internet.
Ach ja Suko, al die schetsen en veranderende statements, ze kunnen er zelf al helemaal geen touw meer aan vast knopen, als men vanaf dag 1 de waarheid had gesproken en een duidelijke beschrijving van alles had gegeven zonder zelfgefabriceerde engerds en rare plotwendingen dan waren er heus niet zoveel ver uiteenlopende versies opgedoken.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 11:59 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Hooooooooooi Kahaarin.Indeed, en het is zo ongelofelijk doorzichtig, als het allemaal niet zo dieptriest was geweest zou je moeten denken aan een ordinaire b-film, met een volkomen minachting voor ten eerste Madeleine én het toekijkend publiek, waarvan de bedenkers+pers van deze pulp kennelijk van mening zijn dat wij er allemaal intrappen....not!
Zoals wij weten speurt het team McCann naar fora en bloggers die mogelijk schadelijk zijn voor de ouders. Nou had een oplettende poster van het inmiddels gesloten Mirror-forum de opvallende gelijkenis van de creepy man ontdekt tov Kate McCann zoals ik eerder heb gepost: [ afbeelding ]
Maar in een artikel op The Mirror werd een nieuwe e-fit gepubliceerd, kennelijk leek de ouwe e-fit toch iets teveel op Kate (en een beetje Gerry) en dat is nu 'gecorrigeerd' ...
[ afbeelding ] (in kleur) Zelf vind ik de nieuwe creep wel wat op Jeremy Wilkins (rechts dus) lijken, degene die even met Gerry op die fatale avond stond te beppen terwijl Jane Tanner voorbij wandelde. (But Mr Wilkins said he did not see Ms Tanner or the mystery man and that it would have been impossible for them to be there without him seeing them. bron)
En 24 Horas schrijft Bron:
Ik geloof dat ze in de UK niet met balkjes werken. Overigens zie ik nog genoeg ongeblurde foto's van die kids. En wat die 'zondags armpjes' betreft (nooit van gehoord eigenlijk), het zijn dokters, die weten toch wel wat ze wel en niet moeten doen....wat je overal leest: “You know, we are very responsible carrying parents and we love our children so much and I think it is only a very few people that are actually criticising us.” Neuh, dat zit wel goed, toch?!quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 13:20 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Goed dat het kind weggeblurd is. Voor je het weet grijpt een predator hem, maar moeten die ouders niet zo'n balkje over hun ogen? Het zijn toch verdachten?
Overigens zie ik vaak dat soort foto's. Kan iemand die ouders eens uitleggen dat je daar 'zondag armpjes' van krijgt.
Zondagsarmpje, gebroken sleutelbeen, komt van aan 1 armpje trekken volgens mij, aan 2 tegelijk kan niet zo heel veel kwaad, als het maar rustig gebeurt.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 13:20 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Goed dat het kind weggeblurd is. Voor je het weet grijpt een predator hem, maar moeten die ouders niet zo'n balkje over hun ogen? Het zijn toch verdachten?
Overigens zie ik vaak dat soort foto's. Kan iemand die ouders eens uitleggen dat je daar 'zondag armpjes' van krijgt.
De zwarte balkjes waren ironisch bedoeld Suko. Het leek me zo'n leuk plaatje op te leveren met twee geblurde kinderen en twee ouders met zo'n balkquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:02 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Ik geloof dat ze in de UK niet met balkjes werken. Overigens zie ik nog genoeg ongeblurde foto's van die kids. En wat die 'zondags armpjes' betreft (nooit van gehoord eigenlijk), het zijn dokters, die weten toch wel wat ze wel en niet moeten doen....wat je overal leest: “You know, we are very responsible carrying parents and we love our children so much and I think it is only a very few people that are actually criticising us.” Neuh, dat zit wel goed, toch?!![]()
@ Kahaarin, well said.
Tja, de halve wereld snapt 't uitstekend, voornamelijk op fora en blogs, via de pers wordt je niks wijzer. Waarom ze dan zo moeilijk doen...Pedofielenjacht? > Geld? > Roem? > of toch een coverup van een moord/ongeluk dat waarschijnlijk nooit wordt opgelost wegens tegenwerking (lees bescherming) van de UK? Ik hoop dan maar op een oneindige Arguido-status, dat is dus mogelijk, op z'n minst worden ze zo klem gezet om verder geldinzamelingen/interviews te voorkomen. May they rot in hell, uh... Rothley...quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:06 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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@Suko, als wij het al snappen waarom doen ze dan zo moeilijk?
Ja wel, dat begreep ik ook wel hoor, zo dus...heb ook wel weer wat.quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 20:19 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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De zwarte balkjes waren ironisch bedoeld Suko. Het leek me zo'n leuk plaatje op te leveren met twee geblurde kinderen en twee ouders met zo'n balk
Mooi plaatje. Nu nog Madeleine's geest aan de andere hand van Kate. Of doe maar gewoon een Pond tekenquote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 22:01 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Tja, de halve wereld snapt 't uitstekend, voornamelijk op fora en blogs, via de pers wordt je niks wijzer. Waarom ze dan zo moeilijk doen...Pedofielenjacht? > Geld? > Roem? > of toch een coverup van een moord/ongeluk dat waarschijnlijk nooit wordt opgelost wegens tegenwerking (lees bescherming) van de UK? Ik hoop dan maar op een oneindige Arguido-status, dat is dus mogelijk, op z'n minst worden ze zo klem gezet om verder geldinzamelingen/interviews te voorkomen. May they rot in hell, uh... Rothley...![]()
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Reminder: The McCann Infantile Memory < (filmpjes) > Questions that need answers!
