[F1] F1 nieuwtjes topic deel 25 het einde is in zicht

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Op dinsdag 2 oktober 2007 13:29 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Gooi Wurz er dan ook maar uit

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 09:40 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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En als enige team dachten ze dat het op zou drogen?
Stel nou dat de Fia de intermediates niet verboden had ... dan hadden ze toch nog steeds achteraan gereden?

Todt dient geen protest in ... Monty overruled dat en gaat miepen.

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 09:42 schreef sanger het volgende:

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De strategie was een pure gok, gebaseerd op de Maleisie tacktiek van enkele jaren terug.

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 09:44 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Die gok had dan toch wel verkeerd uitgepakt. Met hetzelfde resultaat (of slechter want dan hadden ze waarschijnlijk een paar ronden langer op intermediates gereden).

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 10:07 schreef sanger het volgende:

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Dat wel, daarom denk ik dat Ferrari zo boos is dat ze die mail niet gehad hebben. Dan hadden ze namelijk beter gescoord.

Ferrari redeneert dat andere teams waarschjijnlijk ook op intermediates gestart zouden zijn. En die kans lijkt me niet eens onrealistisch.

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 10:30 schreef sanger het volgende:
je begript niet wat ik zeg volgens mij.

DiM is van mening dat andere teams (McLaren) waarschijnlijk ook op intermediates hadden gestart indien de extreme wets niet verplicht waren. Ferrari heeft hier dus een nadeel gehad omdat zij niet op de hoogte waren en andere teams wel.

Dat de gok verkeerd is uitgepakt wordt ook niet betwist overigens.

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 11:14 schreef Bernard0s het volgende:
Goed nieuws; Regen wordt voorspeld voor dit weekend, alweer.

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 11:14 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:

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Ferrari op Slicks

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Coulthard surprised by Ferrari's tyre choice
^{03 October 2007}

At the start of Sunday's Grand Prix all teams except Ferrari were told to start the race on wet tyres. At Ferrari though the team never got the message and decided to start the race on intermediates. Both drivers spun and had to pit for new tyres. According to David Coulthard it was a big surprise to see Ferrari on intermediates, as the conditions were terrible the Scotsman said.

Speaking about the incident he said in his ITV column: "I must say I was amazed that Ferrari chose to put him and Felipe Massa on intermediates at the start - regardless of the fuss about when they received their email from Charlie. There was just no way intermediates could have worked. This wasn't a Malaysia 2001 when that policy had worked for them, it was a different situation altogether with way more standing water.

"I don't believe Michael Schumacher and Ross Brawn would have done that in this instance and I think it shows a weakness on Ferrari's part."

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Nakajima returns to Friday driver role
^{By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, October 3rd 2007, 09:32 GMT}

Williams have confirmed that test driver Kazuki Nakajima will drive for them on the Friday of the final two Grands Prix of the season, as they continue to evaluate their driver plans for next year.

Although the Grove-based team already have Nico Rosberg under contract for 2008, there has been continued speculation that he could be a target for McLaren if Fernando Alonso leaves them.

And with Alexander Wurz looking increasingly likely to take a test role next season, there is a possibility that Williams could be looking for two new drivers.

But technical director Sam Michael has said that there will be no rush by the team to sort out their drivers, as Nakajima remains a strong candidate because of his close links to engine supplier Toyota.

"Kazuki will drive the Fridays in Shanghai and Brazil," said Williams. "We have got a shortlist of drivers (for next year), but I would not say we are close to making a decision."

When asked whether or not that meant they could wait until the eve of the 2008 season, Michael said: "It wouldn't be too late, but I would be surprised if it was done before the end of the season. It could be a few months though. We need to wait and see how things fall."

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 10:30 schreef sanger het volgende:
je begript niet wat ik zeg volgens mij.

DiM is van mening dat andere teams (McLaren) waarschijnlijk ook op intermediates hadden gestart indien de extreme wets niet verplicht waren. Ferrari heeft hier dus een nadeel gehad omdat zij niet op de hoogte waren en andere teams wel.

Dat de gok verkeerd is uitgepakt wordt ook niet betwist overigens.

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Hamilton won by default
^{Montezemolo - 3rd October 10:34am GMT}

Lewis Hamilton will have to thank Ferrari if he wins the Formula One title in China this weekend, according to the Italian team's president Luca di Montezemolo.

"I still think that in the spying affair it was a big mistake not to disqualify the McLaren drivers as well," the Gazzetta dello Sport Web site quoted him as saying after Sunday's Japanese Grand Prix.

"It means that if Hamilton wins the championship, he will also win it thanks to Ferrari because there is a lot of Ferrari in his car."

McLaren were fined $100 million (49 million pounds) and stripped of all their constructors' points by the governing International Automobile Federation (FIA) last month for having Ferrari technical information in their possession.

However, the drivers escaped sanctions because the FIA said they been granted an amnesty in exchange for providing evidence.

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Stepney: "Ferrari had ook informatie van McLaren"

03 Oktober, 12:34 | Enkele weken geleden werd McLaren zwaar bestraft voor het feit dat zij vertrouwelijke informatie van Ferrari in handen had. Eén van hun ontwerpers. Mike Coughlan, kreeg deze informatie toegespeeld door Nigel Stepney, een werknemer van Ferrari. Stepney vertelt nu zelf echter dat hij op zijn beurt ook vertrouwelijke informatie over de McLaren kreeg van Coughlan en dat Ferrari dus schuldig is aan dezelfde overtreding als het Britse team.
Stepney doet deze opvallende bekentenis aan GrandPrix.com. “Ik wist ook alles van McLaren,” reageert Stepney op alle heisa rondom de spionagezaak. “Ik wist wanneer ze hun pitstops zouden houden, ik kende hun gewichtsverdeling en kreeg informatie over verschillende onderdelen van de auto.” Mocht Stepney de waarheid spreken dan zou Ferrari dus in feite over dezelfde informatie beschikken over McLaren, wat McLaren op hun beurt over Ferrari wist.

De Brit stelt verder dat Ferrari de informatie zeker heeft gebruikt, maar dat hij dat niet kan bewijzen. “Ik was op dat moment hun werknemer en weet dus met welke afstellingen ze reden tijdens testsessies en met welke hoeveelheid brandstof ze de races begonnen. We bespraken dingen als de technische verschillen tussen de Ferrari en de McLaren. McLaren heeft op hun beurt voordeel gehad van de informatie die zij in handen had, maar Ferrari had dat zeker ook. Dat had ze dus net zo goed WK-punten moeten kosten. Ik heb met een aantal mensen in het team over de informatie gesproken, maar ik kan dat niet bewijzen met e-mails of sms’jes,” aldus Stepney.

Mocht het verhaal van Stepney waar zijn dan roept dat de nodige vragen op. Ten eerste, en dat is misschien wel het belangrijkste, waarom komt hij pas nu met deze informatie naar buiten en bijvoorbeeld niet al tijdens de spionagezaak zelf? In de hoorzittingen van de World Motor Sport Council is dit namelijk niet behandeld. Daarnaast kun je je afvragen waarom Mike Coughlan op zijn beurt niets heeft gezegd dat hij ook technische informatie doorspeelde van McLaren naar Ferrari, als dat het geval was. Op deze manier had McLaren een sterk weerwoord op de beschuldigingen van de Italianen.

Als laatste is vreemd, ervan uitgaande dat de uitspraken van Stepney waar zijn, dat McLaren niet in beroep is gegaan tegen de uitspraak van de World Motor Sport Council en waarom zij bijvoorbeeld geen onderzoek heeft aangevraagd naar het team van Ferrari. De uitspraken van Stepney werpen dus wellicht een nieuw licht op de spionagezaak, maar roepen op dit moment eigenlijk alleen maar meer vragen op dan antwoorden. Wordt ongetwijfeld vervolgd.

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 13:11 schreef TJDoornbos het volgende:
Kunnen we geen Anti-FIArrari actie houden en hun ook uit het kampioenschap laten halen, en als we toch bezig zijn Renault die zelf toegeeft info te hebben ook??

Word het moe!!

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_{OCTOBER 2, 2007}
Montezemolo and Stepney comment (individually)

The Ferrari chairman Luca di Montezemolo is a highly intelligent individual and he knows that whatever he says will be slavishly reported because of who he is - and because of the newspapers he controls. But his recent attempts to undermine McLaren's success this year by claiming that the British team has copied the Ferrari are utterly unfair. There is not a shred of evidence that would stand up in a proper court that McLaren used any of the Ferrari information that ended up in the hands of McLaren's Mike Coughlan in April to design and develop the current car - which was designed eight months (and more) before Coughlan received anything from Ferrari's Nigel Stepney.

To claim otherwise is to knowingly distort reality. In a world of media sound bites and short attention spans perhaps this cynical ploy will work amongst the ill-informed but any race fan with half a brain should be able to see straight through such manipulation.

Montezemolo's latest ploy is to talk down Lewis Hamilton's likely World Championship.

The only thing about Montezemolo's remarks that are true is that "he will win it partly thanks to Ferrari". It is not because there is a lot of Ferrari in his car as Montezemolo went on to say, but rather because Ferrari threw away its chances this year with poor attention to detail, bad strategic decisions - notably the tyre decision in Mount Fuji - and because the team used less consistent drivers.

This sort of conduct is unbecoming. Being a good loser is the mark of a great team and sadly Ferrari cannot claim such status as long as it is coming out with such dross to justify its own failure. Ferrari is a great name and an impressive brand and one wants to see this being used for the good of the sport but the way it is currently be used is merely undermining the work of previous generations and of the great Enzo Ferrari himself.

In recent days we have received (unsolicited) communication from Nigel Stepney which raises a number of questions which have not been touched on in the scandal to date. Stepney says that he believes Ferrari have been let off surprisingly lightly by the FIA. He says that there is a point that everyone is missing because they are assuming that the flow of information to Mike Coughlan was a one-way flow and that Ferrari did not gain anything. There is no evidence at all that Stepney was being paid to pass on information and he says that it was rather more simple than that.

"I got information about when they [McLaren] were stopping," Stepney says. "I got weight distribution, I got other aspects of various parts of their car from him [Coughlan]. Ferrari got off very lightly. I was their employee at the time. I was aware of certain stuff they were doing at tests, fuel levels, for example. I knew what fuel level they were running. I think they should have been docked points personally. The question is: Did I use the information, did I talk about it?' That's the big question. I spoke to some people about it. I can't prove it, there are no e-mails or anything. Points about the fuel and the differences [between Ferrari and McLaren] were discussed inside. As well as McLaren having an advantage, did Ferrari have an advantage? I think so."

So is Stepney surprised that Ferrari got off entirely without penalty?

"Very surprised," he says. "It looks like information flowing only one way. No one has been balancing the argument. No one has asked the question. They were thinking Mike was asking the questions and I was answering them."

Stepney, one can argue, is a source that is seen to be somewhat tainted given all the allegations that have been made in Italy. But they are only allegations at the moment. Nothing has been proved in a proper court of law and until it is he has as much right to make his feelings known as Montezemolo.

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Fernando's car wrecked beyond repair.

Fernando Alonso will use a different McLaren chassis in China this weekend following his high speed crash during the Japanese grand prix last Sunday.

Not only were the reigning world champion's hopes of securing a third drivers' title severely dented at Fuji Speedway, but his Woking based team confirmed on Tuesday that the MP4-22 he crashed exiting turn five was too damaged to repair in Asia ahead of the penultimate race of 2007.

McLaren said a replacement chassis was despatched from England to Shanghai on the day of the crash.

"This chassis will become the spare, with Fernando using the spare chassis from Japan as his race car (in China)," the team confirmed in a statement.

Alonso's damaged car was sent back to Woking because the "significant" damage was "not reparable at the track", McLaren added.

"My retirement in Japan has not made it easy for me in the championship, but there are still 20 points to be won and I am going to fight hard for each one of them," Alonso commented.

He trails teammate Lewis Hamilton by 12 points.

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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 13:26 schreef Googolplexian het volgende:
interessant voor de manager:

Fernando's car wrecked beyond repair.
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Op woensdag 3 oktober 2007 19:30 schreef Treveo het volgende:
Waarom komt die Nigel Stepney hier nu pas mee?