Ik vraag mij idd af of ze ook andere onderhandelingstechnieken behalve dreigen hebben.quote:Op woensdag 19 juli 2017 23:43 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Lol, GB zal na het verlaten van Euratom moeten onderhandelen met de IAEA, denk niet dat ze met zulke bedekte dreigementen een goede indruk maken.
Wie zijn die "nuclear experts" trouwens? Met zo'n advies zou je denken dat ze op extra werkgelegenheid hopen. Zouden ze erbij verteld hebben dat het afval in z'n huidige vorm niet vervoerd kan/mag worden, en ze eerst miljarden zouden moeten spenderen aan een nieuwe verwerkingsfabriek? Hun MOX plant in Sellafield werd in 2011 gesloten wegens teveel problemen.
En dat allemaal omdat ze niet willen dat het ECJ ergens jurisdictie over heeft. Idioten...
Hah, ja, dat is dan wel weer grappigquote:
Prima toch? Wat is het tegenwoordig toch met mensen die geen geld willen verdienen?quote:
Londen is dan ook wel vrij groot uitgevallen, he?quote:Op donderdag 20 juli 2017 14:04 schreef Ulx het volgende:
De gemiddelde forens doet er in Londen een uur over om naar zijn werk te komen.
Dus ga je met de trein vanuit Den Haag/Leiden of Lelystad/Zwolle naar Amsterdam Zuid, ben je waarschijnlijk nog steeds sneller op je werk.
Klopt. Dus gemiddeld in een half uurtje op de zuid-as is positief vergeleken bij Londen.quote:
http://www.independent.co(...)states-a7851381.htmlquote:Brexit: UK citizens living in the EU face losing the right to move to another member state
EU makes threat unless Britain allows its nationals living in UK to stay - even if they move to another EU country temporarily
British people living in the EU face losing their automatic right to move to another member state after Brexit, as the exit talks turn increasingly sour.
It emerged that Brussels has threatened to, for example, make it harder for someone currently living in Germany from relocating to France or Italy, once Britain leaves the EU.
The EU said its stance would not change unless Britain agreed to allow its nationals living in Britain to move to another EU country and then return to the UK.
Under the Government’s plans, the 3m EU citizens in the UK will be stripped of their right to return if they leave “for more than two years, unless they have strong ties here”.
EU officials said they would be pushing to resolve the fresh disagreement when the negotiations resume in August and then September.
“We would start from the assumption that, in order to maintain the right of EU citizens to move around the EU27, this would require the UK to reciprocate by allowing EU citizens to continue to move around freely,” one said.
https://www.theguardian.c(...)rnier-davis-brusselsquote:The Guardian: The politics sketch:
Fail to prepare, prepare to gloriously succeed in Brexit negotiations
More than half an hour later than planned, Michel Barnier and David Davis walked into the lecture theatre to give their joint press conference to mark the end of the latest round of Brexit negotiations in Brussels.
The extra time didn’t appear to have been put to any noticeable useful effect. The handshakes were no more than polite and neither man made much effort to look the other in the eye. The entente appeared not that cordiale.
“Thank you for your patience,” Barnier said, by way of an apology to the reporters who had been kept waiting, “which is a critical virtue in any negotiation.”
“Particularly for us,” Davis interrupted, never one to pass up an opportunity to speak for Little Britain on a global stage.
Barnier ignored him. His patience had long since been tested to breaking point. Davis hadn’t had to sit through four days in which almost nothing had happened. All the Brexit minister had done was to turn up for the first hour of talks, while he had had to sit through every pointless minute. This was his moment of revenge. A time to set the record straight.
“I said last week that I wanted to identify the points where we agree and the points where we disagree,” the EU’s negotiator continued. “This was possible this week for the issues on which there was a clear British position.” A half-smile crossed his face. This was his little joke. Because it soon became clear there were almost no issues on which he thought Britain had a clear position.
Still, he was a fair man and it was best to start with the positives. Such as they were. Britain had at least set out a few guidelines on the rights of EU citizens, though none that were in any way acceptable. There were “fundamental divergences”, especially in relation to the European court of justice. As for the financial settlement and Ireland, the situation was just a mess.
“A clarification of the UK position is essential, if we are to have any progress,” Barnier said. “As soon as the UK is ready to clarify its position, we will be prepared to have these discussions. This week’s negotiations have shown we make better progress when our respective positions are clear.” In other words, next time you come, do at least make an effort to have done a bit of homework beforehand because I could do without having my time wasted.
Barnier had spoken half in English and half in French and Davis had spent most of the time staring at the floor with his finger in his ear. Most observers had initially assumed this was because he was struggling to follow the simultaneous translation, but it soon became clear it was because he had been making a point of not listening to a word that had been said.