Een slang misschien, in het kader van soort zoekt soort?quote:Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 22:43 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Mooi plaatje. Nu nog Madeleine's geest aan de andere hand van Kate. Of doe maar gewoon een Pond teken
quote:Fact= Joana Cipriano Body was never found. Her Mother and uncle were convicted to 16 years in Prison for murder.
The Case of Joana Cipriano
Joana Cipriano
The case of Joana Cipriano highlights serious omissions on the part of authorities who failed to spot that the little girl was being exploited and neglected. According to a neighbour of the girl, Joana seemed unnaturally mature for her age. “She has a bearing and an attitude greatly beyond her years. Instead of playing with other children, she seems to spend her time taking care of her two little brothers.” Another neighbour described her as the “Cinderella” of the household, seen at all times of the day and night in the village, running errands for her family.
In September of 2004, Algarve knew another tragic history which evolved a child death. In the beginning, the mother, Leonor Cipriano started for presenting complaint in the GNR on the alleged disappearance of her daughter Joana of 8 years.
The PJ still investigated the presumption abduction, but this theory fast became false when the proper mother of the girl passed of complaining to suspicion.
After long inquiries, happened what was feared. João Cipriano, uncle of the girl and brother of Leonor, confessed to the PJ that he and his sister had spanked the girl until the death. Months later, added to his confession that had quartered the corpse. According to João, the body had been cut in three parts and kept in a refrigerating coffer, where the PJ found blood vestiges that corresponded to the girl. The brothers had gotten rid themselves of the body in the following days of the crime, but they didn’t say where they had hidden it.
Court hears Joana’s horror story
Onlookers in the public gallery screamed abuse at the mother and uncle of Joana Cipriano as they were ferried to and from court.
The case, which has shocked the nation with its account of incest, murder and desecration, took just three days to be tried. The Public Ministry has pressed for jail terms of 24 years for the defendants, who are charged with qualified murder, as well as desecrating and concealing a body.
Joana disappeared, presumed murdered, in the Algarve village of Figueira, near Portimão. She was last seen buying food from a nearby café on the evening of September 12 last year. Prosecutors charge that she came home to find her mother, 34-year-old Leonor Cipriano, and her uncle, 32-year-old João Cipriano, having sex. Fearful that Joana would relate the incident to her stepfather, they allege that the couple decided to kill her. The prosecution also said that the couple had repeatedly mistreated Joana, recounting that she was little more than a “servant” in her own household.
The court heard a catalogue of horrifying details, including an earlier video taped confession from Joana’s uncle in which he related the circumstances of his niece’s murder. This video testimony is now the subject of an appeal from the defence team who claim it should be excluded because the couple exercised their right to remain silent during the trial. In the taped confession, João Cipriano said he and his sister hit Joana who then banged her head against a wall before collapsing, unconscious, onto the floor. João Cipriano claimed that he had wanted to call an ambulance but that his sister prevented him, telling him instead to go to Joana’s stepfather and inform him that she had disappeared.
Mother had appealed for daughter’s return
Her mother made subsequent public appeals for her daughter’s safe return, claiming that she had been kidnapped. But authorities began to suspect the couple after villagers noted their allegedly offhand reaction to Joana’s disappearance. Local shopkeeper Nídia Rochato remembered that Leonor neither cried nor seemed unduly concerned. When she commented on this to her, Leonor reportedly replied that she believed that her daughter was still alive.
The absence of a corpse delayed the arraignment process but the Public Ministry were able to indict the couple following statements from neighbours. Investigators also gathered forensic evidence at the house where Joana lived with her mother, stepfather and two brothers.
A total of 45 witnesses, mostly relatives and villagers, testified in court between Wednesday and Friday of last week. Four jurors (one man and three women) and three judges will decide the verdict. The opinions of the jurors – a 20-year-old student, a physiotherapist, a library employee and a waitress – will carry the same weight as the judges.
Joana’s uncle had contempt for human life
Leonor and João Cipriano, who have been held on remand for over a year, stood silently and without emotion as they heard prosecutor José Pinheiro outline his case. He described João Cipriano as a man who “has contempt for human life, psychopathic tendencies and difficulty in controlling impulses”. Pinheiro also castigated Joana’s mother for her “emotional instability, insensitivity and disregard for other people’s needs”. Only when Pinheiro announced that he was pressing for a 24-year jail term for both defendants did Leonor show emotion, sobbing uncontrollably.
Pinheiro explained why his team was pressing for such a long sentence. “The defendants’ guilt is heightened by their cold and calculating behaviour after their child’s death, as well as the devious manoeuvres they adopted to conceal the crime,” he said.
The trial included key testimony from Joana’s stepfather, António Leandro, who related that Leonor had confided to him that she had had a sexual relationship with her brother. He also told the court that during this conversation, which took place a few days after Joana’s disappearance, at judicial police headquarters, Leonor had admitted that she and her brother had killed the little girl.
A key element of the prosecution’s case rests on the fact that the couple dismembered the girl’s corpse. António Leandro, confronted with photographs of tools allegedly used by the couple, said he recognised a saw he had kept at home. In the video taped confession, João Cipriano admitted that the body of the girl was dismembered and placed in a refrigerated trunk. A doctor involved in the case, Albino Santana dos Santos, conceded that body parts, matching the size of a girl of Joana’s height, could have been stuffed inside the trunk.
Defence team challenges evidence
Despite the evidence, João Grado, Leonor Cipriano’s lawyer, still pressed for her acquittal, describing the evidence as “miserable”. João Cipriano’s lawyer, Sara Rosado, reminded the court that Joana’s body had never been found and dismissed the prosecution’s version of events. “João Cipriano has an intelligence level considerably lower than the average. How is it possible that such a person could deceive everyone for so long?” she asked the court.
But prosecutors disagreed, describing the case as a “veritable horror story that proves that reality really does surpass fiction”. “Nobody can say that they wanted to kill her when they hit. But later when they persisted, they knew that she was going to die. Their guilt is absolute – the victim was a minor, the daughter and niece of the defendants,” they told the court.
The corpse of the girl never was found, but this fact didn’t hinder the PJ to continue with the inquiries, and in November of 2005 the court of Portimão condemned Leonor to twenty years and four months of arrest and João Cipriano to a penalty of nineteen years and two months.
The absence of a corpse delayed the arraignment process but the Public Ministry were able to indict the couple following statements from neighbours. Investigators also gathered forensic evidence at the house where Joana lived with her mother, stepfather and two brothers.
Pinheiro castigated Joana’s mother for her “emotional instability, insensitivity and disregard for other people’s needs”. Only when Pinheiro announced that he was pressing for a 24-year jail term for both defendants did Leonor show emotion, sobbing uncontrollably.
Pinheiro explained why his team was pressing for such a long sentence. “The defendants’ guilt is heightened by their cold and calculating behaviour after their child’s death, as well as the devious manoeuvres they adopted to conceal the crime,” he said.
The trial included key testimony from Joana’s stepfather, António Leandro, who related that Leonor had confided to him that she had had a sexual relationship with her brother. He also told the court that during this conversation, which took place a few days after Joana’s disappearance, at judicial police headquarters, Leonor had admitted that she and her brother had killed the little girl.
A key element of the prosecution’s case rests on the fact that the couple dismembered the girl’s corpse. António Leandro, confronted with photographs of tools allegedly used by the couple, said he recognised a saw he had kept at home. In the video taped confession, João Cipriano admitted that the body of the girl was dismembered and placed in a refrigerated trunk. A doctor involved in the case, Albino Santana dos Santos, conceded that body parts, matching the size of a girl of Joana’s height, could have been stuffed inside the trunk.
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The couple received 16 year sentences.
What the report doesn’t say is the mother waited 2 days before she notified the police.
During that time she washed her house down with petrol.Blood was found in the freezer belonging to Joana which the mother claimed came from a nose bleed after she had given Joana a beating.
3 years later the brother has written a letter in which he claimed that Joana had been sold by her mother and was not dead.
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and again from another source:
Leoneor Ciprinao and his brother, who had a incestuous relationship, were both sentenced to 16 years in prison, for the killing of the child, Joana Cipriano.
They killed her, after she came back home earlier and found sister and brother (her mother and her uncle) having sexual relations. They cut the body in pieces, kept a few in the refrigerator, than burned and gave the remainings to the pigs, to eat . Samples of blood of the child, Joana Cipriano, were found inside her mother’s refrigerator.
Leonor Cipriano accused five officers of beating her. They were put on a police line-up and she didn’t recognize not even one of the alleged aggressors (including Chief-Inspector Gonçalo Amaral). The magistrate of the Public Prosecutor’s Office investigated the complaint of Leonor Cipriano against CID Chief-Inspector Gonçalo Amaral and the other five CID officers and decided to prosecute them, didn’t included in the accusation documents the results of the police line-up (which took place with Leonor Cipriano behind a two-way mirror…)
That magistrate is being sued by the Portuguese CID Officers union, and has a complaint with the Conselho Superior da Magistratura (”High Magistrates Council”) the body in charge of nominating and disciplining judges and magistrates from the Public Prosecutor’s Office.
Update: the trial of the officers who supposedly beaten up Leonor Cipriano started today 11th of February in the Court of Portimão.
Het is idd een ziek verhaal, jammer voor team McCann dat er nogal haken en ogen aan deze zaak zitten, ze hebben dit verhaal gebruikt om sympathie te winnen voor hun eigen zaak, wel ironisch eigenlijk, echt een gelijksoortig verhaal.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 13:13 schreef Suko het volgende:
Pffft, het blijft een horror-story, al zou de helft maar waar zijn. Overigens is Lazy Goncalo Amaral (aldus The Mirror) gewoon weer met de zaak Madeleine bezig, 20/01/2008 The Mirror: "The disgraced cop who was sacked from the Madeleine McCann inquiry is to RETURN to work on the case." Een 'gezellig' artikel verder...Hij weet natuurlijk heel veel van het onderzoek en zal beslist van waarde zijn wat betreft het verdere verloop in deze en gebruik van het bewijsmateriaal.
En verder een hoop gezeik in The Sun over of het nou wel/niet verstandig was hoe de zaak Madeleine tot nu is verlopen, te snel als Arguido's benoemd waardoor medewerking aan het onderzoek door de McCanns ernstig is gestremd etc etc. Natuurlijk kijkt Clarence Mitchell ongetwijfeld hier met een zeker genoegen naar: "“We are sitting tight to hear what Mr Costa says.” (PORTUGAL’S justice minister) Het leidt allemaal weer zo af van de werkelijke kwestie, de vragen die aan de Tapas 7 en de McCanns moeten worden gesteld, of zijn de verzoeken daartoe inmiddels aan het verstoffen in een bureaula, ergens in de UK...![]()
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"I have evidence that the statements by the National Director of the PJ, did not affect the progress of the investigation," said the Minister of Justice of Portugal, Alberto Costa, during his questioning before the parliamentary committee News of Constitutionnels, rights, freedoms and guarantees where he had been invited to explain the recent statements by National Director of the Judicial Police, Alipio Ribeiro to Case Madeleine McCann. "It was my duty to maintain confidence in the national director of the Judicial Police, said Alberto Costa, adding that" any other attitude would have resulted had the biggest drawbacks. "
In response to parliamentarians, the Minister has ensured that the statements by the National Director of the Judicial Police did not violate the secrecy of Justice if it did "there would have been an investigation." The national director of the Judicial Police, Alipio Ribeiro, said during an interview that there had been "hasty" at the time of the designer couple as arguidos McCann.
About investigators Madeleine case, the Minister has defended "they are people experienced, professional, mature, which is not - as some articles have suggested - restless, unmotivated intimately e frustrated by any word that has been said in terms more or less debatable." Bron
I've emailed this to the BBC Zo besluit een poster op het 3arguidoforumquote:Madeleine case Justice Minister considers it is "premature" to speak of the failure of the investigation. The Justice Minister, Alberto Costa, considered today it was "premature" to announce the failure of the investigation into the Madeleine case and defended that the development of the process should be awaited "without noise"
"We should await the development of the process without noise and we should not be premature in marking the outcome of the process", Alberto Costa said during the First Parliamentary Comission about the controversial statements that were made by the national director of the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) concerning the case of the English child that disppeared in the Algarve in May 2007. The national director of the PJ, Alipio Ribeiro, stated, during an interview, that there may have been precipitation in the constitution of Kate and Gerry McCann, the child's parents, into arguidos.
When questioned by Nuno Melo, an MP from CDS/PP, about the truthfulness of Alipio Ribeiro's statements, the minister was peremptory: "I don't know, I don't want to know, and I cannot know whether they are false or true". In another phase of the audition, which had been requested by CDS/PP, Alberto Costa remembered that "as a member of government, he never publicly comments on statements from persons who depend from him".
Earlier, the minister had guaranteed to the MP's in the Parliamentary Comission for Constitutional Matters that the comment from the PJ's top official had not affected "the superior course of the process" and that he has no indication that there may have been a "violation of the judicial secrecy".
Aguiar Branco, an MP from PSD, criticised that the Minister of Justice and communist MP Antonio Filipe - who dismissed the initiative from CDS/PP as "noise" - had diminished the value of Alipio Ribeiro's statements. "We are playing with fire. There is an ongoing dismissal of the statements that are made by judicial agents within this Commission", the former Justice Minister said, also referring to the parliamentary audition of the Public Prosecutor, Pinto Ribeiro, about his statements concerning phone tapping.
Like Helena Pinto, from Bloco de Esquerda, Aguiar Branco considered that the minister only gave "procedural justifications". "This is not a technical issue. The problem is one of political management of the situation", Aguiar Branco said, questioning whether the minister considered that Alipio Ribeiro's words were "innocuous".
The social-democrat MP insisted that this is "a problem of institutional trust", and that it was necessary to "draw political consequences from the statements".Nuno Melo also criticised the alleged attempt to dismiss Alipio Ribeiro's statements, mentioning that those "had consequences on the credibility of Justice" and "external and internal" repercussions on the image of criminal investigation and of the country itself."
Er is zoveel bewijs met al die zogenaamd veelbelovende thickening plots dat deze reeks in nieuws in stand wordt gehouden door een stampvoetende Sicko, (en kennelijk door nog drie niet noemenswaardige oude vrouwelijke zuurtjes) die graag één keer in haar leven gelijk wil halen.quote:Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 23:49 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Een restje complot denken? Er is een dossier, de McCann's zijn officieel verdacht, de details van de zaak zijn niet bekend, maar er zijn veel aanwijzingen dat er belastend materiaal is waaronder DNA sporen en er zijn aantoonbaar grote gaten in de getuigenverklaringen.
Als dat complot denken is, dan hadden we op Fok ook alle speculaties over Holleeder moeten stoppen totdat de rechter geoordeeld had. Leg mij uit waarom dat wel mocht en dit niet (en niet zeggen dat je in de nieuwe Revu gelezen had dat .... want in de McCann zaak zijn er nog veel meer bladen die zeer belastende zaken publiceren dan wel suggereren).
Zo werk je alle mensen weg uit deze reeks?quote:Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 16:01 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Graag gedaan en goedemiddag.![]()
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Dat dus en verder, geen woorden meer aan vuil maken.![]()
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Inderdaad, de politie in Portugal zal heus CM niet aan zijn neus hangen waar ze mee bezig zijn, en de Britse autoriteiten kunnen ook roepen wat ze willen, die kunnen niets veranderen aan een onderzoek in een vreemd land.
Buiten dat, er is toch DNA bewijs of word ik nu gek?
Dan lees je toch niet, dit is een openbaar forum, waar iedereen mag discussieren over wat hij/zij maar wil, jij begint met op de man spelen, schelden en beledigen, nogmaals, wat wij met onze tijd willen doen en welke woorden wij wensen te gebruiken gaat jou niets aan, jouw toon staat mij gewoon niet aan.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:51 schreef Troubles. het volgende:
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Er is zoveel bewijs met al die zogenaamd veelbelovende thickening plots dat deze reeks in nieuws in stand wordt gehouden door een stampvoetende Sicko, (en kennelijk door nog drie niet noemenswaardige oude vrouwelijke zuurtjes) die graag één keer in haar leven gelijk wil halen.
Dit topic "the plot thickens" vind ik nogal pretentieus in NWS. En als nieuwslezer stoor ik me eraan.
Als je je echt zo druk maakt ga je dan op de internationaal vermiste kinderen pagina vermaken. Zo denk ik dan weer. Maak je dan eens echt ergens hard voor i.p.v. eigen gelijk willen halen als een nep-sherlock met een ziekelijk obsessie om hier een stel mensen koste wat het kost te willen nagelen.
Er is geen bewijs en dit gebeuren stinkt naar een heksenjacht.
Verder heb ik niets tegen speculeren, ik constateer alleen dat jij er w.d.b. een dubbele moraal op na houdt.
Oh, en om e.e.a. voor te zijn, je post heeft me niet aan het denken gezet, ik ben fysiek niet altijd in staat om hier te posten.
quote:Op woensdag 30 januari 2008 21:00 schreef Troubles. het volgende:
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Really, the plot thickens!![]()
En dit topic wordt dag in dag uit, al maand in maand uit, in leven gehouden door een handjevol idiote wijven die alleen maar gelijk willen zien.![]()
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quote:Op woensdag 30 januari 2008 23:35 schreef Troubles. het volgende:
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Je beeldt je ook werkelijk in dat ik deze reeks volg.
Nee snoepje, er is weer een zoveelste Maddy topic in NWS en ik volg het nieuws en dit is geen nieuws. Maar jij met je maandenlange 24/7 belangstelling voor deze zaak hebt helemaal geen hoop op een levende Maddy in welzijn, flikker toch op, jouw hoop richt zich enkel op je gelijk willen halen op een wel zeer ziekelijke manier.
Sicko logt iedere dag aan om haar levenswerk te vervullen en de McCanns aan de schandpaal te nagelen, want Sicko die heeft het van begin af aan wel gezegd hoor.
Fora sluiten en dat is natuurlijk niet voor niets he? Vast allemaal een complot he, Sicko? Die zijn omgekocht door de McCanns.
Nee, Sicko, de koek is op. Er zijn geen harde bewijzen enkel hier een een handjevol zure wijven die werkelijk geen flikker om handen hebben en dat in NWS zonder enige nieuwswaarde.
The plot thickens.
quote:Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 20:48 schreef Troubles. het volgende:
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Die zogenaamde brave uitleg aan de 'simpele zielen' zou niet eens nodig hoeven zijn wanneer het hier concreet ergens over zou gaan i.p.v een restje complotdenken van wat zure ouwe wijven.
Je zegt zelf dat jou die andere langlopende serie niet boeit maar daar tegen ageer je wel?
The plot is thinning by the freaking minute.
Ik heb maar 1 post gezien waar je geen scheldwoorden hebt gebruikt, deze:quote:Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 21:56 schreef Troubles. het volgende:
De politie is alvast niet te vertrouwen.
Goed begin want dan gaan we de waarheid wel even via internet oplossen.
Sicko is nog gekker dan Babyloniaa en die is echt wel gek.
-> BNW eigen heksenjachtweblogje.
Op deze manier wens ik niet te communiceren.quote:Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 21:45 schreef Troubles. het volgende:
Meid, je hebt je werk voor vandaag weer gedaan.![]()
Waarom begin je niet een eigen weblog?
Nee hoor, alleen mensen die het nodig vinden om mij uit te schelden en denken dat ze het recht hebben neerbuigend tegen mij te doen.quote:Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 23:59 schreef Troubles. het volgende:
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Zo werk je alle mensen weg uit deze reeks?![]()
Nee, er is geen bewijs.
http://www.irishexaminer.(...)qid=55276-qqqx=1.aspquote:THE police investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance in the Algarve is nearing its end, Portugal’s justice minister said last night.
Alberto Costa told a parliamentary committee hearing in Lisbon: “We are at a stage now where we are approaching the conclusion of the process.”
Mr Costa said it was “premature” to say whether the investigation would reveal what happened to Madeleine, citing British statistics showing that about 80% of similar cases in Britain remained unresolved.
The minister described the many leaks in the case, which apparently came from Portuguese officials, as “worrying”.
Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the missing girl’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, said: “If the case is coming to a conclusion, we hope it will conclude shortly with the finding of Madeleine and her being reunited with her parents.
“That is the only satisfactory conclusion for us.”
Mr Mitchell added they remain confident Kate and Gerry’s suspect status will be lifted in the near future.
Goedemiddagquote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 13:20 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the missing girl’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, said: “If the case is coming to a conclusion, we hope it will conclude shortly with the finding of Madeleine and her being reunited with her parents.
“That is the only satisfactory conclusion for us.”
Wat een waanzinnige opmerking. Er is toch helemaal niemand die serieus gelooft dat de Portugese politie binnenkort uit de hoge hoed Madeleine terugtovert.
quote:New Poster Campaign Launched In Madeleine McCann Hunt
Feb 14 2008
A POSTER campaign linking the disappearance of Madeleine McCann with two missing Spanish children is being launched today.
Nearly 18,000 are being sent out across Spain. They will show Madeleine with either Mari Luz Cortes, five, or Yeremi Vargas, seven.
They carry the headline No Nos Olvideis - Spanish for "Don't forget us" - and phone numbers where possible sightings can be reported.
Mari went missing in Huelva, 120 miles from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, on January 13. Madeleine vanished from Praia da Luz on last May 3 .Yeremi disappeared on Gran Canaria in March 2007.
The Helping To Find Madeleine support group produced the posters.
Kate and Gerry McCann's spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "We know the Portuguese police looking for Madeleine have examined both cases and our investigators have also looked at them and continue to keep an open mind."
In Portugal, the police inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance is about to end, it was claimed yesterday.
Justice minister Alberto Costa told a Lisbon hearing: "We're at a stage where we're approaching the conclusion of the process."
Hoi Kahaarin, ondanks dat het er mogelijk niet gunstig uitziet wat betreft 'Justice for Mdeleine' zie ik dit artikel meer als Clarence-talk, net zoals ik eerder de links heb gepost in dit bericht, want de Portugese pers geeft aan dit gemor binnen de PJ toch een iets andere draai, een snipper uit SIC News alwaar een 3arguido-poster een transcript heeft gemaakt: "Newsreader: The Minister of Justice guarantees that the investigation of the Maddie case has not been affected by the Judicial Police director. Alberto Costa went to Parliament today to explain the situation to MPs and announced that the investigation was in the final stages." < Dat kan dus ook gewoon betekenen dat idd het onderzoek tot een einde raakt en er tot slot nog wat vragen moeten worden beantwoord. Dát zal er ooit van moeten komen en indien niet, dan moet er toch een verdomde goede verklaring vanuit de UK worden gefabriceerd die zowel het onderzoek, de UK én portugal recht moeten doen, en het publiek eigenlijk ook wel.quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 12:08 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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Het onderzoek beeindigen, dat zat er vanaf het begin wel in, alleen vind ik het vreemd om zo'n uitspraak te doen terwijl er nog een brief ergens zweeft, waar is die brief en wie heeft hem in z'n bureaula liggen?
Inderdaad, het onderzoek gewoon sluiten kan niet, er zal wel een statement moeten komen en een uitspraak over de arguido status van de McCanns en het tapas 7 complot.quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 13:57 schreef Suko het volgende:
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Hoi Kahaarin, ondanks dat het er mogelijk niet gunstig uitziet wat betreft 'Justice for Mdeleine' zie ik dit artikel meer als Clarence-talk, net zoals ik eerder de links heb gepost in dit bericht, want de Portugese pers geeft aan dit gemor binnen de PJ toch een iets andere draai, een snipper uit SIC News alwaar een 3arguido-poster een transcript heeft gemaakt: "Newsreader: The Minister of Justice guarantees that the investigation of the Maddie case has not been affected by the Judicial Police director. Alberto Costa went to Parliament today to explain the situation to MPs and announced that the investigation was in the final stages." < Dat kan dus ook gewoon betekenen dat idd het onderzoek tot een einde raakt en er tot slot nog wat vragen moeten worden beantwoord. Dát zal er ooit van moeten komen en indien niet, dan moet er toch een verdomde goede verklaring vanuit de UK worden gefabriceerd die zowel het onderzoek, de UK én portugal recht moeten doen, en het publiek eigenlijk ook wel.
Dat viel mij ook op, had hem er net tussen gefrummelt, uit respect voor de ouders van die kinderen my nose, staat dat meisje er nog bij van die mishandelde moeder?quote:En verder gaat een nieuwe poster-campagne van start in Spanje, Sky News: "Two A3-size posters have been produced - one depicting Madeleine, alongside five-year-old Mari Luz Cortes, and one showing her with seven-year-old Yeremi Vargas." Mr Mitchell said the reason why the other two children are included is "out of courtesy to their respective families". "They are going through the same agony as Kate and Gerry. Their children are missing in the region in potentially similar circumstances," he said."
Waarbij opvalt dat alleen voor Madeleine Metodo 3 (te zien op de posters) moet worden gebeld. Die andere kinderen zijn nog steeds niet vermeld in de database van The International Centre for Missing & Exploited Children (ICMEC), genoemd op de site van de McCanns, hoezo begaan met hun lot...
Negeren ga ik vanaf nu ook doen, ik kan er slecht tegen dat iemand zo zit te schelden en iedereen de gek aan zit te steken zonder enige reden, ik heb haar niets gedaan waarom moet ze dan schelden?quote:@ Kahaarin, laten we onze schoothond Troubles maar negeren, is een bekend forum/topic-verschijnsel, dat blaft alleen een beetje, niks inhoudelijks, kan geen kwaad....woef!![]()
Precies, de McCanns levenslang verzekerd van een appeltje voor de dorst, remember dat het geld uit het Maddy-fund alleen bij afsluiting van deze zaak vrij komt voor andere vermiste kinderen?quote:En dat de McCanns, bij monde van Clarence M, zoiets zegt, dat ze alleen tevreden zijn met het terugbrengen van Madeleine is buitengewoon voor de hand liggend, ik las zelfs dat hij hoopt dat de zaak open blijft voor dit doel....ach Clarrie, schat van me, je doet je werk echt goed...![]()
Dacht ik al wel, dat was de vorige keer ook al zo, ze moeten gewoon weer de uitgaven verantwoorden.quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 14:00 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Nada en España.
De enige 'posters' die ik zie zijn eenvoudige kopietjes die oproepen uit te kijken naar Mariluz, dat andere verdwenen meisje dat een week lang het liefje van Kate was, maar nu onder unturned stones lijkt te liggen.
Maar wie weet gaan brieven van Portugal naar de Engelse politie net zo langzaam als posters de andere kant op
Die CM is echt een lunatic. 'Portugese police examined both cases'. Welnee beleefdheidshalve hebben ze een blik geworpen op het opsporingsverzoek voor Yeremi en Mariluz en het afgedaan als een compleet andere kwestie. Was ook makkelijk: de McCann's hadden een alibi want hebben zich verschant in veilig Engeland dus het kon niet dezelfde dader zijn
De zaak is gesloten toen de moeder werd veroordeeld, de zaak tegen de rechercheurs stond daar los van geloof ik, haar advocaten zouden wel bezig zijn met heropenen maar daar heb ik verder nog niets over gelezen.quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 14:31 schreef Suko het volgende:
@ Voyeur, right...weten we dat ook weer, alhoewel er ook massaal 'gespamd ' gaat worden! Dit keer kost het niet zoveel: "In all, some 17,400 packs have been produced, costing the Find Madeleine Fund £3,000. An email version is also being sent out to thousands of recipients." Sky News
@ Kahaarin, ik denk Joana Cipriano echt wel wreed is vermoord en niet meer opgegeven is als vermist, zo'n lekkere familie is dat nou ook weer niet, arm kind...
Die nieuwe poster-campagne (Bron) wordt ondersteund/gemaakt door die engerds van Helping To Find Madeleine support group, een doorgeslagen. naar mijn mening, cultgroep cq sekte. Ik heb daar eerder over gepost, brrr...een soort van recruteringsclub met een devotie voor de McCanns die geenszins 'fris' is te noemen, integendeel, jasses!
quote:Don´t believe in everything you read or listen. I have not heard nothing from Mr. Mitchell. If he is not saying something, then I don´t care about the news. To the McCanns, please my friends, stay strong, have faith, have hope, God will one day soon bring your sweet Madeleine and also sweet MariLuz safe and sound back to their parents. God, please, protect these to sweet little girls and help us all to know their real whereabouts and to bring them safe to their homes very soon. To the person or more then one who are with those two little girls, please, please, don´t harm them in any way, don´t scare them in way, don´t hurt them in any way, be patience with them, gives them great meals, breat bath conditions, clean and confortable towels and clothes, gives them lots of toys and dolls to play. Let them have lots of space to run and to play, be kind to them, and let them returns safe and well to both their families.
Wat betreft Joana Cipriano, het gaat er nu om of Portugese cops haar moeder hebben gemept, daar is nogal twijfel over, blog van Duarte Levy: "A letter sent by another prisoner contradicts this version: she affirms that, while in prison, Joana’s mother had said that she had fallen down the stairs but that after a meeting with the prison director, she changed her version and said instead that she had been tortured and that she hoped to receive damages.quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 14:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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De zaak is gesloten toen de moeder werd veroordeeld, de zaak tegen de rechercheurs stond daar los van geloof ik, haar advocaten zouden wel bezig zijn met heropenen maar daar heb ik verder nog niets over gelezen.
Dat is idd een zacht gezegd een vreemd groepje, het zou me niets verbazen als de loge van Gerry van de vrijmetselaars daar een grote vinger in de pap heeft.
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Van het gastenboek, een beetje wereldvreemd misschien?
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En dat laatste is zeker het geval, wát gaat er nog gebeuren, en if so, wáár is het wachten op...wát probeert Portugal ons te zeggen of houden ze hun troefkaart, DE vragen, goed beschermd en zal geduld worden beloond....quote:I've almost given up trying to analyse announcements about the Madeleine case from Portuguese officials. Everything that appears to be a clue, a development or admission of incompetence is then contradicted. And usually blamed on a poor translation.
Even those with fluent Portuguese struggle to understand the nuances of the country's complicated legal system. So how am I expected to wade through the confusion? The latest comes from the justice minister who claims, apparently, that the case is to be wrapped up with detectives conceding defeat. They just don't know what happened to Madeleine.
In the wake of all this, I get two calls from colleagues in Portugal warning me to treat the story with care. "It's still not clear what is being said," says one caller. And that's from someone whose judgement is pretty good, but even he doesn't know what it means.
Opvallend dat onderstaand commentaar er nog steeds staat:quote:Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 19:52 schreef Suko het volgende:
[..] >knip<
En verder is Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt ook het spoor bijster, in het begin absoluut pro-McCann, maar heeft een paar maanden terug 24.12.07 best een kritische docu (eventueel hier terug te zien) gemaakt, wat schrijft hij vandaag:[quote]I've almost given up trying to analyse announcements about the Madeleine case from Portuguese officials. Everything that appears to be a clue, a development or admission of incompetence is then contradicted. And usually blamed on a poor translation.
Even those with fluent Portuguese struggle to understand the nuances of the country's complicated legal system. So how am I expected to wade through the confusion? The latest comes from the justice minister who claims, apparently, that the case is to be wrapped up with detectives conceding defeat. They just don't know what happened to Madeleine.
In the wake of all this, I get two calls from colleagues in Portugal warning me to treat the story with care. "It's still not clear what is being said," says one caller. And that's from someone whose judgement is pretty good, but even he doesn't know what it means.
Kijken of dit er morgen nog staat, als een zeer goed kritisch, onderbouwd bondig commentaar..quote:Comments
Martin.
Surely by now, you must have realized that for a Country, who follows a secrecy law, they"re not going to put everything into plain old english just for us. Why should they anyway? The PJ should have been left alone to get on with their job, and the not so Honorable British Press should now leave them alone to do just that, and stop printing mis-interpretations, if they are not confident in what was actually said. If there is any more reporting then at least stick to the truth and if they dont know it dont print. I think we have all had it up to here with spin, and yesterday for me was the limit.
I have come to the point where, I now hope that the Portuguese are leading you all up the garden path, until they are ready to bring some conclusion, to what can only be described as a very complex case.You know that Martin. And what has been insinuated about the Portuguese people and their Judicial system, is disgraceful.
Bottom line Martin is that its starting to sound like no one can do anything better than we british. As for the story going off the boil, what story? there has never been any Investigative Journalistic story anyway. You all allowed yourselves to be guided by Clarence Mitchell. Well done. For the past several months there is no honour in being British.
Truly annoyed now with the press.
Yours Sincerely as ever. Sandra Ryan. Posted by: Sandra Ryan. Spain. 14 Feb 2008 17:04:46
Welke hunt for Madeleine precies? De niet bestaande posters? De campagne om hun eigen straatje schoon te vegen? Of de 'steun' voor andere vermiste kinderen die zijdelings genoemd worden?quote:Defiant Kate and Gerry McCann will keep their detectives searching for their daughter even if police shelve the case, it emerged today.
The couple have pledged never to abandon the hunt for Madeleine, despite signals from the Portuguese police that they are ready to file the investigation.
Mr McCann's brother John said they wanted police to clear them as suspects so they could focus fully on the campaign for the missing girl.
Helemaal eerlijk en open zijn, alle vragen beantwoorden en de pers niet opzoeken zou daarbij de beste hulp zijn geweest, ze hebben het circus zelf gemaakt, daarbij ook dingen verzwegen/verdraaid.quote:Campaign: New posters of Madeleine McCann and Mari Luz Cortes warn: 'Don't you forget'
He said: "They want to be able to concentrate on searching for their daughter instead of defending themselves from a completely false accusation.
"This business of trying to accuse them has been ridiculous from the start.
"We just hope the police have not wasted too much time on trying to charge them, when they should have been searching for Madeleine."
Het feit dat de rechercheurs zelf de zaak nog niet hebben neergelegd doet daar natuurlijk niets aan af.quote:The couple, both 39, have launched a new £3,000 poster campaign across Spain, linking Madeleine's disappearance with those of two Spanish children.
Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said their lawyers were deciding on their next step, after Portugal's justice minister admitted the police investigation was coming to a halt.
Als de politie nog vragen heeft dan zouden ouders die echt naar hun kind op zoek gaan die zo snel mogelijk beantwoorden zodat de politie zich kan concentreren op de zoektocht ipv op andere losse eindjes in het onderzoek.quote:Police still hope to re-interview the couple's friends who dined with them on the night of May 3, and may ask for fresh interrogations of the McCanns, of Rothley, Leicestershire.
Vow to fight: Kate and Gerry McCann have pledged to continue searching for Madeleine
Mr Mitchell said: "If the case really is to be shelved then obviously we will ask that Gerry and Kate should have their arguido status lifted first.
"And we would also ask that our private detectives should have access to the police files so that they can continue working on the case, even if the police will not.
Natuurlijk, de politie moet alle informatie vrijgeven aan verdachten die geen antwoord wensen te geven op vragen die diezelfde politie nog heeft dat is imho de omgekeerde wereld.quote:"It would obviously help our detectives to have access to all the police information in the case.
"There could be some forgotten clue in there which could still solve this case.
"Surely it is only right and proper that information that the police aren't acting on should be given to people who can continue the investigation."
Voyeur, heb je nu al eens zo'n poster gezien? Als het goed is zou je er over moeten struikelen als het waar is wat ze hier zeggen.quote:Yesterday's new posters to raise awareness of the disappearance of Madeleine and two other children warned potential witnesses: "Don't You Forget".
It is hoped the posters will be displayed in banks, schools, churches, stations and other prominent places.
Two A3-size posters have been produced - one depicting Madeleine, alongside five-year-old Mari Luz Cortes, and one showing her with seven-year-old Yeremi Vargas.
Mari Luz went missing on January 13 this year in her home town of Huelva, 120 miles from Praia da Luz - where Madeleine went missing last May.
Yeremi Vargas disappeared from his home in Gran Canaria on March 10 last year.
Ze hopen dat men bereid is die posters op te hangen, als ze slim waren geweest hadden ze dat vantevoren gecheckt, Suko, heb jij ergens op een blog gehoord of gezien dat er iemand zo'n mail heeft gehad?quote:A letter in Spanish will accompany the posters, explaining their purpose and giving information on how to contact the authorities for those who believe they can help.
In all, some 17,400 packs have been produced, costing the Find Madeleine Fund £3,000.
An email version is also being sent out to thousands of recipients.
Nee, de politie heeft nog vragen, de minister suggereert van alles, ook onder invloed van....weet ik het wie/wat misschien?quote:It comes as Portuguese police said they are ready to halt the investigation into Madeleine disappearance without solving the case.
Justice minister Alberto Costa said officers are "approaching the conclusion of the process" - dropping the strongest hint yet that they might never discover what happened to the missing girl, who disappeared on May 3, days before her fourth birthday.
He told the Portuguese parliament it is still "too early" to say if they would ever know the truth about Madeleine's disappearance, claiming 80 per cent of missing children cases in Britain go unsolved.
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