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The loci of evolution: how predictable is genetic evolution?
Stern, D.L. and Orgogozo, V. (2008)
Evolution Volume 62, Issue 9, Pages 2155-2177


Abstract
Is genetic evolution predictable? Evolutionary developmental biologists have argued that, at least for morphological traits, the answer is a resounding yes. Most mutations causing morphological variation are expected to reside in the cis-regulatory, rather than the coding, regions of developmental genes. This "cis-regulatory hypothesis" has recently come under attack. In this review, we first describe and critique the arguments that have been proposed in support of the cis-regulatory hypothesis. We then test the empirical support for the cis-regulatory hypothesis with a comprehensive survey of mutations responsible for phenotypic evolution in multicellular organisms. Cis-regulatory mutations currently represent approximately 22% of 331 identified genetic changes although the number of cis-regulatory changes published annually is rapidly increasing. Above the species level, cis-regulatory mutations altering morphology are more common than coding changes. Also, above the species level cis-regulatory mutations predominate for genes not involved in terminal differentiation. These patterns imply that the simple question "Do coding or cis-regulatory mutations cause more phenotypic evolution?" hides more interesting phenomena. Evolution in different kinds of populations and over different durations may result in selection of different kinds of mutations. Predicting the genetic basis of evolution requires a comprehensive synthesis of molecular developmental biology and population genetics.

Conclusion
In the absence of a population genetics framework, evolutionary developmental biologists have inferred from (1) our current understanding of gene regulatory networks, (2) our understanding of gene structure and function, and (3) the extensive conservation of developmental genes, that mutations in the cis-regulatory regions of developmental patterning genes are likely to underlie most of phenotypic evolution. However, no single argument proposed so far provides definitive proof that cis-regulatory mutations constitute the predominant cause of phenotypic evolution. By considering development and population genetics simultaneously, a survey of published data suggests that patterns of genetic evolution are not entirely obscured by historical contingency. Population genetics and development must be considered simultaneously to make sense of the data.

It may be unhelpful to pose the coding versus cis-regulatory debate as a quantitative question: do coding changes explain more of phenotypic evolution than cis-regulatory changes? It may be more productive to turn the question around and ask what kinds of phenotypic changes are expected from particular coding versus cis-regulatory changes in specific genes. As we show, patterns in the currently available data imply that morphological and physiological traits are caused by different frequencies of coding and cis-regulatory changes. This is consistent with our molecular understanding of how coding and cis-regulatory changes might influence physiology and morphology.

We also found that different spectra of evolutionarily relevant mutations segregate within populations and between species. Interspecific differences in morphology seem to be more often caused by cis-regulatory changes than intraspecific variation. This result is not predicted by a traditional neo-Darwinian view of the contribution of intraspecific variation to interspecific differences. Instead, it appears that evolution over longer time scales results in fixation of a specific subset of the genetic variation contributing to intraspecific phenotypic variation.

By fusing developmental and evolutionary genetics, evolutionary biologists may be able to predict, in a probabilistic sense, the mutations underlying phenotypic evolution. Fortunately, scientists are rapidly identifying the genetic causes of phenotypic evolution, providing abundant data for testing new predictions about the genetic basis of evolution.
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New Ant Species Discovered In The Amazon Likely Represents Oldest Living Lineage Of Ants

A new species of blind, subterranean, predatory ant discovered in the Amazon rainforest by University of Texas at Austin evolutionary biologist Christian Rabeling is likely a descendant of the very first ants to evolve.

The new ant is named Martialis heureka, which translates roughly to "ant from Mars," because the ant has a combination of characteristics never before recorded. It is adapted for dwelling in the soil, is two to three millimeters long, pale, and has no eyes and large mandibles, which Rabeling and colleagues suspect it uses to capture prey.

The ant also belongs to its own new subfamily, one of 21 subfamilies in ants. This is the first time that a new subfamily of ants with living species has been discovered since 1923 (other new subfamilies have been discovered from fossil ants).

Rabeling says his discovery will help biologists better understand the biodiversity and evolution of ants, which are abundant and ecologically important insects.

"This discovery hints at a wealth of species, possibly of great evolutionary importance, still hidden in the soils of the remaining rainforests," writes Rabeling and his co-authors in a paper reporting their recent discovery in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Rabeling collected the only known specimen of the new ant species in 2003 from leaf-litter at the Empresa Brasileira de Pesquisa Agropecuária in Manaus, Brazil.

He and his colleagues found that the ant was a new species, genus and subfamily after morphological and genetic analysis. Analysis of DNA from the ant's legs confirmed its phylogenetic position at the very base of the ant evolutionary tree.

Ants evolved over 120 million years ago from wasp ancestors. They probably evolved quickly into many different lineages, with ants specializing to lives in the soil, leaf-litter or trees, or becoming generalists.

"This discovery lends support to the idea that blind subterranean predator ants arose at the dawn of ant evolution," says Rabeling, a graduate student in the ecology, evolution and behavior program.

Rabeling does not suggest that the ancestor to all ants was blind and subterranean, but that these adaptations arose early and have persisted over the years.

"Based on our data and the fossil record, we assume that the ancestor of this ant was somewhat wasp-like, perhaps similar to the Cretaceous amber fossil Sphecomyrma, which is widely known as the evolutionary missing link between wasps and ants," says Rabeling.

He speculates that the new ant species evolved adaptations over time to its subterranean habitat (for example, loss of eyes and pale body color), while retaining some of its ancestor's physical characteristics.

"The new ant species is hidden in environmentally stable tropical soils with potentially less competition from other ants and in a relatively stable microclimate," he says. "It could represent a 'relict' species that retained some ancestral morphological characteristics."
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  zondag 28 september 2008 @ 19:28:09 #228
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In het volgende filmpje een experiment met een chimp. Hij onthoudt een reeks van 9 getallen willekeurig verspreid feilloos binnen een fractie van een seconde. Mensen hebben enkele seconden nodig en hebben met 5 getallen al moeite en doen het zeker niet foutloos.

The human ape 6/10

In een ander fragment van deze docu is ook te zien dat kinderen erg vatbaar zijn voor mythologie een nutteloze handeling bijvoorbeeld repeteren ze zonder kritisch te zijn, een chimp daarentegen doorziet dat en slaat zo'n handeling over.

The human ape 4/10
The human ape 5/10
It is important to distinguish between a stupid person and a shit head. A stupid person simply can't process the information , a shit head is intelligent but his mind is full of garbage.
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Op zondag 28 september 2008 19:28 schreef digitaLL het volgende:
In het volgende filmpje een experiment met een chimp. Hij onthoudt een reeks van 9 getallen willekeurig verspreid feilloos binnen een fractie van een seconde. Mensen hebben enkele seconden nodig en hebben met 5 getallen al moeite en doen het zeker niet foutloos.

The human ape 6/10

In een ander fragment van deze docu is ook te zien dat kinderen erg vatbaar zijn voor mythologie een nutteloze handeling bijvoorbeeld repeteren ze zonder kritisch te zijn, een chimp daarentegen doorziet dat en slaat zo'n handeling over.