“Overall, I am encouraged by the progress we have made,” Davis began. Barnier appeared genuinely astonished by this. Either his opposite number hadn’t been paying attention or his advisers had been deliberately misinforming him.
Davis blundered on. “We have conducted this round constructively and at pace, and I hope this is a model we can continue going forward,” he said. At pace as in snail’s pace. “I came here saying that it was important that we now made progress. And this week, I think we have done just that.”
This wasn’t just news to Barnier. It was also news to everyone else in the room and the media were understandably sceptical. Just then, Barnier felt compassion for his adversary. While it was clear that Davis wasn’t the brightest of operators, almost anyone would have struggled to play such a poor hand. It was like this, Barnier explained kindly: there had been progress made in as much as the talks hadn’t gone backwards. Given time, Britain might even just begin to appreciate how much more tricky it was all going to get.
As Barnier became increasingly expansive, Davis got grumpier and more curt. By the end he was reduced to a few monosyllables. It wasn’t fair to say he didn’t have a plan and was unprepared. The plan was to be unprepared. If he didn’t know what he was doing, then how could the oppo? It was that kind of thinking that would make Britain great again.
That did it for Barnier and he stopped the press conference before Davis could embarrass himself further. Time for lunch. The clock was ticking.
Is dat de reden waarom de Britten nog steeds geen concrete voorstellen hebben? Waren ze van plan te onderhandelen op basis van wat de EU onderhandelaars bereid waren toe te geven, maar heeft GCHQ die informatie nog niet kunnen bemachtigen? Als de EU onderhandelaars dat vermoeden (er zijn aanwijzingen dat de VS het bij eerdere onderhandelingen deed, en GCHQ werkt nauw samen met de NSA), dan zal het gedrag van het Britse team die achterdocht enkel versterken.quote:On Wednesday, European Commission sources also confirmed that its Brexit team's offices are protected by fingerprint scanners, tighter security measures than those deployed at any other department, which are accessible for staff with approved passes.
According to the Telegraph, the ramping up of security comes amid fears of British spying in Brussels, which is believed to be an espionage hotspot, with the EU, its 28 member states and Nato all having a significant presence in the Belgian capital.
Ze kunnen geen plan overeenkomen, 3 facties die niet willen toegeven aan elkaar en maar vooral niet aan elkaar willen toegeven.quote:Op donderdag 20 juli 2017 19:37 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Is dat de reden waarom de Britten nog steeds geen concrete voorstellen hebben? Waren ze van plan te onderhandelen op basis van wat de EU onderhandelaars bereid waren toe te geven, maar heeft GCHQ die informatie nog niet kunnen bemachtigen? Als de EU onderhandelaars dat vermoeden (er zijn aanwijzingen dat de VS het bij eerdere onderhandelingen deed, en GCHQ werkt nauw samen met de NSA), dan zal het gedrag van het Britse team die achterdocht enkel versterken.
quote:Theresa May set for three-week hiking trip to Italy and Switzerland
Theresa May is planning to take three weeks of holiday in northern Italy and Switzerland this summer, without naming a cabinet minister to be in charge during her lengthy absence from No 10.
The prime minister will travel to Italy on Monday for about five days, before returning for the weekend and then attending the centenary commemorations of the first world war battle of Passchendaele in Brussels.
She will then resume her holiday by taking a walking break in the Swiss Alps for another fortnight.
The prime minister is expected to travel to and from Italy and Switzerland on commercial flights.
Downing Street refused to say who would be the senior cabinet minister in charge in the UK, saying there would be a rota of figures on call but stressing that May would remain the boss even while out of the country.
http://www.independent.co(...)lation-a7851761.htmlquote:Brexit: EU won't sign trade deal if UK starts deregulation race to the bottom, Brussels warns
The EU will refuse to approve a trade deal with Britain if the UK uses Brexit as an excuse to downgrade workers' rights or deregulate its economy, the European Commission’s chief negotiator has warned.
Michel Barnier said any move to water down environmental and social protections would be seen by other EU countries as "unfair competition" and would mark the end of talks.
After toughening his stance by flagging more obstacles in the way of a deal, Brussels’ top negotiator also warned that some UK government ministers did not understand quite how bad a "no deal" situation with the EU would be – urging other politicians who understood the consequences to convince those at the top.
Mr Barnier said today that the British Government was still failing to provide sufficient “convergence” on either the UK’s exit bill or the future rights of citizens, while Brussels sources say the Commission is frustrated that the UK is refusing to engage at all on the issue of Britain settling its Brexit divorce bill.
Despite having little to show for the talks British ministers struck a far more positive tone, with David Davis today telling journalists that he believed the two sides had come to better understand one another’s positions. International Trade Secretary Liam Fox also this morning stepped up the hubris, telling the BBC that "the free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history".
