Maddy, the plot thickens.

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Op woensdag 30 januari 2008 13:27 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Kijk, dit is dan weer wel positief, laat dit dan wel een gevalletje: "Als het kalf verdronken is dempt men de put." zijn.
Maar men is zich nu wel bewust van wat er eventueel kan gebeuren.
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Madeleine McCann's parents have not ruled out suing newspapers and websites that they believe have libelled them. Kate and Gerry McCann have stopped reading the "tittle-tattle" written about them in the press - but their representatives are keeping an eye on any "rubbish" printed in the press they believe to be defamatory.

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell told the Leicester Mercury that the McCanns, of Rothley, had more important things to worry about as they continue the search for the missing four-year-old. However, he said under libel laws they still had up to three years to bring potential cases before the civil courts.

Mr Mitchell spoke after Portuguese police questioned a builder fitting sketches of a potential suspect which were released by the family. The builder - the fourth man to be interviewed since the sketches were issued on January 20 - was eliminated as a suspect when it emerged he had an alibi for the night Madeleine disappeared.

Madeleine, who was three at the time, disappeared from a Portuguese holiday complex at Praia da Luz on May 3, last year. Some reports have said the Portuguese police were unhappy about the family issuing the sketches independently, suggesting they could be a diversion to take suspicion away from the family.

Today, Mr Mitchell said: "I'm afraid we dismiss this criticism out of hand. "There are one or two voices in Portugal who say things which get picked up by the press and magnified. Anyone who says we are doing diversionary tactics is wrong.

"We have made it very clear that publications in Britain and Portugal are subject to the laws of libel and defamation, like everyone else, and our lawyers are watching all of this."We reserve the right to take legal action and have three years in which to do it." Leicester Mercury

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Op dinsdag 11 september 2007 23:58 schreef Hephaistos. het volgende:
Voorspelling voor als ik in een later topic mn gelijk wil halen: De zaak dooft langzaam uit, tegen de ouders wordt geen verder bewijs gevonden en Madeleine blijft vermist.

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Op woensdag 30 januari 2008 13:19 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]

Al hoewel er Dna bewijs is en er grote gaten zitten in het verhaal van de McCanns is er nog geen zicht op enige vooruitgang in het verhaal.

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British police and child protection officers do not suspect Madeleine McCann's parents of involvement in her disappearance, the couple's spokesman has said. Clarence Mitchell said officials had assured him in private briefings that they were treating the case as one of "rare stranger abduction".

He was speaking as he launched an outspoken attack on the "appalling" standards of some media coverage of the disappearance of the Kate and Gerry McCann's daughter in Portugal in May. Mr Mitchell, who acted as the couple's spokesman shortly after Madeleine went missing and reprised this role four-and-a-half months ago, said he was completely convinced of their innocence.

He told a packed theatre: "I have never once seen or heard anything from either of them to give me any cause for suspicion in any shape or form. "I have also had briefings privately from the police and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) centre that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it."

But Mr Mitchell said he felt "shamed" as a former reporter by the "sloppiness" and "laziness" of certain journalists in covering the story.

Speaking at a debate on The McCanns and the Media at the London School of Economics, Mr Mitchell said: "What we have taken issue with, and our lawyers continue to review, is the aspect of coverage that is not only distorted but wilfully misrepresentative at times of the facts as we know them or the lack of facts. In that vacuum I'm afraid some very sloppy standards have crept in."

He singled out "the sloppiness and laziness of some of the journalists, and the lack of independence of thought and checking of facts"

Mr Mitchell said he understood putting a story about Madeleine's disappearance on the front page could add 70,000 sales to some newspapers, meaning there was "definitely a commercial imperative" to reporting on the case. He assured the audience they could be certain that "every single one" of the negative stories they read or heard about the McCanns was untrue." Thurrock Gazette

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Op woensdag 30 januari 2008 22:12 schreef Suko het volgende:


@ Troubles, je had ook gewoon tvp kunnen typen...

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Op woensdag 30 januari 2008 22:53 schreef Troubles. het volgende:

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Wanneer ik een tvp afdoende zou vinden wel ja.

Vind je het zelf nu werkelijk nog gezonde belangstelling?

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Op woensdag 30 januari 2008 23:16 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Zeker wel, en als je een beetje hebt meegelezen, wat je natuurlijk doet, zou je begrijpen waarom ik en anderen in dit topic en een deel van de aardkloot, het ongelofelijke en helaas unieke drama Madeleine blijven volgen...

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Reminder: Blood in the flat and in the car confirmed 7-1-2008 The McCann Infantile Memory < (filmpje)

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Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 15:03 schreef voyeur het volgende:


@Troubles, je hebt kennelijk geen clue waar dit om gaat en wat onze motieven zijn en dat terwijl die al een paar keer braaf uitgelegd zijn aan van die simpele zielen die even voorbijwippen om iets denigrerends te melden. Mij boeit het niet dat er weer een moslim ergens ter wereld iets lelijks gedaan heeft, maar dat is ook een langlopende serie op Fok

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Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 21:45 schreef Troubles. het volgende:
> knip<
Waarom begin je niet een eigen weblog?

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Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 20:48 schreef Troubles. het volgende:

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Die zogenaamde brave uitleg aan de 'simpele zielen' zou niet eens nodig hoeven zijn wanneer het hier concreet ergens over zou gaan i.p.v een restje complotdenken van wat zure ouwe wijven.
Je zegt zelf dat jou die andere langlopende serie niet boeit maar daar tegen ageer je wel?

The plot is thinning by the freaking minute.

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Op vrijdag 1 februari 2008 11:26 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)/02/01/nmaddy101.xml

Wat moeten wij met die wijsheid, natuurlijk vier je de verjaardag van je kinderen, een kaart van hun vermiste zusje vind ik op zijn minst smakeloos, het verhaal aan de pers vertellen ronduit triest, zelfs over de rug van de tweeling wordt er propaganda gemaakt.

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"It has been said on this forum that ‘we know nothing.’ I beg to differ.

We may not know the exact fate of Madeleine McCann, but the Policia Judiciaria compiled a dossier of evidence implicating the McCann’s in her disappearance which was submitted by the prosecutor to a judge. A root and branch review of the case by Paulo Rebelo has not changed the course of the investigation and Kate and Gerry are still the prime suspects. The PJ are not looking for a living child, but a corpse. Although many of the facts remain secret due to Portuguese legal procedure, there is plenty of circumstantial evidence which is in the public domain and most of it was revealed by the suspects themselves.

We know that these infants were left alone every night, a crime which the social services chose to overlook, despite the risk to the twins. In the immediate aftermath of their child’s disappearance, the parents did not join a search party, but went jogging/hairdressers/tennis, which is incomprehensible in the circumstances. Gerry had the presence of mind to write a daily blog on trivial matters. Alex Woolfall said initially they thought Madeleine had wandered off, but Kate and Gerry contradicted this by claiming they knew “straight away, she was taken” within a minuscule window of opportunity, by a predatory paedophile. “Cluck-whoosh!”

Kate admitted that after the twins were born Madeleine would “scream for attention” and she had a “sense of danger” but she was so “funny and engaging” that her mother believed she would give the creepy predator “her tuppence worth.” Kate washed all traces of her missing daughter from her favourite toy, Cuddle Cat. The child was heard crying “daddy” for hours by a neighbour. We know very little else about Madeleine, because her parents seldom mention her, preferring to discuss the antics of the twins.

We know Russell O’Brien was absent from the group for half an hour and according to waiters, Jane Tanner never left the Tapas Bar. Her description of the abductor she could not have seen has changed several times, resulting in innocent people being persecuted by the McCann’s henchman, a government spin doctor. The McCann’s compromised the local priest whom they later snubbed and the distressed Father Pacheco has since distanced himself from this ignoble couple.

They initiated a media circus and raised over a million pounds which has been squandered on a farce. Gerry was disappointed he could not use the fund to pay their legal fees. None of this money has been used to assist others with missing children. However, they paid their mortgage with these generous donations two months after Madeleine vanished. Two fund directors have resigned and been replaced by Jon Corner, Kate’s lifelong friend and Ed Smethurst. Brian Kennedy, is paying his fees and for Metodo 3’s fruitless search. They all have a ‘Common Purpose.’

Alleged sightings have not amounted to a hill of beans, but proposed book/film/TV deals amount to a substantial sum. Clarence Mitchell’s main role appears to be negotiating lucrative contracts to raise cash to find a child that the police are certain is dead. Two suspected child killers are now the hottest property on the chat-show circuit. Who says crime doesn’t pay?

Against police advice Gerry was willing to endanger his daughter’s safety by publicising her eye defect, because it was “a good marketing ploy.” Therefore, money making was always the priority over protecting his child. They enlisted instant support from Knights of the Empire and “called in favours.” Brown and Milliband have taken a personal interest in the case and the Home Secretary is impeding progress in the investigation by delaying crucial police interviews.

The most outlandish theories have been proposed by Team McCann and their agents. Madeleine is with drug dealers in the Rif Mountains, she was at a museum in Chile, she is a rich Saudi’s trophy, or she is with the Russian Mafia. When the focus returns to the Arguido’s, another absurd theory is suggested and confirmed by Brits who work in the health service or with close ties to the McCann’s. The suspects and witnesses held a clandestine meeting at a hotel room.

Gerry named his website after a book which deals with cold cases where the victim’s bodies remain undiscovered. This is already being described as a ‘cold case’ by the media, when the investigation is ongoing and far from complete. Statistically it is more likely Madeleine was killed by her parents than kidnapped, as Gerry confessed, this would be a hundred million to one chance, whereas the majority of untimely child deaths occur at the hands of a family member. We do not know what happened to Madeleine, but the Portuguese authorities are convinced she died at the Ocean Club and the cadaver dog’s reaction and DNA obtained from the scene are indicative of that.

There is nothing which is hidden that will not be revealed."

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New Web Site Launched
Date Released: 01/02/2008 13:00:00
The newly designed web site for the Help to Find Madeleine Campaign has been launched today.

The purpose of the new site is to focus attention on the primary goal which remains to Find Madeleine McCann.

The fund have been working hard to design the site to make it more user friendly and easier to keep up to date. It is hoped that the new site will allow people to find what they are looking for quickly. The new site still allows Gerry to update his blog, but it also has the additional facility to allow authorised persons to issue News Items without the need for the Web team to write the code for the pages.

Message from Gerry and Kate

Our daughter Madeleine was abducted on 3rd May 2007 in Praia da Luz, Portugal, 9 days before her 4th birthday. She was taken from our holiday apartment where she was sleeping with her younger brother and sister whilst we were dining 50 yards away. Despite a massive investigation led by the Portuguese police and supported by the British police, we still do not know who has taken her, why she was taken or where she is. In addition, private investigators based in Spain are now following up any leads regarding Madeleine’s disappearance. (Investigation page)

Since Madeleine’s abduction, we have learned a lot about missing children and child exploitation. The scale of the problem is massive and worldwide. Although finding Madeleine will always remain our priority, we feel it is our duty to highlight these problems as well as areas where legislation can be improved, in order to make the world a little safer for all children. To achieve these aims we are working closely with the International Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the Centre for Child Exploitation and Online Protection and other non-governmental agencies throughout Europe (Investigation page). The Find Madeleine Campaign launched a new YouTube channel for missing children in August 2007 called ‘Don’t You Forget About Me’ in conjunction with ICMEC and Google.

The support we have had from around the world has been amazing. We have no doubt that without all the good wishes, prayers and efforts of so many people, our ordeal would have been so much harder. It has helped maintain our strength and hope, and this together with support for the campaign, has helped the search for our precious Madeleine. We would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for their unconditional support and solidarity.

Madeleine is a beautiful little person. She was a very happy and much loved little girl. We believe there is a very good chance that Madeleine is still alive. She deserves the love and security of her family. She needs to be back home with her mummy and daddy, brother and sister. Please keep Madeleine in your thoughts and prayers. And please – remain vigilant. We will NEVER give up looking for Madeleine. Thank you again for your ongoing support and kindness.

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The official findmadeleine.com website has been set up primarily as a vehicle to collect donations from the public. It must be said that the content of the site, particularly in relation to Madeleine herself, is sparse and woefully weak. For example, in the 'About Madeleine' section, all it tells us about Madeleine is that she was 'born 4 years ago'.

It appears clear that the original website, bringmadeleinehome.com, was set up, through the efforts of Philomena McCann, with genuine intentions of raising awareness of Madeleine's disappearance and helping to maintain her profile with the public. The aim being clearly stated in the website title: To bring Madeleine home.

When the website was relaunched a week later using a different domain name, findmadeleine.com, the motivation of the website had dramatically changed. It was still about raising awareness but this was now subservient to the new driving goal of the site, which was to raise money through donations.

It would appear from this that the McCanns decided the emphasis, and their own efforts, would be better served in raising money through donations than concentrating on bringing Madeleine home.

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The decision by detectives to make Madeleine McCann's parents suspects in her disappearance was too hasty, Portugal's top policeman has said.

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Alipio Ribeiro, head of the Policia Judiciaria, said another assessment should perhaps have taken place first.

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In an interview with Portugal's Radio Renascenca being broadcast on Sunday, Mr Ribeiro, national director of the PJ - Portugal's equivalent to the CID - stressed he did not give his officers orders about who should be named an arguido. But he said there was a "certain hastiness" in making the McCanns suspects.

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The couple's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "Now the national director of the Policia Judiciaria apparently accepts they should not have been made arguido, it follows that there is no case for Kate and Gerry to answer.

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Speaking from Lisbon, the BBC's Alison Roberts said: "It is not clear whether Mr Ribeiro means tactically it was wrong to make them arguidos at that point or that they should not have been made arguidos at all." She stressed the full text of the interview has not been published yet, adding: "These comments are likely to stir up controversy, but would not carry legal weight. "Mr Ribeiro makes the point that he does not give orders to officers to declare arguido status and it would not be normal for him to step in and order them to remove it." And she emphasised that arguido status was intended as a means of protection, giving those involved in investigations more rights than witnesses - for example over access to lawyers. Mr Ribeiro has previously expressed caution about the case.

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"On September 10 - just three days after Mr and Mrs McCann were named suspects - he suggested that forensic tests had not been conclusive. The head of the PJ told Portuguese state broadcaster RTP then: "We can't say with certainty whether it was the blood of person 'A' or person 'B'. "They help guide us in our investigation but not with the mathematical precision some people are saying."

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Director da PJ
Alípio Ribeiro fala em precipitação no caso Maddie

O director da Polícia Judiciária (PJ), Alípio Ribeiro, considera que a constituição de Kate e Gerry McCann como arguidos no desaparecimento da sua filha foi precipitada. Em entrevista ao programa ‘Diga Lá Excelência’, na Rádio renascença, o responsável da PJ falou no desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann, considerando uma “precipitação” a constituição dos pais como arguidos no caso.

Alípio Ribeiro desmentiu ainda as acusações do bastonário da Ordem dos Advogados, Marinho Pinto, assegurando que o Ministério da Justiça nunca lhe deu instruções relativas à investigação de algum processo criminal. O responsável concordou que a PJ dependa organicamente do Governo, mas recusou interferências políticas na orientação que é dada às investigações.

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If you were to read the covergae in the Mail or the Telegraph, you might be under the impression that Alipio Ribeiro had admitted that the McCanns becoming arguidos was a mistake: and that further you might leap to the impression that if that was a mistake, then logically they must be inncoent.

Yet if you look at the blog SOS Madeliene (english translation) you will note that when placed in context his remarks take on an entirely different tone. Because all Ribeiro is talking about is that in a tactical sense it would probably have been better not to make them arguidos (or accept their decision to become arguidos - which I prefer, seeing as this is the unspun version of events given by their solicitor at the time) because from that moment onwards the Portugese police found themselves locked in a struggle akin to David v Goliath.

Which would appear to further suggest the implict role played by the British government in stalling the investigation.

But this being Britain, and the media being obliged to print Clarence Mitchell's press releases word for word, without placing his spin in context (because in the interests of free speech it is an offence punishable by a lawyers letter to read foreign websites, publications or speak to foreigners about matters relating to the case - or it would be if Clarence and his government friends got their way) - and both 'news'papers dutifully choose to focus on Ribeiro's use of the word hasty - and from there on in it is pure Mitchell magic.

The BBC radio news has just reported on Ribeiro's comments, and it was nice to see that they hav not given into the xenophobic campaign being waged by Mr Mitchell by..... uhhhhhh..... reporting what he wants them to report.

Ok, it was to be expected, because it has long been recognised that objectivity, the McCanns and the British media are mutually exclusive.

But I am left wondering if this is all part of the political fudge that the British governemnt have been mixing for sometime.

The McCanns have had four months to get their story straight - remember that under Portugese law a witness has to answer all questions - therefore the deal may well be that if the Portugese police the arguido status - thereby allowing for the lawyers to go after websites and forums who have made comments and accusations that they are guilty - the British government will allow them to be questioned.

This would also allow them to travel to America to cash in on the interview with Oprah - which in turn would allow them to employ Metodo3 and Gail Cooper for longer.

Of course all of this will denied. peace:)

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Op woensdag 30 januari 2008 13:27 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Kijk, dit is dan weer wel positief, laat dit dan wel een gevalletje: "Als het kalf verdronken is dempt men de put." zijn.
Maar men is zich nu wel bewust van wat er eventueel kan gebeuren.
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Op woensdag 30 januari 2008 22:12 schreef Suko het volgende:
Zo het eerste verslag is gepubliceerd, "kuch" Clarence Mitchel vanavond tijdens The McCanns and the Media:
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He told a packed theatre: "I have never once seen or heard anything from either of them to give me any cause for suspicion in any shape or form. "I have also had briefings privately from the police and the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) centre that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities, in this country certainly, are treating this as a case of rare stranger abduction, as they call it." But Mr Mitchell said he felt "shamed" as a former reporter by the "sloppiness" and "laziness" of certain journalists in covering the story."

En hoe dus spin werkt en de kranten gewoon niet opletten: "What Clarence Mitchell actually said about the support of the UK police and CEOP in the LSE Meeting - that prompted newspaper headlines to declare that the McCanns were now 'not suspects' in the UK:

'I've also had briefings privately from the police and CEOP, Child Exploitation Online Potection Centre', before I went out the first time, that also gave me complete reassurance that the authorities in this country, certainly, are treaing this as a case of rare stranger abduction - as they call it'.

- Notice these private briefings happened 'before I went out the first time' - Clarence is talking about briefings that happened in May 2007 when most people knew very little of what had actually happened. Listen to Mitchell's quote here

This is yet another example of the 'sloppiness and laziness' of the UK press.

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Op zondag 3 februari 2008 14:05 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Het feit dat er nu meer aandacht aan de omstandigheden omtrent kinderopvang in vakantieparken wordt besteed bijvoorbeeld, en dat mensen die denken dat het wel veilig is om je kinderen alleen in een app achter te laten met hun neus op de feiten is gedrukt, ook al vermoed ik dat de ouders er in dit geval meer van weten denk ik toch dat men er nu beter over nadenkt.

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Op zondag 3 februari 2008 14:29 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Ik lees dat als: die mensen lieten de kinderen eerst zonder toezicht alleen en nu gebruiken ze een babysit of luisterservice, dat vind ik positief, als je het bekijkt zoals jij doet dan is het idd een beetje eng.

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Op zondag 3 februari 2008 20:25 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Portugees kan ik niet lezen, maar dit is een officiele vertaling van het Spaanse reuters bericht:

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Strekking: ja, achteraf gezien met de kennis die we nu hebben hadden we ze later tot verdachten moeten bestempelen. We waren misschien wat haastig.

Hij reageert niet op de McCann's en is gewoon bespiegelend. Misschien had hij ze liever langer als getuige willlen verhoren zonder de rechtsbecherming van arguidos.

De laatste zin stelt dat de ouders zeggen dat ze veilig in het appartement was, terwijl ze zelf met vrienden in een nabijgelegen restaurant verbleven. Dat is de verwondering die in elk Portugees en Spaans artikel geuit wordt.

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"Note: Alipio Ribeiro does say that the decision to make the McCanns arguidos was hasty, however he is not pressed as to the reason why he believes that. The UK press, with some help from Clarence Mitchell, have interpreted his words to mean that the McCanns should not have been made arguidos and are therefore innocent of all charges. But is that the correct interpetation of Ribeiro's words?

Mr Ribeiro says, in this brief interview, that 'We have devoted all our know-how to this case, we have involved our best men in the investigation, and there is a multidisciplinary team of officers still working on it, but the whole process is a work of patience.'

Those do not sound like the words of someone who feels his officers are wasting their time and have made a bad decision to make the McCanns arguidos. Indeed, he also makes it clear that there has been no criticism from the UK police over the Portuguese handling of the case. Again, it's difficult to imagine such support for a 'wrong' decision.

It may well be that Ribeiro simply meant that the decision to make the McCanns arguidos was hastily done to beat the change in the law around arguido status, which happened after 15 September and imposed certain new legal restrictions.

He does not say that the decision itself, in terms of the McCanns being made suspects, was wrong - only that the actual decision to make them arguidos was done with hastiness. He gives no indication that the course of the investigation is about to change or that the McCanns can be expected to have their arguido status lifted."

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Op zondag 3 februari 2008 14:05 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Het feit dat er nu meer aandacht aan de omstandigheden omtrent kinderopvang in vakantieparken wordt besteed bijvoorbeeld, en dat mensen die denken dat het wel veilig is om je kinderen alleen in een app achter te laten met hun neus op de feiten is gedrukt, ook al vermoed ik dat de ouders er in dit geval meer van weten denk ik toch dat men er nu beter over nadenkt.

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Een kopje koffie drinken met je baby op schoot. Of de theepot die op tafel staat. Een badkraan die niet beveiligd is. Zomaar een paar voorbeelden uit het dagelijks leven, waar je als ouders het risico van onderschat. Jij misschien niet, denk je, maar toch worden er jaarlijks 1.300 kinderen jonger dan vijf jaar op een Spoedeisende Hulpafdeling behandeld als gevolg van een verbranding door bijvoorbeeld hete thee, koffie of water uit de kraan.

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Op zondag 3 februari 2008 22:48 schreef Drijfzand het volgende:

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Omdat zoveel kinderen in kinderopvang verdwijnen of misbruikt worden; of uit hun appartement geroofd worden?
Kom maar op met die cijfers, dan zal ik cijfers geven over ongevallen in de eigen woning, kinderen die sterven in het verkeer, verkrachting of moord door familieleden, etc etc..

Wist je dat er in Nederland vorig jaar 17 kinderen stierven bij ongevallen op een boerenerf?

Of wat denk je van:
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Zeldzaamheden zijn nieuws, dagelijkse gebeurtenissen zijn statistieken...

Misschien even een enquete, hoeveel mensen hier met kinderen hebben enkel beveiligde warmwaterkranen?

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 00:28 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Ik denk dat alle posters hier zich bewust zijn van het gegeven dat statistisch verwaarlozing / onoplettendheid door ouders de belangrijkste doodsoorzaak is ihg van jonge kinderen. Vandaar de verontwaardiging over de 'predator' theorie die de McCann's verspreiden.
Dat keukentrapjes meer doden eisen dan pistolen is een gegeven, maar als je dat vertaalt naar deze zaak leidt dat tot aanwijzingen dat de McCann's mogelijk niet heilig zijn....

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Op maandag 4 februari 2008 00:28 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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@Sicko (kooswoordje hoor). Vond het ook wel een leuke avatar. Heb acht jaar dezelfde gehanteerd, maar in het licht van deze zaak, maar ook de beschuldigingen vanmensen als de Hondt en Peter R. de Vries aan zomaar mensen leek het me wel een passende avator voor een tijdje.

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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Toch triest, wel tearjerk verhalen over de ouders maar die kinderen niet op die site,

Je krijgt gelijk over dat niets vinden helaas.

_{Beterschap sicky!}
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Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 15:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende: >knip<
Ik ben nu wel benieuwd hoe dat belastingtechnisch zal gaan, wordt alles wat er gestort is bij het inkomen van Gerry en Kate opgeteld? Dan mogen ze wel geld reserveren voor de belastingaanslag.

_{(hoestfase, zit het al los of ben je nog lekker aan het blaffen? Iig sterkte en beterschap.)}

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Alípio Ribeiro "drops" Maddie's case

By admitting that there was "haste" in constituting the parents of Madeleine McCann as arguidos for the disappearance of their daughter nine months ago in Praia da Luz, near Lagos, the Director of the National Judicial Police (PJ), Alípio Ribeiro, will be preparing the public opinion to the possibility that an accusation will not be made due to the lack of conclusive evidence. The idea is that the positions assumed by the director of PJ in public statements mean that he "has dropped" the case, have admitted to the DN sources that have accompanied the research of Maddie's case from the beginning.

With renown lawyers, both in England and in Portugal, which already exploited the declarations of Alípio Ribeiro, and a professional support, the McCanns may even be relieved of the status of arguidos within months, they are subjected to the minimum measure of coercion established in the Code of Criminal Procedure, the term of identity and residence, for which they indicated their residence in the English city of Rothley. After Alípio Ribeiro has said in an interview to Radio Renascença and Público newspaper that there has been precipitation in the constitution of the couple as arguidos, one of the couple's lawyers Rogerio Alves has said that the defense would ask that Kate and Gerry McCann stopped being arguidos in the process, which has as first arguido the Portuguese-British Robert Murat.

Possible filling

The consequent filling of the process could be the way forward, in a much more pessimistic perspective of sources connected to the issue that were contacted by the DN, although the PJ at Algarve continues committed to unveil the mystery, keeping as a stronger line of research the thesis of accidental death of the English child in the apartment 5A of the "Ocean Club" in Praia da Luz. That's why the words of Alípio Ribeiro have caused discomfort within the judicial police.

If the process is filed, for many will remain the belief that there was "one hundred percent political pressure" by the British. As the DN already said, a sense of "rebellion" continues installed between researchers face the recent statements made by Alípio Ribeiro, although the national director of the PJ has tried to appease them with an apology, trying to make believe that he was misunderstood when he spoke the word "precipitation" concerning the constitution of the couple as arguidos.

"I do not know if there will be arrests"

However, this was not the only reference to the case made by Alípio Ribeiro. In an interview published in the weekly newspaper Expresso on the 17/11/2007, after considering that "we work now better than at the beginning of the investigation," with "more restraint and calm," the national director of Judicial Police had left a warning: " I do not know if there will be arrests in Maddie's case. "

A position contradicted by investigators, to whom there are evidence that could lead to the arrest of Kate McCann for suspicion of involvement in the death and concealment of the body of her daughter, body who could have been buried or thrown at the sea in a bag.

Although Alípio Ribeiro has made these successive public statements - first, that arrests would not be made in Maddie's case and then that there was precipitation in the constitution of the McCanns as arguidos - the PJ never believed in the version of abduction transmitted by parents and these were constituted arguidos in September after the British sniffer dogs flagged several locations where the corpse of Madeleine McCann passed through from the apartment where she was spending holidays with her parents and twin brothers to the Church of Nossa Senhora da Luz, towards the beach. Bron+reacties

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 10:42 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hey Suko, hoe is het nu? Weer wat beter?

Er wordt al weer iets genuanceerd hoor, Brits gespin imho.
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Er zal wel weer iets verkeerd zijn gegaan in de vertaling of interpretatie, Ribiero had een poosje niet met zijn neus in de krant gestaan dus moest hij even iets kwijt zeker.

_{(Ik had gisteren mijn neefje weer op bezoek, even geen tijd gehad voor uitgebreid posten, jongetjes van 2 zijn een beetje bewerkelijk. )}

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 13:00 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Tja Suko, ik denk dat iedereen het gedoe wel zat is, nietemin zou ik het heel erg vinden als deze zaak een stoffig archiefstuk wordt, net als zoveel vermiste kinderzaken, de marketingmachine heeft zo veel overuren gedraait idd dat velen het wel best vinden, het zou me niets verbazen als dat een tactiek is geweest.
Ik zou niet willen dat het Maddy fund niet ingezet zou worden voor andere kinderen die ook vermist zijn en wiens ouders het niet kunnen betalen om een onderzoek in te stellen, zoals het nu lijkt blijft al dat geld in handen van de McCanns, het is dan ook heel slim opgezet allemaal.

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The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell hit out, saying that unofficial sites such as these distract from the search for Madeleine. He said: "This man did not seek our permission. We have not cooperated in any shape or form. Most of this is ill-informed comment at best. While some of it might be accurate, this sort of site runs the risk of repeating mistakes." He added: "He's now seeking money to maintain the site. We'd rather people's efforts and money went to helping to find Madeleine." The Sun

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"Letters to British authorities have been sent - 24 horas The letters rogatory for the purpose of re-questioning the McCanns and their seven friends who dined with them at a restaurant in the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Algarve, have now been forwarded for the second time to the British Home Office, the equivalent of our Ministry for the Interior. This comes after, as 24horas reported last week, the first letters were returned for merely bureaucratic reasons. The British authorities were of the opinion that the request should be formalised directly by the Public Prosector’s Office and not via Eurojust. An official Prosecutor’s Office communiqué which stated that it was trying to iron out a problem with which it had nothing to do led to a climate of tension between Eurojust and Prosecutor Office officials, but it has now been resolved. Now, Prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes, who is in charge of the process, is waiting for green light from Britain to send a PJ team there." Bron < Don't push the button...

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Op donderdag 7 februari 2008 20:46 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Het zou op zich een opmerkelijke wending zijn als ook de McCann's weer ondervraagd zouden worden. Tot nu toe had ik begrepen dat alleen de Tapas7 gehoord zouden worden en dat op basis van hun antwoorden besloten zou kunnen worden om de twee arguidos te verzoeken naar Portugal te komen.

Dat lijkt ook logischer. De tapas7 kun je niet naar Portugal roepen, dus dat moet je met die vooraf vastgestelde vragen doen. Erg lastig omdat je dus niet kan improviseren tijdens het verhoor op basis van informatie van de andere verhoren. Voor de McCann's geldt dat je absolute vrijheid wil en niet een lijstje vooraf bepaalde vragen. Dat kan alleen door ze naar Portugal te halen.

Kortom het zou me verwonderen als Kate en Gerry nu gehoord gaan worden.

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Warning: This is a totally one-sided and biased view of the McCann saga – just like the newspapers give.

"Last May, when I noticed a headline “Toddler snatched in Portugal” (or abducted – I don't remember which) together with a photo of those two now familiar faces – Gerry and Kate McCann, my immediate thought was: 'In Portugal! What's that to do with us here in the UK? are we now going to have to suffer the agonies of parents all over the world whose children go missing?' Nine months down the line I realise that the 'abduction' of Madeleine McCann by a person, or a gang, variously described as 'paedophile', 'creepy man', 'man with no face', 'loner'; 'outsider'; predator; Moroccan gypsies'...and a number of other insulting epithets, has a great deal to do with us as a nation, or, more accurately, a great deal to do with the ways and means by which the population of our once great country is being manipulated and controlled. The ceaseless and hypocritical focusing of attention on children, making them icons and untouchable is a ploy that has been used by the government and media for a long time in order to create division and repression as children have been given power without responsibility and adults responsibility without power. 'Celebrity' and, of course, the old standby, sex are other diversionary tactics.

This unhealthy concentration diverts attention from the things that are happening, or not happening, in the country, and really matter to the majority of us: the fact that our city streets are unsafe, admitted even by our own Home Secretary; the fact that Northern Rock is being bailed out by the public to the tune of billions of pounds and then handed over to someone filthy rich, like Richard Branson (yes, the same Richard Branson who has committed £100,000 to the McCanns in the event of a trial); the fact that Gordon Brown promised a referendum on the EU ...where is it?; the possibility (far-fetched, but maybe not) that when he went to China recently he gave them a lease on the UK for several trillion Yen – or just enough to last him until the next election in 2010....But, no worries. Just stick a picture of a female, as deshabillé as possible - Posh Spice, pregnant Angelina Jolie, pregnant (or crazy) Britney Spears, drugged and maybe pregnant Amy Winehouse – or the photogenic, and to some - sexy - Kate McCann (and that child she lost...oh, yes, Madeleine)... on the front page of the newspapers, and Brown and his drones can quietly go about their business.

So for months now we've had to read endless, usually dredged up, stories about the McCanns' 'search' for their 'abducted' daughter everywhere (everywhere except where she went missing) and about their “agony”, “heartbreak”, “anguish”, “despair”, “grief”, and their spokesperson Clarence Mitchell's accusations of 'ludicrous smears' and, of course and most importantly, reported “rage” from the McCann camp (when things weren't quite going to plan).

But there is more to this tale. It is a success story, a mystery and a red warning light. The McCann circus got off to a good start. The loss of their little girl either to a paedophile abductor, or because of an accident or murder, or even because she had been hidden, to appear again at the 'right' moment, was turned into a corporate venture in no time: a Fund collecting money from the public, with carefully worded small print allowing the McCanns to use the money for their own purposes (two mortgage repayments so far to our knowledge), the web-site selling tat – T-shirts, wristbands, posters with the copyrighted 'Madeleine' and eye coloboma logos. And this is only the beginning. If the couple's 'arguido/a' status is lifted what glittering prizes are a little way down the line? The USA, Oprah Winfrey, books, tv shows, possibly government funded children's ambassadorial job for Kate, political opportunity in the Labour Party for Gerry...a film, already under discussion - a remake of “Gone with the Wind” would be appropriate with Kate as Scarlett – and Madeleine? Well, she's the one who's gone with the wind – as Kate said on a recent tv programme “Whoosh, clunk, and she was gone!

Now, to the 'mystery' which is this: Why did the British government under Blair send out paid personnel to help Mr and Mrs McCann? One, the couple's spokesperson Clarence Mitchell, former Head of the government's Media Monitoring Unit, is still helping to obstruct the course of justice by spin and obfuscation. He is now being paid £70,000 a year for his efforts by double glazing multi-millionaire Brian Kennedy. Why did Gordon Brown, who had ample opportunity to rescind Blair's thoughtfulness towards the McCanns, not do so? On the contrary, he put himself out considerably to help the McCanns with long phone calls, arranging meetings for them with our Home Secretary Jacqui Smith (the one who is scared to go out on the streets at night) and with David Miliband the Foreign Secretary. It was only after the couple were made suspects by the Portuguese police that Mr. Brown drew back a little and refused them the high level meeting they wanted when they fled from Portugal back to the UK in September.

Nonetheless Brown is generally thought to have leaned quite hard on the Portuguese Prime Minister Mr. Socrates at the time of the Lisbon Summit last November – to perhaps go easy on the couple...to obfuscate a little, give the Brits time to...well, time to what? After this visit to Portugal by Mr. Brown in November, the British press were even more vociferous in their support of the pair calling the Portuguese police variously “Keystone cops”, “Blundering”; “Sardine Munchers” and a lot of other choice names. This despite the compelling forensic evidence gathered by the Portuguese and British police and important phone interceptions, which they claimed, on 4th August last year, had given them the evidence that Madeleine was dead.

Why has our government gone out on a limb to help the McCanns? It is unprecedented. Why have UK newspapers not only vociferously supported the McCanns but also viciously attacked the Portuguese police and our oldest ally Portugal itself?

I can only think of one reason for each of these questions. I think the government has a vested interest in helping the McCanns to hide the truth and the newspapers have a vested interest in keeping this story running at whatever cost to the integrity of journalism and to our nation as a whole. To take the newspapers first. They no longer reflect opinion, they lead it. Remember the 'News of the World' in 2000 and its editor Rebekah Wade, when a mob of people in Portsmouth were whipped up, after the child Sarah Payne's murder? Ms.Wade had published photos and names of known sex offenders in the area. As a result two men facing sex offence charges committed suicide and the mob eventually stoned a pediatrician's home, knowing no better. In a country with an increasing number of people who don't or can't think for themselves or evaluate things and situations, it is easy to inflame and indeed, suppress opinion; to create action and more often, inaction. The media is now a weapon, and it is being used to control us. Newspapers are not now there to report news, they are there to make it. And this is the reason why the pro-McCann saga goes on and on. It suits the newspaper editors, it suits the government. And they're in this together.

Now why the government has stuck its neck out for this pair of nonentities is quite hard to determine. Is it perhaps because Gerry McCann is a Scotsman? Scotland has been flavour of the month for years now but more so now that Brown is in charge. Is it because Mr. McCann is on COMARE, an organisation which assesses the links between nuclear power and childhood cancer and Gordon Brown's brother is with EDF, the company charged with progressing the nuclear industry in Britain? Or is it because the couple are perceived to be middle-class? Yet here is the dichotomy: to be 'middle class' in the UK now is like declaring yourself a leper. The middle classes are reviled, denied, abused - leaving the country in droves for more welcoming climes; almost non-existent, so why should being middle-class help their case and bring them such comfort and support from government? After all, we're living in the age of the child, and they harmed a child, while on holiday in Portugal, by leaving her alone with her two siblings every night in a dark miserable apartment, in order that they could drink and dine with their friends. Most people would regard this, at least, as a punishable offence but the McCanns haven't been censured and they haven't been reviled by the media for their gross neglect or had their other two children removed as would surely have happened if they had been a 'normal' working-class couple.

So, assuming they are not being helped and protected because Gerry is Scottish or Kate is from Liverpool (which is well-known for producing very sensitive people), or that they are 'middle class' one wonders what is the reason? Perhaps a clue was given by a relative of the McCanns: “We've pulled in a few favours” he said. What favours, I wonder. And favours given to who by whom? Is the reason the government appears to be so keen to protect the McCanns and stall on the investigation because the McCanns may have some knowledge which might be damaging to someone in the upper echelons of power? We can only speculate what this might be in connection with their missing, presumed dead, little girl.

Isn't it also a little strange that Gerry McCann's first call after the disappearance of the child was not to the police but to his best mate from Glasgow University Alistair Clark (now Professor of Political Science & Research at Queens University, Belfast and Assessor of English Working Government). Mr. McCann's delayed reaction allowed the village of Praia de Luz and their friends to trample all over the apartment thus conveniently destroying the forensic evidence. After receiving McCann's call Clark then phoned the British Ambassador John Buck, and Sky News. Kirsty Wark of the BBC became involved then Jill Renwick (another media type) who knew John Brown (Gordon's brother) and finally the great man himself.

So, to the warning red light I mentioned. I see the McCann case as a catalyst. The British newspapers over the last nine months, especially, of course, the gutter press have sunk lower with their biased and abusive reporting of this saga than one could ever have imagined. Yes, we on the outside have been able to pick up a few bits and pieces of information but, speaking personally, most of what I have gleaned has been from erudite and informed people on this forum, for instance, or from translations from foreign newspapers or from my own gut instinct, observation and reading between the lines. As for the government – they already had a reputation for mendaciousness and cover-up, for statism and control, and for clearly demonstrated utter ineptness. Since Brown's ascendency, in my opinion, things have got worse. So the conclusion one comes to is that we, the public, are regarded as being like the proverbial mushrooms – 'keep them in the dark and feed them xxxx!' In this the government is ably assisted by the media. We must heed the red light, and resist it all." Judith C

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THE SUNDAY TIMES : “Madeleine McCann and Metodo 3: Private eyes, public lies”

“Paid £50,000 a month to find Madeleine McCann, the Spanish detective Francisco Marco said he hoped to have her home for Christmas. He issued this photofit of a suspect last month; it set off a media frenzy, but Portuguese police say it has ‘no credibility’. Christine Toomey turns the tables on a private eye who is anything but…

An interview with Francisco Marco. His company is being paid £50,000 a month by the McCann’s fighting fund

“We won’t answer any questions about Maddie. Maddie is off limits – is that understood?” Marco’s cousin Jose Luis, another of the agency’s employees, warns me sternly.”

But they are not the police. What can they not talk about the big case? It was Mr Franciso who told he’d find Madeleine by Christmas – last Christmas.

“I cannot ask him to clarify what he did say, or whether talking about an ongoing investigation is potentially detrimental. Instead, I am left to discuss the matter with a handful of other private detective agencies in Barcelona, the private-eye capital of Spain. What they tell me is disturbing”

Marco walks in. Does he bring his Maddy dolly? And:

“Marco slaps on the table a 144-page pre-prepared dossier of articles written in the Spanish press about himself and M-3. He goes on to list some of those in the city he says I have already been speaking to about his company. Had my movements been monitored? If so, why would a private detective agency be interested in this at a time when they were supposed to be tirelessly searching for the most famous missing child in the world?”

Fame.

“In most of the many pictures of himself included in the material he hands me” Metodo 3 is the most famous private detective agency in Europe.

“He seems eager to please. He summons a female assistant on several occasions to bring me material, including a book he has recently written, to illustrate what he is talking about. Even when I make it clear this is not necessary – aware that these distractions eat into the time we have to talk – he insists, partly showing off”

Then:

“When I ask about his background, Marco summons her [secretary] to photocopy the first pages of his doctoral thesis on private investigation: he has a master’s degree and a PhD in penal law”

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Kate and Gerry McCann's private detectives are charging the Find Madeleine fund £50,000 a month in expenses alone, it has been revealed. The Spanish agency Metodo 3 has racked up huge bills since it was appointed to the case in September and is charging them to the publicly funded appeal. The costs are in addition to their £8,000 monthly fee, which is paid by one of the couple's millionaire supporters.

Metodo 3's expenses are the biggest single cost to the rapidly dwindling fund, which raised £1.2million in public donations but is expected to run dry within months. It was previously thought that the detective agency was hired for a flat, monthly fee of £50,000 for their services.

But the Mail can reveal today that it accepted a deal of £8,000-a-month, plus unlimited expenses to take on the high profile case, which has boosted its international reputation. If its 'operational costs' top £50,000 then the excess is met by the McCanns' wealthy backers, who include double glazing tycoon Brian Kennedy and Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson. Mr Kennedy is due to review Metodo 3's six-month contract before it expires next month, amid criticism that the agency has failed to find any solid evidence about what happened to Madeleine.

Its director, Francisco Marco, has also angered Mr and Mrs McCann with his public boasts that he was 'very close' to finding their daughter, and even that he hoped to return her to her family by Christmas. The couple's spokesman Clarence Mitchell insisted the agency were 'doing valuable work on the ground'. He confirmed the financial arrangements behind the six-month contract but insisted the £50,000-a-month from the fund was only used to cover 'legitimate operational costs'.

Mr Mitchell said: "The monthly fee for their services is about £8,000. The £50,000 is for legitimate operational costs - having people scattered around different countries, hiring vehicles, hiring property to stay in and hotel bills. A private operation like this does cost money in terms of seeking information. It is something that needs that sustained level of funding to work. Private investigations are not cheap. The fund contributes £50,000 a month of publicly donated money because it's money to help find her. We feel that's proper use of that money."

Metodo 3 has claimed to have up to 40 agents working on the case in up to six different countries, including Morocco, Portugal and Britain. It has been criticised for lavish spending, including moving its offices into one of the most prestigious streets in Barcelona in December.

But Mr Mitchell said the majority of the spending allowance went on travel, transport and accommodation for the teams of detectives. He said: "People think it's £50,000 going straight into Francisco Marco's pocket, and that it's paying for them to move into plush new offices. Nothing could be further from the truth. They have taken this case on because it gives them a certain profile and prestige, not because it's going to make them rich. That money is used purely for legitimate operational costs and the fund is invoiced in full, as they would be for any expenses claim, which is effectively what it is. Their expenses are paid by the fund."

Metodo 3's involvement in the Madeleine case has proved controversial. Five senior members of the firm, including Mr Marco, were arrested over a phone-tapping scandal in 1995 and accused of spying. The case was later dropped over claims of police entrapment, but they were also threatened with arrest in Portugal.

Under Portuguese law it is illegal for a private investigation to be carried out on a case that is being pursued by the police, and the agency was warned not to speak to police witnesses. But Jennifer Murat, the mother of the first named suspect Robert Murat, has accused its detectives of bribing witnesses to change their accounts and has said she fears they are working to frame her expat son.

Mr Mitchell's comments that Metodo 3 has spent money 'seeking information' will fuel speculation that the agency has paid individuals for evidence.

Meanwhile, the McCanns, both 39, were said to be 'encouraged' by reports that their status as official suspects in the case will be reviewed after their friends have been re-interviewed. Portugal's Attorney General Fernando Pinto Monteiro told the newspaper Expresso: "The couple's legal status will be considered at the appropriate moment, depending on various elements still to be obtained."

The newspaper reported that the McCanns would only remain as suspects if the new interrogations of their friends, the so-called Tapas Seven, revealed 'screaming contradictions'.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 10:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemorgen y'all!
Inderdaad, ik ben bang dat het een spelletje wie het langst kan staren zonder te knipperen is geworden, niemand wil toegeven of wegkijken, er zijn zo veel hoge heren bij gehaald dat die echt niet meer gaan terughalen, dat zou immers betekenen dat ze moeten toegeven dat ze fout zaten.
Het gaat echt niet meer om dat kleine meisje, het gaat om gezichtsverlies van mensen die zich dat eigenlijk niet kunnen veroorloven, dat krijg je als je je mee laat zuigen in de verhalen van Gerry McCann.

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BIZARRE NEW E-FITS OF MADDY SUSPECT "These creepy pictures of a suspect sought over missing Madeleine McCann were released yesterday.

Criminal psychologists believe previous images of a long-haired bearded man spotted on the night of the disappearance did not properly reflect descriptions given by witnesses. Now they have created these computer efits by merging the earlier sketches commissioned by Kate and Gerry McCann.

Portuguese academics Paulo Sargento and Pedro Gamito composed the pictures using a specially-designed computer programme. The duo have previously created a 3D model of the night Madeleine disappeared to suggest her abductor would only have had an eight-minute window in which to strike. McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "Although we're grateful for assistance, we hope this image will not cause confusion to the public. The image is not to be confused with the one we released, which is as accurate a likeness as possible."

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Faces analysis techniques point to failures in the McCanns description "The kidnapping thesis is ludicrous"

A 3 dimensional video, made by the team Paulo Sargento and Pedro Gamito ridicules the photo-fits

The work was made during a week by the forensic psychologist Paulo Sargento in partnership with the technological engineer Pedro Gamito.The team juxtaposed the three photo-fits that existed from the presumable kidnapper and work them in 20 programs of faces analysis. And dismounted the kidnapping thesis, "The kidnapping thesis is ludicrous" defends Paulo Sargento.

The video begins with the first image of the kidnapper (the faceless man) walking with the kid in his arms. In the subtitles, in English, the researcher questions: "How can the first description of the kidnapper be so vague? 1,70 meters high, dark skin, Mediterranean hair. Six months after the first description a second image: "Is it possible not to see the face of someone that carries a child and notice the beige trousers the brown jacket and the classic shoes?"

The video shows "the intuition form of looking to someone that carries a child".You look from the waist to the head and not from the waist to the feet. Eight months after, the last photo fit the face of the man with beard and long hair. "We show that this photo-fit is inconsistent with the first one. Curiously it keeps the brown jacket and the dark hair, the only common characteristics", referred to 24 Horas Paulo Sargento.

"Neanderthal style"

The "superciliary arcades" (the frontal cranium behind the eyebrows) are the style of the Neanderthal man and point to an archetype of the criminal" the forensic psychologist comments. "This means that is a hybrid photo fit made to give an appearance from the region of the Maghreb. But why must the kidnapper be from Morocco, Spain or Portugal and cannot be Anglo-Saxon? It would even make more sense to be someone who knew the family routine", he concluded. If the PJ wants to use the video it is available on the Internet.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 13:20 schreef voyeur het volgende:
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Goed dat het kind weggeblurd is. Voor je het weet grijpt een predator hem, maar moeten die ouders niet zo'n balkje over hun ogen? Het zijn toch verdachten?

Overigens zie ik vaak dat soort foto's. Kan iemand die ouders eens uitleggen dat je daar 'zondag armpjes' van krijgt.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:02 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ik geloof dat ze in de UK niet met balkjes werken. Overigens zie ik nog genoeg ongeblurde foto's van die kids. En wat die 'zondags armpjes' betreft (nooit van gehoord eigenlijk), het zijn dokters, die weten toch wel wat ze wel en niet moeten doen....wat je overal leest: “You know, we are very responsible carrying parents and we love our children so much and I think it is only a very few people that are actually criticising us.” Neuh, dat zit wel goed, toch?!

@ Kahaarin, well said.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 14:06 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
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@Suko, als wij het al snappen waarom doen ze dan zo moeilijk?

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 20:19 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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De zwarte balkjes waren ironisch bedoeld Suko. Het leek me zo'n leuk plaatje op te leveren met twee geblurde kinderen en twee ouders met zo'n balk

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2008 22:01 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Tja, de halve wereld snapt 't uitstekend, voornamelijk op fora en blogs, via de pers wordt je niks wijzer. Waarom ze dan zo moeilijk doen...Pedofielenjacht? > Geld? > Roem? > of toch een coverup van een moord/ongeluk dat waarschijnlijk nooit wordt opgelost wegens tegenwerking (lees bescherming) van de UK? Ik hoop dan maar op een oneindige Arguido-status, dat is dus mogelijk, op z'n minst worden ze zo klem gezet om verder geldinzamelingen/interviews te voorkomen. May they rot in hell, uh... Rothley...
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Ja wel, dat begreep ik ook wel hoor, zo dus...heb ook wel weer wat.

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Reminder: The McCann Infantile Memory < (filmpjes) > Questions that need answers!

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Maddie: Minister assured that the investigation was not affected

"I have evidence that the statements by the National Director of the PJ, did not affect the progress of the investigation," said the Minister of Justice of Portugal, Alberto Costa, during his questioning before the parliamentary committee News of Constitutionnels, rights, freedoms and guarantees where he had been invited to explain the recent statements by National Director of the Judicial Police, Alipio Ribeiro to Case Madeleine McCann. "It was my duty to maintain confidence in the national director of the Judicial Police, said Alberto Costa, adding that" any other attitude would have resulted had the biggest drawbacks. "

In response to parliamentarians, the Minister has ensured that the statements by the National Director of the Judicial Police did not violate the secrecy of Justice if it did "there would have been an investigation." The national director of the Judicial Police, Alipio Ribeiro, said during an interview that there had been "hasty" at the time of the designer couple as arguidos McCann.

About investigators Madeleine case, the Minister has defended "they are people experienced, professional, mature, which is not - as some articles have suggested - restless, unmotivated intimately e frustrated by any word that has been said in terms more or less debatable." Bron

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Madeleine case Justice Minister considers it is "premature" to speak of the failure of the investigation. The Justice Minister, Alberto Costa, considered today it was "premature" to announce the failure of the investigation into the Madeleine case and defended that the development of the process should be awaited "without noise"

"We should await the development of the process without noise and we should not be premature in marking the outcome of the process", Alberto Costa said during the First Parliamentary Comission about the controversial statements that were made by the national director of the Policia Judiciaria (PJ) concerning the case of the English child that disppeared in the Algarve in May 2007. The national director of the PJ, Alipio Ribeiro, stated, during an interview, that there may have been precipitation in the constitution of Kate and Gerry McCann, the child's parents, into arguidos.

When questioned by Nuno Melo, an MP from CDS/PP, about the truthfulness of Alipio Ribeiro's statements, the minister was peremptory: "I don't know, I don't want to know, and I cannot know whether they are false or true". In another phase of the audition, which had been requested by CDS/PP, Alberto Costa remembered that "as a member of government, he never publicly comments on statements from persons who depend from him".

Earlier, the minister had guaranteed to the MP's in the Parliamentary Comission for Constitutional Matters that the comment from the PJ's top official had not affected "the superior course of the process" and that he has no indication that there may have been a "violation of the judicial secrecy".

Aguiar Branco, an MP from PSD, criticised that the Minister of Justice and communist MP Antonio Filipe - who dismissed the initiative from CDS/PP as "noise" - had diminished the value of Alipio Ribeiro's statements. "We are playing with fire. There is an ongoing dismissal of the statements that are made by judicial agents within this Commission", the former Justice Minister said, also referring to the parliamentary audition of the Public Prosecutor, Pinto Ribeiro, about his statements concerning phone tapping.

Like Helena Pinto, from Bloco de Esquerda, Aguiar Branco considered that the minister only gave "procedural justifications". "This is not a technical issue. The problem is one of political management of the situation", Aguiar Branco said, questioning whether the minister considered that Alipio Ribeiro's words were "innocuous".

The social-democrat MP insisted that this is "a problem of institutional trust", and that it was necessary to "draw political consequences from the statements".Nuno Melo also criticised the alleged attempt to dismiss Alipio Ribeiro's statements, mentioning that those "had consequences on the credibility of Justice" and "external and internal" repercussions on the image of criminal investigation and of the country itself."

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Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 23:49 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Een restje complot denken? Er is een dossier, de McCann's zijn officieel verdacht, de details van de zaak zijn niet bekend, maar er zijn veel aanwijzingen dat er belastend materiaal is waaronder DNA sporen en er zijn aantoonbaar grote gaten in de getuigenverklaringen.

Als dat complot denken is, dan hadden we op Fok ook alle speculaties over Holleeder moeten stoppen totdat de rechter geoordeeld had. Leg mij uit waarom dat wel mocht en dit niet (en niet zeggen dat je in de nieuwe Revu gelezen had dat .... want in de McCann zaak zijn er nog veel meer bladen die zeer belastende zaken publiceren dan wel suggereren).

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Op donderdag 31 januari 2008 16:01 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Graag gedaan en goedemiddag.
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Dat dus en verder, geen woorden meer aan vuil maken.
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Inderdaad, de politie in Portugal zal heus CM niet aan zijn neus hangen waar ze mee bezig zijn, en de Britse autoriteiten kunnen ook roepen wat ze willen, die kunnen niets veranderen aan een onderzoek in een vreemd land.
Buiten dat, er is toch DNA bewijs of word ik nu gek?

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Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 12:08 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://www.irishexaminer.(...)qid=55276-qqqx=1.asp

Het onderzoek beeindigen, dat zat er vanaf het begin wel in, alleen vind ik het vreemd om zo'n uitspraak te doen terwijl er nog een brief ergens zweeft, waar is die brief en wie heeft hem in z'n bureaula liggen?

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Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 14:36 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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De zaak is gesloten toen de moeder werd veroordeeld, de zaak tegen de rechercheurs stond daar los van geloof ik, haar advocaten zouden wel bezig zijn met heropenen maar daar heb ik verder nog niets over gelezen.

Dat is idd een zacht gezegd een vreemd groepje, het zou me niets verbazen als de loge van Gerry van de vrijmetselaars daar een grote vinger in de pap heeft.
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Van het gastenboek, een beetje wereldvreemd misschien?

http://users4.smartgb.com/g/g.php?a=s&i=g43-09628-ad

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I've almost given up trying to analyse announcements about the Madeleine case from Portuguese officials. Everything that appears to be a clue, a development or admission of incompetence is then contradicted. And usually blamed on a poor translation.

Even those with fluent Portuguese struggle to understand the nuances of the country's complicated legal system. So how am I expected to wade through the confusion? The latest comes from the justice minister who claims, apparently, that the case is to be wrapped up with detectives conceding defeat. They just don't know what happened to Madeleine.

In the wake of all this, I get two calls from colleagues in Portugal warning me to treat the story with care. "It's still not clear what is being said," says one caller. And that's from someone whose judgement is pretty good, but even he doesn't know what it means.

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Op donderdag 14 februari 2008 19:52 schreef Suko het volgende:

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En verder is Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt ook het spoor bijster, in het begin absoluut pro-McCann, maar heeft een paar maanden terug 24.12.07 best een kritische docu (eventueel hier terug te zien) gemaakt, wat schrijft hij vandaag:[quote]I've almost given up trying to analyse announcements about the Madeleine case from Portuguese officials. Everything that appears to be a clue, a development or admission of incompetence is then contradicted. And usually blamed on a poor translation.

Even those with fluent Portuguese struggle to understand the nuances of the country's complicated legal system. So how am I expected to wade through the confusion? The latest comes from the justice minister who claims, apparently, that the case is to be wrapped up with detectives conceding defeat. They just don't know what happened to Madeleine.

In the wake of all this, I get two calls from colleagues in Portugal warning me to treat the story with care. "It's still not clear what is being said," says one caller. And that's from someone whose judgement is pretty good, but even he doesn't know what it means.

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Martin.
Surely by now, you must have realized that for a Country, who follows a secrecy law, they"re not going to put everything into plain old english just for us. Why should they anyway? The PJ should have been left alone to get on with their job, and the not so Honorable British Press should now leave them alone to do just that, and stop printing mis-interpretations, if they are not confident in what was actually said. If there is any more reporting then at least stick to the truth and if they dont know it dont print. I think we have all had it up to here with spin, and yesterday for me was the limit.

I have come to the point where, I now hope that the Portuguese are leading you all up the garden path, until they are ready to bring some conclusion, to what can only be described as a very complex case.You know that Martin. And what has been insinuated about the Portuguese people and their Judicial system, is disgraceful.

Bottom line Martin is that its starting to sound like no one can do anything better than we british. As for the story going off the boil, what story? there has never been any Investigative Journalistic story anyway. You all allowed yourselves to be guided by Clarence Mitchell. Well done. For the past several months there is no honour in being British.

Truly annoyed now with the press.

Yours Sincerely as ever. Sandra Ryan. Posted by: Sandra Ryan. Spain. 14 Feb 2008 17:04:46

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Yesterday was a busy day on several fronts. Kate and I met with representatives of Missing Children Europe. This is an umbrella organisation that has 21 member non-governmental organisations that are involved in supporting families of missing and exploited children, from 15 EU countries. Missing Children Europe aims to share best practice, ensures a European presence at ICMEC and liases with various European Institutions. www.missingchildren.eu They have played a major role in securing the EU commission supporting a dedicated hotline for missing children: 116 000. The commission is also supportive of the introduction of a child alert system throughout the EU similar to the Amber alert system in the USA. However only a few countries run such a system and there is a lot of work to be done before the system is implemented in many countries, never mind an integrated throughout the EU.

The Portuguese justice minister also spoke to parliament yesterday regarding Mr Ribeiro’s comments about the haste with which we were made arguidos. As I stated at the time, no one can doubt how we have been scrutinised. We hope that, if as reported, the justice minister said the investigation is nearing a close that our arguido status will be lifted in the near future so that everyone can concentrate on searching for Madeleine. We will not give up looking for her until she is found and we hope that the police are similarly determined."

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Apart from that, the PJ still waits for the McCanns and the friends with whom they had dinner on the evening of the disappearance to be subject to new interrogations, in fulfillment of the rogatory letter that was sent by the Portuguese authorities. The same judicial source also stressed that a new request to the instruction judge at the Portimao Court, Pedro Frias, who holds the process, is being pondered,to extend the investigation deadline for an additional 90 days, if there is not a brief response to the aforementioned letter.

They can rest

The McCanns can rest concerning the investigations into the disappearance of their daughter, because they will not be closed until it is discovered what really happened to the child, an investigator of the case promised to 24Horas. "An investigation of this type is always open and all the clues that keep appearing are duly investigated", he guaranteed. Meer >>> The 3 Arguido's