The human ape 4/10
The human ape 5/10
Doet me een beetje denken aan de onderzoeken naar Kanzi, een bonobo die aardig wat 'menselijke vaardigheden' heeft geleerd zoals onder andere:
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  • In an outing in the Georgia woods, Kanzi touched the symbols for "marshmallows" and "fire." "Given matches and marshmallows, Kanzi snapped twigs for a fire, lit them with the matches and toasted the marshmallows on a stick."
  • Paul Raffaele, at Savage-Rumbaugh's request, performed a Maori War Dance for the Bonobos. This dance includes thigh-slapping, chest-thumping, and hollering. Almost all the bonobos present interpreted this as an aggressive display, and reacted with loud screams, tooth-baring, and pounding the walls and floor. All but Kanzi, who remained perfectly calm, and conveyed in Bonobo language (interpreted by Savage-Rumbaugh to Raffaele) that he knew that no threat was meant, but that the performance should be apart from the other bonobos so as not to upset them. So a private performance in another room was successfully, peacefully and happily carried out.
  • Sue Savage-Rumbaugh has observed Kanzi in communication to his sister. In this experiment, Kanzi was kept in a separate room of the Great Ape Project and shown some yogurt. Kanzi started vocalizing the word "yogurt" in an unknown "language"; his sister, who could not see the yogurt, then pointed to the lexigram for yogurt.
  • Kanzi's accomplishments also include tool use and tool crafting. Kanzi is an accomplished stone tool maker and is quite proud of his ability to flake Oldowan style cutting knives. He learned this skill from Dr. Nick Toth, who is an anthropologist with the Stone Age Institute in Bloomington, Indiana. The stone knives Kanzi creates are very sharp and can cut animal hide and thick ropes.
  • Kanzi begrijpt ook redelijk wat (Engelse) woorden en basale grammatica. Bijzonder is daarbij ook nog dat het eigenlijk niet de bedoeling was om Kanzi dat te leren, maar zijn moeder. Dat is een interessant gegeven, omdat de kritiek op experimenten waarbij apen 'taal' geleerd wordt nog wel eens is dat ze de taal niet daadwerkelijk leren, maar simpelweg geconditioneerd worden d.m.v. beloningen zoals honden ook afgericht worden.
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    Interessante publicatie in Science over de rol van religies in de evolutie van de mens:
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    The Origin and Evolution of Religious Prosociality
    Ara Norenzayan* and Azim F. Shariff

    We examine empirical evidence for religious prosociality, the hypothesis that religions facilitate costly behaviors that benefit other people. Although sociological surveys reveal an association between self-reports of religiosity and prosociality, experiments measuring religiosity and actual prosocial behavior suggest that this association emerges primarily in contexts where reputational concerns are heightened.
    Experimentally induced religious thoughts reduce rates of cheating and increase altruistic behavior among anonymous strangers. Experiments demonstrate an association between apparent profession of religious devotion and greater trust. Cross-cultural evidence suggests an association between the cultural presence of morally concerned deities and large group size in humans.
    We synthesize converging evidence from various fields for religious prosociality, address its specific boundary conditions, and point to unresolved questions and novel predictions.

    [..]

    Conclusions, Outstanding Questions, and Future Directions

    Many religious traditions around the world explicitly encourage the faithful to be unconditionally prosocial (1, 2); yet, theoretical considerations and empirical evidence indicate that religiously socialized individuals should be, and are, much more discriminating in their prosociality (2). Although empathy and compassion as social-bonding emotions do exist and may play a role in prosocial acts of religious and nonreligious individuals some of the time (41), there is little direct evidence to date that such emotions are systematically implicated in religious prosociality.

    The preponderance of the evidence points to religious prosociality being a bounded phenomenon. Religion's association with prosociality is most evident when the situation calls for maintaining a favorable social reputation within the ingroup. When thoughts of morally concerned deities are cognitively salient, an objectively anonymous situation becomes nonanonymous and, therefore, reputationally relevant, or alternatively, such thoughts activate prosocial tendencies because of a prior mental association. This could occur when such thoughts are induced experimentally or in naturalistic religious situations, such as when people attend religious services or engage in ritual performance. This explains why the religious situation is more important than the religious disposition in predicting prosocial behavior.

    Although religions continue to be powerful facilitators of prosociality in large groups, they are not the only ones. The cultural spread of reliable secular institutions, such as courts, policing authorities, and effective contract-enforcing mechanisms, although historically recent, has changed the course of human prosociality. Consequently, active members of modern secular organizations are at least as likely to report donating to charity as active members of religious ones (42). Supporting this conclusion, experimentally induced reminders of secular moral authority had as much effect on generous behavior in an economic game as reminders of God (27), and there are many examples of modern, large, cooperative, and not very religious societies (such as those in Western and Northern Europe), that, nonetheless, retain a great degree of intragroup trust and cooperation (43).

    Any one study we have discussed can be subject to alternative accounts; therefore, specific evidence should be interpreted with caution. Nevertheless, convergent evidence is emerging from several disciplines using different methods and procedures that supply different pieces of the religious prosociality puzzle. Despite the recent scientific progress in explaining the effects of religion on prosociality, open and important questions remain. In particular, more research is needed to address the costliness of religious and nonreligious rituals, and few studies have attempted to quantify these costs in relation to prosocial behavior. The finding that religiosity evokes greater trust underscores the need for more experimental and theoretical research, including mathematical modeling, to establish the specific conditions under which costly religious commitment could evolve as a stable individual strategy and whether these models need to take into account intergroup competition. More broadly, the extent to which religion is implicated in human cooperation, and the precise sequence of evolutionary developments in religious prosociality, remain open to lively scientific debate. Further progress on these issues will require concerted collaboration among historians, archaeologists, social scientists, and evolutionary biologists.

    In recent years, moral psychology has received a great deal of scientific attention (44), and although most of the studies reviewed here concern behavioral outcomes, the relation between religious prosociality and moral intuitions and reasoning is ripe for further investigation. More direct research on the possible role of prosocial motivations, such as empathy and compassion, in religious prosociality are needed. Finally, we have seen that religious prosociality is not extended indiscriminately; the "dark side" of within-group cooperation is between-group competition and conflict (45). The same mechanisms involved in ingroup altruism may also facilitate outgroup antagonism. This is an area of no small debate, but scientific attention is needed to examine precisely how individuals and groups determine who are the beneficiaries of religious prosociality, and who its victims.
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    Humans will not evolve further, says geneticist

    By John von Radowitz, PA Science Correspondent
    Tuesday, 7 October 2008

    Human evolution is grinding to a halt, according to a leading genetics expert.

    The gloomy message from Professor Steve Jones is: this is as good as it gets.

    Professor Jones, from the Department of Genetics, Evolution and Environment at University College London, believes the mechanisms of evolution are winding down in the human race.

    At least in the developed world, humans are now as close to utopia as they are ever likely to be, he argues.

    Speaking at a UCL Lunch Hour Lecture in London, Professor Jones said there were three components to evolution - natural selection, mutation and random change.

    He said: "In ancient times half our children would have died by the age of twenty. Now, in the Western world, 98 per cent of them are surviving to the age of 21. Our life expectancy is now so good that eliminating all accidents and infectious diseases would only raise it by a further two years. Natural selection no longer has death as a handy tool."

    Mutation rate was also slowing down, he said.

    Although chemicals and radioactive pollution could cause genetic changes, one of the most important mutation triggers was advanced age in men.

    "Perhaps surprisingly, the age of reproduction has gone down - the mean age of male reproduction means that most conceive no children after the age of 35," said Prof Jones. "Fewer older fathers means that if anything, mutation is going down."

    Random alterations to the human genetic blueprint were also less likely in a world that had become an ethnic melting pot, according to Prof Jones.

    He said: "Humans are 10,000 times more common than we should be, according to the rules of the animal kingdom, and we have agriculture to thank for that. Without farming, the world population would probably have reached half a million by now - about the size of the population of Glasgow.

    "Small populations which are isolated can change - evolve - at random as genes are accidentally lost. Worldwide, all populations are becoming connected and the opportunity for random change is dwindling. History is made in bed, but nowadays the beds are getting closer together. Almost everywhere, inbreeding is becoming less common. In Britain, one marriage in fifty or so is between members of a different ethnic group, and the country is one of the most sexually open in the world. We are mixing into a global mass, and the future is brown."

    He added: "So, if you are worried about what utopia is going to be like, don't; at least in the developed world, and at least for the time being, you are living in it now.
    Bron: http://www.independent.co(...)neticist-953723.html

    Heeft Prof. Jones gelijk? Ik denk van niet. Evolutie van de mens gaat erg langzaam en misschien ook wel steeds langzamer, de afgelopen 1000 jaar zal er inderdaad niet veel zijn veranderd, maar als je het over de afgelopen 100.000 jaar bekijkt, is er toch wel behoorlijk wat veranderd. Wie weet wat er de komende 100.000 jaar gaat gebeuren? Evolutie gaat ook niet alleen om het organisme, maar ook over de omgeving van het organisme, en ik zie niet in waarom de omgeving niet zou veranderen. En in dat geval zal de mens zich ook aanpassen.
    DE ONTEMBARE LEEUWEN
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      donderdag 9 oktober 2008 @ 12:14:10 #232
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    Wacht maar totdat we mensen genetisch gaan modificeren!
    Daher iſt die Aufgabe nicht ſowohl, zu ſehn was noch Keiner geſehn hat, als, bei Dem, was Jeder ſieht, zu denken was noch Keiner gedacht hat.
      donderdag 9 oktober 2008 @ 12:37:35 #233
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    Prof jones is een beetje in de war.

    * Jonge mannen produceren ook mutaties.
    * Een groot deel van onze evolutionaire geschiedenis werden we niet ouder dan 30
    * hij zegt: natuurlijke selectie is weg. Maar natuurlijjke selectie BEPERKT variatie. wat wil hij nou zeggen dan? Er is niet genoeg variatie omdat we te weinig mutaties hebben _of_ er wordt te weinig variatie weggeselecteerd.

    Beetje jammer voor zo'n geneticus.

    [ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door wijsneus op 09-10-2008 13:05:57 ]
    Siamo Tutti Antifascisti!
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    Dat is een stokpaardje van Jones dat verder toch niet echt blijkt uit recente publicaties zoals b.v. deze:
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    Ongoing Adaptive Evolution of ASPM, a Brain Size Determinant in Homo sapiens
    Nitzan Mekel-Bobrov,1,2 Sandra L. Gilbert,1 Patrick D. Evans,1,2 Eric J. Vallender,1,2 Jeffrey R. Anderson,1 Richard R. Hudson,3 Sarah A. Tishkoff,4 Bruce T. Lahn1*

    The gene ASPM (abnormal spindle-like microcephaly associated) is a specific regulator of brain size, and its evolution in the lineage leading to Homo sapiens was driven by strong positive selection. Here, we show that one genetic variant of ASPM in humans arose merely about 5800 years ago and has since swept to high frequency under strong positive selection. These findings, especially the remarkably young age of the positively selected variant, suggest that the human brain is still undergoing rapid adaptive evolution
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    Recent acceleration of human adaptive evolution
    John Hawks, Eric T. Wang, Gregory M. Cochran, Henry C. Harpending , and Robert K. Moyzis

    Genomic surveys in humans identify a large amount of recent positive selection. Using the 3.9M HapMap SNP dataset, we found that selection has accelerated greatly during the last 40,000 years. We tested the null hypothesis that the observed age distribution of recent positively selected linkage blocks is consistent with a constant rate of adaptive substitution during human evolution. We show that a constant rate high enough to explain the number of recently selected variants would predict (1) site heterozygosity at least tenfold lower than is observed in humans, (2) a strong relationship of heterozygosity and local recombination rate, which is not observed in humans, (3) an implausibly high number of adaptive substitutions between humans and chimpanzees, and (4) nearly 100 times the observed number of high-frequency LD blocks. Larger populations generate more new selected mutations, and we show the consistency of the observed data with the historical pattern of human population growth. We consider human demographic growth to be linked with past changes in human cultures and ecologies. Both processes have contributed to the extraordinarily rapid recent genetic evolution of our species.
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    Evolutie is niet alleen het divergeren. Het betreft allle veranderingen in genenpools. B.v. veranderingen van allelfrequenties, toename of afname van diversiteit.

    In de vorige eeuw is er een revolutionaire ontwikkeling geweest t.a.v. mobiliteit en communicatie, met het gevolg dat er nu een enorme geneflow is, veel genetische vermenging, Veel meer exogamie als je het vergelijkt met de meer endogame agrarische gemeenschappen tot een paar honderd jaren geleden.
    Die vermenging en de impact die het na generaties zal hebben op de genenpool, is ook een evolutionair
    phenomeen "at work". Evolutie is m.i. niet alleen het splitsen of uit elkaar groeien, Het is het geheel
    aan invloeden die een genetische impact hebben.

    De boude stelling van Jones zal wel een leuke discussie in de wetenschappelijke kringen opleveren.
    Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
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    Even een update t.a.v. mijn vorige (hierboven staande) posting over het onderwerp
    en een link naar het weblog van John Hawks: Human evolution stopping? Wrong, wrong, wrong.

    zomaar een quote:
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    Jones excludes gene flow, one of the usual four mechanisms of evolution -- this allows him later to argue that population mixing is a sign of evolution stopping, when in fact it is evolution.
    Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
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    Researchers have found a possible new route taken by early modern humans as they expanded out of Africa to colonise the rest of the world.

    A study published in the journal PNAS proposes a "wet corridor" through Libya for ancient human migrations.
    Rivers once flowed from the central Saharan watershed all the way to the Mediterranean, the team explains.
    This might have enabled modern humans to spread beyond their ancestral homeland about 120,000 years ago. The Sahara then covered most of North Africa, as it does now. So it would have presented a formidable obstacle for early modern humans wishing to cross from the south to the north of the continent.

    Researchers had previously focused on the Nile Valley as the principal route of dispersal into other continents by early representatives of our species. Previous data show there was increased rainfall across the southern part of the Sahara between 130,000 and 170,000 years ago; in a gap between Ice Ages known as the last interglacial period.

    The researchers, from the universities of Bristol, Southampton, Oxford, Hull and Tripoli in Libya, investigated whether these wetter conditions had reached a lot further north than previously thought. Radar images from space revealed fossil river channels crossing the Sahara in Libya, flowing north from the central Saharan watershed to the Mediterranean coast. Using geochemical tests, the scientists showed the channels were active during the last interglacial. This would have created vital water courses across an otherwise arid region, the researchers write in PNAS.

    The central Saharan watershed is a range of volcanic mountains formerly considered to be the limit of this wetter region. Researchers analysed the forms, or isotopes, of different chemical elements in snail shells from two sites in the fossil river channels and from the shells of planktonic microfossils in the Mediterranean.
    Despite being hundreds of kilometres from the volcanic rocks of the Saharan watershed, the tests revealed a distinct volcanic signature to these shells, which was quite different to rocks from surrounding sites. The scientists concluded that water flowing from the volcanic mountains of the central Sahara was the only possible source of this signature.

    "It's a possible route that the early modern humans could have taken," lead author Anne Osborne, from the earth sciences group at Bristol, told BBC News. Similarities in the style of stone tools being made in Chad and Sudan with those manufactured in Libya during this key period, lend the theory some support, say the scientists. "We now need to focus archaeological fieldwork around the large drainage channels an palaeo-lakes to test these ideas," said co-author Dr Nick Barton, from the University of Oxford. Although it is unclear which routes they took to get there, Homo sapiens had reached the Levant by around 100,000 years ago, where their remains are known from Es Skhul and Qafzeh in Israel.

    However, this appears to have been an early, failed foray outside Africa by modern humans. By 75,000 years ago, Neanderthals had replaced our species in the region.

    Then, about 45,000 years ago, modern humans reoccupied the area. Genetic evidence suggests that populations living outside Africa today are the descendents of a migration which originated in the east of the continent between 60-70,000 years ago. Some of these pioneers probably crossed the Red Sea at the Bab-el-Mandab straits, taking them from the Horn of Africa across to the Arabian Peninsula.
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    Nature publicatie over een nieuwe 'missing link' tussen dino en vogel:
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    Zhang, F. et al. (2008) A bizarre Jurassic maniraptoran from China with elongate ribbon-like feathers. Nature, 455, 1105-1108.

    Recent coelurosaurian discoveries have greatly enriched our knowledge of the transition from dinosaurs to birds, but all reported taxa close to this transition are from relatively well known coelurosaurian groups1, 2, 3. Here we report a new basal avialan, Epidexipteryx hui gen. et sp. nov., from the Middle to Late Jurassic of Inner Mongolia, China. This new species is characterized by an unexpected combination of characters seen in several different theropod groups, particularly the Oviraptorosauria. Phylogenetic analysis shows it to be the sister taxon to Epidendrosaurus 4, 5, forming a new clade at the base of Avialae6. Epidexipteryx also possesses two pairs of elongate ribbon-like tail feathers, and its limbs lack contour feathers for flight. This finding shows that a member of the avialan lineage experimented with integumentary ornamentation as early as the Middle to Late Jurassic, and provides further evidence relating to this aspect of the transition from non-avian theropods to birds.
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    Ik geloof niet in evolutie, te weinig concreet bewijs. Het betekent ook niet dat Creationisme klopt.
    Hoewel ik de man van Skepsis wel grappig vind.

    '' In this picture we have a cornfield with the name Skepsis written in it, does this mean that some magical power created that in these cornfields or that we have a guy who is very good at photoshopping''

    daar tegenover staat Kent Hovind (de creationist) die nu ook in de gevangenis zit wegens belastingontduiking.
    die ook wel grappig is.

    '' A mind is like a parachute, It needs to be open to function''
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    Op zondag 26 oktober 2008 02:48 schreef FrXx het volgende:
    Ik geloof niet in evolutie, te weinig concreet bewijs.
    http://evolution.berkeley(...)wse2.php?topic_id=46
    Now I'm walking on the sunnyside of the street
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    ik zal er even naar kijken
      zondag 26 oktober 2008 @ 16:58:43 #242
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    Op zondag 26 oktober 2008 02:48 schreef FrXx het volgende:
    Ik geloof niet in evolutie, te weinig concreet bewijs.
    Wat wil je concreter dan:

  • DNA
  • Morfologische overeenkomsten (hangt natuurlijk samen met het vorige)
  • Fossielen
  • De mogelijkheid om kunstmatige selectie toe te passen en soorten te veredelen
  • Het aantreffen van diersoorten die bij de omgeving passen (b.v. witte ijsberen, roggen met de ogen aan de bovenkant van het hoofd etc.) Als er geen evolutie zou zijn zouden dieren veel statischer moeten zijn, en daar het klimaat aardig veranderd is in de afgelopen miljoenen jaren zou je wat dat betreft wel wat 'mismatches' moeten hebben.
  • Uitgestorven dieren, maar nog steeds een grote variëteit aan soorten – als er geen evolutie zou zijn, hoe zouden er dan nieuwe soorten ontstaan?

    Dit rijtje is nog niet eens uitputtend.
  • Daher iſt die Aufgabe nicht ſowohl, zu ſehn was noch Keiner geſehn hat, als, bei Dem, was Jeder ſieht, zu denken was noch Keiner gedacht hat.
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    Vertel mij maar de evolutie van het DNA van niets tot een paar miljard baseparen die samen de code vormen voor een species. Ja in je eigen woord :-)
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    Op zondag 26 oktober 2008 16:58 schreef Iblis het volgende:

    [..]

    Wat wil je concreter dan:

  • DNA
  • Morfologische overeenkomsten (hangt natuurlijk samen met het vorige)
  • Fossielen
  • De mogelijkheid om kunstmatige selectie toe te passen en soorten te veredelen
  • Het aantreffen van diersoorten die bij de omgeving passen (b.v. witte ijsberen, roggen met de ogen aan de bovenkant van het hoofd etc.) Als er geen evolutie zou zijn zouden dieren veel statischer moeten zijn, en daar het klimaat aardig veranderd is in de afgelopen miljoenen jaren zou je wat dat betreft wel wat 'mismatches' moeten hebben.
  • Uitgestorven dieren, maar nog steeds een grote variëteit aan soorten – als er geen evolutie zou zijn, hoe zouden er dan nieuwe soorten ontstaan?

    Dit rijtje is nog niet eens uitputtend.
  • Het verschil tussen het geloof en het bijgeloof is dat het geloof een conclusie is van rationeel onderzoek.
    De waarheid is van iedereen.
      zondag 26 oktober 2008 @ 18:00:32 #244
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    aequat omnis cinis
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    Op zondag 26 oktober 2008 17:52 schreef Aslama het volgende:
    Vertel mij maar de evolutie van het DNA van niets tot een paar miljard baseparen die samen de code vormen voor een species. Ja in je eigen woord :-)
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    Dat is evolutietheorie, hij wilde het bewijs voor de feiten van evolutie, daar heb je ze. Bovendien refereer je nu specifiek naar common descent. Wat gerelateerd, doch wel net iets anders is.
    Daher iſt die Aufgabe nicht ſowohl, zu ſehn was noch Keiner geſehn hat, als, bei Dem, was Jeder ſieht, zu denken was noch Keiner gedacht hat.
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    quote:
    Op zondag 26 oktober 2008 17:52 schreef Aslama het volgende:
    Vertel mij maar de evolutie van het DNA van niets tot een paar miljard baseparen die samen de code vormen voor een species. Ja in je eigen woord :-)
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    Dat is net zoiets als vragen om het exacte verhaal van elke vermoorde jood in WOII als 'bewijs voor de holocaust'.
    Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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    Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 09:41 schreef Monolith het volgende:

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    Dat is net zoiets als vragen om het exacte verhaal van elke vermoorde jood in WOII als 'bewijs voor de holocaust'.
    Beschrijf dan alleen van wat al zo duidelijk is van het bewijs van de evolutie op het gebied van het DNA. Dit moet toch niet zo moeilijk zijn daar de evolutie overduidelijk is bewezen.
    Het verschil tussen het geloof en het bijgeloof is dat het geloof een conclusie is van rationeel onderzoek.
    De waarheid is van iedereen.
      maandag 27 oktober 2008 @ 19:21:21 #247
    27698 Doffy
    Eigenlijk allang vertrokken
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    Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 19:18 schreef Aslama het volgende:

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    Beschrijf dan alleen van wat al zo duidelijk is van het bewijs van de evolutie op het gebied van het DNA. Dit moet toch niet zo moeilijk zijn daar de evolutie overduidelijk is bewezen.
    Dit topic is daar niet voor bedoeld. Ga ajb ergens anders heen.
    'Nuff said
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    Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 19:21 schreef Doffy het volgende:

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    Dit topic is daar niet voor bedoeld. Ga ajb ergens anders heen.
    Oh jammer, ik ga al ..
    Het verschil tussen het geloof en het bijgeloof is dat het geloof een conclusie is van rationeel onderzoek.
    De waarheid is van iedereen.
      maandag 27 oktober 2008 @ 20:40:55 #249
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    Cafeďne is ook maar een drug.
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    Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 20:15 schreef Aslama het volgende:

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    Oh jammer, ik ga al ..
    Open een topic: "Leg hier Aslama de Evolutie uit"
    Free Assange! Hack the Planet
    [b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
    De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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    @Doffy: Op zich is er wel plek voor vragen over evolutie in dit topic, zolang creationistische geleuter maar achterwege blijft.
    quote:
    Op maandag 27 oktober 2008 19:18 schreef Aslama het volgende:

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    Beschrijf dan alleen van wat al zo duidelijk is van het bewijs van de evolutie op het gebied van het DNA. Dit moet toch niet zo moeilijk zijn daar de evolutie overduidelijk is bewezen.
    "Evolutie op het gebied van DNA" is een beetje vreemde term, aangezien dat nou eigenlijk precies is wat evolutie inhoudt, namelijk verandering in het DNA, die vervolgens onder invloed van omgevingsfactoren resulteren in fenotypische veranderingen. Vele mechanismen zijn bekend, op basis van allerlei technieken wordt het DNA van verschillende soorten vergeleken om te kijken hoe de evolutie precies heeft plaatsgevonden (wanneer zijn soorten afgesplitst, etcetera), binnen de menselijke soort zijn allerlei verschillen bekend zoals bijvoorbeeld het ontstaan van lactosetolerantie door mutaties in gebieden waar veel melk werd gedronken, geevolueerde resistentie tegen epidemische ziektes, enzovoort. HIV is bijvoorbeeld zelf ook weer een interessant studie onderwerp aangezien het snel evolueert.
    Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
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