Downing Street has said Theresa May “stands ready” to turn Britain into a deregulated offshore tax haven after Brexit if there is no deal in Article 50 negotiations, a position also backed by her Chancellor Philip Hammond.
The pair are under pressure from their own party to take this position, as some right-wing Conservatives believe that the UK could find a new competitive edge after Brexit by scrapping workers' rights and environmental legislation.
Environment Secretary Michael Gove has said Britain could ditch parts of the EU's habitats' directive to make it easier to build on protected heathland, while backbencher Jacob Rees-Mogg has said the UK could go "a long way" to cutting standards after it leaves the EU.
http://news.sky.com/story(...)al-deadline-10955574quote:International Trade Secretary Liam Fox has told Sky News that he "doesn't have a problem" with a Brexit implementation period.
Dr Fox, who has previously suggested a transition deal should last months and not years, said an implementation period of "a couple of years" might be "common sense".
This is because, according to Dr Fox, there was now "some uncertainty" as to whether Brexit Secretary David Davis will be able to conclude a trade deal with the EU by March 2019.
Speaking to me at the World Trade Organisation headquarters in Geneva, he said: "There's been a lot of talk as you know about an implementation period in the UK.
"I don't have a problem with that ... Having waited 43 years - another couple of years is, if we can get it to work well for UK and our European partners and for the stability of British business and our prosperity, that seems to me a common sense thing to do".
http://news.sky.com/story(...)es-grounded-10955596quote:US airlines warn no EU deal on flights could mean planes grounded
America's leading airlines are warning that flights could be grounded if the UK leaves the EU's Open Skies agreement without negotiating a new deal. Nicholas Calio, president and chief executive of Airlines for America, told Sky News' Ian King Live programme: "Without that legal framework, we can't fly."
Some 85% of flights leaving the UK go to places covered by treaties negotiated by the European Union. That includes all of the EU member states as well as other European countries, the United States, Canada, and parts of the Middle East.
Mr Calio, whose members transport more than 90% of all US airline passenger and cargo traffic, has met the Transport Secretary Chris Grayling as Airlines for America lobbies the Government to separate aviation from other issues being discussed with Brussels.
"Right now the EU is committed to making it one big negotiation, I think that's the stance that Great Britain has taken as well", he said. "We don't believe we can afford to be part of one great big pot that needs to be stirred over the next 20 months."
https://www.bloomberg.com(...)ing-up-is-never-easyquote:Peter Mandelson, who served as EU commissioner for trade between 2004 and 2008, said the notion that a comprehensive Brexit deal can be reached by the March 2019 deadline is like living in “cloud cuckoo land” and predicted that the May administration will get a wake-up call in six to ninth months.
“The problem with the British government is they tend to approach Europe both with a lack of realism of what’s possible but also a tremendous sense of entitlement that what Britain wants it can get,” said Mandelson, founder and chairman of Global Counsel, on Bloomberg Television.
Die hoeven we dus ook nooit meer serieus te nemen.quote:Op zaterdag 1 juli 2017 10:39 schreef agter het volgende:
Baudet: "How Britain boomed after Brexit! "
"Sinds #brexit: economie VK snelst groeiende vd G7, buitenlandse investeringen stijgen, consumentenvertrouwen omhoog, werkloosheid omlaag."
Hij wil ook een deal met Duitsland en Polen, ondanks dat Merkel al vaak getracht heeft uit te leggen dat de VS dan met de EU moet onderhandelen en niet met een lidstaat.quote:Op zaterdag 8 juli 2017 23:27 schreef Old_Pal het volgende:
Hamburg G20: Donald Trump expects trade deal with UK 'very quickly'
May heeft haar land dus verkocht aan Trump. Good luck.
Pijnlijk raak ja. Dank voor de linkquote:Op dinsdag 11 juli 2017 07:34 schreef Linus_van_Pelt het volgende:
Het is niet ideaal omdat deze meneer een lang verhaal heeft en Twitter gebruikt. Maar het is wel pijnlijk raak. Klik voor het draadje.
Hij laat stap voor stap zien dat het VK veel van de EU-dingen die ze tegenstaan er zelf hebben doorgedrukt in de afgelopen decennia.
Vooral niet omdat Brexit pas over 19 maanden of zo zal plaatsvinden.quote:
Onder bommenwerpers hangen en boven Brussel loslaten.quote:
Alsof de EU landen geen gevechtsvliegtuigen hebbenquote:
Iets minder, ja. Wat hij voorstelt is overigens niet kinderachtig maar een dirty bomb met nucleaire lading, maar goed, die gast spoort niet.quote: