FOK!forum / Politiek / [AMV] Presidentschap van Trump #238
Whiskers2009donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:07
President
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Donald Trump - 250px-Flag_of_New_York.svg.png New York

Vice President
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Mike Pence - 250px-Flag_of_Indiana.svg.png Indiana

Rex Tillerson - Secretary of State
Mike Pompeo - CIA Director
Andrew Puzder - Secretary of Labor
Scott Pruitt - EPA Administrator
General Jim 'Mad Dog' Mattis - Secretary of Defense
Nikki Haley - US Ambassador to the UN
Michael T. Flynn - National Security Adviser
Ben Carson - Secretary of Housing & Urban Development
Betsy DeVos - Secretary of Education
Stephen Bannon - Chief Strategist
Wilbur Ross - Secretary of Commerce
Reince Priebus - Chief of Staff
Jeff Sessions - Attorney General

Cabinet of Donald Trump
Presidential transition of Donald Trump
Timeline of the presidency of Donald Trump

Hoogtepunten tot nu toe:

20 Januari: Inauguratie van Trump. Een megapixel-foto van dit gebeuren is hier te vinden. In zijn speech was zijn thema 'America First'. De elite van Washington moet het ontgelden, alle macht moet over naar... the peeoo-ple. Volledige transcriptie van de speech is hier te vinden.

21 Januari: In Sean Spicers (persvoorlichter) eerste persconferentie haalt hij namens Trump fel uit naar de media, die berichtten over onjuiste toeschouwersaantallen. Het optreden verbijstert de daar aanwezige pers, aangezien foto's duidelijk aangeven dat er minder toeschouwers waren dan 2009 Obama 2009 Later introduceerde Kellyanne Connoway (campagnemanager) een nieuwe term, namelijk Alternative Facts.
WoordenShuffelaardonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:09


[ Bericht 100% gewijzigd door Euribob op 26-01-2017 12:15:47 (Geen reddit-onzin hier) ]
antiderivativedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:12
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nieuwe benoemingen (vandaag staat immers het thema 'security' centraal):

National Security Adviser for the Vice President and Deputy Assistant to POTUS:
Andrea Thompson
* Colonel Us Army
* Fmr. Commander Military intelligence task force
* Fmr. ISAF Chief of Staff
* ROTC from University of South Dakota, Master’s in National Security and Strategic Studies from the National War College

eerder waren er al:
Senior National Security Council official for strategy: Dave Horan
Senior Director of African Affairs at the National Security Council: Robin Townley
Senior Director of Asian Affairs at the National Security Council: Matt Pottinger

ook die 3 zijn allemaal officieren/voormalig officieren. Horan heeft op vrijwel iedere positie gezeten, van de US Central Command tot de NATO. Townley en Pottinger zijn voormalig 'intelligence officials' en hebben hun 'excursies' op die continenten gedaan.

Townley is overigens ook betrokken bij het Doc-to-Dock project. Deze posities hebben uiteraard geen sen. approval nodig.
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Secretary of the Navy
Philip Bilden
* Executive at HarbourVest Partners Asia
* Board member of the United States Naval Academy Foundation
* Fmr. Captain at Strategic Military Intelligence Detachments for the Defense Intelligence Agency.
* Fmr. Military Intelligence officer
* ROTC from Georgetown University, B.Sc. in International Politics and Soviet bloc studies from Georgetown University, MBA from Harvard Business School

andere namen die eerder op de lijst stonden:
* Randy Forbes (Rep. for Virginia, member of the House Armed Services Committee, Fmr. Chair of the Seapower and Projection Forces Subcommittee)
* Duncan Hunter (Rep. for California, member of the House Armed Services Committee, Fmr. Major in the Marine Corps)

Deputy assistant to the president for international economic affairs:
Kenneth Juster
* Partner, MD at Warburg Pincus Private Equity, in geopolitical risk, global public policy, and regulatory matters
* Chairman of the Advisory Committee of Weatherhead Center for International Affairs at Harvard
* Chairman of Freedom House
* Vice Chairman of the Asia Foundation
* Member of the Trilateral Commission
* Member of the Council on Foreign Relations
* Member of the American Academy of Diplomacy.
* Fmr. Undersecretary of commerce
* Fmr Counselor of Department of State
* B.A in in government from Harvard College, M.A in public policy from Harvard, J.D. from Harvard Law School

Acting Chair of the Federal Trade Commission: Maureen Ohlhausen
Acting Chair of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission: Victoria Lipnic
Acting Chair of the National Labor Relations Board: Philip Miscimarra

White House Legal Team:
To serve under White House Counsel Donald McGahn:

Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy Counsel to the President: Stefan Passantino
Special Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel to the President: Uttam Dhillon
Special Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel to the President: Scott Gast
Special Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel to the President: James Schultz

de Sec. of the Navy heeft natuurlijk Senate approval nodig.
crystal_methdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:16
The White House Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release January 25, 2017
https://www.whitehouse.go(...)t-trumps-bold-action
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Praise For President Trump's Bold Action

The President Is “Coming Out As A Winner On Many Issues…” – The Atlantic

ABC News’ Jonathan Karl: “Incredible Pace Of Activity In The Trump White House On Week One…” Karl Tweet: “Incredible pace of activity in the Trump White House on week one - when have we seen a public WH sked packed as yesterday's & today's?” (Twitter.com, 1/24/17)

Fox News’ Sean Hannity: “I Don't Think I've Ever Seen So Much Happen In Such A Short Period Of Time.” (Fox News’ “Hannity,” 1/24/17)

Chicago Tribune Editorial Board: “Trump Could Have Chosen Any Topic To Get His Presidency Rolling. He Picked Jobs. Good.” (Editorial, “What Trump Got Right On Day 1: The Jobs Agenda,” Chicago Tribune, 1/23/17)

Chicago Tribune Headline: “What Trump Got Right On Day 1: The Jobs Agenda” (Chicago Tribune, 1/23/17)

The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board: “President Trump Is Making Short Work Of Campaign Promises…” “President Trump is making short work of campaign promises, and on Tuesday he signed executive orders reviving the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.” (Editorial, “No More Keystone Capers,” The Wall Street Journal, 1/24/17)

USA Today Editorial Board: Trump “Came Down On The Right Side Of The Debate… By Advancing Construction Of The Keystone XL And Dakota Access Pipelines.” “President Trump, following through on a campaign promise, came down on the right side of the debate Tuesday by advancing construction of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines, both of which had been blocked by the Obama administration.” (Editorial, “Trump Revives Pipeline Projects,” USA Today, 1/24/17)

The Atlantic: Trump’s “Coming Out As A Winner On Many Issues.” “But what if the Trump presidency is actually off to a surprisingly effective start? … The result, paradoxically, is that he’s coming out as a winner on many issues.” (David A. Graham, “Is Trump's Presidency Off To A Successful Start?,” The Atlantic, 1/24/17)

Detroit News Headline: “Mich. Could Benefit In Trump Infrastructure Order” (Detroit News, 1/25/17)

Rasmussen Reports: “57% Of Likely U.S. Voters Approve Of President Trump’s Job Performance…” “The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.” (“Daily Presidential Tracking Poll,” Rasmussen Reports, 1/24/17)

Reuters: “A Slew Of Donald Trump's Picks Won Approval By The Senate Committees Overseeing Their Official Nominations…” “A slew of Donald Trump's picks won approval by the Senate committees overseeing their official nominations, suggesting that they will face little resistance to approval by the full Senate.” (“US Senate Panels Approve Carson, Ross, Chao, Haley,” Reuters, 1/24/17)

Washington Examiner: “A Majority Of Americans Who Listened To President Trump's Inaugural Address Gave The 16-Minute Speech A Positive Review…” “A majority of Americans who listened to President Trump's inaugural address gave the 16-minute speech a positive review, according to a new poll by Gallup.” (Gabby Morrongiello, “Poll: Trump's Inaugural Speech Gets A Thumbs Up,” Washington Examiner, 1/23/17)

The Daily Signal On Pipeline Executive Orders: “A Win For The Economy And The Environment.” “In a win for the economy and the environment, President Donald Trump signed executive orders backing the construction of two unnecessarily controversial energy infrastructure projects: the Keystone XL pipeline and the Dakota Access pipeline.” (Nicolas Loris, “Trump’s Pipeline Approvals Are A Win For The Economy And Environment,” The Daily Signal, 1/25/17)

Sen. Ted Cruz: “I Could Not Be More Encouraged… The Cabinet Appointments Have Been Phenomenal.” HANNITY: “How do you feel about the agenda and the first few days so far?” CRUZ: “I could not be more encouraged. We are five days into it, but the cabinet appointments have been phenomenal.” (Fox News’ “Hannity,” 1/24/17)
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KoosVogelsdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:29
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The White House Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release January 25, 2017
https://www.whitehouse.go(...)t-trumps-bold-action

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Wat de fuck is dit nou weer? :')
Whiskers2009donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:38
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Wat de fuck is dit nou weer? :')
Narcisme in actie :s)
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:41
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Wat de fuck is dit nou weer? :')
Oh, het word nog beter:

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Donald Trump has used his first TV interview as president to say he believes torture “absolutely” works and that the US should “fight fire with fire.”

Speaking to ABC News, Trump said he would defer to the defence secretary, James Mattis, and CIA director, Mike Pompeo, to determine what can and cannot be done legally to combat the spread of terrorism.
But asked about the efficacy of tactics such as waterboarding, Trump said: “absolutely I feel it works.”

https://www.theguardian.c(...)television-interview
Wat zouden we toch doen zonder experts zoals Trump, he?
crystal_methdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:43
Executive Order: Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States
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To better inform the public regarding the public safety threats associated with sanctuary jurisdictions, the Secretary shall utilize the Declined Detainer Outcome Report or its equivalent and, on a weekly basis, make public a comprehensive list of criminal actions committed by aliens and any jurisdiction that ignored or otherwise failed to honor any detainers with respect to such aliens.

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Sec. 13. Office for Victims of Crimes Committed by Removable Aliens. The Secretary shall direct the Director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to take all appropriate and lawful action to establish within U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement an office to provide proactive, timely, adequate, and professional services to victims of crimes committed by removable aliens and the family members of such victims. This office shall provide quarterly reports studying the effects of the victimization by criminal aliens present in the United States.

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KoosVogelsdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:44
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Trump’s flashy executive actions could run aground

President Donald Trump’s team made little effort to consult with federal agency lawyers or lawmakers as they churned out executive actions this week, stoking fears the White House is creating the appearance of real momentum with flawed orders that might be unworkable, unenforceable or even illegal.
The Donald juicht dus misschien te vroeg.
Mikedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:49
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10s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 11:16 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
The White House Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release January 25, 2017
https://www.whitehouse.go(...)t-trumps-bold-action

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Hannity ook noemen...die zat gewoon in z'n campagneteam. _O-
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:52
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The Donald juicht dus misschien te vroeg.
Er is geen geld in de huidige situatue voor een muur, het huidige hek wat onder Obama begonnen is heeft 2,9 miljard dollar nodig om het af te maken wat het RNC congress niet wilde ophoesten.

Maar nu gaan ze wel 40 miljard ophoesten voor een muur, Uiteraard.
DrDentzdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:53

"I can be the most presidential person ever, other than possibly the great Abe Lincoln, all right?"
Whiskers2009donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:56
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Whut? Owh wacht, illegalen bedoelen ze. Alsnog een whut?! waard trouwens.

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KoosVogelsdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 11:57
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Er is geen geld in de huidige situatue voor een muur, het huidige hek wat onder Obama begonnen is heeft 2,9 miljard dollar nodig om het af te maken wat het RNC congress niet wilde ophoesten.

Maar nu gaan ze wel 40 miljard ophoesten voor een muur, Uiteraard.
Een land als de VS kan natuurlijk altijd ergens geld vandaan halen. Of dat verstandig is, is een tweede.
Knipoogjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:00
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Interessant. Zo stuur je de perceptie van het publiek door continue elke misstap van illegalen breeduit de media in te slingeren. Gebeurt hier eigenlijk ook met de ophef over alle dingetjes die spelen in asielzoekerscentra. Tot je de statistieken er bij pakt en blijkt dat het allemaal binnen normale bandbreedte vallen.

Maar goed, statistieken, feiten enzo. Niet besteed aan het huidige team.

Volgens mij bleek uit onderzoek in de VS al dat illegalen minder crimineel zijn dan autochtonen in achterstandswijken. :')
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:10
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Een land als de VS kan natuurlijk altijd ergens geld vandaan halen. Of dat verstandig is, is een tweede.
Ja, dat heet lenen ;)
Ludachristdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:13
Trump maakt het wel lastig om de Godwins te vermijden, hoor. Elke week een lijst publiek maken met misdaden die buitenlanders hebben begaan? Wat een gast :') .
antiderivativedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:14
In artikelen over Trump's ontmoeting met Martin Luther King Jr. staat overigens iets over voter participation, heb ik destijds even gemist. Een vorm van free government ID:

King III has campaigned for years to establish a form of free government photo identification that could make it easier for Americans who lack a driver’s license or other official ID to cast ballots. He and the other attendees, including the Rev. James A. Forbes, have urged Trump to endorse the idea of making such identification free.

According to one of the meeting’s participants, who asked for anonymity to discuss a private conversation, Trump expressed a serious interest in making photos available on Social Security cards and said he would study the issue in further detail.

Several prominent Democrats, including former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, have endorsed the idea. But some — such as John Lewis — have argued that it might leave Americans more vulnerable to data theft. And libertarians, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), also oppose a universal government ID.


https://www.washingtonpos(...)scuss-voting-rights/

Die tegenstanders ook weer, inclusief die heilige John Lewis.. zucht
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:16
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In artikelen over Trump's ontmoeting met Martin Luther King Jr. staat overigens iets over voter participation, heb ik destijds even gemist. Een vorm van free government ID:

King III has campaigned for years to establish a form of free government photo identification that could make it easier for Americans who lack a driver’s license or other official ID to cast ballots. He and the other attendees, including the Rev. James A. Forbes, have urged Trump to endorse the idea of making such identification free.

According to one of the meeting’s participants, who asked for anonymity to discuss a private conversation, Trump expressed a serious interest in making photos available on Social Security cards and said he would study the issue in further detail.

Several prominent Democrats, including former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, have endorsed the idea. But some — such as John Lewis — have argued that it might leave Americans more vulnerable to data theft. And libertarians, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), also oppose a universal government ID.


https://www.washingtonpos(...)scuss-voting-rights/

Die tegenstanders ook weer, inclusief die heilige John Lewis.. zucht
En Rand Paul, de heilige libertarier. Dus doe nou eens niet zo triest.
DrDentzdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:16
Torture works!

Zou je ook het bestaan van heksen kunnen bewijzen door marteling - hoeveel vrouwen toegeven heks te zijn onder marteling?
Ludachristdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:18
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Die tegenstanders ook weer, inclusief die heilige John Lewis.. zucht
Je wordt een beetje doorzichtig.
antiderivativedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:19
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En Rand Paul, de heilige libertarier. Dus doe nou eens niet zo triest.
Paul is een libertarier, dus vrijwel alles met overheid is ideologisch een no-go

Lewis is een Democrat en voorvechter van gelijke rechten maar komt met het argument van 'data theft' :') _O-
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:24
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Paul is een libertarier, dus vrijwel alles met overheid is ideologisch een no-go

Lewis is een Democrat en voorvechter van gelijke rechten maar komt met het argument van 'data theft' :') _O-
Data en identity theft is een veel groter problem in de VS dan hier. Het toont weer eens aan hoe weinig jij weet van de situatie in de VS.

Ter lering ende vermaeck, identity theft was verantwoordelijk voor 24 miljard dollar schade, bijna het dubbele van normale diefstal en materieele criminaliteit in de VS, geraamd op 14 miljard dollar.
antiderivativedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:25
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Secretary of the Navy
Philip Bilden
* Executive at HarbourVest Partners Asia
* Board member of the United States Naval Academy Foundation
* Fmr. Captain at Strategic Military Intelligence Detachments for the Defense Intelligence Agency.
* Fmr. Military Intelligence officer
* ROTC from Georgetown University, B.Sc. in International Politics and Soviet bloc studies from Georgetown University, MBA from Harvard Business School

andere namen die eerder op de lijst stonden:
* Randy Forbes (Rep. for Virginia, member of the House Armed Services Committee, Fmr. Chair of the Seapower and Projection Forces Subcommittee)
* Duncan Hunter (Rep. for California, member of the House Armed Services Committee, Fmr. Major in the Marine Corps)

Deputy assistant to the president for international economic affairs:
Kenneth Juster
* Partner, MD at Warburg Pincus Private Equity, in geopolitical risk, global public policy, and regulatory matters
* Chairman of the Advisory Committee of Weatherhead Center for International Affairs at Harvard
* Chairman of Freedom House
* Vice Chairman of the Asia Foundation
* Member of the Trilateral Commission
* Member of the Council on Foreign Relations
* Member of the American Academy of Diplomacy.
* Fmr. Undersecretary of commerce
* Fmr Counselor of Department of State
* B.A in in government from Harvard College, M.A in public policy from Harvard, J.D. from Harvard Law School

Acting Chair of the Federal Trade Commission: Maureen Ohlhausen
Acting Chair of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission: Victoria Lipnic
Acting Chair of the National Labor Relations Board: Philip Miscimarra

White House Legal Team:
To serve under White House Counsel Donald McGahn:

Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy Counsel to the President: Stefan Passantino
Special Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel to the President: Uttam Dhillon
Special Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel to the President: Scott Gast
Special Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel to the President: James Schultz

de Sec. of the Navy heeft natuurlijk Senate approval nodig.
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Senior Director of Western Hemisphere Affairs at the National Security Council: Craig Deare
Senior Director of Middle East Affairs at the National Security Council: Derek Harvey
Senior Director of Non-proliferation and nuclear issues at the National Security Council: Christopher Ford
Senior Member of the Strategic Initiatives Group at the National Security Council: Victoria Coates
Ludachristdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:25
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Paul is een libertarier, dus vrijwel alles met overheid is ideologisch een no-go

Lewis is een Democrat en voorvechter van gelijke rechten maar komt met het argument van 'data theft' :') _O-
Dus als je een democraat en voor gelijke rechten bent mag je niet meer kritisch nadenken over bepaalde voorstellen, volgens jou?
Whiskers2009donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:26
Samsonite overweegt productie te verplaatsen naar de VS:
http://www.nu.nl/economie(...)-verplaatsen-vs.html
antiderivativedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:29
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Data en identity theft is een veel groter problem in de VS dan hier. Het toont weer eens aan hoe weinig jij weet van de situatie in de VS.

Ter lering ende vermaeck, identity theft was verantwoordelijk voor 24 miljard dollar schade, bijna het dubbele van normale diefstal en materieele criminaliteit in de VS, geraamd op 14 miljard dollar.
Data theft mag dan wel een probleem zijn (waar is dat niet een probleem), het is nog altijd geen reden om dan maar niets te doen als het gaat om voter participation. Of is Lewis ook voorstander van het afschaffen van de huidige situatie waarin mensen wél een ID gebruiken? Safety first!, kom op man..
Ludachristdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:31
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Data theft mag dan wel een probleem zijn (waar is dat niet een probleem), het is nog altijd geen reden om dan maar niets te doen als het gaat om voter participation. Of is Lewis ook voorstander van het afschaffen van de huidige situatie waarin mensen wél een ID gebruiken? Safety first!, kom op man..
Stroman, want dit is natuurlijk niet de enige oplossing voor dit probleem. Nu doe je net alsof iedereen die tegen dit plan is de huidige situatie wel prima vindt. Onzin natuurlijk.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:32
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Data theft mag dan wel een probleem zijn (waar is dat niet een probleem), het is nog altijd geen reden om dan maar niets te doen als het gaat om voter participation. Of is Lewis ook voorstander van het afschaffen van de huidige situatie waarin mensen wél een ID gebruiken? Safety first!, kom op man..
Voter participation is niet het probleem hier, voter obstruction is het probleem en dat komt 100% van de RNC.
Ludachristdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:52
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 12:04:24 Ungrateful TRAITOR Chelsea Manning, who should never have been released from prison, is now calling President Obama a weak leader. Terrible! reageer retweet
Een mooi inkijkje in de denkwereld van Trump: als je iemand iets geeft mag die geen enkele kritiek meer op je hebben, want dat is ondankbaar en terrible.
KoosVogelsdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:56
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realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 12:04:24 Ungrateful TRAITOR Chelsea Manning, who should never have been released from prison, is now calling President Obama a weak leader. Terrible! reageer retweet
Een mooi inkijkje in de denkwereld van Trump: als je iemand iets geeft mag die geen enkele kritiek meer op je hebben, want dat is ondankbaar en terrible.
Ik kan nog altijd niet wennen aan de toon in zijn tweets. Die man is goddomme president van de VS.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:56
Wel een twist dat hij kennelijk zelf Obama niet meer weak vindt?
Monolithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:57
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In artikelen over Trump's ontmoeting met Martin Luther King Jr. staat overigens iets over voter participation, heb ik destijds even gemist. Een vorm van free government ID:

King III has campaigned for years to establish a form of free government photo identification that could make it easier for Americans who lack a driver’s license or other official ID to cast ballots. He and the other attendees, including the Rev. James A. Forbes, have urged Trump to endorse the idea of making such identification free.

According to one of the meeting’s participants, who asked for anonymity to discuss a private conversation, Trump expressed a serious interest in making photos available on Social Security cards and said he would study the issue in further detail.

Several prominent Democrats, including former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, have endorsed the idea. But some — such as John Lewis — have argued that it might leave Americans more vulnerable to data theft. And libertarians, such as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), also oppose a universal government ID.


https://www.washingtonpos(...)scuss-voting-rights/

Die tegenstanders ook weer, inclusief die heilige John Lewis.. zucht
Dit is natuurlijk wel een issue:

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“My reservation is practical: no state has succeeded in providing free and accessible IDs to those without them, even when they have tried,” Weiser said. “Our system is not set up well for that.”
Het klinkt heel mooi, maar de invoering ervan kan nog wel eens leiden tot situaties als van voor de civil rights era. Als op papier de 'gratis foto ID voor iedereen' bestaat, biedt dat vrij baan voor een berg aan nieuwe voter ID laws. Als die IDs dan ook op een fatsoenlijke manier aan te vragen zijn, dan is dat niet zo'n probleem. Wat je vaak ziet in de VS is dat de plekken waar dit soort zaken geregeld kunnen worden in sommige gebieden enkel op onmogelijke tijdstippen open zijn, de dichtsbijzijnde locatie voor sommigen wel een dag reizen ver is, enzovoort. In dergelijke situaties komt het dus in de praktijk eerder aan op voter surpression.
Redonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 12:57
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9s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 12:52 schreef Ludachrist het volgende:
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 12:04:24 Ungrateful TRAITOR Chelsea Manning, who should never have been released from prison, is now calling President Obama a weak leader. Terrible! reageer retweet
Een mooi inkijkje in de denkwereld van Trump: als je iemand iets geeft mag die geen enkele kritiek meer op je hebben, want dat is ondankbaar en terrible.
gelukkig heeft hij zelf Obama nooit uitgemaakt voor de slechtste president ooit, dit indirect zegt hij nu eigenlijk dat Obama best een sterke president was
KoosVogelsdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:04
Overigens zegt die Manning best zinnige dingen in haar interview met The Guardian (daar reageert Trump op).
#ANONIEMdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:05
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Ik kan nog altijd niet wennen aan de toon in zijn tweets. Die man is goddomme president van de VS.
Daily show gaf 2 dagen geleden wel de juiste toon aan in hoe je zijn tweets moet lezen

http://www.cc.com/video-c(...)ident-trump-s-tweets
Yiha3donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:08
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Daily show gaf 2 dagen geleden wel de juiste toon aan in hoe je zijn tweets moet lezen

http://www.cc.com/video-c(...)ident-trump-s-tweets
leuke lachband
#ANONIEMdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:11
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leuke lachband
Ah wat schattig :')

Grapjes over de oranje god zijn moeilijk te verteren?
Yiha3donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:12
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Ah wat schattig :')

Grapjes over de oranje god zijn moeilijk te verteren?
god? :')
#ANONIEMdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:14
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god? :')
Ja zo behandelen zijn fans hem inmiddels toch?

En maar klagen over de adoratie destijds voor Obama terwijl dat toch nog lang niet in de buurt komt van de huidige adoratie voor die oranje clown. Er zijn hier zelfs al elzies die pleiten voor door de overheid goedgekeurde nieuwsbronnen.

Maar goed ik merk al dat ik van jou niet echt een inhoudelijke reactie hoef te verwachten :')

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Euribobdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:15
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Ah wat schattig :')

Grapjes over de oranje god zijn moeilijk te verteren?
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god? :')
Staakt deze discussie maar weer heren, gaat hem niet worden.
Yiha3donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:17
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Staakt deze discussie maar weer heren, gaat hem niet worden.
geen probleem
Knipoogjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:18
Misschien dat het tijd wordt dat een filantroop als Bill Gates gewoon een paar miljard omzet in free voter registration Id. Desnoods met bussen die door het hele land rijden waar je je Id kan laten maken.
Ludachristdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:29
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Misschien dat het tijd wordt dat een filantroop als Bill Gates gewoon een paar miljard omzet in free voter registration Id. Desnoods met bussen die door het hele land rijden waar je je Id kan laten maken.
Onzin. Een fatsoenlijke overheid in een land dat democratie serieus neemt moet dit gewoon zelf regelen. Daar zou de aandacht ook moeten liggen, niet op de hoop van een bailout door de een of andere particulier.
Monolithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:46
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Staakt deze discussie maar weer heren, gaat hem niet worden.
Voor een discussie is het überhaupt wel handig als mensen meer dan twee woorden per post gebruiken.
Puddingtondonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:46
Goed artikel van de times, over de executive orders die Trump ondertekend heeft en hoeveel macht hij heeft om ze daadwerkelijk uit te voeren: https://www.nytimes.com/2(...)fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Euribobdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:47
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Voor een discussie is het überhaupt wel handig als mensen meer dan twee woorden per post gebruiken.
Dat klopt.
Linus_van_Peltdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:56
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Goed artikel van de times, over de executive orders die Trump ondertekend heeft en hoeveel macht hij heeft om ze daadwerkelijk uit te voeren: https://www.nytimes.com/2(...)fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Ik ben wel benieuwd hoe het congres, met name de republikeinen, omgaat met Trump en zijn plannen. Er is natuurlijk al wat langer onrust onder de bevolking omdat congresleden meer bezig zijn met partijpolitiek, lobbygroepen en hun zetel behouden, dan met het land besturen. En als Trump 'doet wat het volk wil', kan je al vrij snel de grote boeman worden als je als congres alle plannen blokkeert.
Puddingtondonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:59
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Ik ben wel benieuwd hoe het congres, met name de republikeinen, omgaat met Trump en zijn plannen. Er is natuurlijk al wat langer onrust onder de bevolking omdat congresleden meer bezig zijn met partijpolitiek, lobbygroepen en hun zetel behouden, dan met het land besturen. En als Trump 'doet wat het volk wil', kan je al vrij snel de grote boeman worden als je als congres alle plannen blokkeert.
Dan moet er wel heel veel animo zijn onder de bevolking om die muur te bouwen. En ik denk dat dat nog wel meevalt.
bluemoon23donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 13:59
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Trump maakt het wel lastig om de Godwins te vermijden, hoor. Elke week een lijst publiek maken met misdaden die buitenlanders hebben begaan? Wat een gast :') .
Deden de sovjets dat ook niet ?
Oh nee, daar hadden ze goelags voor, daar hoorde je nooit meer wat van.
Whiskers2009donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:06
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Dan moet er wel heel veel animo zijn onder de bevolking om die muur te bouwen. En ik denk dat dat nog wel meevalt.
Of heel veel animo in het Congres om het tegen te houden ;)
Linus_van_Peltdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:23
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Dan moet er wel heel veel animo zijn onder de bevolking om die muur te bouwen. En ik denk dat dat nog wel meevalt.
Geen idee eigenlijk. Je kan natuurlijk sowieso zeggen dat een groot gedeelte van de bevolking weinig van Trump moet hebben. Aan de andere kant heeft hij nog steeds een vrij grote achterban die (momenteel) nog erg dol op hem zijn en de muur leek wel een belangrijk punt voor hen.En als het de muur niet is, zijn er trouwens nog wel andere onderwerpen waar het congres en Trump kunnen gaan botsen. Ook omdat Trump geen typische republikein is. Ik moet nog maar zien of het allemaal zo vlekkeloos gaat verlopen en wie er op het einde aan het langste eind trekt.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:24
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Ik ben wel benieuwd hoe het congres, met name de republikeinen, omgaat met Trump en zijn plannen. Er is natuurlijk al wat langer onrust onder de bevolking omdat congresleden meer bezig zijn met partijpolitiek, lobbygroepen en hun zetel behouden, dan met het land besturen. En als Trump 'doet wat het volk wil', kan je al vrij snel de grote boeman worden als je als congres alle plannen blokkeert.
Ja, ik hoor wel vaker over onrust en ontevredenheid maar het vertaalt zich nooit echt in zetels.

Het Congress in de VS heeft overigens een lagere approval rating als pedofielen.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:25
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Deden de sovjets dat ook niet ?
Oh nee, daar hadden ze goelags voor, daar hoorde je nooit meer wat van.
Ah, de "links deed het ook" defense. Hebben we dat ook weer gehad.
Linus_van_Peltdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:28
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Ja, ik hoor wel vaker over onrust en ontevredenheid maar het vertaalt zich nooit echt in zetels.

Het Congress in de VS heeft overigens een lagere approval rating als pedofielen.
Wat bedoel je met 'vertalen in zetels'? Er zijn immers maar twee echte partijen en volgens mij komt het vrij vaak voor dat de ene partij wint nadat de andere partij de vorige verkiezingen heeft gewonnen.

Ik verdiep me trouwens niet heel erg in de Amerikaanse politiek, ik baseer me op reportages van Nieuwsuur n.a.v. die problemen met de begroting die ze een paar jaar elke keer weer hadden.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:30
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Wat bedoel je met 'vertalen in zetels'? Er zijn immers maar twee echte partijen en volgens mij komt het vrij vaak voor dat de ene partij wint nadat de andere partij de vorige verkiezingen heeft gewonnen.

Ik verdiep me trouwens niet heel erg in de Amerikaanse politiek, ik baseer me op reportages van Nieuwsuur n.a.v. die problemen met de begroting die ze een paar jaar elke keer weer hadden.
Het congress wordt al jarenlang beheerst door de Republikeinen die 6 jaar lang een politiek gevoerd hebben van obstructie en verder niets, het vorige Congress was het minst productieve in de geschiedenis. Dan zou je mischien denken dat het nu Democratisch is maar nee hoor, men heeft gewoon weer republikeins gestemd.
Linus_van_Peltdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:37
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Het congress wordt al jarenlang beheerst door de Republikeinen die 6 jaar lang een politiek gevoerd hebben van obstructie en verder niets, het vorige Congress was het minst productieve in de geschiedenis. Dan zou je mischien denken dat het nu Democratisch is maar nee hoor, men heeft gewoon weer republikeins gestemd.
Laatst stond er een interview met een Amerikaanse filosoof in de Groene (of VN?) en die zei dat maar relatief weinig stemmers snappen hoe het systeem werkt. Stemmers reageren dus op de president. Obama was een democraat en het ging niet super tof met het land, dus stemmen ontevreden zwevers op republikeinen. Het vermoeden is dan ook dat over twee jaar veel republikeinen hun zeteltje gaan verliezen, tenzij het heel lekker gaat met president Trump.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:39
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Laatst stond er een interview met een Amerikaanse filosoof in de Groene (of VN?) en die zei dat maar relatief weinig stemmers snappen hoe het systeem werkt. Stemmers reageren dus op de president. Obama was een democraat en het ging niet super tof met het land, dus stemmen ontevreden zwevers op republikeinen. Het vermoeden is dan ook dat over twee jaar veel republikeinen hun zeteltje gaan verliezen, tenzij het heel lekker gaat met president Trump.
Voor de senaat gaat dat maar zeer de vraag zijn over 2 jaar. Het huis misschien wel en governors enzo wel. zie bv hier https://www.washingtonpos(...)m_term=.360f0982a97e
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:40
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Laatst stond er een interview met een Amerikaanse filosoof in de Groene (of VN?) en die zei dat maar relatief weinig stemmers snappen hoe het systeem werkt. Stemmers reageren dus op de president. Obama was een democraat en het ging niet super tof met het land, dus stemmen ontevreden zwevers op republikeinen. Het vermoeden is dan ook dat over twee jaar veel republikeinen hun zeteltje gaan verliezen, tenzij het heel lekker gaat met president Trump.
Mjah, en daar zit dus het probleem, volgens alle objectieve metingen gaat het enorm veel beter sinds Obama aan de macht is maar blijkbaar werkt het door constant op angst te spelen.
Linus_van_Peltdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 14:47
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Voor de senaat gaat dat maar zeer de vraag zijn over 2 jaar. Het huis misschien wel en governors enzo wel. zie bv hier https://www.washingtonpos(...)m_term=.360f0982a97e
Ai, dat is inderdaad wel lekker voor de republikeinen. Ook wel heel onfortuinlijk dat mensen dus na twee jaar Trump niet helemaal kunnen afstraffen.
Puddingtondonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:17
De press secretary van het Witte huis heeft hoogstwaarschijnlijk zijn wachtwoord de internet-ether ingeslingerd:

En dan klagen dat Podesta ten prooi valt aan phising :')

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Puddington op 26-01-2017 15:48:39 ]
Kijkertjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:20
In his first major TV interview as president, Trump is endlessly obsessed with his popularity

The lengthy interview, which aired late Wednesday night, provided a glimpse of the president and his state-of-mind on his fifth full day in office. It revealed a man who is obsessed with his own popularity and eager to provide evidence of his likability, even if that information doesn't match reality.

:|W
crystal_methdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:35
Trump heeft net gehoord dat de Mexicaanse president misschien niet wil komen. Dat kan hij niet hebben natuurlijk...
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:51:46 The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. It has been a one-sided deal from the beginning of NAFTA with massive numbers... reageer retweet
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:55:03 of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. reageer retweet
KingRadlerdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:35
Trump ziet de VS gewoon als een speeltje.
_O-
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:36
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Trump heeft net gehoord dat de Mexicaanse president misschien niet wil komen. Dat kan hij niet hebben natuurlijk...
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:51:46 The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. It has been a one-sided deal from the beginning of NAFTA with massive numbers... reageer retweet
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:55:03 of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. reageer retweet
You cant fire me, I quit! God, wat een schertsfiguur.
monkyyydonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:36
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De press sectretary van het Witte huis heeft hoogstwaarschijnlijk zijn wachtwoord de internet-ether ingeslingerd:

En dan klagen dat Podesta ten prooi valt aan phising :')
De nucleaire codes! :o
Perrindonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:40
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Trump heeft net gehoord dat de Mexicaanse president misschien niet wil komen. Dat kan hij niet hebben natuurlijk...
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:51:46 The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. It has been a one-sided deal from the beginning of NAFTA with massive numbers... reageer retweet
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:55:03 of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. reageer retweet
We print the dollars, they produce the goods. It's so unfair.
Leandradonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:41
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Trump ziet de VS gewoon als een speeltje.
_O-
Ja, en dat hij geen artikel 11 procedure kan toepassen als de boel op de rand van bankroet zit maakt m ook niet uit, zoals altijd komt hij er toch weer mee weg zonder een kruimel minder te hoeven eten.
DrDentzdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:46
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Trump heeft net gehoord dat de Mexicaanse president misschien niet wil komen. Dat kan hij niet hebben natuurlijk...
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:51:46 The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. It has been a one-sided deal from the beginning of NAFTA with massive numbers... reageer retweet
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:55:03 of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. reageer retweet
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Kijkertjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:47
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DrDentzdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:47
Hij is wel echt "the people's president", alles wordt direct getwitterd naar het volk ipv besproken met adviseurs.
Papierversnipperaardonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:48
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Amerikaanse klimaatdata gered van ondergang door Nederlander - rtlz.nl

De nieuwe Amerikaanse regering dreigt enorme hoeveelheden data over klimaatverandering offline te halen. Een groep wetenschappers maakt zich grote zorgen en werkt de klok rond om de data veilig te stellen. De spin in het web is een Nederlander in Canada.

De Amerikaanse overheid heeft de afgelopen jaren een schat aan informatie over het klimaat en klimaatverandering verzameld en openbaar gemaakt. Maar wetenschappers vreesden dat de nieuwe regering onder leiding van klimaatscepticus Donald Trump de data snel onvindbaar zal maken.

Niet onterecht, zo bleek. Op de dag van de inauguratie verdwenen de klimaatpagina's al van de site van het Witte Huis en gisteren beval Trump de Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) om de klimaatpagina’s offline te halen.

Om ervoor te zorgen dat het allemaal niet verloren gaat, begonnen de wetenschappers vorige week aan het veilig stellen van de info. Op de campus van de University of California werken zij dag en nacht aan het schrijven van scripts om grote databases te downloaden en websites te archiveren.

En daar komt de Nederlander Michael Riedijk om de hoek. Hij is ceo van het Canadese bedrijf PageFreezer, dat gespecialiseerd is in het archiveren van websites. Toen hij lucht kreeg van het initiatief bood hij zijn diensten gratis aan, vertelt hij aan RTL Z.

"Deze beweging is begonnen in de VS en Canada uit angst dat belangrijke klimaatdata kwijt zou raken. En dat gebeurt op dit moment ook écht. Ik krijg bericht uit het netwerk dat servers daadwerkelijk weggeplukt worden", vertelt Riedijk. "Wij hebben inmiddels de 150 meest belangrijke websites gearchiveerd en blijven dat doen om straks de verschillen te kunnen tracken. De backups draaien nu op onze servers."

Die servers staan onder andere in Nederland en dat is belangrijk. Daarmee wordt het voor de overheid in de VS haast onmogelijk om alsnog de data offline te krijgen.

PageFreezer archiveert continu honderdduizenden webpagina's van de Amerikaanse overheid, zegt Riedijk. Binnen een paar weken moet de data van de websites ook weer daadwerkelijk toegankelijk en doorzoekbaar worden voor het publiek.

Vooral de gegevens die de EPA heeft verzameld, zijn belangrijk voor wetenschappers. Op het moment van schrijven zijn de klimaatpagina's nog niet offline, maar de verwachting is dat dat niet lang meer duurt. Via zijn contacten op de universiteiten van Pennsylvania en Oregon hoort Riedijk dat de pagina's van EPA waarschijnlijk vandaag al uit de lucht gaan, maar het is te laat voor Trump: "Wij hebben al een kopie getrokken", zegt hij.

"Ik doe mee omdat dit is wat wij als bedrijf doen. Het gaat om miljarden dollars aan onderzoek. Iets wat niet verdwijnt als je die data van het internet haalt. Het klimaatprobleem is één van de belangrijkste problemen die we als mensheid moeten oplossen. Dit voelt daarom als 'the right thing to do'", vertelt de ceo van PageFreezer. "Wij leveren precies die technologie die deze data kan redden. Dus ik zie het ook als een soort showcase."

Het Canadese PageFreezer laat zich normaal gesproken juist inhuren door overheden, banken en andere grote bedrijven om webpagina's te archiveren. Die instellingen laten hun websites en data archiveren omdat er een bewaarplicht voor hun gegevens geldt of omdat ze een archief willen hebben voor als ze aangeklaagd worden, bijvoorbeeld op basis van iets wat op hun website gestaan zou hebben.

Bron: www.rtlz.nl
Puddingtondonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:55
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Held.
Nibb-itdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 15:58
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 15:35 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Trump heeft net gehoord dat de Mexicaanse president misschien niet wil komen. Dat kan hij niet hebben natuurlijk...
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:51:46 The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico. It has been a one-sided deal from the beginning of NAFTA with massive numbers... reageer retweet
realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 14:55:03 of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. reageer retweet
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Leandradonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 16:01
Onvoorstelbaar dat hij zelfs pagina's van EPA uit de lucht laat halen....
#ANONIEMdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 16:03
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Heel goed.
antiderivativedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 16:09
Goed niveau met al die plaatjes..

Er was weer een discussie op CNBC over drug prices, en er werd weer gesproken over dat er best gedacht kan worden over het kopen van (een) drug company/companies. Enkele healthcare analysten vonden dat best een interessant idee. Artikel op Forbes over deze casus. Met pros/cons.

Als je het niet kan lezen door abbo of wat dan ook:
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Trump Can Lower Drug Prices By U.S. Government Purchase Of Drug Companies

Major mergers in the biopharmaceutical industry are driven by a variety of factors, but the major one tends to be the acquisition of new assets to fuel growth of the acquiring company’s pipeline. I was personally involved in such processes a few times during my Pfizer tenure. When the possibility of a Warner-Lambert merger with American Home Products arose back in 1999, Pfizer stepped in and executed a hostile takeover with the express purpose of having sole access to what was becoming the biggest-selling drug of all time–Lipitor. Similarly, when Pfizer was facing a revenue gap in 2004, it acquired Pharmacia, not just for control of the COX-2 pain medication franchise, but also for a variety of other Pharmacia products that blended well with Pfizer’s drug portfolio.

Whenever a company is contemplating an acquisition or merger, it goes through extensive analyses to justify such a move first to its board of directors, then to its shareholders. These deals generally run into the tens of BIILIONS of dollars as one must pay not just the current value of the desired company but also a significant premium over that price in order to make the bid sufficiently attractive to the board and shareholders of the takeover target. To justify such an acquisition, the acquirer needs to show not only the long-term revenue potential of the desired products, but also ways to strip out costs–the dreaded “synergies” that arise from redundant efforts–as well as jettisoning specific assets that the acquiring company isn’t interested in retaining, such as major divisions (e.g., chemical or agricultural) or specific products. Such analyses can generally be used to justify paying the price necessary to close the deal.

Dr. Peter Bach of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, a longtime advocate of affordable drug pricing, and Dr. Mark Trusheim of MIT’s Center of Biomedical Innovation have taken the concept of biopharma acquisitions and applied it intriguingly into a plan, laid out in a post for FORBES, for the U.S. government to obtain access to important drugs. The drugs in question are the hepatitis C cures Harvoni and Sovaldi, both sold by Gilead. They propose a plan that not only saves the government money, but also would enable millions of patients who still have hepatitis C to get cured as soon as possible. These patients are currently caught in a bind because the high costs of these drugs–even at the rebated price of $42,000/patient for a course of treatment–is too much a burden for the government to bear all at once.

Essentially, Bach and Trusheim have done an analysis that any big company would do for a major acquisition. Gilead’s current market cap is about $100 billion. Taking into account the need for a 30% premium as well as the assumption of Gilead’s $26 billion debt, the price rises to $156 billion. However, the authors believe that divesting Gilead’s HIV franchise for $52 billion, other pipeline assets for another $10 billion, and divesting the ex-U.S. hepatitis C business for $17 billion, the cost of the deal is down to $77 billion. The government would also gain the $31 billion that Gilead has stashed in overseas cash and, with other savings, the cost comes down to about $40 billion, a price that amounts to a per patient cost of about $15,700 for wiping out hepatitis C, a disease that causes liver failure and liver cancer. As the authors say: “That’s a 63% savings, a no-brainer even before the corporate jet is sold.”

While this sounds pretty enticing, there are issues in trying to do this. For one thing, the government would become a competitor with U.S. businesses that, theoretically, the government would like to see thrive. Both AbbVie and Merck have drugs that compete with Gilead’s drugs. Bach and Trusheim believe that, since Gilead’s drugs amount to 80% of the hepatitis C business, the market has spoken as to their value. However, having the government as a competitor would damage AbbVie and Merck’s efforts and could force drug companies out of R&D in key fields threatened by potential government invasion.

The U.S. government would be challenged to execute such a plan. What agency would be responsible to analyze such deal opportunities? Who would manage it once it was acquired? After all, the drug would need to be manufactured, quality monitored, distributed, etc. The government could contract this work out, but it would add another layer of bureaucracy. Theoretically, the government could use this tactic for other drugs. I have no doubt that there are rare or orphan disease drugs currently sold by biotech companies much smaller than Gilead. Should the government become a procurer of such firms? Finally, my guess is that, if large pharma companies got wind of Gilead being in play, suitors with deep pockets might enter the bidding process for Gilead. Should the government be involved in such bidding wars?

Nevertheless, the Bach-Trusheim proposal in intriguing. Some will undoubtedly attack this plan as the beginnings of governmental nationalization of the biopharmaceutical industry. I don’t think that’s the case. Such a takeover of Gilead would mirror a similar takeover by a big company. The deal wouldn’t go through unless Gilead’s board and shareholders approved it, just like any other deal. Furthermore, my guess is that this sort of move may appeal to President Trump’s business sense. He’s looking to bring down drug prices and for different ways for the government to impact the process. This plan certainly does that.

(The author is the former president of Pfizer Global R&D.)
OMGdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 16:11
Goed niveau, dat constant zeiken over het niveau.
KoosVogelsdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 16:14
quote:
0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 16:11 schreef OMG het volgende:
Goed niveau, dat constant zeiken over het niveau.
En dat is dan afkomstig van een user die Trump verafgodt.
crystal_methdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 16:15
Transcript van Trump's interview met ABC:
Intro:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, it's an honor to be here at the White House.
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you very much, David.
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you, has the magnitude of this job hit you yet?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: It has periodically hit me. And it is a tremendous magnitude. And where you really see it is when you're talking to the generals about problems in the world. And we do have problems in the world. Big problems. The business also hits because the -- the size of it. The size.

I was with the Ford yesterday. And with General Motors yesterday. The top representatives, great people. And they're gonna do some tremendous work in the United States. They're gonna build plants back in the United States. But when you see the size, even as a businessman, the size of the investment that these big companies are gonna make, it hits you even in that regard. But we're gonna bring jobs back to America, like I promised on the campaign trail.

DAVID MUIR: And we're gonna get to it all right here.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Good.
Over Mexico, the wall, deportaties..:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I want to start -- we're five days in. And your campaign promises. I know today you plan on signing the order to build the wall.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Correct.

DAVID MUIR: Are you going to direct U.S. funds to pay for this wall? Will American taxpayers pay for the wall?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Ultimately it'll come out of what's happening with Mexico. We're gonna be starting those negotiations relatively soon. And we will be in a form reimbursed by Mexico which I will say ...

DAVID MUIR: So, they'll pay us back?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yeah, absolutely, 100 percent.

DAVID MUIR: So, the American taxpayer will pay for the wall at first?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: All it is, is we'll be reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from Mexico. Now, I could wait a year and I could hold off the wall. But I wanna build the wall. We have to build the wall. We have to stop drugs from pouring in. We have to stop people from just pouring into our country. We have no idea where they're from. And I campaigned on the wall. And it's very important. But that wall will cost us nothing.

DAVID MUIR: But you talked -- often about Mexico paying for the wall. And you, again, say they'll pay us back. Mexico's president said in recent days that Mexico absolutely will not pay, adding that, "It goes against our dignity as a country and our dignity as Mexicans." He says ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: David, he has to say that. He has to say that. But I'm just telling you there will be a payment. It will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form. And you have to understand what I'm doing is good for the United States. It's also going to be good for Mexico.

We wanna have a very stable, very solid Mexico. Even more solid than it is right now. And they need it also. Lots of things are coming across Mexico that they don't want. I think it's going to be a good thing for both countries. And I think the relationship will be better than ever before.

You know, when we had a prisoner in Mexico, as you know, two years ago, that we were trying to get out. And Mexico was not helping us, I will tell you, those days are over. I think we're gonna end up with a much better relationship with Mexico. We will have the wall and in a very serious form Mexico will pay for the wall.

DAVID MUIR: What are you gonna say to some of your supporters who might say, "Wait a minute, I thought Mexico was going to pay for this right at the start."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I'd say very simply that they are going to pay for it. I never said they're gonna pay from the start. I said Mexico will pay for the wall. But what I will tell my supporters is, "Would you like me to wait two years or three years before I make this deal?" Because we have to make a deal on NAFTA. We have to make a new trade deal with Mexico because we're getting clobbered.

We have a $60-billion trade deficit. So, if you want, I can wait two years and then we can do it nice and easily. I wanna start the wall immediately. Every supporter I have -- I have had so many people calling and tweeting and -- and writing letters saying they're so happy about it. I wanna start the wall. We will be reimbursed for the wall.

DAVID MUIR: When does construction begin?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: As soon as we can. As soon as we can physically do it. We're ...

DAVID MUIR: Within months?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would say in months. Yeah, I would say in months. Certainly planning is starting immediately.

DAVID MUIR: People feel ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We'll be having some really good, really solid plans within a short period of time.

DAVID MUIR: When people learn of the news of this wall today there are gonna be a lot of people listening to this. And I wanna ask about undocumented immigrants who are here -- in this country. Right now they're protected as so-called dreamers -- the children who were brought here, as you know, by their parents. Should they be worried -- that they could be deported? And is there anything you can say to assure them right now that they'll be allowed to stay?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: They shouldn't be very worried. They are here illegally. They shouldn't be very worried. I do have a big heart. We're going to take care of everybody. We're going to have a very strong border. We're gonna have a very solid border. Where you have great people that are here that have done a good job, they should be far less worried. We'll be coming out with policy on that over the next period of four weeks.

DAVID MUIR: But Mr. President, will they be allowed to stay?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I'm gonna tell you over the next four weeks. But I will tell you, we're looking at this, the whole immigration situation, we're looking at it with great heart. Now we have criminals that are here. We have really bad people that are here. Those people have to be worried 'cause they're getting out. We're gonna get them out. We're gonna get 'em out fast. General Kelly is -- I've given that as his number one priority.

DAVID MUIR: Senator Jeff Sessions, your pick for attorney general, as you know during his confirmation hearing said that ending DACA, this is President Obama's policy protecting the dreamers -- that, "Ending it certainly would be constitutional." That you could end the protection of these dreamers. Is that a possibility?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna be talking with -- attorney general. He will soon be the attorney general. He's done fantastically well. We're all very proud of him. I thought he was treated very, very unfairly. He's a brilliant man and he's a very good man. He'll do a fantastic job. I'll be speaking to him as soon as he's affirmed.

DAVID MUIR: So, it's a possibility.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We will be talking to the attorney general.
Over the popular vote en 3 tot 5 miljoen illegale stemmen:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: I wanna ask you about something you said this week right here at the White House. You brought in congressional leaders to the White House. You spoke at length about the presidential election with them -- telling them that you lost the popular vote because of millions of illegal votes, 3 to 5 million illegal votes. That would be the biggest electoral fraud in American history. Where is the evidence of that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: So, let me tell you first of all, it was so misrepresented. That was supposed to be a confidential meeting. And you weren't supposed to go out and talk to the press as soon as you -- but the Democrats viewed it not as a confidential meeting.

DAVID MUIR: But you have tweeted ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... about the millions of illegals ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure. And I do -- and I'm very ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... and I mean it. But just so you -- it was supposed to be a confidential meeting. They turned it into not a con... Number two, the conversation lasted for about a minute. They made it -- somebody said it was, like, 25 percent of the ... It wasn't. It was hardly even discussed.

I said it. And I said it strongly because what's going on with voter fraud is horrible. That's number one. Number two, I would've won the popular vote if I was campaigning for the popular vote. I would've gone to California where I didn't go at all. I would've gone to New York where I didn't campaign at all.

I would've gone to a couple of places that I didn't go to. And I would've won that much easier than winning the electoral college. But as you know, the electoral college is all that matters. It doesn't make any difference. So, I would've won very, very easily. But it's a different form of winning. You would campaign much differently. You would have a totally different campaign. So, but ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... you're just asking a question. I would've easily won the popular vote, much easier, in my opinion, than winning the electoral college. I ended up going to 19 different states. I went to the state of Maine four times for one. I needed one.

I went to M-- I got it, by the way. But it turned out I didn't need it because we ended up winning by a massive amount, 306. I needed 270. We got 306. You and everybody said, "There's no way you get to 270." I mean, your network said and almost everybody said, "There's no way you can get to ..." So, I went to Maine four times. I went to various places. And that's the beauty of the electoral college. With that being said, if you look at voter registration, you look at the dead people that are registered to vote who vote, you look at people that are registered in two states, you look at all of these different things that are happening with registration. You take a look at those registration for -- you're gonna s-- find -- and we're gonna do an investigation on it.

DAVID MUIR: But 3 to 5 million illegal votes?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, we're gonna find out. But it could very well be that much. Absolutely.

DAVID MUIR: But ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: But we're gonna find out.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: In fact, I heard one of the other side, they were saying it's not 3 to 5. It's not 3 to 5. I said, "Well, Mr. Trump is talking about registration, tell--" He said, "You know we don't wanna talk about registration." They don't wanna talk about registration.

You have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. You have people registered in two states. They're registered in a New York and a New Jersey. They vote twice. There are millions of votes, in my opinion. Now ...

DAVID MUIR: But again ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I'm doing an ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... investigation. David, David, David ...

DAVID MUIR: You’re now, you’re now president of the United States when you say ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Of course, and I want the voting process to be legitimate.

DAVID MUIR: But what I'm asking ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: The people that ...

DAVID MUIR: ... what I'm asking that -- when you say in your opinion millions of illegal votes, that is something that is extremely fundamental to our functioning democracy, a fair and free election.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure. Sure. Sure.

DAVID MUIR: You say you're gonna launch an investigation.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure, done.

DAVID MUIR: What you have presented so far has been debunked. It's been called ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... false.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, it hasn't. Take a look at the Pew reports.

DAVID MUIR: I called the author of the Pew report last night. And he told me that they found no evidence of voter ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... fraud.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Really? Then why did he write the report?

DAVID MUIR: He said no evidence of voter fraud.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Excuse me, then why did he write the report?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: According to Pew report, then he's -- then he's groveling again. You know, I always talk about the reporters that grovel when they wanna write something that you wanna hear but not necessarily millions of people wanna hear or have to hear.

DAVID MUIR: So, you’ve launched an investigation?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna launch an investigation to find out. And then the next time -- and I will say this, of those votes cast, none of 'em come to me. None of 'em come to me. They would all be for the other side. None of 'em come to me. But when you look at the people that are registered: dead, illegal and two states and some cases maybe three states -- we have a lot to look into.

DAVID MUIR: House Speaker Paul Ryan has said, "I have seen no evidence. I have made this very, very clear." Senator Lindsey Graham saying, "It's the most inappropriate thing for a president to say without proof. He seems obsessed with the idea that he could not have possibly lost the popular vote without cheating and fraud." I wanna ask you about something bigger here. Does it matter more now ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: There's nothing bigger. There's nothing bigger.

DAVID MUIR: But it is important because ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Let me just tell you, you know what's important, millions of people agree with me when I say that if you would’ve looked on one of the other networks and all of the people that were calling in they're saying, "We agree with Mr. Trump. We agree." They're very smart people.

The people that voted for me -- lots of people are saying they saw things happen. I heard stories also. But you're not talking about millions. But it's a small little segment. I will tell you, it's a good thing that we're doing because at the end we're gonna have an idea as to what's going on. Now, you're telling me Pew report has all of a sudden changed. But you have other reports and you have other statements. You take a look at the registrations, how many dead people are there? Take a look at the registrations as to the other things that I already presented.

DAVID MUIR: And you're saying ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And you're gonna find ...

DAVID MUIR: ... those people who are on the rolls voted, that there are millions of illegal votes?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I didn't say there are millions. But I think there could very well be millions of people. That's right.

DAVID MUIR: You tweeted though ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And I also say this ...

DAVID MUIR: ... you tweeted, "If you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally, I won the popular vote."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: David, and I also say this, if I was going for the popular vote I would've won easily. But I would've been in California and New York. I wouldn't have been in Maine. I wouldn't have been in Iowa. I wouldn't have been in Nebraska and all of those states that I had to win in order to win this. I would've been in New York, I would've been in California. I never even went there.

DAVID MUIR: Let me just ask you, you did win. You're the president. You're sitting ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: That’s true.

DAVID MUIR: ... across from me right now.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: That's true.

DAVID MUIR: Do you think that your words matter more now?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yes, very much.

DAVID MUIR: Do you think that that talking about millions of illegal votes is dangerous to this country without presenting the evidence?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, not at all.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Not at all because many people feel the same way that I do. And ...

DAVID MUIR: You don't think it undermines your credibility if there’s no evidence?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, not at all because they didn't come to me. Believe me. Those were Hillary votes. And if you look at it they all voted for Hillary. They all voted for Hillary. They didn't vote for me. I don't believe I got one. Okay, these are people that voted for Hillary Clinton. And if they didn't vote, it would've been different in the popular.

Now, you have to understand I -- I focused on those four or five states that I had to win. Maybe she didn't. She should've gone to Michigan. She thought she had it in the bag. She should've gone to Wisconsin, she thought she had it because you're talking about 38 years of, you know, Democrat wins. But they didn't. I went to Michigan, I went to Wisconsin. I went to Pennsylvania all the time. I went to all of the states that are -- Florida and North Carolina. That's all I focused on.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, it does strike me though that we're relitigating the presidential campaign, the election ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, no. We're looking at it for the next time. No, no, you have to understand, I had a tremendous victory, one of the great victories ever. In terms of counties I think the most ever or just about the most ever. When you look at a map it's all red. Red meaning us, Republicans.

One of the greatest victories ever. But, again, I ran for the electoral college. I didn't run for the popular vote. What I'm saying is if there are these problems that many people agree with me that there might be. Look, Barack Obama -- if you look back -- eight years ago when he first ran -- he was running for office in Chicago for we needed Chicago vote.

And he was laughing at the system because he knew all of those votes were going to him. You look at Philadelphia, you look at what's going on in Philadelphia. But take a look at the tape of Barack Obama who wrote me, by the way, a very beautiful letter in the drawer of the desk. Very beautiful. And I appreciate it. But look at what he said, it's on tape. Look at what he said about voting in Chicago eight years ago. It's not changed. It hasn't changed, believe me. Chicago, look what's going on in Chicago. It's only gotten worse.

But he was smiling and laughing about the vote in Chicago. Now, once he became president he didn't do that. All of a sudden it became this is the foundation of our country. So, here's the point, you have a lot of stuff going on possibly. I say probably. But possibly. We're gonna get to the bottom of it.

And then we're gonna make sure it doesn't happen again. If people are registered wrongly, if illegals are registered to vote, which they are, if dead people are registered to vote and voting, which they do. There are some. I don't know how many. We're gonna try finding that out and the other categories that we talk about, double states where they're -- registered in two states, we're gonna get to the bottom of it because we have to stop it. Because I agree, so important. But the other side is trying to downplay this. Now, I'll say this -- I think that if that didn't happen, first of all, would -- would be a great thing if it didn't happen. But I believe it did happen. And I believe a part of the vote would've been much different.

DAVID MUIR: And you believe millions of illegal votes ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, we're gonna find out.

DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you this ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna find out. And -- and, by the way, when I say you're gonna find out. You can never really find, you know, there are gonna be -- no matter what numbers we come up with there are gonna be lots of people that did things that we're not going to find out about. But we will find out because we need a better system where that can't happen.
Over z'n speech bij de CIA (en over de media...):
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I just have one more question on this. And it's -- it's bigger picture. You took some heat after your visit to the CIA in front of that hallowed wall, 117 stars -- of those lost at the CIA. You talked about other things. But you also talked about crowd size at the inauguration, about the size of your rallies, about covers on Time magazine. And I just wanna ask you when does all of that matter just a little less? When do you let it roll off your back now that you're the president?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: OK, so I'm glad you asked. So, I went to the CIA, my first step. I have great respect for the people in intelligence and CIA. I'm -- I don't have a lot of respect for, in particular one of the leaders. But that's okay. But I have a lot of respect for the people in the CIA.

That speech was a home run. That speech, if you look at Fox, OK, I'll mention you -- we see what Fox said. They said it was one of the great speeches. They showed the people applauding and screaming and -- and they were all CIA. There was -- somebody was asking Sean -- "Well, were they Trump people that were put--" we don't have Trump people. They were CIA people.

That location was given to me. Mike Pence went up before me, paid great homage to the wall. I then went up, paid great homage to the wall. I then spoke to the crowd. I got a standing ovation. In fact, they said it was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl and they said it was equal. I got a standing ovation. It lasted for a long period of time. What you do is take -- take out your tape -- you probably ran it live. I know when I do good speeches. I know when I do bad speeches. That speech was a total home run. They loved it. I could've ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... gotten ...

DAVID MUIR: You would give the same speech if you went back ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Absolutely.

DAVID MUIR: ... in front of that wall?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: People loved it. They loved it. They gave me a standing ovation for a long period of time. They never even sat down, most of them, during the speech. There was love in the room. You and other networks covered it very inaccurately. I hate to say this to you and you probably won't put it on but turn on Fox and see how it was covered. And see how people respond to that speech.

That speech was a good speech. And you and a couple of other networks tried to downplay that speech. And it was very, very unfortunate that you did. The people of the CIA loved the speech. If I was going to take a vote in that room, there were, like, 300, 350 people, over 1,000 wanted to be there but they couldn't. They were all CIA people. I would say I would've gotten 350 to nothing in that room. That's what the vote would've been. That speech was a big hit, a big success -- success. And then I came back and I watched you on television and a couple of others.

DAVID MUIR: Not me personally.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And they tried to demean. Excuse me?

DAVID MUIR: Not me personally.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Not you personally but your network -- and they tried to demean the speech. And I know when things are good or bad. A poll just came out on my inauguration speech which was extraordinary that people loved it. Loved and liked. And it was an extraordinary poll.

DAVID MUIR: I guess that's what I'm getting at. You talked about the poll, the people loving your inaugural speech and the size of your ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, because you bring it up.

DAVID MUIR: I'm asking, well, on day one you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, you just brought it up. I didn't bring it up. I didn't wanna -- talk about the inauguration speech. But I think I did a very good job and people really liked it. You saw the poll. Just came out this morning. You bring it up. I didn't bring it up.

DAVID MUIR: So, polls and crowd size and covers on Time, those still matter now that you're here as president.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, you keep bringing it up. I had a massive amount of people here. They were showing pictures that were very unflattering, as unflattering -- from certain angles -- that were taken early and lots of other things. I'll show you a picture later if you’d like of a massive crowd.

In terms of a total audience including television and everything else that you have we had supposedly the biggest crowd in history. The audience watching the show. And I think you would even agree to that. They say I had the biggest crowd in the history of inaugural speeches. I'm honored by that. But I didn't bring it up. You just brought it up.

DAVID MUIR: See, I -- I'm not interested in the inaugural crowd size. I think the American people can look at images side by side and decide for themselves. I am curious about the first full day here at the White House, choosing to send the press secretary out into the briefing room, summoning reporters to talk about the inaugural crowd size. Does that send a message to the American people that that's -- that's more important than some of the very pressing issues?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Part of my whole victory was that the men and women of this country who have been forgotten will never be forgotten again. Part of that is when they try and demean me unfairly 'cause we had a massive crowd of people. We had a crowd -- I looked over that sea of people and I said to myself, "Wow."

And I've seen crowds before. Big, big crowds. That was some crowd. When I looked at the numbers that happened to come in from all of the various sources, we had the biggest audience in the history of inaugural speeches. I said the men and women that I was talking to who came out and voted will never be forgotten again. Therefore I won't allow you or other people like you to demean that crowd and to demean the people that came to Washington, D.C., from faraway places because they like me. But more importantly they like what I'm saying.

DAVID MUIR: I just wanna say I didn't demean anyone who was in that crowd. We did coverage for hours ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, I think you’re demeaning by talking the way you're talking. I think you're demeaning. And that's why I think a lot of people turned on you and turned on a lot of other people. And that's why you have a 17 percent approval rating, which is pretty bad.
Over Chicago en "sending in the Feds"
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. Trump, let's talk about many of the things that have happened this week. Chicago. Last night you tweeted about the murder rate in Chicago saying, "If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible carnage going on I will send in the feds."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Right.

DAVID MUIR: You will send in the feds? What do you mean by that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It's carnage. You know, in my speech I got tremendous -- from certain people the word carnage. It is carnage. It's horrible carnage. This is Afghanistan -- is not like what's happening in Chicago. People are being shot left and right. Thousands of people over a period -- over a short period of time.

This year, which has just started, is worse than last year, which was a catastrophe. They're not doing the job. Now if they want help, I would love to help them. I will send in what we have to send in. Maybe they're not gonna have to be so politically correct. Maybe they're being overly political correct. Maybe there's something going on. But you can't have those killings going on in Chicago. Chicago is like a war zone. Chicago is worse than some of the people that you report in some of the places that you report about every night ...

DAVID MUIR: So, I will send ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... in the Middle East.

DAVID MUIR: ... you mentioned federal assistance. There's federal assistance and then there's sending in the feds. I'm just curious would you take action on your own?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I want them to fix the problem. You can't have thousands of people being shot in a city, in a country that I happen to be president of. Maybe it's okay if somebody else is president. I want them to fix the problem. They have a problem that's very easily fixable.

They're gonna have to get tougher and stronger and smarter. But they gotta fix the problem. I don't want to have thousands of people shot in a city where essentially I'm the president. I love Chicago. I know Chicago. And Chicago is a great city, can be a great city.

DAVID MUIR: And if they’re unable to fix it?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It can't be a great city. Excuse me. It can't be a great city if people are shot walking down the street for a loaf of bread. Can't be a great city.

DAVID MUIR: And if they are unable to fix it, that's when you would send in the feds?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: But so far they have been unable. It’s been going on for years. And I wasn't president. So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.

DAVID MUIR: Let me ask ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: They weren't shot at the speech. But they were shot in the city of Chicago during his speech. What -- what's going on? So, all I'm saying is to the mayor who came up to my office recently -- I say, "You have to smarten up and you have to toughen up because you can't let that happen. That's a war zone."

DAVID MUIR: So, this is an "or else." This is a warning?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I want them to straighten out the problem. It's a big problem.
Over martelen:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you about a new report that you were poised to lift a ban on so-called CIA black sites of prisons around the world that have been used in the past. Is that true?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I'll be talking about that in about two hours. So, you'll be there and you'll be able to see it for yourself.

DAVID MUIR: Are you gonna lift the ban?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You're gonna see in about two hours.

DAVID MUIR: The last president, President Obama, said the U.S. does not torture. Will you say that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I have a general who I have great respect for, General Mattis, who said -- I was a little surprised -- who said he's not a believer in torture. As you know, Mr. Pompeo was just approved, affirmed by the Senate. He's a fantastic guy, he's gonna be the head of the CIA.

And you have somebody fabulous as opposed to the character that just got out who didn't -- was not fabulous at all. And he will I think do a great job. And he is -- you know, I haven't gone into great detail. But I will tell you I have spoken to others in intelligence. And they are big believers in, as an example, waterboarding.

DAVID MUIR: You did tell me ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Because they say it does work. It does work.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, you ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, you told me during one of the debates that you would bring back waterboarding and a hell of a lot worse.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would do ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would do -- I wanna keep our country safe. I wanna keep our country safe.

DAVID MUIR: What does that mean?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: When they're shooting -- when they're chopping off the heads of our people and other people, when they're chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East, when ISIS is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since Medieval times, would I feel strongly about waterboarding?

As far as I'm concerned we have to fight fire with fire. Now, with that being said I'm going with General Mattis. I'm going with my secretary because I think Pompeo's gonna be phenomenal. I'm gonna go with what they say. But I have spoken as recently as 24 hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence. And I asked them the question, "Does it work? Does torture work?" And the answer was, "Yes, absolutely."

DAVID MUIR: You're now the president. Do you want waterboarding?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't want people to chop off the citizens or anybody's heads in the Middle East. Okay? Because they're Christian or Muslim or anything else. I don't want -- look, you are old enough to have seen a time that was much different. You never saw heads chopped off until a few years ago.

Now they chop 'em off and they put 'em on camera and they send 'em all over the world. So we have that and we're not allowed to do anything. We're not playing on an even field. I will say this, I will rely on Pompeo and Mattis and my group. And if they don't wanna do, that's fine. If they do wanna do, then I will work for that end.

I wanna do everything within the bounds of what you're allowed to do legally. But do I feel it works? Absolutely I feel it works. Have I spoken to people at the top levels and people that have seen it work? I haven't seen it work. But I think it works. Have I spoken to people that feel strongly about it? Absolutely.

DAVID MUIR: So, you'd be okay with it as ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I wanna keep ...

DAVID MUIR: ... president?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... no, I wanna -- I will rely on General Mattis. And I'm gonna rely on those two people and others. And if they don't wanna do it, it's 100 percent okay with me. Do I think it works? Absolutely.
Over vluchtelingen, Moslims, Midden Oosten, "we should have taken the oil", want dan had ISIS niet ontstaan...
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I wanna ask you about refugees. You're about to sign a sweeping executive action to suspend immigration to this country.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Right.

DAVID MUIR: Who are we talking about? Is this the Muslim ban?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're talking about -- no it's not the Muslim ban. But it's countries that have tremendous terror. It's countries that we're going to be spelling out in a little while in the same speech. And it's countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems. Our country has enough problems without allowing people to come in who, in many cases or in some cases, are looking to do tremendous destruction.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You look at what's happening ...

DAVID MUIR: Which countries are we talking about?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... you'll be hearing about it in two hours because I have a whole list. You'll be very thrilled. You're looking at people that come in, in many cases, in some cases with evil intentions. I don't want that. They're ISIS. They're coming under false pretense. I don't want that.

I'm gonna be the president of a safe country. We have enough problems. Now I'll absolutely do safe zones in Syria for the people. I think that Europe has made a tremendous mistake by allowing these millions of people to go into Germany and various other countries. And all you have to do is take a look. It's -- it's a disaster what's happening over there.

I don't want that to happen here. Now with that being said, President Obama and Hillary Clinton have, and Kerry have allowed tens of thousands of people into our country. The FBI is now investigating more people than ever before having to do with terror. They -- and it's from the group of people that came in. So look, look, our country has a lot of problems. Believe me. I know what the problems are even better than you do. They're deep problems, they're serious problems. We don't need more.

DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you about some of the countries that won't be on the list, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia. Why are we going to allow people to come into this country ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You're going to see -- you're going to see. We're going to have extreme vetting in all cases. And I mean extreme. And we're not letting people in if we think there's even a little chance of some problem.

DAVID MUIR: Are you at all ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We are excluding certain countries. But for other countries we're gonna have extreme vetting. It's going to be very hard to come in. Right now it's very easy to come in. It's gonna be very, very hard. I don't want terror in this country. You look at what happened in San Bernardino. You look at what happened all over. You look at what happened in the World Trade Center. Okay, I mean, take that as an example.

DAVID MUIR: Are you at all ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... concerned -- are you at all concerned it's going to cause more anger among Muslims ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Anger?

DAVID MUIR: ... the world?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: There's plenty of anger right now. How can you have more?

DAVID MUIR: You don't think it'll ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Look, David ...

DAVID MUIR: ... exacerbate the problem?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... David, I mean, I know you're a sophisticated guy. The world is a mess. The world is as angry as it gets. What? You think this is gonna cause a little more anger? The world is an angry place. All of this has happened. We went into Iraq. We shouldn't have gone into Iraq. We shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out.

The world is a total mess. Take a look at what's happening with Aleppo. Take a look what's happening in Mosul. Take a look what's going on in the Middle East. And people are fleeing and they're going into Europe and all over the place. The world is a mess, David.

DAVID MUIR: You brought up Iraq and something you said that could affect American troops in recent days. You said, "We should've kept the oil but okay maybe we'll have another chance." What did you mean by that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, we should've kept the oil when we got out. And, you know, it's very interesting, had we taken the oil, you wouldn't have ISIS because they fuel themselves with the oil. That's where they got the money. They got the money from leaving -- when we left, we left Iraq, which wasn't a government. It's not a government now.

And by the way, and I said something else, if we go in and do this. You have two nations, Iraq and Iran. And they were essentially the same military strength. And they'd fight for decades and decades. They'd fight forever. And they'd keep fighting and it would go -- it was just a way of life. We got in, we decapitated one of those nations, Iraq. I said, "Iran is taking over Iraq." That's essentially what happened.

DAVID MUIR: So, you believe we can go in and take the oil.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should have taken the oil. You wouldn't have ISIS if we took the oil. Now I wasn't talking about it from the standpoint of ISIS because the way we got out was horrible. We created a vacuum and ISIS formed. But had we taken the oil something else would've very good happened. They would not have been able to fuel their rather unbelievable drive to destroy large portions of the world.

DAVID MUIR: You've heard the critics who say that would break all international law, taking the oil. But I wanna get to the words ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... that you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Wait, wait, can you believe that? Who are the critics who say that? Fools.

DAVID MUIR: Let, let me ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't call them critics. I call them fools.

DAVID MUIR: ... let me talk about your words ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should've kept -- excuse me. We should've taken the oil. And if we took the oil you wouldn't have ISIS. And we would have had wealth. We have spent right now $6 trillion in the Middle East. And our country is falling apart.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Our roads -- excuse me. Our roads, our bridges, our schools, it's falling apart. We have spent as of one month ago $6 trillion in the Middle East. And in our country we can't afford to build a school in Brooklyn or we can't afford to build a school in Los Angeles. And we can't afford to fix up our inner cities. We can't afford to do anything. Look, it's time. It's been our longest war. We've been in there for 15, 16 years. Nobody even knows what the date is because they don't really know when did we start. But it's time. It's time.

DAVID MUIR: What got my attention, Mr. President, was when you said, "Maybe we'll have another chance."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, don't let it get your attention too much because we'll see what happens. I mean, we're gonna see what happens. You know, I told you and I told everybody else that wants to talk when it comes to the military I don't wanna discuss things.

I wanna let -- I wanna let the action take place before the talk takes place. I watched in Mosul when a number of months ago generals and politicians would get up and say, "We're going into Mosul in four months." Then they'd say, "We're going in in three months, two months, one month. We're going in next week."

Okay, and I kept saying to myself, "Gee, why do they have to keep talking about going in?" All right, so now they go in and it is tough because they're giving the enemy all this time to prepare. I don't wanna do a lot of talking on the military. I wanna talk after it's finished, not before it starts.
Over Obamacare:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you, Mr. President, about another promise involving Obamacare to repeal it. And you told The Washington Post that your plan to replace Obamacare will include insurance for everybody. That sounds an awful lot like universal coverage.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It's going to be -- what my plan is is that I wanna take care of everybody. I'm not gonna leave the lower 20 percent that can't afford insurance. Just so you understand people talk about Obamacare. And I told the Republicans this, the best thing we could do is nothing for two years, let it explode. And then we'll go in and we'll do a new plan and -- and the Democrats will vote for it. Believe me.

Because this year you'll have 150 percent increases. Last year in Arizona 116 perecent increase, Minnesota 60 some-odd percent increase. And I told them, except for one problem, I wanna get it fixed. The best thing I could do as the leader of this country-- but as wanting to get something approved with support of the Democrats, if I didn't do anything for two years they'd be begging me to do something. But I don't wanna do that. So just so you unders-- Obamacare is a disaster.

It's too expensive. It's horrible health care. It doesn't cover what you have to cover. It's a disaster. You know it and I know it. And I said to the Republican folks-- and they're terrific folks, Mitch and Paul Ryan, I said, "Look, if you go fast -- and I'm okay in doing it because it's the right thing to do. We wanna get good coverage at much less cost." I said, "If you go fast we then own Obamacare. They're gonna put it on us. And Obamacare is a disaster waiting to explode. If you sit back and let it explode it's gonna be much easier." That's the thing to do. But the right thing to do is to get something done now.

DAVID MUIR: But you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: So I wanna make sure that nobody's dying on the streets when I'm president. Nobody's gonna be dying on the streets. We will unleash something that's gonna be terrific. And remember this, before Obamacare you had a lot of people that were very, very happy with their health care.

And now those people in many cases don't even have health care. They don't even have anything that's acceptable to them. Remember this, keep your doctor, keep your plan, 100 percent. Remember the $5 billion website? Remember the website fiasco. I mean, you do admit that I think, right? The website fiasco.

Obamacare is a disaster. We are going to come up with a new plan ideally not an amended plan because right now if you look at the pages they're this high. We're gonna come up with a new plan that's going to be better health care for more people at a lesser cost.

DAVID MUIR: Last question because I know you're gonna show me around the White House. Last question on this. You've seen the estimate that 18 million Americans could lose their health insurance if Obamacare is repealed and there is no replacement. Can you assure those Americans watching this right now that they will not lose their health insurance or end up with anything less?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: So nobody ever deducts all the people that have already lost their health insurance that liked it. You had millions of people that liked their health insurance and their health care and their doctor and where they went. You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.

DAVID MUIR: I'm just asking about the people ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, no.

DAVID MUIR: ... who are nervous and watching ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We ...

DAVID MUIR: ... you for reassurance.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... here's what I can assure you, we are going to have a better plan, much better health care, much better service treatment, a plan where you can have access to the doctor that you want and the plan that you want. We're gonna have a much better health care plan at much less money.

And remember Obamacare is ready to explode. And you interviewed me a couple of years ago. I said '17 -- right now, this year, "'17 is going to be a disaster." I'm very good at this stuff. "'17 is going to be a disaster cost-wise for Obamacare. It's going to explode in '17."

And why not? Obama's a smart guy. So let it all come do because that's what's happening. It's all coming do in '17. We're gonna have an explosion. And to do it right, sit back, let it explode and let the Democrats come begging us to help them because it's on them. But I don't wanna do that. I wanna give great health care at a much lower cost.

DAVID MUIR: So, no one who has this health insurance through Obamacare will lose it or end up ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You know, when you ...

DAVID MUIR: ... with anything less?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... say no one I think no one. Ideally, in the real world, you’re talking about millions of people. Will no one. And then, you know, knowing ABC, you'll have this one person on television saying how they were hurt. Okay. We want no one. We want the answer to be no one.

But I will say millions of people will be happy. Right now you have millions and millions and millions of people that are unhappy. It's too expensive and it's no good. And the governor of Minnesota who unfortunately had a very, very sad incident yesterday 'cause he's a very nice guy but -- a couple of months ago he said that the Affordable Care Act is no longer affordable.

He's a staunch Democrat. Very strong Democrat. He said it's no longer affordable. He made that statement. And Bill Clinton on the campaign trail -- and he probably had a bad night that night when he went home -- but he said, "Obamacare is crazy. It's crazy." And you know what, they were both right.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, thank you.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
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Goed niveau
*wijst naar Trump* HIJ BEGON!! :P
antiderivativedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 16:22
Vergeten gisteren te plaatsen, de E.O.:

EXECUTIVE ORDER

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BORDER SECURITY AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IMPROVEMENTS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq.) (INA), the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (Public Law 109 367) (Secure Fence Act), and the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Public Law 104 208 Div. C) (IIRIRA), and in order to ensure the safety and territorial integrity of the United States as well as to ensure that the Nation's immigration laws are faithfully executed, I hereby order as follows:

Section 1. Purpose. Border security is critically important to the national security of the United States. Aliens who illegally enter the United States without inspection or admission present a significant threat to national security and public safety. Such aliens have not been identified or inspected by Federal immigration officers to determine their admissibility to the United States. The recent surge of illegal immigration at the southern border with Mexico has placed a significant strain on Federal resources and overwhelmed agencies charged with border security and immigration enforcement, as well as the local communities into which many of the aliens are placed.

Transnational criminal organizations operate sophisticated drug- and human-trafficking networks and smuggling operations on both sides of the southern border, contributing to a significant increase in violent crime and United States deaths from dangerous drugs. Among those who illegally enter are those who seek to harm Americans through acts of terror or criminal conduct. Continued illegal immigration presents a clear and present danger to the interests of the United States.

Federal immigration law both imposes the responsibility and provides the means for the Federal Government, in cooperation with border States, to secure the Nation's southern border. Although Federal immigration law provides a robust framework for Federal-State partnership in enforcing our immigration laws and the Congress has authorized and provided appropriations to secure our borders the Federal Government has failed to discharge this basic sovereign responsibility. The purpose of this order is to direct executive departments and agencies (agencies) to deploy all lawful means to secure the Nation's southern border, to prevent further illegal immigration into the United States, and to repatriate illegal aliens swiftly, consistently, and humanely.

Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the executive branch to:

(a) secure the southern border of the United States through the immediate construction of a physical wall on the southern border, monitored and supported by adequate personnel so as to prevent illegal immigration, drug and human trafficking, and acts of terrorism;

(b) detain individuals apprehended on suspicion of violating Federal or State law, including Federal immigration law, pending further proceedings regarding those violations;

(c) expedite determinations of apprehended individuals' claims of eligibility to remain in the United States;

(d) remove promptly those individuals whose legal claims to remain in the United States have been lawfully rejected, after any appropriate civil or criminal sanctions have been imposed; and

(e) cooperate fully with States and local law enforcement in enacting Federal-State partnerships to enforce Federal immigration priorities, as well as State monitoring and detention programs that are consistent with Federal law and do not undermine Federal immigration priorities.

Sec. 3. Definitions. (a) "Asylum officer" has the meaning given the term in section 235(b)(1)(E) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1225(b)(1)).

(b) "Southern border" shall mean the contiguous land border between the United States and Mexico, including all points of entry.

(c) "Border States" shall mean the States of the United States immediately adjacent to the contiguous land border between the United States and Mexico.

(d) Except as otherwise noted, "the Secretary" shall refer to the Secretary of Homeland Security.

(e) "Wall" shall mean a contiguous, physical wall or other similarly secure, contiguous, and impassable physical barrier.

(f) "Executive department" shall have the meaning given in section 101 of title 5, United States Code.

(g) "Regulations" shall mean any and all Federal rules, regulations, and directives lawfully promulgated by agencies.

(h) "Operational control" shall mean the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband.

Sec. 4. Physical Security of the Southern Border of the United States. The Secretary shall immediately take the following steps to obtain complete operational control, as determined by the Secretary, of the southern border:

(a) In accordance with existing law, including the Secure Fence Act and IIRIRA, take all appropriate steps to immediately plan, design, and construct a physical wall along the southern border, using appropriate materials and technology to most effectively achieve complete operational control of the southern border;

(b) Identify and, to the extent permitted by law, allocate all sources of Federal funds for the planning, designing, and constructing of a physical wall along the southern border;

(c) Project and develop long-term funding requirements for the wall, including preparing Congressional budget requests for the current and upcoming fiscal years; and

(d) Produce a comprehensive study of the security of the southern border, to be completed within 180 days of this order, that shall include the current state of southern border security, all geophysical and topographical aspects of the southern border, the availability of Federal and State resources necessary to achieve complete operational control of the southern border, and a strategy to obtain and maintain complete operational control of the southern border.

Sec. 5. Detention Facilities. (a) The Secretary shall take all appropriate action and allocate all legally available resources to immediately construct, operate, control, or establish contracts to construct, operate, or control facilities to detain aliens at or near the land border with Mexico.

(b) The Secretary shall take all appropriate action and allocate all legally available resources to immediately assign asylum officers to immigration detention facilities for the purpose of accepting asylum referrals and conducting credible fear determinations pursuant to section 235(b)(1) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1225(b)(1)) and applicable regulations and reasonable fear determinations pursuant to applicable regulations.

(c) The Attorney General shall take all appropriate action and allocate all legally available resources to immediately assign immigration judges to immigration detention facilities operated or controlled by the Secretary, or operated or controlled pursuant to contract by the Secretary, for the purpose of conducting proceedings authorized under title 8, chapter 12, subchapter II, United States Code.

Sec. 6. Detention for Illegal Entry. The Secretary shall immediately take all appropriate actions to ensure the detention of aliens apprehended for violations of immigration law pending the outcome of their removal proceedings or their removal from the country to the extent permitted by law. The Secretary shall issue new policy guidance to all Department of Homeland Security personnel regarding the appropriate and consistent use of lawful detention authority under the INA, including the termination of the practice commonly known as "catch and release," whereby aliens are routinely released in the United States shortly after their apprehension for violations of immigration law.

Sec. 7. Return to Territory. The Secretary shall take appropriate action, consistent with the requirements of section 1232 of title 8, United States Code, to ensure that aliens described in section 235(b)(2)(C) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1225(b)(2)(C)) are returned to the territory from which they came pending a formal removal proceeding.

Sec. 8. Additional Border Patrol Agents. Subject to available appropriations, the Secretary, through the Commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, shall take all appropriate action to hire 5,000 additional Border Patrol agents, and all appropriate action to ensure that such agents enter on duty and are assigned to duty stations as soon as is practicable.

Sec. 9. Foreign Aid Reporting Requirements. The head of each executive department and agency shall identify and quantify all sources of direct and indirect Federal aid or assistance to the Government of Mexico on an annual basis over the past five years, including all bilateral and multilateral development aid, economic assistance, humanitarian aid, and military aid. Within 30 days of the date of this order, the head of each executive department and agency shall submit this information to the Secretary of State. Within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretary shall submit to the President a consolidated report reflecting the levels of such aid and assistance that has been provided annually, over each of the past five years.

Sec. 10. Federal-State Agreements. It is the policy of the executive branch to empower State and local law enforcement agencies across the country to perform the functions of an immigration officer in the interior of the United States to the maximum extent permitted by law.

(a) In furtherance of this policy, the Secretary shall immediately take appropriate action to engage with the Governors of the States, as well as local officials, for the purpose of preparing to enter into agreements under section 287(g) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1357(g)).

(b) To the extent permitted by law, and with the consent of State or local officials, as appropriate, the Secretary shall take appropriate action, through agreements under section 287(g) of the INA, or otherwise, to authorize State and local law enforcement officials, as the Secretary determines are qualified and appropriate, to perform the functions of immigration officers in relation to the investigation, apprehension, or detention of aliens in the United States under the direction and the supervision of the Secretary. Such authorization shall be in addition to, rather than in place of, Federal performance of these duties.

(c) To the extent permitted by law, the Secretary may structure each agreement under section 287(g) of the INA in the manner that provides the most effective model for enforcing Federal immigration laws and obtaining operational control over the border for that jurisdiction.

Sec. 11. Parole, Asylum, and Removal. It is the policy of the executive branch to end the abuse of parole and asylum provisions currently used to prevent the lawful removal of removable aliens.

(a) The Secretary shall immediately take all appropriate action to ensure that the parole and asylum provisions of Federal immigration law are not illegally exploited to prevent the removal of otherwise removable aliens.

(b) The Secretary shall take all appropriate action, including by promulgating any appropriate regulations, to ensure that asylum referrals and credible fear determinations pursuant to section 235(b)(1) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1125(b)(1)) and 8 CFR 208.30, and reasonable fear determinations pursuant to 8 CFR 208.31, are conducted in a manner consistent with the plain language of those provisions.

(c) Pursuant to section 235(b)(1)(A)(iii)(I) of the INA, the Secretary shall take appropriate action to apply, in his sole and unreviewable discretion, the provisions of section 235(b)(1)(A)i and (ii) of the INA to the aliens designated under section 235(b)(1)(A)(iii)(II).

(d) The Secretary shall take appropriate action to ensure that parole authority under section 212(d)(5) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1182(d)(5)) is exercised only on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the plain language of the statute, and in all circumstances only when an individual demonstrates urgent humanitarian reasons or a significant public benefit derived from such parole.

(e) The Secretary shall take appropriate action to require that all Department of Homeland Security personnel are properly trained on the proper application of section 235 of the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 (8 U.S.C. 1232) and section 462(g)(2) of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 279(g)(2)), to ensure that unaccompanied alien children are properly processed, receive appropriate care and placement while in the custody of the Department of Homeland Security, and, when appropriate, are safely repatriated in accordance with law.

Sec. 12. Authorization to Enter Federal Lands. The Secretary, in conjunction with the Secretary of the Interior and any other heads of agencies as necessary, shall take all appropriate action to:

(a) permit all officers and employees of the United States, as well as all State and local officers as authorized by the Secretary, to have access to all Federal lands as necessary and appropriate to implement this order; and

(b) enable those officers and employees of the United States, as well as all State and local officers as authorized by the Secretary, to perform such actions on Federal lands as the Secretary deems necessary and appropriate to implement this order.

Sec. 13. Priority Enforcement. The Attorney General shall take all appropriate steps to establish prosecution guidelines and allocate appropriate resources to ensure that Federal prosecutors accord a high priority to prosecutions of offenses having a nexus to the southern border.

Sec. 14. Government Transparency. The Secretary shall, on a monthly basis and in a publicly available way, report statistical data on aliens apprehended at or near the southern border using a uniform method of reporting by all Department of Homeland Security components, in a format that is easily understandable by the public.

Sec. 15. Reporting. Except as otherwise provided in this order, the Secretary, within 90 days of the date of this order, and the Attorney General, within 180 days, shall each submit to the President a report on the progress of the directives contained in this order.

Sec. 16. Hiring. The Office of Personnel Management shall take appropriate action as may be necessary to facilitate hiring personnel to implement this order.

Sec. 17. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

i the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 25, 2017.
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(e) "Wall" shall mean a contiguous, physical wall or other similarly secure, contiguous, and impassable physical barrier.
Zoals een hek?
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Zoals een hek?
Of Ton Elias.
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Of Ton Elias.
Hij is wel vrij.
Redonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 16:48
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Transcript van Trump's interview met ABC:
Intro:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, it's an honor to be here at the White House.
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you very much, David.
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you, has the magnitude of this job hit you yet?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: It has periodically hit me. And it is a tremendous magnitude. And where you really see it is when you're talking to the generals about problems in the world. And we do have problems in the world. Big problems. The business also hits because the -- the size of it. The size.

I was with the Ford yesterday. And with General Motors yesterday. The top representatives, great people. And they're gonna do some tremendous work in the United States. They're gonna build plants back in the United States. But when you see the size, even as a businessman, the size of the investment that these big companies are gonna make, it hits you even in that regard. But we're gonna bring jobs back to America, like I promised on the campaign trail.

DAVID MUIR: And we're gonna get to it all right here.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Good.
Over Mexico, the wall, deportaties..:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I want to start -- we're five days in. And your campaign promises. I know today you plan on signing the order to build the wall.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Correct.

DAVID MUIR: Are you going to direct U.S. funds to pay for this wall? Will American taxpayers pay for the wall?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Ultimately it'll come out of what's happening with Mexico. We're gonna be starting those negotiations relatively soon. And we will be in a form reimbursed by Mexico which I will say ...

DAVID MUIR: So, they'll pay us back?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yeah, absolutely, 100 percent.

DAVID MUIR: So, the American taxpayer will pay for the wall at first?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: All it is, is we'll be reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from Mexico. Now, I could wait a year and I could hold off the wall. But I wanna build the wall. We have to build the wall. We have to stop drugs from pouring in. We have to stop people from just pouring into our country. We have no idea where they're from. And I campaigned on the wall. And it's very important. But that wall will cost us nothing.

DAVID MUIR: But you talked -- often about Mexico paying for the wall. And you, again, say they'll pay us back. Mexico's president said in recent days that Mexico absolutely will not pay, adding that, "It goes against our dignity as a country and our dignity as Mexicans." He says ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: David, he has to say that. He has to say that. But I'm just telling you there will be a payment. It will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form. And you have to understand what I'm doing is good for the United States. It's also going to be good for Mexico.

We wanna have a very stable, very solid Mexico. Even more solid than it is right now. And they need it also. Lots of things are coming across Mexico that they don't want. I think it's going to be a good thing for both countries. And I think the relationship will be better than ever before.

You know, when we had a prisoner in Mexico, as you know, two years ago, that we were trying to get out. And Mexico was not helping us, I will tell you, those days are over. I think we're gonna end up with a much better relationship with Mexico. We will have the wall and in a very serious form Mexico will pay for the wall.

DAVID MUIR: What are you gonna say to some of your supporters who might say, "Wait a minute, I thought Mexico was going to pay for this right at the start."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I'd say very simply that they are going to pay for it. I never said they're gonna pay from the start. I said Mexico will pay for the wall. But what I will tell my supporters is, "Would you like me to wait two years or three years before I make this deal?" Because we have to make a deal on NAFTA. We have to make a new trade deal with Mexico because we're getting clobbered.

We have a $60-billion trade deficit. So, if you want, I can wait two years and then we can do it nice and easily. I wanna start the wall immediately. Every supporter I have -- I have had so many people calling and tweeting and -- and writing letters saying they're so happy about it. I wanna start the wall. We will be reimbursed for the wall.

DAVID MUIR: When does construction begin?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: As soon as we can. As soon as we can physically do it. We're ...

DAVID MUIR: Within months?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would say in months. Yeah, I would say in months. Certainly planning is starting immediately.

DAVID MUIR: People feel ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We'll be having some really good, really solid plans within a short period of time.

DAVID MUIR: When people learn of the news of this wall today there are gonna be a lot of people listening to this. And I wanna ask about undocumented immigrants who are here -- in this country. Right now they're protected as so-called dreamers -- the children who were brought here, as you know, by their parents. Should they be worried -- that they could be deported? And is there anything you can say to assure them right now that they'll be allowed to stay?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: They shouldn't be very worried. They are here illegally. They shouldn't be very worried. I do have a big heart. We're going to take care of everybody. We're going to have a very strong border. We're gonna have a very solid border. Where you have great people that are here that have done a good job, they should be far less worried. We'll be coming out with policy on that over the next period of four weeks.

DAVID MUIR: But Mr. President, will they be allowed to stay?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I'm gonna tell you over the next four weeks. But I will tell you, we're looking at this, the whole immigration situation, we're looking at it with great heart. Now we have criminals that are here. We have really bad people that are here. Those people have to be worried 'cause they're getting out. We're gonna get them out. We're gonna get 'em out fast. General Kelly is -- I've given that as his number one priority.

DAVID MUIR: Senator Jeff Sessions, your pick for attorney general, as you know during his confirmation hearing said that ending DACA, this is President Obama's policy protecting the dreamers -- that, "Ending it certainly would be constitutional." That you could end the protection of these dreamers. Is that a possibility?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna be talking with -- attorney general. He will soon be the attorney general. He's done fantastically well. We're all very proud of him. I thought he was treated very, very unfairly. He's a brilliant man and he's a very good man. He'll do a fantastic job. I'll be speaking to him as soon as he's affirmed.

DAVID MUIR: So, it's a possibility.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We will be talking to the attorney general.
Over the popular vote en 3 tot 5 miljoen illegale stemmen:
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DAVID MUIR: I wanna ask you about something you said this week right here at the White House. You brought in congressional leaders to the White House. You spoke at length about the presidential election with them -- telling them that you lost the popular vote because of millions of illegal votes, 3 to 5 million illegal votes. That would be the biggest electoral fraud in American history. Where is the evidence of that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: So, let me tell you first of all, it was so misrepresented. That was supposed to be a confidential meeting. And you weren't supposed to go out and talk to the press as soon as you -- but the Democrats viewed it not as a confidential meeting.

DAVID MUIR: But you have tweeted ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... about the millions of illegals ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure. And I do -- and I'm very ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... and I mean it. But just so you -- it was supposed to be a confidential meeting. They turned it into not a con... Number two, the conversation lasted for about a minute. They made it -- somebody said it was, like, 25 percent of the ... It wasn't. It was hardly even discussed.

I said it. And I said it strongly because what's going on with voter fraud is horrible. That's number one. Number two, I would've won the popular vote if I was campaigning for the popular vote. I would've gone to California where I didn't go at all. I would've gone to New York where I didn't campaign at all.

I would've gone to a couple of places that I didn't go to. And I would've won that much easier than winning the electoral college. But as you know, the electoral college is all that matters. It doesn't make any difference. So, I would've won very, very easily. But it's a different form of winning. You would campaign much differently. You would have a totally different campaign. So, but ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... you're just asking a question. I would've easily won the popular vote, much easier, in my opinion, than winning the electoral college. I ended up going to 19 different states. I went to the state of Maine four times for one. I needed one.

I went to M-- I got it, by the way. But it turned out I didn't need it because we ended up winning by a massive amount, 306. I needed 270. We got 306. You and everybody said, "There's no way you get to 270." I mean, your network said and almost everybody said, "There's no way you can get to ..." So, I went to Maine four times. I went to various places. And that's the beauty of the electoral college. With that being said, if you look at voter registration, you look at the dead people that are registered to vote who vote, you look at people that are registered in two states, you look at all of these different things that are happening with registration. You take a look at those registration for -- you're gonna s-- find -- and we're gonna do an investigation on it.

DAVID MUIR: But 3 to 5 million illegal votes?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, we're gonna find out. But it could very well be that much. Absolutely.

DAVID MUIR: But ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: But we're gonna find out.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: In fact, I heard one of the other side, they were saying it's not 3 to 5. It's not 3 to 5. I said, "Well, Mr. Trump is talking about registration, tell--" He said, "You know we don't wanna talk about registration." They don't wanna talk about registration.

You have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. You have people registered in two states. They're registered in a New York and a New Jersey. They vote twice. There are millions of votes, in my opinion. Now ...

DAVID MUIR: But again ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I'm doing an ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... investigation. David, David, David ...

DAVID MUIR: You’re now, you’re now president of the United States when you say ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Of course, and I want the voting process to be legitimate.

DAVID MUIR: But what I'm asking ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: The people that ...

DAVID MUIR: ... what I'm asking that -- when you say in your opinion millions of illegal votes, that is something that is extremely fundamental to our functioning democracy, a fair and free election.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure. Sure. Sure.

DAVID MUIR: You say you're gonna launch an investigation.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure, done.

DAVID MUIR: What you have presented so far has been debunked. It's been called ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... false.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, it hasn't. Take a look at the Pew reports.

DAVID MUIR: I called the author of the Pew report last night. And he told me that they found no evidence of voter ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... fraud.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Really? Then why did he write the report?

DAVID MUIR: He said no evidence of voter fraud.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Excuse me, then why did he write the report?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: According to Pew report, then he's -- then he's groveling again. You know, I always talk about the reporters that grovel when they wanna write something that you wanna hear but not necessarily millions of people wanna hear or have to hear.

DAVID MUIR: So, you’ve launched an investigation?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna launch an investigation to find out. And then the next time -- and I will say this, of those votes cast, none of 'em come to me. None of 'em come to me. They would all be for the other side. None of 'em come to me. But when you look at the people that are registered: dead, illegal and two states and some cases maybe three states -- we have a lot to look into.

DAVID MUIR: House Speaker Paul Ryan has said, "I have seen no evidence. I have made this very, very clear." Senator Lindsey Graham saying, "It's the most inappropriate thing for a president to say without proof. He seems obsessed with the idea that he could not have possibly lost the popular vote without cheating and fraud." I wanna ask you about something bigger here. Does it matter more now ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: There's nothing bigger. There's nothing bigger.

DAVID MUIR: But it is important because ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Let me just tell you, you know what's important, millions of people agree with me when I say that if you would’ve looked on one of the other networks and all of the people that were calling in they're saying, "We agree with Mr. Trump. We agree." They're very smart people.

The people that voted for me -- lots of people are saying they saw things happen. I heard stories also. But you're not talking about millions. But it's a small little segment. I will tell you, it's a good thing that we're doing because at the end we're gonna have an idea as to what's going on. Now, you're telling me Pew report has all of a sudden changed. But you have other reports and you have other statements. You take a look at the registrations, how many dead people are there? Take a look at the registrations as to the other things that I already presented.

DAVID MUIR: And you're saying ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And you're gonna find ...

DAVID MUIR: ... those people who are on the rolls voted, that there are millions of illegal votes?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I didn't say there are millions. But I think there could very well be millions of people. That's right.

DAVID MUIR: You tweeted though ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And I also say this ...

DAVID MUIR: ... you tweeted, "If you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally, I won the popular vote."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: David, and I also say this, if I was going for the popular vote I would've won easily. But I would've been in California and New York. I wouldn't have been in Maine. I wouldn't have been in Iowa. I wouldn't have been in Nebraska and all of those states that I had to win in order to win this. I would've been in New York, I would've been in California. I never even went there.

DAVID MUIR: Let me just ask you, you did win. You're the president. You're sitting ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: That’s true.

DAVID MUIR: ... across from me right now.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: That's true.

DAVID MUIR: Do you think that your words matter more now?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yes, very much.

DAVID MUIR: Do you think that that talking about millions of illegal votes is dangerous to this country without presenting the evidence?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, not at all.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Not at all because many people feel the same way that I do. And ...

DAVID MUIR: You don't think it undermines your credibility if there’s no evidence?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, not at all because they didn't come to me. Believe me. Those were Hillary votes. And if you look at it they all voted for Hillary. They all voted for Hillary. They didn't vote for me. I don't believe I got one. Okay, these are people that voted for Hillary Clinton. And if they didn't vote, it would've been different in the popular.

Now, you have to understand I -- I focused on those four or five states that I had to win. Maybe she didn't. She should've gone to Michigan. She thought she had it in the bag. She should've gone to Wisconsin, she thought she had it because you're talking about 38 years of, you know, Democrat wins. But they didn't. I went to Michigan, I went to Wisconsin. I went to Pennsylvania all the time. I went to all of the states that are -- Florida and North Carolina. That's all I focused on.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, it does strike me though that we're relitigating the presidential campaign, the election ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, no. We're looking at it for the next time. No, no, you have to understand, I had a tremendous victory, one of the great victories ever. In terms of counties I think the most ever or just about the most ever. When you look at a map it's all red. Red meaning us, Republicans.

One of the greatest victories ever. But, again, I ran for the electoral college. I didn't run for the popular vote. What I'm saying is if there are these problems that many people agree with me that there might be. Look, Barack Obama -- if you look back -- eight years ago when he first ran -- he was running for office in Chicago for we needed Chicago vote.

And he was laughing at the system because he knew all of those votes were going to him. You look at Philadelphia, you look at what's going on in Philadelphia. But take a look at the tape of Barack Obama who wrote me, by the way, a very beautiful letter in the drawer of the desk. Very beautiful. And I appreciate it. But look at what he said, it's on tape. Look at what he said about voting in Chicago eight years ago. It's not changed. It hasn't changed, believe me. Chicago, look what's going on in Chicago. It's only gotten worse.

But he was smiling and laughing about the vote in Chicago. Now, once he became president he didn't do that. All of a sudden it became this is the foundation of our country. So, here's the point, you have a lot of stuff going on possibly. I say probably. But possibly. We're gonna get to the bottom of it.

And then we're gonna make sure it doesn't happen again. If people are registered wrongly, if illegals are registered to vote, which they are, if dead people are registered to vote and voting, which they do. There are some. I don't know how many. We're gonna try finding that out and the other categories that we talk about, double states where they're -- registered in two states, we're gonna get to the bottom of it because we have to stop it. Because I agree, so important. But the other side is trying to downplay this. Now, I'll say this -- I think that if that didn't happen, first of all, would -- would be a great thing if it didn't happen. But I believe it did happen. And I believe a part of the vote would've been much different.

DAVID MUIR: And you believe millions of illegal votes ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, we're gonna find out.

DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you this ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna find out. And -- and, by the way, when I say you're gonna find out. You can never really find, you know, there are gonna be -- no matter what numbers we come up with there are gonna be lots of people that did things that we're not going to find out about. But we will find out because we need a better system where that can't happen.
Over z'n speech bij de CIA (en over de media...):
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I just have one more question on this. And it's -- it's bigger picture. You took some heat after your visit to the CIA in front of that hallowed wall, 117 stars -- of those lost at the CIA. You talked about other things. But you also talked about crowd size at the inauguration, about the size of your rallies, about covers on Time magazine. And I just wanna ask you when does all of that matter just a little less? When do you let it roll off your back now that you're the president?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: OK, so I'm glad you asked. So, I went to the CIA, my first step. I have great respect for the people in intelligence and CIA. I'm -- I don't have a lot of respect for, in particular one of the leaders. But that's okay. But I have a lot of respect for the people in the CIA.

That speech was a home run. That speech, if you look at Fox, OK, I'll mention you -- we see what Fox said. They said it was one of the great speeches. They showed the people applauding and screaming and -- and they were all CIA. There was -- somebody was asking Sean -- "Well, were they Trump people that were put--" we don't have Trump people. They were CIA people.

That location was given to me. Mike Pence went up before me, paid great homage to the wall. I then went up, paid great homage to the wall. I then spoke to the crowd. I got a standing ovation. In fact, they said it was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl and they said it was equal. I got a standing ovation. It lasted for a long period of time. What you do is take -- take out your tape -- you probably ran it live. I know when I do good speeches. I know when I do bad speeches. That speech was a total home run. They loved it. I could've ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... gotten ...

DAVID MUIR: You would give the same speech if you went back ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Absolutely.

DAVID MUIR: ... in front of that wall?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: People loved it. They loved it. They gave me a standing ovation for a long period of time. They never even sat down, most of them, during the speech. There was love in the room. You and other networks covered it very inaccurately. I hate to say this to you and you probably won't put it on but turn on Fox and see how it was covered. And see how people respond to that speech.

That speech was a good speech. And you and a couple of other networks tried to downplay that speech. And it was very, very unfortunate that you did. The people of the CIA loved the speech. If I was going to take a vote in that room, there were, like, 300, 350 people, over 1,000 wanted to be there but they couldn't. They were all CIA people. I would say I would've gotten 350 to nothing in that room. That's what the vote would've been. That speech was a big hit, a big success -- success. And then I came back and I watched you on television and a couple of others.

DAVID MUIR: Not me personally.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And they tried to demean. Excuse me?

DAVID MUIR: Not me personally.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Not you personally but your network -- and they tried to demean the speech. And I know when things are good or bad. A poll just came out on my inauguration speech which was extraordinary that people loved it. Loved and liked. And it was an extraordinary poll.

DAVID MUIR: I guess that's what I'm getting at. You talked about the poll, the people loving your inaugural speech and the size of your ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, because you bring it up.

DAVID MUIR: I'm asking, well, on day one you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, you just brought it up. I didn't bring it up. I didn't wanna -- talk about the inauguration speech. But I think I did a very good job and people really liked it. You saw the poll. Just came out this morning. You bring it up. I didn't bring it up.

DAVID MUIR: So, polls and crowd size and covers on Time, those still matter now that you're here as president.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, you keep bringing it up. I had a massive amount of people here. They were showing pictures that were very unflattering, as unflattering -- from certain angles -- that were taken early and lots of other things. I'll show you a picture later if you’d like of a massive crowd.

In terms of a total audience including television and everything else that you have we had supposedly the biggest crowd in history. The audience watching the show. And I think you would even agree to that. They say I had the biggest crowd in the history of inaugural speeches. I'm honored by that. But I didn't bring it up. You just brought it up.

DAVID MUIR: See, I -- I'm not interested in the inaugural crowd size. I think the American people can look at images side by side and decide for themselves. I am curious about the first full day here at the White House, choosing to send the press secretary out into the briefing room, summoning reporters to talk about the inaugural crowd size. Does that send a message to the American people that that's -- that's more important than some of the very pressing issues?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Part of my whole victory was that the men and women of this country who have been forgotten will never be forgotten again. Part of that is when they try and demean me unfairly 'cause we had a massive crowd of people. We had a crowd -- I looked over that sea of people and I said to myself, "Wow."

And I've seen crowds before. Big, big crowds. That was some crowd. When I looked at the numbers that happened to come in from all of the various sources, we had the biggest audience in the history of inaugural speeches. I said the men and women that I was talking to who came out and voted will never be forgotten again. Therefore I won't allow you or other people like you to demean that crowd and to demean the people that came to Washington, D.C., from faraway places because they like me. But more importantly they like what I'm saying.

DAVID MUIR: I just wanna say I didn't demean anyone who was in that crowd. We did coverage for hours ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, I think you’re demeaning by talking the way you're talking. I think you're demeaning. And that's why I think a lot of people turned on you and turned on a lot of other people. And that's why you have a 17 percent approval rating, which is pretty bad.
Over Chicago en "sending in the Feds"
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. Trump, let's talk about many of the things that have happened this week. Chicago. Last night you tweeted about the murder rate in Chicago saying, "If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible carnage going on I will send in the feds."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Right.

DAVID MUIR: You will send in the feds? What do you mean by that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It's carnage. You know, in my speech I got tremendous -- from certain people the word carnage. It is carnage. It's horrible carnage. This is Afghanistan -- is not like what's happening in Chicago. People are being shot left and right. Thousands of people over a period -- over a short period of time.

This year, which has just started, is worse than last year, which was a catastrophe. They're not doing the job. Now if they want help, I would love to help them. I will send in what we have to send in. Maybe they're not gonna have to be so politically correct. Maybe they're being overly political correct. Maybe there's something going on. But you can't have those killings going on in Chicago. Chicago is like a war zone. Chicago is worse than some of the people that you report in some of the places that you report about every night ...

DAVID MUIR: So, I will send ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... in the Middle East.

DAVID MUIR: ... you mentioned federal assistance. There's federal assistance and then there's sending in the feds. I'm just curious would you take action on your own?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I want them to fix the problem. You can't have thousands of people being shot in a city, in a country that I happen to be president of. Maybe it's okay if somebody else is president. I want them to fix the problem. They have a problem that's very easily fixable.

They're gonna have to get tougher and stronger and smarter. But they gotta fix the problem. I don't want to have thousands of people shot in a city where essentially I'm the president. I love Chicago. I know Chicago. And Chicago is a great city, can be a great city.

DAVID MUIR: And if they’re unable to fix it?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It can't be a great city. Excuse me. It can't be a great city if people are shot walking down the street for a loaf of bread. Can't be a great city.

DAVID MUIR: And if they are unable to fix it, that's when you would send in the feds?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: But so far they have been unable. It’s been going on for years. And I wasn't president. So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.

DAVID MUIR: Let me ask ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: They weren't shot at the speech. But they were shot in the city of Chicago during his speech. What -- what's going on? So, all I'm saying is to the mayor who came up to my office recently -- I say, "You have to smarten up and you have to toughen up because you can't let that happen. That's a war zone."

DAVID MUIR: So, this is an "or else." This is a warning?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I want them to straighten out the problem. It's a big problem.
Over martelen:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you about a new report that you were poised to lift a ban on so-called CIA black sites of prisons around the world that have been used in the past. Is that true?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I'll be talking about that in about two hours. So, you'll be there and you'll be able to see it for yourself.

DAVID MUIR: Are you gonna lift the ban?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You're gonna see in about two hours.

DAVID MUIR: The last president, President Obama, said the U.S. does not torture. Will you say that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I have a general who I have great respect for, General Mattis, who said -- I was a little surprised -- who said he's not a believer in torture. As you know, Mr. Pompeo was just approved, affirmed by the Senate. He's a fantastic guy, he's gonna be the head of the CIA.

And you have somebody fabulous as opposed to the character that just got out who didn't -- was not fabulous at all. And he will I think do a great job. And he is -- you know, I haven't gone into great detail. But I will tell you I have spoken to others in intelligence. And they are big believers in, as an example, waterboarding.

DAVID MUIR: You did tell me ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Because they say it does work. It does work.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, you ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, you told me during one of the debates that you would bring back waterboarding and a hell of a lot worse.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would do ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would do -- I wanna keep our country safe. I wanna keep our country safe.

DAVID MUIR: What does that mean?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: When they're shooting -- when they're chopping off the heads of our people and other people, when they're chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East, when ISIS is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since Medieval times, would I feel strongly about waterboarding?

As far as I'm concerned we have to fight fire with fire. Now, with that being said I'm going with General Mattis. I'm going with my secretary because I think Pompeo's gonna be phenomenal. I'm gonna go with what they say. But I have spoken as recently as 24 hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence. And I asked them the question, "Does it work? Does torture work?" And the answer was, "Yes, absolutely."

DAVID MUIR: You're now the president. Do you want waterboarding?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't want people to chop off the citizens or anybody's heads in the Middle East. Okay? Because they're Christian or Muslim or anything else. I don't want -- look, you are old enough to have seen a time that was much different. You never saw heads chopped off until a few years ago.

Now they chop 'em off and they put 'em on camera and they send 'em all over the world. So we have that and we're not allowed to do anything. We're not playing on an even field. I will say this, I will rely on Pompeo and Mattis and my group. And if they don't wanna do, that's fine. If they do wanna do, then I will work for that end.

I wanna do everything within the bounds of what you're allowed to do legally. But do I feel it works? Absolutely I feel it works. Have I spoken to people at the top levels and people that have seen it work? I haven't seen it work. But I think it works. Have I spoken to people that feel strongly about it? Absolutely.

DAVID MUIR: So, you'd be okay with it as ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I wanna keep ...

DAVID MUIR: ... president?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... no, I wanna -- I will rely on General Mattis. And I'm gonna rely on those two people and others. And if they don't wanna do it, it's 100 percent okay with me. Do I think it works? Absolutely.
Over vluchtelingen, Moslims, Midden Oosten, "we should have taken the oil", want dan had ISIS niet ontstaan...
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DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I wanna ask you about refugees. You're about to sign a sweeping executive action to suspend immigration to this country.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Right.

DAVID MUIR: Who are we talking about? Is this the Muslim ban?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're talking about -- no it's not the Muslim ban. But it's countries that have tremendous terror. It's countries that we're going to be spelling out in a little while in the same speech. And it's countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems. Our country has enough problems without allowing people to come in who, in many cases or in some cases, are looking to do tremendous destruction.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You look at what's happening ...

DAVID MUIR: Which countries are we talking about?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... you'll be hearing about it in two hours because I have a whole list. You'll be very thrilled. You're looking at people that come in, in many cases, in some cases with evil intentions. I don't want that. They're ISIS. They're coming under false pretense. I don't want that.

I'm gonna be the president of a safe country. We have enough problems. Now I'll absolutely do safe zones in Syria for the people. I think that Europe has made a tremendous mistake by allowing these millions of people to go into Germany and various other countries. And all you have to do is take a look. It's -- it's a disaster what's happening over there.

I don't want that to happen here. Now with that being said, President Obama and Hillary Clinton have, and Kerry have allowed tens of thousands of people into our country. The FBI is now investigating more people than ever before having to do with terror. They -- and it's from the group of people that came in. So look, look, our country has a lot of problems. Believe me. I know what the problems are even better than you do. They're deep problems, they're serious problems. We don't need more.

DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you about some of the countries that won't be on the list, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia. Why are we going to allow people to come into this country ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You're going to see -- you're going to see. We're going to have extreme vetting in all cases. And I mean extreme. And we're not letting people in if we think there's even a little chance of some problem.

DAVID MUIR: Are you at all ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We are excluding certain countries. But for other countries we're gonna have extreme vetting. It's going to be very hard to come in. Right now it's very easy to come in. It's gonna be very, very hard. I don't want terror in this country. You look at what happened in San Bernardino. You look at what happened all over. You look at what happened in the World Trade Center. Okay, I mean, take that as an example.

DAVID MUIR: Are you at all ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... concerned -- are you at all concerned it's going to cause more anger among Muslims ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Anger?

DAVID MUIR: ... the world?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: There's plenty of anger right now. How can you have more?

DAVID MUIR: You don't think it'll ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Look, David ...

DAVID MUIR: ... exacerbate the problem?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... David, I mean, I know you're a sophisticated guy. The world is a mess. The world is as angry as it gets. What? You think this is gonna cause a little more anger? The world is an angry place. All of this has happened. We went into Iraq. We shouldn't have gone into Iraq. We shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out.

The world is a total mess. Take a look at what's happening with Aleppo. Take a look what's happening in Mosul. Take a look what's going on in the Middle East. And people are fleeing and they're going into Europe and all over the place. The world is a mess, David.

DAVID MUIR: You brought up Iraq and something you said that could affect American troops in recent days. You said, "We should've kept the oil but okay maybe we'll have another chance." What did you mean by that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, we should've kept the oil when we got out. And, you know, it's very interesting, had we taken the oil, you wouldn't have ISIS because they fuel themselves with the oil. That's where they got the money. They got the money from leaving -- when we left, we left Iraq, which wasn't a government. It's not a government now.

And by the way, and I said something else, if we go in and do this. You have two nations, Iraq and Iran. And they were essentially the same military strength. And they'd fight for decades and decades. They'd fight forever. And they'd keep fighting and it would go -- it was just a way of life. We got in, we decapitated one of those nations, Iraq. I said, "Iran is taking over Iraq." That's essentially what happened.

DAVID MUIR: So, you believe we can go in and take the oil.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should have taken the oil. You wouldn't have ISIS if we took the oil. Now I wasn't talking about it from the standpoint of ISIS because the way we got out was horrible. We created a vacuum and ISIS formed. But had we taken the oil something else would've very good happened. They would not have been able to fuel their rather unbelievable drive to destroy large portions of the world.

DAVID MUIR: You've heard the critics who say that would break all international law, taking the oil. But I wanna get to the words ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... that you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Wait, wait, can you believe that? Who are the critics who say that? Fools.

DAVID MUIR: Let, let me ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't call them critics. I call them fools.

DAVID MUIR: ... let me talk about your words ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should've kept -- excuse me. We should've taken the oil. And if we took the oil you wouldn't have ISIS. And we would have had wealth. We have spent right now $6 trillion in the Middle East. And our country is falling apart.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Our roads -- excuse me. Our roads, our bridges, our schools, it's falling apart. We have spent as of one month ago $6 trillion in the Middle East. And in our country we can't afford to build a school in Brooklyn or we can't afford to build a school in Los Angeles. And we can't afford to fix up our inner cities. We can't afford to do anything. Look, it's time. It's been our longest war. We've been in there for 15, 16 years. Nobody even knows what the date is because they don't really know when did we start. But it's time. It's time.

DAVID MUIR: What got my attention, Mr. President, was when you said, "Maybe we'll have another chance."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, don't let it get your attention too much because we'll see what happens. I mean, we're gonna see what happens. You know, I told you and I told everybody else that wants to talk when it comes to the military I don't wanna discuss things.

I wanna let -- I wanna let the action take place before the talk takes place. I watched in Mosul when a number of months ago generals and politicians would get up and say, "We're going into Mosul in four months." Then they'd say, "We're going in in three months, two months, one month. We're going in next week."

Okay, and I kept saying to myself, "Gee, why do they have to keep talking about going in?" All right, so now they go in and it is tough because they're giving the enemy all this time to prepare. I don't wanna do a lot of talking on the military. I wanna talk after it's finished, not before it starts.
Over Obamacare:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you, Mr. President, about another promise involving Obamacare to repeal it. And you told The Washington Post that your plan to replace Obamacare will include insurance for everybody. That sounds an awful lot like universal coverage.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It's going to be -- what my plan is is that I wanna take care of everybody. I'm not gonna leave the lower 20 percent that can't afford insurance. Just so you understand people talk about Obamacare. And I told the Republicans this, the best thing we could do is nothing for two years, let it explode. And then we'll go in and we'll do a new plan and -- and the Democrats will vote for it. Believe me.

Because this year you'll have 150 percent increases. Last year in Arizona 116 perecent increase, Minnesota 60 some-odd percent increase. And I told them, except for one problem, I wanna get it fixed. The best thing I could do as the leader of this country-- but as wanting to get something approved with support of the Democrats, if I didn't do anything for two years they'd be begging me to do something. But I don't wanna do that. So just so you unders-- Obamacare is a disaster.

It's too expensive. It's horrible health care. It doesn't cover what you have to cover. It's a disaster. You know it and I know it. And I said to the Republican folks-- and they're terrific folks, Mitch and Paul Ryan, I said, "Look, if you go fast -- and I'm okay in doing it because it's the right thing to do. We wanna get good coverage at much less cost." I said, "If you go fast we then own Obamacare. They're gonna put it on us. And Obamacare is a disaster waiting to explode. If you sit back and let it explode it's gonna be much easier." That's the thing to do. But the right thing to do is to get something done now.

DAVID MUIR: But you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: So I wanna make sure that nobody's dying on the streets when I'm president. Nobody's gonna be dying on the streets. We will unleash something that's gonna be terrific. And remember this, before Obamacare you had a lot of people that were very, very happy with their health care.

And now those people in many cases don't even have health care. They don't even have anything that's acceptable to them. Remember this, keep your doctor, keep your plan, 100 percent. Remember the $5 billion website? Remember the website fiasco. I mean, you do admit that I think, right? The website fiasco.

Obamacare is a disaster. We are going to come up with a new plan ideally not an amended plan because right now if you look at the pages they're this high. We're gonna come up with a new plan that's going to be better health care for more people at a lesser cost.

DAVID MUIR: Last question because I know you're gonna show me around the White House. Last question on this. You've seen the estimate that 18 million Americans could lose their health insurance if Obamacare is repealed and there is no replacement. Can you assure those Americans watching this right now that they will not lose their health insurance or end up with anything less?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: So nobody ever deducts all the people that have already lost their health insurance that liked it. You had millions of people that liked their health insurance and their health care and their doctor and where they went. You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.

DAVID MUIR: I'm just asking about the people ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, no.

DAVID MUIR: ... who are nervous and watching ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We ...

DAVID MUIR: ... you for reassurance.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... here's what I can assure you, we are going to have a better plan, much better health care, much better service treatment, a plan where you can have access to the doctor that you want and the plan that you want. We're gonna have a much better health care plan at much less money.

And remember Obamacare is ready to explode. And you interviewed me a couple of years ago. I said '17 -- right now, this year, "'17 is going to be a disaster." I'm very good at this stuff. "'17 is going to be a disaster cost-wise for Obamacare. It's going to explode in '17."

And why not? Obama's a smart guy. So let it all come do because that's what's happening. It's all coming do in '17. We're gonna have an explosion. And to do it right, sit back, let it explode and let the Democrats come begging us to help them because it's on them. But I don't wanna do that. I wanna give great health care at a much lower cost.

DAVID MUIR: So, no one who has this health insurance through Obamacare will lose it or end up ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You know, when you ...

DAVID MUIR: ... with anything less?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... say no one I think no one. Ideally, in the real world, you’re talking about millions of people. Will no one. And then, you know, knowing ABC, you'll have this one person on television saying how they were hurt. Okay. We want no one. We want the answer to be no one.

But I will say millions of people will be happy. Right now you have millions and millions and millions of people that are unhappy. It's too expensive and it's no good. And the governor of Minnesota who unfortunately had a very, very sad incident yesterday 'cause he's a very nice guy but -- a couple of months ago he said that the Affordable Care Act is no longer affordable.

He's a staunch Democrat. Very strong Democrat. He said it's no longer affordable. He made that statement. And Bill Clinton on the campaign trail -- and he probably had a bad night that night when he went home -- but he said, "Obamacare is crazy. It's crazy." And you know what, they were both right.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, thank you.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Pol(...)nt/story?id=45047602
jezus dat stuk over de ACA, gewoon zowat toegeven dat 20 miljoen mensen hun healthcare kunnen verliezen, maar er zijn ook winnaars die hun oude healthcare terug kunnen krijgen...

dat gaat zo'n teringzooitje worden
KoosVogelsdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 16:51
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jezus dat stuk over de ACA, gewoon zowat toegeven dat 20 miljoen mensen hun healthcare kunnen verliezen, maar er zijn ook winnaars die hun oude healthcare terug kunnen krijgen...

dat gaat zo'n teringzooitje worden
Dat hele interview is te belachelijk voor woorden. Zoals de WaPo al had geconstateerd: de man is geobsedeerd door irrelevante onzin, zoals crowd size en het winnen van de popular vote.

En dan zijn manier van praten. Het is alsof je een mongooltje dat onder de coke zit hoort lullen.

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15s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 16:51 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Dat hele interview is te belachelijk voor woorden. Zoals de WaPo al had geconstateerd: de man is geobsedeerd door irrelevante onzin, zoals crowd size en het winnen van de popular vote.

En dan zijn manier van praten. Het is alsof je een mongooltje die onder de coke zit hoort lullen.
Ik vind het vooral bizar dat zo iemand nog zoveel steun krijgt.
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Ik vind het vooral bizar dat zo iemand nog zoveel steun krijgt.
Kennelijk doordat: PPP poll: Trump base deluded by false facts. (Ja, ik weet, biased)
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Transcript van Trump's interview met ABC:
Intro:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, it's an honor to be here at the White House.
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you very much, David.
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you, has the magnitude of this job hit you yet?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: It has periodically hit me. And it is a tremendous magnitude. And where you really see it is when you're talking to the generals about problems in the world. And we do have problems in the world. Big problems. The business also hits because the -- the size of it. The size.

I was with the Ford yesterday. And with General Motors yesterday. The top representatives, great people. And they're gonna do some tremendous work in the United States. They're gonna build plants back in the United States. But when you see the size, even as a businessman, the size of the investment that these big companies are gonna make, it hits you even in that regard. But we're gonna bring jobs back to America, like I promised on the campaign trail.

DAVID MUIR: And we're gonna get to it all right here.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Good.
Over Mexico, the wall, deportaties..:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I want to start -- we're five days in. And your campaign promises. I know today you plan on signing the order to build the wall.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Correct.

DAVID MUIR: Are you going to direct U.S. funds to pay for this wall? Will American taxpayers pay for the wall?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Ultimately it'll come out of what's happening with Mexico. We're gonna be starting those negotiations relatively soon. And we will be in a form reimbursed by Mexico which I will say ...

DAVID MUIR: So, they'll pay us back?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yeah, absolutely, 100 percent.

DAVID MUIR: So, the American taxpayer will pay for the wall at first?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: All it is, is we'll be reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from Mexico. Now, I could wait a year and I could hold off the wall. But I wanna build the wall. We have to build the wall. We have to stop drugs from pouring in. We have to stop people from just pouring into our country. We have no idea where they're from. And I campaigned on the wall. And it's very important. But that wall will cost us nothing.

DAVID MUIR: But you talked -- often about Mexico paying for the wall. And you, again, say they'll pay us back. Mexico's president said in recent days that Mexico absolutely will not pay, adding that, "It goes against our dignity as a country and our dignity as Mexicans." He says ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: David, he has to say that. He has to say that. But I'm just telling you there will be a payment. It will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form. And you have to understand what I'm doing is good for the United States. It's also going to be good for Mexico.

We wanna have a very stable, very solid Mexico. Even more solid than it is right now. And they need it also. Lots of things are coming across Mexico that they don't want. I think it's going to be a good thing for both countries. And I think the relationship will be better than ever before.

You know, when we had a prisoner in Mexico, as you know, two years ago, that we were trying to get out. And Mexico was not helping us, I will tell you, those days are over. I think we're gonna end up with a much better relationship with Mexico. We will have the wall and in a very serious form Mexico will pay for the wall.

DAVID MUIR: What are you gonna say to some of your supporters who might say, "Wait a minute, I thought Mexico was going to pay for this right at the start."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I'd say very simply that they are going to pay for it. I never said they're gonna pay from the start. I said Mexico will pay for the wall. But what I will tell my supporters is, "Would you like me to wait two years or three years before I make this deal?" Because we have to make a deal on NAFTA. We have to make a new trade deal with Mexico because we're getting clobbered.

We have a $60-billion trade deficit. So, if you want, I can wait two years and then we can do it nice and easily. I wanna start the wall immediately. Every supporter I have -- I have had so many people calling and tweeting and -- and writing letters saying they're so happy about it. I wanna start the wall. We will be reimbursed for the wall.

DAVID MUIR: When does construction begin?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: As soon as we can. As soon as we can physically do it. We're ...

DAVID MUIR: Within months?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would say in months. Yeah, I would say in months. Certainly planning is starting immediately.

DAVID MUIR: People feel ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We'll be having some really good, really solid plans within a short period of time.

DAVID MUIR: When people learn of the news of this wall today there are gonna be a lot of people listening to this. And I wanna ask about undocumented immigrants who are here -- in this country. Right now they're protected as so-called dreamers -- the children who were brought here, as you know, by their parents. Should they be worried -- that they could be deported? And is there anything you can say to assure them right now that they'll be allowed to stay?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: They shouldn't be very worried. They are here illegally. They shouldn't be very worried. I do have a big heart. We're going to take care of everybody. We're going to have a very strong border. We're gonna have a very solid border. Where you have great people that are here that have done a good job, they should be far less worried. We'll be coming out with policy on that over the next period of four weeks.

DAVID MUIR: But Mr. President, will they be allowed to stay?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I'm gonna tell you over the next four weeks. But I will tell you, we're looking at this, the whole immigration situation, we're looking at it with great heart. Now we have criminals that are here. We have really bad people that are here. Those people have to be worried 'cause they're getting out. We're gonna get them out. We're gonna get 'em out fast. General Kelly is -- I've given that as his number one priority.

DAVID MUIR: Senator Jeff Sessions, your pick for attorney general, as you know during his confirmation hearing said that ending DACA, this is President Obama's policy protecting the dreamers -- that, "Ending it certainly would be constitutional." That you could end the protection of these dreamers. Is that a possibility?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna be talking with -- attorney general. He will soon be the attorney general. He's done fantastically well. We're all very proud of him. I thought he was treated very, very unfairly. He's a brilliant man and he's a very good man. He'll do a fantastic job. I'll be speaking to him as soon as he's affirmed.

DAVID MUIR: So, it's a possibility.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We will be talking to the attorney general.
Over the popular vote en 3 tot 5 miljoen illegale stemmen:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: I wanna ask you about something you said this week right here at the White House. You brought in congressional leaders to the White House. You spoke at length about the presidential election with them -- telling them that you lost the popular vote because of millions of illegal votes, 3 to 5 million illegal votes. That would be the biggest electoral fraud in American history. Where is the evidence of that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: So, let me tell you first of all, it was so misrepresented. That was supposed to be a confidential meeting. And you weren't supposed to go out and talk to the press as soon as you -- but the Democrats viewed it not as a confidential meeting.

DAVID MUIR: But you have tweeted ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... about the millions of illegals ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure. And I do -- and I'm very ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... and I mean it. But just so you -- it was supposed to be a confidential meeting. They turned it into not a con... Number two, the conversation lasted for about a minute. They made it -- somebody said it was, like, 25 percent of the ... It wasn't. It was hardly even discussed.

I said it. And I said it strongly because what's going on with voter fraud is horrible. That's number one. Number two, I would've won the popular vote if I was campaigning for the popular vote. I would've gone to California where I didn't go at all. I would've gone to New York where I didn't campaign at all.

I would've gone to a couple of places that I didn't go to. And I would've won that much easier than winning the electoral college. But as you know, the electoral college is all that matters. It doesn't make any difference. So, I would've won very, very easily. But it's a different form of winning. You would campaign much differently. You would have a totally different campaign. So, but ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... you're just asking a question. I would've easily won the popular vote, much easier, in my opinion, than winning the electoral college. I ended up going to 19 different states. I went to the state of Maine four times for one. I needed one.

I went to M-- I got it, by the way. But it turned out I didn't need it because we ended up winning by a massive amount, 306. I needed 270. We got 306. You and everybody said, "There's no way you get to 270." I mean, your network said and almost everybody said, "There's no way you can get to ..." So, I went to Maine four times. I went to various places. And that's the beauty of the electoral college. With that being said, if you look at voter registration, you look at the dead people that are registered to vote who vote, you look at people that are registered in two states, you look at all of these different things that are happening with registration. You take a look at those registration for -- you're gonna s-- find -- and we're gonna do an investigation on it.

DAVID MUIR: But 3 to 5 million illegal votes?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, we're gonna find out. But it could very well be that much. Absolutely.

DAVID MUIR: But ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: But we're gonna find out.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: In fact, I heard one of the other side, they were saying it's not 3 to 5. It's not 3 to 5. I said, "Well, Mr. Trump is talking about registration, tell--" He said, "You know we don't wanna talk about registration." They don't wanna talk about registration.

You have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. You have people registered in two states. They're registered in a New York and a New Jersey. They vote twice. There are millions of votes, in my opinion. Now ...

DAVID MUIR: But again ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I'm doing an ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... investigation. David, David, David ...

DAVID MUIR: You’re now, you’re now president of the United States when you say ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Of course, and I want the voting process to be legitimate.

DAVID MUIR: But what I'm asking ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: The people that ...

DAVID MUIR: ... what I'm asking that -- when you say in your opinion millions of illegal votes, that is something that is extremely fundamental to our functioning democracy, a fair and free election.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure. Sure. Sure.

DAVID MUIR: You say you're gonna launch an investigation.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Sure, done.

DAVID MUIR: What you have presented so far has been debunked. It's been called ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... false.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, it hasn't. Take a look at the Pew reports.

DAVID MUIR: I called the author of the Pew report last night. And he told me that they found no evidence of voter ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... fraud.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Really? Then why did he write the report?

DAVID MUIR: He said no evidence of voter fraud.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Excuse me, then why did he write the report?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: According to Pew report, then he's -- then he's groveling again. You know, I always talk about the reporters that grovel when they wanna write something that you wanna hear but not necessarily millions of people wanna hear or have to hear.

DAVID MUIR: So, you’ve launched an investigation?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna launch an investigation to find out. And then the next time -- and I will say this, of those votes cast, none of 'em come to me. None of 'em come to me. They would all be for the other side. None of 'em come to me. But when you look at the people that are registered: dead, illegal and two states and some cases maybe three states -- we have a lot to look into.

DAVID MUIR: House Speaker Paul Ryan has said, "I have seen no evidence. I have made this very, very clear." Senator Lindsey Graham saying, "It's the most inappropriate thing for a president to say without proof. He seems obsessed with the idea that he could not have possibly lost the popular vote without cheating and fraud." I wanna ask you about something bigger here. Does it matter more now ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: There's nothing bigger. There's nothing bigger.

DAVID MUIR: But it is important because ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Let me just tell you, you know what's important, millions of people agree with me when I say that if you would’ve looked on one of the other networks and all of the people that were calling in they're saying, "We agree with Mr. Trump. We agree." They're very smart people.

The people that voted for me -- lots of people are saying they saw things happen. I heard stories also. But you're not talking about millions. But it's a small little segment. I will tell you, it's a good thing that we're doing because at the end we're gonna have an idea as to what's going on. Now, you're telling me Pew report has all of a sudden changed. But you have other reports and you have other statements. You take a look at the registrations, how many dead people are there? Take a look at the registrations as to the other things that I already presented.

DAVID MUIR: And you're saying ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And you're gonna find ...

DAVID MUIR: ... those people who are on the rolls voted, that there are millions of illegal votes?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I didn't say there are millions. But I think there could very well be millions of people. That's right.

DAVID MUIR: You tweeted though ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And I also say this ...

DAVID MUIR: ... you tweeted, "If you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally, I won the popular vote."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: David, and I also say this, if I was going for the popular vote I would've won easily. But I would've been in California and New York. I wouldn't have been in Maine. I wouldn't have been in Iowa. I wouldn't have been in Nebraska and all of those states that I had to win in order to win this. I would've been in New York, I would've been in California. I never even went there.

DAVID MUIR: Let me just ask you, you did win. You're the president. You're sitting ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: That’s true.

DAVID MUIR: ... across from me right now.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: That's true.

DAVID MUIR: Do you think that your words matter more now?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yes, very much.

DAVID MUIR: Do you think that that talking about millions of illegal votes is dangerous to this country without presenting the evidence?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, not at all.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Not at all because many people feel the same way that I do. And ...

DAVID MUIR: You don't think it undermines your credibility if there’s no evidence?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, not at all because they didn't come to me. Believe me. Those were Hillary votes. And if you look at it they all voted for Hillary. They all voted for Hillary. They didn't vote for me. I don't believe I got one. Okay, these are people that voted for Hillary Clinton. And if they didn't vote, it would've been different in the popular.

Now, you have to understand I -- I focused on those four or five states that I had to win. Maybe she didn't. She should've gone to Michigan. She thought she had it in the bag. She should've gone to Wisconsin, she thought she had it because you're talking about 38 years of, you know, Democrat wins. But they didn't. I went to Michigan, I went to Wisconsin. I went to Pennsylvania all the time. I went to all of the states that are -- Florida and North Carolina. That's all I focused on.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, it does strike me though that we're relitigating the presidential campaign, the election ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, no. We're looking at it for the next time. No, no, you have to understand, I had a tremendous victory, one of the great victories ever. In terms of counties I think the most ever or just about the most ever. When you look at a map it's all red. Red meaning us, Republicans.

One of the greatest victories ever. But, again, I ran for the electoral college. I didn't run for the popular vote. What I'm saying is if there are these problems that many people agree with me that there might be. Look, Barack Obama -- if you look back -- eight years ago when he first ran -- he was running for office in Chicago for we needed Chicago vote.

And he was laughing at the system because he knew all of those votes were going to him. You look at Philadelphia, you look at what's going on in Philadelphia. But take a look at the tape of Barack Obama who wrote me, by the way, a very beautiful letter in the drawer of the desk. Very beautiful. And I appreciate it. But look at what he said, it's on tape. Look at what he said about voting in Chicago eight years ago. It's not changed. It hasn't changed, believe me. Chicago, look what's going on in Chicago. It's only gotten worse.

But he was smiling and laughing about the vote in Chicago. Now, once he became president he didn't do that. All of a sudden it became this is the foundation of our country. So, here's the point, you have a lot of stuff going on possibly. I say probably. But possibly. We're gonna get to the bottom of it.

And then we're gonna make sure it doesn't happen again. If people are registered wrongly, if illegals are registered to vote, which they are, if dead people are registered to vote and voting, which they do. There are some. I don't know how many. We're gonna try finding that out and the other categories that we talk about, double states where they're -- registered in two states, we're gonna get to the bottom of it because we have to stop it. Because I agree, so important. But the other side is trying to downplay this. Now, I'll say this -- I think that if that didn't happen, first of all, would -- would be a great thing if it didn't happen. But I believe it did happen. And I believe a part of the vote would've been much different.

DAVID MUIR: And you believe millions of illegal votes ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, we're gonna find out.

DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you this ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're gonna find out. And -- and, by the way, when I say you're gonna find out. You can never really find, you know, there are gonna be -- no matter what numbers we come up with there are gonna be lots of people that did things that we're not going to find out about. But we will find out because we need a better system where that can't happen.
Over z'n speech bij de CIA (en over de media...):
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I just have one more question on this. And it's -- it's bigger picture. You took some heat after your visit to the CIA in front of that hallowed wall, 117 stars -- of those lost at the CIA. You talked about other things. But you also talked about crowd size at the inauguration, about the size of your rallies, about covers on Time magazine. And I just wanna ask you when does all of that matter just a little less? When do you let it roll off your back now that you're the president?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: OK, so I'm glad you asked. So, I went to the CIA, my first step. I have great respect for the people in intelligence and CIA. I'm -- I don't have a lot of respect for, in particular one of the leaders. But that's okay. But I have a lot of respect for the people in the CIA.

That speech was a home run. That speech, if you look at Fox, OK, I'll mention you -- we see what Fox said. They said it was one of the great speeches. They showed the people applauding and screaming and -- and they were all CIA. There was -- somebody was asking Sean -- "Well, were they Trump people that were put--" we don't have Trump people. They were CIA people.

That location was given to me. Mike Pence went up before me, paid great homage to the wall. I then went up, paid great homage to the wall. I then spoke to the crowd. I got a standing ovation. In fact, they said it was the biggest standing ovation since Peyton Manning had won the Super Bowl and they said it was equal. I got a standing ovation. It lasted for a long period of time. What you do is take -- take out your tape -- you probably ran it live. I know when I do good speeches. I know when I do bad speeches. That speech was a total home run. They loved it. I could've ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... gotten ...

DAVID MUIR: You would give the same speech if you went back ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Absolutely.

DAVID MUIR: ... in front of that wall?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: People loved it. They loved it. They gave me a standing ovation for a long period of time. They never even sat down, most of them, during the speech. There was love in the room. You and other networks covered it very inaccurately. I hate to say this to you and you probably won't put it on but turn on Fox and see how it was covered. And see how people respond to that speech.

That speech was a good speech. And you and a couple of other networks tried to downplay that speech. And it was very, very unfortunate that you did. The people of the CIA loved the speech. If I was going to take a vote in that room, there were, like, 300, 350 people, over 1,000 wanted to be there but they couldn't. They were all CIA people. I would say I would've gotten 350 to nothing in that room. That's what the vote would've been. That speech was a big hit, a big success -- success. And then I came back and I watched you on television and a couple of others.

DAVID MUIR: Not me personally.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: And they tried to demean. Excuse me?

DAVID MUIR: Not me personally.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Not you personally but your network -- and they tried to demean the speech. And I know when things are good or bad. A poll just came out on my inauguration speech which was extraordinary that people loved it. Loved and liked. And it was an extraordinary poll.

DAVID MUIR: I guess that's what I'm getting at. You talked about the poll, the people loving your inaugural speech and the size of your ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, because you bring it up.

DAVID MUIR: I'm asking, well, on day one you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, you just brought it up. I didn't bring it up. I didn't wanna -- talk about the inauguration speech. But I think I did a very good job and people really liked it. You saw the poll. Just came out this morning. You bring it up. I didn't bring it up.

DAVID MUIR: So, polls and crowd size and covers on Time, those still matter now that you're here as president.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, you keep bringing it up. I had a massive amount of people here. They were showing pictures that were very unflattering, as unflattering -- from certain angles -- that were taken early and lots of other things. I'll show you a picture later if you’d like of a massive crowd.

In terms of a total audience including television and everything else that you have we had supposedly the biggest crowd in history. The audience watching the show. And I think you would even agree to that. They say I had the biggest crowd in the history of inaugural speeches. I'm honored by that. But I didn't bring it up. You just brought it up.

DAVID MUIR: See, I -- I'm not interested in the inaugural crowd size. I think the American people can look at images side by side and decide for themselves. I am curious about the first full day here at the White House, choosing to send the press secretary out into the briefing room, summoning reporters to talk about the inaugural crowd size. Does that send a message to the American people that that's -- that's more important than some of the very pressing issues?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Part of my whole victory was that the men and women of this country who have been forgotten will never be forgotten again. Part of that is when they try and demean me unfairly 'cause we had a massive crowd of people. We had a crowd -- I looked over that sea of people and I said to myself, "Wow."

And I've seen crowds before. Big, big crowds. That was some crowd. When I looked at the numbers that happened to come in from all of the various sources, we had the biggest audience in the history of inaugural speeches. I said the men and women that I was talking to who came out and voted will never be forgotten again. Therefore I won't allow you or other people like you to demean that crowd and to demean the people that came to Washington, D.C., from faraway places because they like me. But more importantly they like what I'm saying.

DAVID MUIR: I just wanna say I didn't demean anyone who was in that crowd. We did coverage for hours ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, I think you’re demeaning by talking the way you're talking. I think you're demeaning. And that's why I think a lot of people turned on you and turned on a lot of other people. And that's why you have a 17 percent approval rating, which is pretty bad.
Over Chicago en "sending in the Feds"
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. Trump, let's talk about many of the things that have happened this week. Chicago. Last night you tweeted about the murder rate in Chicago saying, "If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible carnage going on I will send in the feds."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Right.

DAVID MUIR: You will send in the feds? What do you mean by that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It's carnage. You know, in my speech I got tremendous -- from certain people the word carnage. It is carnage. It's horrible carnage. This is Afghanistan -- is not like what's happening in Chicago. People are being shot left and right. Thousands of people over a period -- over a short period of time.

This year, which has just started, is worse than last year, which was a catastrophe. They're not doing the job. Now if they want help, I would love to help them. I will send in what we have to send in. Maybe they're not gonna have to be so politically correct. Maybe they're being overly political correct. Maybe there's something going on. But you can't have those killings going on in Chicago. Chicago is like a war zone. Chicago is worse than some of the people that you report in some of the places that you report about every night ...

DAVID MUIR: So, I will send ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... in the Middle East.

DAVID MUIR: ... you mentioned federal assistance. There's federal assistance and then there's sending in the feds. I'm just curious would you take action on your own?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I want them to fix the problem. You can't have thousands of people being shot in a city, in a country that I happen to be president of. Maybe it's okay if somebody else is president. I want them to fix the problem. They have a problem that's very easily fixable.

They're gonna have to get tougher and stronger and smarter. But they gotta fix the problem. I don't want to have thousands of people shot in a city where essentially I'm the president. I love Chicago. I know Chicago. And Chicago is a great city, can be a great city.

DAVID MUIR: And if they’re unable to fix it?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It can't be a great city. Excuse me. It can't be a great city if people are shot walking down the street for a loaf of bread. Can't be a great city.

DAVID MUIR: And if they are unable to fix it, that's when you would send in the feds?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: But so far they have been unable. It’s been going on for years. And I wasn't president. So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.

DAVID MUIR: Let me ask ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: They weren't shot at the speech. But they were shot in the city of Chicago during his speech. What -- what's going on? So, all I'm saying is to the mayor who came up to my office recently -- I say, "You have to smarten up and you have to toughen up because you can't let that happen. That's a war zone."

DAVID MUIR: So, this is an "or else." This is a warning?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I want them to straighten out the problem. It's a big problem.
Over martelen:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you about a new report that you were poised to lift a ban on so-called CIA black sites of prisons around the world that have been used in the past. Is that true?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I'll be talking about that in about two hours. So, you'll be there and you'll be able to see it for yourself.

DAVID MUIR: Are you gonna lift the ban?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You're gonna see in about two hours.

DAVID MUIR: The last president, President Obama, said the U.S. does not torture. Will you say that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I have a general who I have great respect for, General Mattis, who said -- I was a little surprised -- who said he's not a believer in torture. As you know, Mr. Pompeo was just approved, affirmed by the Senate. He's a fantastic guy, he's gonna be the head of the CIA.

And you have somebody fabulous as opposed to the character that just got out who didn't -- was not fabulous at all. And he will I think do a great job. And he is -- you know, I haven't gone into great detail. But I will tell you I have spoken to others in intelligence. And they are big believers in, as an example, waterboarding.

DAVID MUIR: You did tell me ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Because they say it does work. It does work.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, you ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, you told me during one of the debates that you would bring back waterboarding and a hell of a lot worse.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would do ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I would do -- I wanna keep our country safe. I wanna keep our country safe.

DAVID MUIR: What does that mean?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: When they're shooting -- when they're chopping off the heads of our people and other people, when they're chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East, when ISIS is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since Medieval times, would I feel strongly about waterboarding?

As far as I'm concerned we have to fight fire with fire. Now, with that being said I'm going with General Mattis. I'm going with my secretary because I think Pompeo's gonna be phenomenal. I'm gonna go with what they say. But I have spoken as recently as 24 hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence. And I asked them the question, "Does it work? Does torture work?" And the answer was, "Yes, absolutely."

DAVID MUIR: You're now the president. Do you want waterboarding?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't want people to chop off the citizens or anybody's heads in the Middle East. Okay? Because they're Christian or Muslim or anything else. I don't want -- look, you are old enough to have seen a time that was much different. You never saw heads chopped off until a few years ago.

Now they chop 'em off and they put 'em on camera and they send 'em all over the world. So we have that and we're not allowed to do anything. We're not playing on an even field. I will say this, I will rely on Pompeo and Mattis and my group. And if they don't wanna do, that's fine. If they do wanna do, then I will work for that end.

I wanna do everything within the bounds of what you're allowed to do legally. But do I feel it works? Absolutely I feel it works. Have I spoken to people at the top levels and people that have seen it work? I haven't seen it work. But I think it works. Have I spoken to people that feel strongly about it? Absolutely.

DAVID MUIR: So, you'd be okay with it as ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I wanna keep ...

DAVID MUIR: ... president?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... no, I wanna -- I will rely on General Mattis. And I'm gonna rely on those two people and others. And if they don't wanna do it, it's 100 percent okay with me. Do I think it works? Absolutely.
Over vluchtelingen, Moslims, Midden Oosten, "we should have taken the oil", want dan had ISIS niet ontstaan...
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, I wanna ask you about refugees. You're about to sign a sweeping executive action to suspend immigration to this country.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Right.

DAVID MUIR: Who are we talking about? Is this the Muslim ban?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We're talking about -- no it's not the Muslim ban. But it's countries that have tremendous terror. It's countries that we're going to be spelling out in a little while in the same speech. And it's countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems. Our country has enough problems without allowing people to come in who, in many cases or in some cases, are looking to do tremendous destruction.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You look at what's happening ...

DAVID MUIR: Which countries are we talking about?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... you'll be hearing about it in two hours because I have a whole list. You'll be very thrilled. You're looking at people that come in, in many cases, in some cases with evil intentions. I don't want that. They're ISIS. They're coming under false pretense. I don't want that.

I'm gonna be the president of a safe country. We have enough problems. Now I'll absolutely do safe zones in Syria for the people. I think that Europe has made a tremendous mistake by allowing these millions of people to go into Germany and various other countries. And all you have to do is take a look. It's -- it's a disaster what's happening over there.

I don't want that to happen here. Now with that being said, President Obama and Hillary Clinton have, and Kerry have allowed tens of thousands of people into our country. The FBI is now investigating more people than ever before having to do with terror. They -- and it's from the group of people that came in. So look, look, our country has a lot of problems. Believe me. I know what the problems are even better than you do. They're deep problems, they're serious problems. We don't need more.

DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you about some of the countries that won't be on the list, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia. Why are we going to allow people to come into this country ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You're going to see -- you're going to see. We're going to have extreme vetting in all cases. And I mean extreme. And we're not letting people in if we think there's even a little chance of some problem.

DAVID MUIR: Are you at all ...

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We are excluding certain countries. But for other countries we're gonna have extreme vetting. It's going to be very hard to come in. Right now it's very easy to come in. It's gonna be very, very hard. I don't want terror in this country. You look at what happened in San Bernardino. You look at what happened all over. You look at what happened in the World Trade Center. Okay, I mean, take that as an example.

DAVID MUIR: Are you at all ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... concerned -- are you at all concerned it's going to cause more anger among Muslims ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Anger?

DAVID MUIR: ... the world?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: There's plenty of anger right now. How can you have more?

DAVID MUIR: You don't think it'll ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Look, David ...

DAVID MUIR: ... exacerbate the problem?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... David, I mean, I know you're a sophisticated guy. The world is a mess. The world is as angry as it gets. What? You think this is gonna cause a little more anger? The world is an angry place. All of this has happened. We went into Iraq. We shouldn't have gone into Iraq. We shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out.

The world is a total mess. Take a look at what's happening with Aleppo. Take a look what's happening in Mosul. Take a look what's going on in the Middle East. And people are fleeing and they're going into Europe and all over the place. The world is a mess, David.

DAVID MUIR: You brought up Iraq and something you said that could affect American troops in recent days. You said, "We should've kept the oil but okay maybe we'll have another chance." What did you mean by that?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, we should've kept the oil when we got out. And, you know, it's very interesting, had we taken the oil, you wouldn't have ISIS because they fuel themselves with the oil. That's where they got the money. They got the money from leaving -- when we left, we left Iraq, which wasn't a government. It's not a government now.

And by the way, and I said something else, if we go in and do this. You have two nations, Iraq and Iran. And they were essentially the same military strength. And they'd fight for decades and decades. They'd fight forever. And they'd keep fighting and it would go -- it was just a way of life. We got in, we decapitated one of those nations, Iraq. I said, "Iran is taking over Iraq." That's essentially what happened.

DAVID MUIR: So, you believe we can go in and take the oil.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should have taken the oil. You wouldn't have ISIS if we took the oil. Now I wasn't talking about it from the standpoint of ISIS because the way we got out was horrible. We created a vacuum and ISIS formed. But had we taken the oil something else would've very good happened. They would not have been able to fuel their rather unbelievable drive to destroy large portions of the world.

DAVID MUIR: You've heard the critics who say that would break all international law, taking the oil. But I wanna get to the words ...

(OVERTALK)

DAVID MUIR: ... that you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Wait, wait, can you believe that? Who are the critics who say that? Fools.

DAVID MUIR: Let, let me ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: I don't call them critics. I call them fools.

DAVID MUIR: ... let me talk about your words ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We should've kept -- excuse me. We should've taken the oil. And if we took the oil you wouldn't have ISIS. And we would have had wealth. We have spent right now $6 trillion in the Middle East. And our country is falling apart.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Our roads -- excuse me. Our roads, our bridges, our schools, it's falling apart. We have spent as of one month ago $6 trillion in the Middle East. And in our country we can't afford to build a school in Brooklyn or we can't afford to build a school in Los Angeles. And we can't afford to fix up our inner cities. We can't afford to do anything. Look, it's time. It's been our longest war. We've been in there for 15, 16 years. Nobody even knows what the date is because they don't really know when did we start. But it's time. It's time.

DAVID MUIR: What got my attention, Mr. President, was when you said, "Maybe we'll have another chance."

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, don't let it get your attention too much because we'll see what happens. I mean, we're gonna see what happens. You know, I told you and I told everybody else that wants to talk when it comes to the military I don't wanna discuss things.

I wanna let -- I wanna let the action take place before the talk takes place. I watched in Mosul when a number of months ago generals and politicians would get up and say, "We're going into Mosul in four months." Then they'd say, "We're going in in three months, two months, one month. We're going in next week."

Okay, and I kept saying to myself, "Gee, why do they have to keep talking about going in?" All right, so now they go in and it is tough because they're giving the enemy all this time to prepare. I don't wanna do a lot of talking on the military. I wanna talk after it's finished, not before it starts.
Over Obamacare:
SPOILER
DAVID MUIR: Let me ask you, Mr. President, about another promise involving Obamacare to repeal it. And you told The Washington Post that your plan to replace Obamacare will include insurance for everybody. That sounds an awful lot like universal coverage.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It's going to be -- what my plan is is that I wanna take care of everybody. I'm not gonna leave the lower 20 percent that can't afford insurance. Just so you understand people talk about Obamacare. And I told the Republicans this, the best thing we could do is nothing for two years, let it explode. And then we'll go in and we'll do a new plan and -- and the Democrats will vote for it. Believe me.

Because this year you'll have 150 percent increases. Last year in Arizona 116 perecent increase, Minnesota 60 some-odd percent increase. And I told them, except for one problem, I wanna get it fixed. The best thing I could do as the leader of this country-- but as wanting to get something approved with support of the Democrats, if I didn't do anything for two years they'd be begging me to do something. But I don't wanna do that. So just so you unders-- Obamacare is a disaster.

It's too expensive. It's horrible health care. It doesn't cover what you have to cover. It's a disaster. You know it and I know it. And I said to the Republican folks-- and they're terrific folks, Mitch and Paul Ryan, I said, "Look, if you go fast -- and I'm okay in doing it because it's the right thing to do. We wanna get good coverage at much less cost." I said, "If you go fast we then own Obamacare. They're gonna put it on us. And Obamacare is a disaster waiting to explode. If you sit back and let it explode it's gonna be much easier." That's the thing to do. But the right thing to do is to get something done now.

DAVID MUIR: But you ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: So I wanna make sure that nobody's dying on the streets when I'm president. Nobody's gonna be dying on the streets. We will unleash something that's gonna be terrific. And remember this, before Obamacare you had a lot of people that were very, very happy with their health care.

And now those people in many cases don't even have health care. They don't even have anything that's acceptable to them. Remember this, keep your doctor, keep your plan, 100 percent. Remember the $5 billion website? Remember the website fiasco. I mean, you do admit that I think, right? The website fiasco.

Obamacare is a disaster. We are going to come up with a new plan ideally not an amended plan because right now if you look at the pages they're this high. We're gonna come up with a new plan that's going to be better health care for more people at a lesser cost.

DAVID MUIR: Last question because I know you're gonna show me around the White House. Last question on this. You've seen the estimate that 18 million Americans could lose their health insurance if Obamacare is repealed and there is no replacement. Can you assure those Americans watching this right now that they will not lose their health insurance or end up with anything less?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: So nobody ever deducts all the people that have already lost their health insurance that liked it. You had millions of people that liked their health insurance and their health care and their doctor and where they went. You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.

DAVID MUIR: I'm just asking about the people ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, no.

DAVID MUIR: ... who are nervous and watching ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: We ...

DAVID MUIR: ... you for reassurance.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... here's what I can assure you, we are going to have a better plan, much better health care, much better service treatment, a plan where you can have access to the doctor that you want and the plan that you want. We're gonna have a much better health care plan at much less money.

And remember Obamacare is ready to explode. And you interviewed me a couple of years ago. I said '17 -- right now, this year, "'17 is going to be a disaster." I'm very good at this stuff. "'17 is going to be a disaster cost-wise for Obamacare. It's going to explode in '17."

And why not? Obama's a smart guy. So let it all come do because that's what's happening. It's all coming do in '17. We're gonna have an explosion. And to do it right, sit back, let it explode and let the Democrats come begging us to help them because it's on them. But I don't wanna do that. I wanna give great health care at a much lower cost.

DAVID MUIR: So, no one who has this health insurance through Obamacare will lose it or end up ...

PRESIDENT TRUMP: You know, when you ...

DAVID MUIR: ... with anything less?

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: ... say no one I think no one. Ideally, in the real world, you’re talking about millions of people. Will no one. And then, you know, knowing ABC, you'll have this one person on television saying how they were hurt. Okay. We want no one. We want the answer to be no one.

But I will say millions of people will be happy. Right now you have millions and millions and millions of people that are unhappy. It's too expensive and it's no good. And the governor of Minnesota who unfortunately had a very, very sad incident yesterday 'cause he's a very nice guy but -- a couple of months ago he said that the Affordable Care Act is no longer affordable.

He's a staunch Democrat. Very strong Democrat. He said it's no longer affordable. He made that statement. And Bill Clinton on the campaign trail -- and he probably had a bad night that night when he went home -- but he said, "Obamacare is crazy. It's crazy." And you know what, they were both right.

DAVID MUIR: Mr. President, thank you.

(OVERTALK)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Pol(...)nt/story?id=45047602
Je kunt het ook gewoon bekijken, is wat leuker

Ludachristdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:02
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15s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 16:51 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Dat hele interview is te belachelijk voor woorden. Zoals de WaPo al had geconstateerd: de man is geobsedeerd door irrelevante onzin, zoals crowd size en het winnen van de popular vote.

En dan zijn manier van praten. Het is alsof je een mongooltje die onder de coke zit hoort lullen.
Interviewer: je zei dat er fraude was?

Trump: Dat klopt, en al die stemmen gingen naar Clinton. Als ik had gewild had ik de popular vote gewonnen. Veel makkelijker. Ik kan supergoed campagne voeren. Alle illegalen stemden op Clinton. Ik had de beste campagne. De electoral vote winnen is moeilijker. Ik had makkelijk de popular vote kunnen winnen. Als dat moest had ik nog makkelijker gewonnen. Mensen zeiden, je haalt de 270 niet. En ik had er 306. Omdat het systeem zo werkte. Maar ik had ook de popular vote gewonnen. Heb ik ook gewonnen, zonder die illegalen die stemden. Maar met die illegalen had ik ook gewonnen als het moest.
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:03
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 16:09 schreef antiderivative het volgende:
Goed niveau met al die plaatjes..

Er was weer een discussie op CNBC over drug prices, en er werd weer gesproken over dat er best gedacht kan worden over het kopen van (een) drug company/companies. Enkele healthcare analysten vonden dat best een interessant idee. Artikel op Forbes over deze casus. Met pros/cons.

Als je het niet kan lezen door abbo of wat dan ook:
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Trump Can Lower Drug Prices By U.S. Government Purchase Of Drug Companies

Major mergers in the biopharmaceutical industry are driven by a variety of factors, but the major one tends to be the acquisition of new assets to fuel growth of the acquiring company’s pipeline. I was personally involved in such processes a few times during my Pfizer tenure. When the possibility of a Warner-Lambert merger with American Home Products arose back in 1999, Pfizer stepped in and executed a hostile takeover with the express purpose of having sole access to what was becoming the biggest-selling drug of all time–Lipitor. Similarly, when Pfizer was facing a revenue gap in 2004, it acquired Pharmacia, not just for control of the COX-2 pain medication franchise, but also for a variety of other Pharmacia products that blended well with Pfizer’s drug portfolio.

Whenever a company is contemplating an acquisition or merger, it goes through extensive analyses to justify such a move first to its board of directors, then to its shareholders. These deals generally run into the tens of BIILIONS of dollars as one must pay not just the current value of the desired company but also a significant premium over that price in order to make the bid sufficiently attractive to the board and shareholders of the takeover target. To justify such an acquisition, the acquirer needs to show not only the long-term revenue potential of the desired products, but also ways to strip out costs–the dreaded “synergies” that arise from redundant efforts–as well as jettisoning specific assets that the acquiring company isn’t interested in retaining, such as major divisions (e.g., chemical or agricultural) or specific products. Such analyses can generally be used to justify paying the price necessary to close the deal.

Dr. Peter Bach of Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, a longtime advocate of affordable drug pricing, and Dr. Mark Trusheim of MIT’s Center of Biomedical Innovation have taken the concept of biopharma acquisitions and applied it intriguingly into a plan, laid out in a post for FORBES, for the U.S. government to obtain access to important drugs. The drugs in question are the hepatitis C cures Harvoni and Sovaldi, both sold by Gilead. They propose a plan that not only saves the government money, but also would enable millions of patients who still have hepatitis C to get cured as soon as possible. These patients are currently caught in a bind because the high costs of these drugs–even at the rebated price of $42,000/patient for a course of treatment–is too much a burden for the government to bear all at once.

Essentially, Bach and Trusheim have done an analysis that any big company would do for a major acquisition. Gilead’s current market cap is about $100 billion. Taking into account the need for a 30% premium as well as the assumption of Gilead’s $26 billion debt, the price rises to $156 billion. However, the authors believe that divesting Gilead’s HIV franchise for $52 billion, other pipeline assets for another $10 billion, and divesting the ex-U.S. hepatitis C business for $17 billion, the cost of the deal is down to $77 billion. The government would also gain the $31 billion that Gilead has stashed in overseas cash and, with other savings, the cost comes down to about $40 billion, a price that amounts to a per patient cost of about $15,700 for wiping out hepatitis C, a disease that causes liver failure and liver cancer. As the authors say: “That’s a 63% savings, a no-brainer even before the corporate jet is sold.”

While this sounds pretty enticing, there are issues in trying to do this. For one thing, the government would become a competitor with U.S. businesses that, theoretically, the government would like to see thrive. Both AbbVie and Merck have drugs that compete with Gilead’s drugs. Bach and Trusheim believe that, since Gilead’s drugs amount to 80% of the hepatitis C business, the market has spoken as to their value. However, having the government as a competitor would damage AbbVie and Merck’s efforts and could force drug companies out of R&D in key fields threatened by potential government invasion.

The U.S. government would be challenged to execute such a plan. What agency would be responsible to analyze such deal opportunities? Who would manage it once it was acquired? After all, the drug would need to be manufactured, quality monitored, distributed, etc. The government could contract this work out, but it would add another layer of bureaucracy. Theoretically, the government could use this tactic for other drugs. I have no doubt that there are rare or orphan disease drugs currently sold by biotech companies much smaller than Gilead. Should the government become a procurer of such firms? Finally, my guess is that, if large pharma companies got wind of Gilead being in play, suitors with deep pockets might enter the bidding process for Gilead. Should the government be involved in such bidding wars?

Nevertheless, the Bach-Trusheim proposal in intriguing. Some will undoubtedly attack this plan as the beginnings of governmental nationalization of the biopharmaceutical industry. I don’t think that’s the case. Such a takeover of Gilead would mirror a similar takeover by a big company. The deal wouldn’t go through unless Gilead’s board and shareholders approved it, just like any other deal. Furthermore, my guess is that this sort of move may appeal to President Trump’s business sense. He’s looking to bring down drug prices and for different ways for the government to impact the process. This plan certainly does that.

(The author is the former president of Pfizer Global R&D.)
Al debunked maar Trump is erg goed in schijnoplossingen die een hoog marketing, maar weinig inhoud hebben; zo ook de propangda soldaten die hem trouw en kritiekloos napapegaaien.

https://www.bloomberg.com(...)g-drug-prices-is-doa

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Trump’s Strategy for Cutting Drug Prices Is DOA

Trump didn’t say a whole lot in his press conference on Wednesday, but his remark that America needed to revise its process for buying pharmaceuticals made some enormous waves. “They’re getting away with murder,” he said. Big Pharma lost almost $25 billion in market value in just 20 minutes.

From the size of the market’s reaction, you would assume that pharma must really be getting away with murder. After all, the left has been insisting for years that one way to fix our costly health care system is to finally allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices the way that other countries do. And it’s hard to say that this is unreasonable: as probably the world’s single largest purchaser of pharmaceuticals, the American government ought to have a lot of bargaining power. Why in the world would Congress bind the government’s hands by refusing to let them negotiate volume discounts then?

You might thus be surprised to learn that the Congressional Budget Office has repeatedly assessed the effects of letting Medicare negotiate, and found that the fiscal benefits of that would be … basically nothing.

But how can that be?, I hear you cry. Well, because the people crying “LET MEDICARE NEGOTIATE” have fundamentally misunderstood the source of the negotiating power that allows people in other countries to enjoy lower-cost drugs.

That bargaining power does not come from sheer size. America’s large health insurers and pharmaceutical benefit managers each cover more people than, say, Norway. These companies -- which also cover a lot of Medicare and Medicaid beneficiaries -- negotiate quite fiercely on drug prices, because every dollar they shave off the price is either a dollar in their pocket, or a dollar of savings they can shave off their own prices, thus giving them an advantage over their competitors.

If size and willingness to negotiate were all that mattered, then drug prices in America ought to be lower than they are abroad. They aren’t. So, obviously, size is not the primary issue. What is different in other countries is the willingness to simply say, “No, you can’t sell us your drug” (or “You can’t sell it at a high enough price to make it worth your while”, which amounts to the same thing).

This is handled differently in every country, so it’s hard to draw gross generalizations. But one we can draw is that a lot of other places are willing to look at a drug’s potential benefit, compare it to the cost, and say, “Yeah, you know, that drug delivers some benefit. But it’s not a big enough benefit to justify approving it.”

When there’s only a single source for a given drug, and the person on the other side of the table knows that you can’t refuse to cover that treatment, it’s pretty easy for them to make an offer you can’t refuse. Holding out the possibility that you’ll just walk away shifts the balance of power back across the table. But of course, this comes at a cost: to make that threat credible, you have to actually use it sometimes. And when you do, there will be people who could benefit from the drug, but can’t have it. Those people will be sicker than they would be if they didn’t get the newer drug. They might even die sooner than they otherwise would have.

That reality is politically toxic. So politically toxic that I have literally had the experience of being on a radio program with a British health official who accused me of lying when I pointed out that the United Kingdom has an agency that does this. I gave a description of its activities not materially different from that found on the website of the agency in question; however, I also pointed out the logical corollary, which is that Britain decides there are some people who aren’t worth treating, because whatever benefit they get isn’t worth the exorbitant cost. I did not, mind you, say that Britain ought to treat those people; governments have budgets, and they have to decide the highest-value use of the dollars they spend. I merely pointed out that they were making cost-benefit decisions about treatment. Stating this undeniable fact was enough to trigger a frantic reaction not only from the British health official, but from the show presenter, and from a lot of angry Britons who emailed to castigate me for slandering their government.

In Britain, if a treatment isn’t available on the National Health Service, you probably don’t know what you’re missing (which is why a health official could deny it was happening). In America, however, we have a patchwork of systems, few of which employ doctors directly. If one major insurer, government or private, stops offering some fancy treatment, then patients are eventually going to find out about that treatment’s existence, and also that they can’t have it.

Thanks to the internet, other countries are having a harder time keeping a lid on this sort of thing than they used to. But in America, where the mantra of both sides is that no one should be interfering with choices properly left to doctors and patients, it’s incredibly difficult to exercise this sort of discipline. Oh, sure, wonks may like the idea of a panel of experts that says “Nope, that $90,000 Hepatitis C treatment just isn’t worth it.” But no one else does. And our political system, with its multiple power centers and widespread opportunities for lobbying by both corporate interests and activist groups, is not well-positioned to override the public at large and exercise pricing discipline anyway. If Medicare announced, in the course of negotiations, that the U.S. government simply wasn’t going to cover large numbers of chemotherapy drugs, both cancer groups and the AARP would have baby kittens. Then the legislature would go into overdrive, rescinding that order. Since pharmaceutical firms know that, the outcome would be … well, pretty much what we have now.

Glad we talked that through? Me too.

It’s not particularly surprising that Donald Trump doesn’t know this—frankly, I doubt that Obama does either. Nor is it necessarily surprising that he has seized this talking point, since it’s a very common one in the health care debate. What is interesting is that this is where he chose to go in a press conference where he didn’t speak for all that long. It’s reminiscent of behavior we heard about during the campaign, where small vendors complained that he forced them to take steep haircuts by the simple expedient of giving them “take it or leave it” offers after they’d already done the work or delivered the product. Because suing him would mean losing even more on lawyer’s fees, they often took it.

Trump’s idea of good management often seems to begin and end with driving a really hard bargain. (Though perhaps at some cost in the future, which is certainly a big worry when you consider that driving pharmaceutical prices too low might choke future innovation). But Trump was not building hotels with 300 million auditors looking over his shoulder, and a 500-member board of directors who could overrule him when the auditors got mad. He still has to learn just how little power our new Negotiator-in-Chief has when it comes to stuff that Americans really care about. For that reason, among others, Wednesday’s press conference should probably make us more worried about the future of his presidency than the future of Big Pharma.
Drugs prices is ongeveer 10% van de kosten, de roze olifant die op tafel staat te dansen (de goflmaatjes van Trump die specialist zijn) wordt keurig netjes buiten schot gehouden . De top tien van best betalnde beroepen werken bijna allemaal binnen een clinic.
Xa1ptdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:04
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Kennelijk doordat: PPP poll: Trump base deluded by false facts. (Ja, ik weet, biased)
Legit, dat verklaart ook het willen reguleren of beheersen van informatiestromen en het op afstand houden van media. Maar dat dat niet wordt doorzien, maar eerder toegejuicht wordt door relatief veel mensen...
Mystikvmdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:07
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Legit, dat verklaart ook het willen reguleren of beheersen van informatiestromen en het op afstand houden van media. Maar dat dat niet wordt doorzien, maar eerder toegejuicht wordt door relatief veel mensen...
Omdat het kennelijk heel vervelend is voor mensen om geconfronteerd te worden met andere meningen en werkelijke feiten. Die hebben de overheid nodig om hun Twitterfeed te modereren omdat ze blijkbaar niet zelf hun informatie kunnen selecteren.

Want alles waar je het immers niet mee eens bent is nep. Period.
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:08
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Omdat het kennelijk heel vervelend is voor mensen om geconfronteerd te worden met andere meningen en werkelijke feiten. Die hebben de overheid nodig om hun Twitterfeed te modereren omdat ze blijkbaar niet zelf hun informatie kunnen selecteren.

Want alles waar je het immers niet mee eens bent is nep. Period.
Of geen niveau. Vervolgens hele lappen wettekst copy paisten of foto's met belangrijke mensen plaatsen om niveau te suggeren :D Dat is bijna net zo erg als die binders met blanco papieren om te suggeren dat The Donald zijn business had overgedragen aan die trust waarvan iemand niet durft te zeggen wie de beneficiary van is :D Sad.
KoosVogelsdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:10
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Legit, dat verklaart ook het willen reguleren of beheersen van informatiestromen en het op afstand houden van media. Maar dat dat niet wordt doorzien, maar eerder toegejuicht wordt door relatief veel mensen...
Je hebt best kans dat een hoop Trump-aanhangers het wel doorzien, maar dat het ze simpelweg niets kan schelen. Het zijn immers de 'liberale media' die dwars worden gezeten en de voorstellen die uit de koker van het Witte Huis komen vallen in de smaak bij de achterban van Trump.
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Of geen niveau. Vervolgens hele lappen wettekst copy paisten of foto's met belangrijke mensen plaatsen om niveau te suggeren :D Dat is bijna net zo erg als die binders met blanco papieren om te suggeren dat The Donald zijn business had overgedragen aan die trust waarvan iemand niet durft te zeggen wie de beneficiary van is :D Sad.
Ja, dat integraal posten van voorstellen van Trump hoeft van mij ook niet zo. Zet die zooi op z'n minst in een spoiler.
Mystikvmdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:14
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Je hebt best kans dat een hoop Trump-aanhangers het wel doorzien, maar dat het ze simpelweg niets kan schelen. Het zijn immers de 'liberale media' die dwars worden gezeten en de voorstellen die uit de koker van het Witte Huis komen vallen in de smaak bij de achterban van Trump.
Ja, die willful ignorance zie je in Nederland ook. Mensen die het prima vinden dat de islam verboden wordt, dondersgoed begrijpen dat zoiets het voorportaal is naar nog meer verboden die hun misschien ook gaan raken maar er hun schouders over ophalen omdat het ze wel lekker uitkomt dat er geen moslims meer zijn.

Na ons de zondvloed. Mensen met een visie die niet verder reikt dan komende zondag.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:16
Ja, wel een kanttekening wat geplaatst moet worden bij dat type polling is dat mensen geneigd zijn om het antwoord te geven wat men denkt te verwachten te horen ter support van hun kandidaat.

Dit is er ook Republicans are openly considering Donald Trump's 'emotional stability', says Carl Bernstein
venomsnakedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:19
Dat getwitter van hem blijft hilarisch. Wat een idioot :D!
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:23
The State Department’s entire senior management team just resigned
Mystikvmdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:33
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Dit soort artikelen lees ik meer, maar heb toch het idee dat het vooral wensdenken van bepaalde reporters is.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:38
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Dit soort artikelen lees ik meer, maar heb toch het idee dat het vooral wensdenken van bepaalde reporters is.
Bernstein wordt volgens mij wel breed gezien als een respectabele verslaggever. Een van de verslaggevers die watergate onthulden.
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:44
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Dat getwitter van hem blijft hilarisch. Wat een idioot :D!
Gejat van Hugo Chavez.
En de alternative facts van Mao.
Ringodonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:53
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Dit soort artikelen lees ik meer, maar heb toch het idee dat het vooral wensdenken van bepaalde reporters is.
Ik ga er nog steeds vanuit dat er ook bij de GOP verstandige mensen zitten. En die redeneren echt niet anders dan verstandige mensen buiten de partij.

Daarnaast, zo geliefd is Trump niet binnen de GOP. Zijn verkiezing haalde de scherpe kantjes er even vanaf, maar eenmaal op het paard gehesen, zullen zich zeker krachten bundelen binnen de Republikeinse partij om hem zo snel mogelijk weer van het paard te gooien.
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Ah, de "links deed het ook" defense. Hebben we dat ook weer gehad.
Elke keer die godwin erin gooien wordt ook een beetje flauw natuurlijk.
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:58
President van Mexico zegt meeting met Trump af.
Trump had getweet: als je niet wilt betalen, blijf dan maar weg.
Ringodonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 17:59
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President van Mexico zegt meeting met Trump af.
Trump: "No no no it was me it was me!"
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:02
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Trump: "No no no it was me it was me!"
Veel Republikeinen hebben gezegd: We moeten met Mexico praten over die muur. Dus de vraag is of die blij zijn met zo'n snelle diplomatieke crisis.

Trump gaat vanavond vermoedelijk weer iets ondertekenen: de 'verkiezingsfraude' wordt onderzocht.
Puddingtondonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:02
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Holy fucking shit, dat is NIET goed.
venomsnakedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:03
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President van Mexico zegt meeting met Trump af.
Trump had getweet: als je niet wilt betalen, blijf dan maar weg.
Haha :D

*checkt twitter voor reactie Trump
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:10
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Haha :D

*checkt twitter voor reactie Trump
Die stomme kloot heeft geen ruk verstand van politiek en diplomatie.

Ik moet wel toegeven dat die Mexicaan ballen heeft.
Als ik hem was, zou ik later vandaag een eigen eis stellen: geef Texas en New Mexico terug aan ons, anders gaan we een nuclair programma beginnen.

:P
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:10
Ik vind het een goed plan, in het vervolg kiezen voor
- een iPhone; of
- een iPhone made in the USA met een opslag van 200$ (met dank aan tariffs en productie in de US)

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/apple-iphone-made-in-america.html

Eens kijken hoe het precies zit met dat patriotisme, en of Joe Average dan ook nog staat te juichen over Dow 20,000. Donald maakt alles YUGE. Vooral de inflatie waar met name Joe Average last van heeft.
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:12
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Ik vind het een goed plan, in het vervolg kiezen voor
- een iPhone; of
- een iPhone made in the USA met een opslag van 200$

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/26/apple-iphone-made-in-america.html

Eens kijken hoe het precies zit met dat patriotisme, en of Joe Average dan ook nog staat te juichen over Dow 20,000
Dow 20.000 is hetzelfde luchtkasteel als vlak voor de grote financiële crisis.
En met deze hork komt er een nieuwe handelsoorlog, wat ik je brom. Slecht voor iedereen.
venomsnakedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:12
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Die stomme kloot heeft geen ruk verstand van politiek en diplomatie.


Tenekrommend inderdaad. Je krijgt er bijna plaatsvervangende schaamte van..

Alles is nu ook BREAKING, hij stapt nu live uit zijn vliegtuig op CNN :')
Mystikvmdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:14
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Holy fucking shit, dat is NIET goed.
Voor hun 10 anderen. Trump wist ook zijn kabinet vol te krijgen, dan zijn er ook wel een paar topambtenaren te vinden.
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:15
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Die stomme kloot heeft geen ruk verstand van politiek en diplomatie.

Ik moet wel toegeven dat die Mexicaan ballen heeft.
Als ik hem was, zou ik later vandaag een eigen eis stellen: geef Texas en New Mexico terug aan ons, anders gaan we een nuclair programma beginnen.

:P
Als Trump zijn zin krijgt, krijgt ie Zjina als zuiderlijke buurman. Zou wel aardig zijn als El Presidente ipv zijn afgezegde afspraak in Washtington een afspraak in Beijing blijkt hebben ;)
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:17
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Als Trump zijn zin krijgt, krijgt ie Zjina als zuiderlijke buurman. Zou wel aardig zijn als El Presidente ipv zijn afgezegde afspraak in Washtington een afspraak in Beijing blijkt hebben ;)
Nah, hij heeft nu wat xtra tijd om Teresa May bij haar pussy te grijpen.
Alles beter dan een Chinees die je niet kunt verstaan.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:17
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Voor hun 10 anderen. Trump wist ook zijn kabinet vol te krijgen, dan zijn er ook wel een paar topambtenaren te vinden.
Ja, dat zeg jij, maar anderen denken daar toch echt anders over:

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“It’s the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and that’s incredibly difficult to replicate,” said David Wade, who served as State Department chief of staff under Secretary of State John Kerry. “Department expertise in security, management, administrative and consular positions in particular are very difficult to replicate and particularly difficult to find in the private sector.”

Several senior foreign service officers in the State Department’s regional bureaus have also left their posts or resigned since the election. But the emptying of leadership in the management bureaus is more disruptive because those offices need to be led by people who know the department and have experience running its complicated bureaucracies. There’s no easy way to replace that via the private sector, said Wade.
Ringodonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:18
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Voor hun 10 anderen. Trump wist ook zijn kabinet vol te krijgen, dan zijn er ook wel een paar topambtenaren te vinden.
Ja. Zeker. Heus wel. :').
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:18
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Voor hun 10 anderen. Trump wist ook zijn kabinet vol te krijgen, dan zijn er ook wel een paar topambtenaren te vinden.
Jij stelt ook niet echt hoge eisen aan 's lands bestuur he, als er maar wat zit?
Ringodonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:21
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Ja, dat zeg jij, maar anderen denken daar toch echt anders over.
Zoveel kennis in één keer verliezen, daar wordt geen enkele organisatie beter van.
Maar misschien is dit Mr Trump's manier van draining the swamp. Stop eruit trekken en wachten tot het bad is leeggelopen.
Ludachristdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:22
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Voor hun 10 anderen. Trump wist ook zijn kabinet vol te krijgen, dan zijn er ook wel een paar topambtenaren te vinden.
Lastiger dan je denkt in dit geval. Ben benieuwd waar Tillerson mee gaat komen qua vervangers.
Puddingtondonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:23
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Ja, dat zeg jij, maar anderen denken daar toch echt anders over:

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Mwaah, Trump geeft toch geen ruk om expertise dus dat hoeft geen probleem te zijn. Kijk maar naar DeVos.
OMGdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:30
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Lastiger dan je denkt in dit geval. Ben benieuwd waar Tillerson mee gaat komen qua vervangers.
Een stel Russen, zou zomaar kunnen, natuurlijk. :P.
KoosVogelsdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:31
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Veel Republikeinen hebben gezegd: We moeten met Mexico praten over die muur. Dus de vraag is of die blij zijn met zo'n snelle diplomatieke crisis.

Trump gaat vanavond vermoedelijk weer iets ondertekenen: de 'verkiezingsfraude' wordt onderzocht.
Je wint de verkiezingen, maar omdat je het niet kan verkroppen dat je de popular vote hebt verloren, wil je koste wat kost aantonen dat er op grote schaal stembusfraude is gepleegd, terwijl daar geen bewijs voor bestaat.
crystal_methdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:33
Trump Could Really Mess Up Mexico’s Economy.

geen idee waar de fivethirtyeight voor staat...
2dopedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:33
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Die stomme kloot heeft geen ruk verstand van politiek en diplomatie.

Ik moet wel toegeven dat die Mexicaan ballen heeft.
Als ik hem was, zou ik later vandaag een eigen eis stellen: geef Texas en New Mexico terug aan ons, anders gaan we een nuclair programma beginnen.

:P
Van welk geld precies? Mexico is economisch best wel een beetje heel erg afhankelijk van de V.S.
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Jij stelt ook niet echt hoge eisen aan 's lands bestuur he, als er maar wat zit?
Nee, er zijn voldoende opportunisten die hun handen er graag aan willen branden als ze er maar mee vooruit komen.

Als politiek over integriteit ging had Trump geen minister kunnen vinden. Hoezo kan Tillerson dan niet een paar matig gekwalificeerde kandidaten voor zijn ministerie vinden?
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:37
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Dit soort artikelen lees ik meer, maar heb toch het idee dat het vooral wensdenken van bepaalde reporters is.
Ik heb echt de indruk dat de conservatieven juist erg verdeeld zijn, zie hier bv. een blogpost van RedState (stukjes bold van mij):

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Trump’s Justification For Claiming Millions Voted Illegally Is Drifting Into Insanity

Back in November, I wrote where Trump originally obtained the information for his claims “millions” of illegal votes were cast for Hillary Clinton, supposedly costing Trump the popular vote. Gregg Phillips who claimed to “verify” the numbers has yet to release any information. Now Trump is offering up some other “evidence” of these allegations. The story is so absurd; one has to wonder how Trump could tell it and think he’d get away with it.

The story appeared in the NY Times, and nobody on the Trump team has denied it, presumably because Republican and Democratic members of Congress and Trump staff were all present.

> Mr. Trump kicked off the meeting, participants said, by retelling his debunked claim that he would have won the popular vote if not for the three million to five million ballots cast by “illegals.” He followed it up with a Twitter post early Wednesday calling for a major investigation into voter fraud.
> When one of the Democrats protested, Mr. Trump said he was told a story by “the very famous golfer, Bernhard Langer,” whom he described as a friend, according to three staff members who were in the room for the meeting.
> The witnesses described the story this way: Mr. Langer, a 59-year-old native of Bavaria, Germany — a winner of the Masters twice and of more than 100 events on major professional golf tours around the world — was standing in line at a polling place near his home in Florida on Election Day, the president explained, when an official informed Mr. Langer he would not be able to vote.
> Ahead of and behind Mr. Langer were voters who did not look as if they should be allowed to vote, Mr. Trump said, according to the staff members — but they were nonetheless permitted to cast provisional ballots. The president threw out the names of Latin American countries that the voters might have come from.
> Mr. Langer, whom he described as a supporter, left feeling frustrated, according to a version of events later contradicted by a White House official.

What. The. Hell?

Naturally, reporters tried to follow up with Langer on this story. They got a hold of his daughter who informed the Times that Langer is a citizen of Germany and permanent resident alien in the United States, which means he is not legally allowed to vote. Bernard Langer is no dummy. That he’d show up at some polling station is crazy, and the notion officials would pull him out of the line and say he wasn’t able to vote even crazier.

The President has to stop this. In his interview with David Muir of ABC’s World News Tonight, he rightfully called out the media for giving short shrift to the March for Life. It attracts hundreds of thousands of people and is virtually ignored by the press.

It was great, but the media will spend more time talking about Trump’s tall tales. Trump and his team can complain about the press all they want, but when team Trump hands the media the sword used to cut off their heads, they shouldn’t be surprised when it happens.
Of bv. dit van Cato: Withdrawing from TPP Was a Senseless Act of Wanton Destruction
Ringodonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:38
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Nee, er zijn voldoende opportunisten die hun handen er graag aan willen branden als ze er maar mee vooruit komen.

Als politiek over integriteit ging had Trump geen minister kunnen vinden. Hoezo kan Tillerson dan niet een paar matig gekwalificeerde kandidaten voor zijn ministerie vinden?
Dit gaat over de vervanging van ambtenaren, niet van politici.
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:42
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Van welk geld precies? Mexico is economisch best wel een beetje heel erg afhankelijk van de V.S.
Check de smiley. Natuurlijk zal Nieto dat niet doen.

Los daarvan: Mexico is geen vijand van de VS, maar een bondgenoot. Gisteren heeft Nieto nog een handreiking gedaan, om op die vriendschap verder te bouwen.
Dit soort botheid maakt andere landen kopschuw. Ieder land/politiek leider kent zijn trots. Als je als bevriend staatshoofd zo denigrerend wordt benaderd (op Twitter nota bene), zou dat wel eens tot volkomen onnodige spanningen kunnen leiden.

Bovendien weet ik nog wel een straatarm land dat vrolijk doorwerkt aan een fijn nucleair arsenaal.
Mystikvmdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:43
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Dit gaat over de vervanging van ambtenaren, niet van politici.
Alsof ambtenaren niet opportunistisch kunnen zijn. Hoe dan ook, de vervangers zullen ja-knikkers zijn.

In dit topic wordt al een jaar van alles aangegrepen om de val van Trump te illustreren. Helaas is die man nu gewoon president en wordt hem maar weinig in de weg gelegd. Ik zou verwachten dat de trouwe lezers wat cynischer zouden zijn geworden over wat een probleem vormt voor deze sociopaat. Kwalificaties, integriteit, waarheidsvinding en landsbelang tellen niet zolang Trump en zijn trawanten aan de macht zijn. Ik zou er dan ook niet teveel op vertrouwen dat dat een rol gaat spelen. Als het een rol had gespeeld, had dat hele kabinet er niet gezeten.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:46
Als je meer Mexicanen wil is het beste wat je kunt doen hun economie vernaggelen.
Confettidonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:48
Meer popcorn-nieuws in 1 week dan 8 jaar Obama. Man man :')
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:48
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Als je meer Mexicanen wil is het beste wat je kunt doen hun economie vernaggelen.
Dat ook nog.
Tenzij je op eigen (torenhoge) kosten alsnog die indrukwekkende muur bouwt.
Montovdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:48
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realDonaldTrump twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 12:04:24 Ungrateful TRAITOR Chelsea Manning, who should never have been released from prison, is now calling President Obama a weak leader. Terrible! reageer retweet
Een mooi inkijkje in de denkwereld van Trump: als je iemand iets geeft mag die geen enkele kritiek meer op je hebben, want dat is ondankbaar en terrible.
Hij blijft mij verbazen met zijn tweets. :{
En hij blijft ook maar doorgaan over die miljoenen illegale stemmen omdat hij butthurt is van het verliezen van de popular vote. Het was al duidelijk dat hij een narcist is, maar hij raakt compleet gescheiden van de realiteit.
Ringodonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:49
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Alsof ambtenaren niet opportunistisch kunnen zijn. Hoe dan ook, de vervangers zullen ja-knikkers zijn.
En daarmee creëer je, op de middellange termijn, of bij een plotselinge crisis, dus een groot probleem. Ik neem aan dat jij en ik het daarover eens zijn.
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In dit topic wordt al een jaar van alles aangegrepen om de val van Trump te illustreren. Helaas is die man nu gewoon president en wordt hem maar weinig in de weg gelegd. Ik zou verwachten dat de trouwe lezers wat cynischer zouden zijn geworden over wat een probleem vormt voor deze sociopaat. Kwalificaties, integriteit, waarheidsvinding en landsbelang tellen niet zolang Trump en zijn trawanten aan de macht zijn.
Dat is inmiddels voor iedereen duidelijk. Alleen kan het nog wel even duren voordat de gevolgen van zulk politiek "beleid" zichtbaar worden.
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:49
Lekkere despoot is het ook, eerst een jaar lang een benoeming van een rechter blokkeren en dan dreigen die van jou er doorheen te drukken

http://www.politico.com/s(...)uclear-option-234221

en als bonus over zijn keus voor het hooggerechtshof

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Trump is expected to announce his court pick next week. He told Hannity that he has "made my decision pretty much in my mind."

"That's subject to change at the last moment," he said. "But I think this will be a great choice."
Gaat ie de avond ervoor schijten, kijkt naar zijn crap en denkt ie dan, ach laat ik Pietje eens benoemen? That is subject to change at the last moment? Die vent spoort niet.
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:50
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Hij blijft mij verbazen met zijn tweets. :{
En hij blijft ook maar doorgaan over die miljoenen illegale stemmen omdat hij butthurt is van het verliezen van de popular vote. Het was al duidelijk dat hij een narcist is, maar hij raakt compleet gescheiden van de realiteit.
Ieder volk krijgt de leider die het verdient.
Probleem is: die have gare is de baas vh machtigste land ter wereld.
Hopelijk blijven die slappe Republikeinen niet als schapen achter hem aanhobbelen. Maar alleen al voor belastingverlaging doen die lui alles.
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:50
zometeen live, wat zal ie weer snuiven.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/(...)blican-congress.html
Puddingtondonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:51
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Trump Could Really Mess Up Mexico’s Economy.

geen idee waar de fivethirtyeight voor staat...
Het aantal kiesmannen voor het electoraal college.
Mystikvmdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:52
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En daarmee creëer je, op de middellange termijn, of bij een plotselinge crisis, dus een groot probleem. Ik neem aan dat jij en ik het daarover eens zijn.


Uiteraard. Maar dat is geen probleem voor Trump. Slechts een probleem voor de rest van het land. Maar daar hebben ze er al genoeg van dankzij deze man. Gooi deze maar op de hoop.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:53
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Lekkere despoot is het ook, eerst een jaar lang een benoeming blokkeren en dan dreigen die van jou er doorheen te drukken

http://www.politico.com/s(...)uclear-option-234221
Ik vraag me af of er 48 senatoren te vinden zouden zijn die dat zouden willen afschaffen voor een niet al te onredelijk verzoek van de democraten, laat staan 50. Aan de andere kant zitten er veel nutcases, dus tsjah.

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brokjespoesdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:56
AP: Border Patrol chief out day after Trump border fence decree

Iets met ratten en een schip? :{ (Het is nog niet bekend of hij zelf is opgestapt of gevraagd is te vertrekken, maar het is alwéér een lege stoel die moet worden gevuld.)
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:58
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Ik vraag me af of er 48 senatoren te vinden zouden zijn die dat zouden willen afschaffen voor een niet al te onredelijk verzoek van de democraten, laat staan 50. Aan de andere kant zitten er veel nutcases, dus tsjah.

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Wat een bananenrepubliek is het ook..... en dat is the greatest nation on earth? :D
Pino112donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:58
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Gewoon met Gmail
crystal_methdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 18:59
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Het aantal kiesmannen voor het electoraal college.
ow, site van Nate Silver...
Papierversnipperaardonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:03
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Voor hun 10 anderen.
Hahahaha, nee hoor. En als het met andere depertementen ook zo gaat is de USofA volgende week een failed state.
brokjespoesdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:10
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En als het met andere depertementen ook zo gaat
Ook al opgestapt:
- Gregory Starr, Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security
- Lydia Muniz, director of the Bureau of Overseas Building Operations
- Mark Morgan, Chief Border Patrol (in charge of securing America's borders with Mexico and Canada)
PippenScottiedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:11
Ik ben hier een maand of drie niet geweest. Maar het lijkt me tijd voor weer eens een rondvraag.

Zijn er inmiddels al Trumpfans die schoorvoetend willen toegeven dat de beste man ziek is in zijn hoofd en volslagen ongeschikt voor zijn functie?
PippenScottiedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:13
En is al gepost dat Sean Spicer, persofficier van het witte huis, al twee dagen op rij zijn sociaal media wachtwoord op twitter heeft gepost.

:N
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:14
Sjezus Christ, gaan ze nou bidden voor elke speech?

Nu de zegen van God gevraagd is voro de Executive Orders, here is your roast master Donald Trump

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/(...)blican-congress.html
brokjespoesdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:17
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Sjezus Christ, gaan ze nou bidden voor elke speech?
"Please God, don't let him declare war on Mexico. Or on Canada if they side with Mexico. Or on Jyna, whereever that may be."
Mystikvmdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:17
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Ik ben hier een maand of drie niet geweest. Maar het lijkt me tijd voor weer eens een rondvraag.

Zijn er inmiddels al Trumpfans die schoorvoetend willen toegeven dat de beste man ziek is in zijn hoofd en volslagen ongeschikt voor zijn functie?
De meesten hebben het schip verlaten volgens mij. Verkiezingen voorbij, trollen is niet leuk meer.
brokjespoesdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:19
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En is al gepost dat Sean Spicer, persofficier van het witte huis, al twee dagen op rij zijn sociaal media wachtwoord op twitter heeft gepost.
Yep.

Ontwikkelingen gaan erg snel hier. :P
Eyjafjallajoekulldonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:20
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Ik ben hier een maand of drie niet geweest. Maar het lijkt me tijd voor weer eens een rondvraag.

Zijn er inmiddels al Trumpfans die schoorvoetend willen toegeven dat de beste man ziek is in zijn hoofd en volslagen ongeschikt voor zijn functie?
Niet op www.reddit.com/r/the_donald in ieder geval. Persoonlijk krijg ik hoofdpijn als ik daar te lang aan het lezen ben.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:21
Als je het daar zou toegeven word je gebanned, zou ik denken. Bizarre safe space.
Eyjafjallajoekulldonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:22
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Als je het daar zou toegeven word je gebanned, zou ik denken. Bizarre safe space.
Klopt, alleen als je hem 100% aanbid kan je daar posten. Anders wordt je direct geminned.

Hoewel er wel een aantal die-hard trump fans het oneens waren met elkaar laatst, over dat Trump zei dat als Chicago niet veiliger wordt de overheid moet ingrijpen. De die-hard reps vinden dat natuurlijk niets want die zien dat als overheids bemoeienis.

OT: Mexicaanse president annuleert zijn ontmoeting met Trump...
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:23
We gaan onze eigen pijpleiding maken, van beter staal, EN goedkoper. Uhh, waarom doen ze dat nu niet al dan? :D

Zou daar nou nog iemand zijn die daar in trapt?
Eyjafjallajoekulldonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:25
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We gaan onze eigen pijpleiding maken, van beter staal, EN goedkoper. Uhh, waarom doen ze dat nu niet al dan? :D

Zou daar nou nog iemand zijn die daar in trapt?
En: https://www.theguardian.c(...)nt-jobs-trump-claims
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:25
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Klopt, alleen als je hem 100% aanbid kan je daar posten. Anders wordt je direct geminned.

OT: Mexicaanse president annuleert zijn ontmoeting met Trump...
Die OT was anderhalf uur geleden al gemeld.
En dat Trump dus eindelijk echt 'succes' heeft met z'n denigrerende tweets.
Eyjafjallajoekulldonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:26
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Die OT was anderhalf uur geleden al gemeld.
En dat Trump dus eindelijk echt 'succes' heeft met z'n denigrerende tweets.
Ah okay zeg het pas net. Ik ken de president van Mexico eigenlijk verder niet. Wat is dat voor man?
Ringodonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:26
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Die OT was anderhalf uur geleden al gemeld.
En dat Trump dus eindelijk echt 'succes' heeft met z'n denigrerende tweets.
Hij heeft natuurlijk gewoon een diplomatieke nederlaag geleden.
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:28
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Hij heeft natuurlijk gewoon een diplomatieke nederlaag geleden.
Hij zegt net dat als een land het niet eens is met zijn tradedeal, dat hij (Trump) een 30 day notice stuurt, en dat ze dan op hun knieen komen smeken of ze een trade deal mogen aflsluiten met Trump.

Nu gaat ie los over Meixico

En bedreiet Mitch McConnel nog even subtiel.... :D wft :D Jij bent niet zo'n politicus, he, Mitch?
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:32
Trump zegt dat ie overwogen heeft Obamacare nog twee jaar ongewijzigd te laten bestaan, dan zouden de Democraten hem komen smeken om er iets aan te doen....
Eyjafjallajoekulldonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:35
Republikeinen in Texas vinden de wall ook niet zo'n goed idee:

http://thehill.com/homene(...)ast-effective-way-to
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:36
De Republikeinse partij is altijd DE partji van de Amerikaanse working man gewest, aldus Trump.
bluemoon23donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:39
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Ik ken de president van Mexico eigenlijk verder niet. Wat is dat voor man?
Iemand die de drugsoorlog in zijn land niet onder controle krijgt :{w
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:39
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Trump zegt dat ie overwogen heeft Obamacare nog twee jaar ongewijzigd te laten bestaan, dan zouden de Democraten hem komen smeken om er iets aan te doen....
En z'n leuter groeit alweer.
Het wordt wel lastig nu: is dit gedateerde campagnepraat van 2016?
Of alvast campagnepraat voor 2020?
Geniaal spreker toch wel, die man.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:40
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Elke keer die godwin erin gooien wordt ook een beetje flauw natuurlijk.
Ik zie geen godwin. Ik zie alleen jou maar over de Soviets praten. Geen enkele verwijzing naar iets anders.

Je weet toch wel wat een godwin is, he?
Xa1ptdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:40
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Iemand die de drugsoorlog in zijn land niet onder controle krijgt :{w
Dat kun je ook moeilijk in je eentje klaarspelen, en nu Trump de samenwerking op slot zet wordt dat helemaal een lastig verhaal.
invalidusernamedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:45
Trump blijft maar naar Mike Pompeo vragen, Mike where are you.

Maar die is er helemaal niet bij.

Verder heeft ie de hele speech niks inhoudelijks gemeld, gewoon herhaald wat ie altijd zegt.
Alles wordt groter, beter, EN goedkoper.
Our beautifull clean coal.

Dan roept ie; we will build the wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.
Tekent een executive order..... en dan...... wie gaat wat exact doen?

Zelfde met die pijpleidingen waar ie nu weer over sprak.

Er tekent zich een trend af, Trump tekent met veel show een Executive Order, maar heeft zodadelijk niemand die 'm gaat uivoeren Hij denkt kennelijk echt dat als een papiertje ondertekent dat het dan zo is. Die leeft echt in lalaland.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:46
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Klopt, alleen als je hem 100% aanbid kan je daar posten. Anders wordt je direct geminned.

Hoewel er wel een aantal die-hard trump fans het oneens waren met elkaar laatst, over dat Trump zei dat als Chicago niet veiliger wordt de overheid moet ingrijpen. De die-hard reps vinden dat natuurlijk niets want die zien dat als overheids bemoeienis.
Hm, goede ontwikkeling I guess. Kan verder /r/neutralpolitics wel aanbevelen. Alles wat je als feit poneert moet je daar sourcen, wat leidt tot veel meer inhoud en ook meer diversiteit dan /r/the_donald en /r/politics.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:47
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Er tekent zich een trend af, Trump tekent met veel show een Executive Order, maar heeft zodadelijk niemand die 'm gaat uivoeren Hij denkt kennelijk echt dat als een papiertje ondertekent dat het dan zo is. Die leeft echt in lalaland.
Het lijkt er op alsof hij hetzelfde idee heeft als een deel van het electoraat... dat de president alles kan en mag bepalen.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 19:57
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 19:45 schreef invalidusername het volgende:
Trump blijft maar naar Mike Pompeo vragen, Mike where are you.

Maar die is er helemaal niet bij.

Verder heeft ie de hele speech niks inhoudelijks gemeld, gewoon herhaald wat ie altijd zegt.
Alles wordt groter, beter, EN goedkoper.
Our beautifull clean coal.

Dan roept ie; we will build the wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.
Tekent een executive order..... en dan...... wie gaat wat exact doen?

Zelfde met die pijpleidingen waar ie nu weer over sprak.

Er tekent zich een trend af, Trump tekent met veel show een Executive Order, maar heeft zodadelijk niemand die 'm gaat uivoeren Hij denkt kennelijk echt dat als een papiertje ondertekent dat het dan zo is. Die leeft echt in lalaland.
Clean coal? Er is welgeteld een clean coal project in de VS en dat is gigantisch mislukt nadat er miljarden in gepompt zijn door de overheid. Man spoort niet.
PippenScottiedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:02
Kan iemand een goede, objectieve podcast aanraden waarmee ik een beetje op de hoogte kan blijven van de stand van zaken in Amerika?

Ik ben veel onderweg en kijk bijna geen tv meer. Podcasts zijn een beetje mijn primaire nieuwsbron geworden.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:14
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Kan iemand een goede, objectieve podcast aanraden waarmee ik een beetje op de hoogte kan blijven van de stand van zaken in Amerika?

Ik ben veel onderweg en kijk bijna geen tv meer. Podcasts zijn een beetje mijn primaire nieuwsbron geworden.
PBS en NPR staan erg hoog aangeschreven voor hun betrouwbaarheid en neutraliteit.

http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500005/hourly-news-summary
https://itunes.apple.com/(...)our/id394432287?mt=2
Monolithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:16
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PBS en NPR staan erg hoog aangeschreven voor hun betrouwbaarheid en neutraliteit.

http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500005/hourly-news-summary
https://itunes.apple.com/(...)our/id394432287?mt=2
Niet echt populair onder conservatieven dan weer. :P
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:19
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Niet echt populair onder conservatieven dan weer. :P
Heh, tsjah, Fox News is dan ook wel dramatisch :)

Serieus echter, NPR wordt volgens mij best veel geluisterd in conservatieve delen van de VS.
agterdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:22
Kan iemand mij uitleggen hoe het met die executive orders zit?
Die moeten toch nog door het parlement?
En in het geval van pijplijnen door indianenland, lijkt me dat de rechter daar ook nog wat van kan vinden.
Idem voor het onteigenen van grond voor die muur.
PippenScottiedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:24
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PBS en NPR staan erg hoog aangeschreven voor hun betrouwbaarheid en neutraliteit.

http://www.npr.org/podcasts/500005/hourly-news-summary
https://itunes.apple.com/(...)our/id394432287?mt=2
Thanks. NPR heb ik nog wel eens geluisterd in aanloop naar de verkiezingen.
bluemoon23donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:25
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Ik zie geen godwin. Ik zie alleen jou maar over de Soviets praten. Geen enkele verwijzing naar iets anders.

Je weet toch wel wat een godwin is, he?
Wel opletten he :{w , die post waar ik op reageerde had het wel over Godwins.
Kansenjongeredonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:26
quote:
1s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 20:22 schreef agter het volgende:
Kan iemand mij uitleggen hoe het met die executive orders zit?
Die moeten toch nog door het parlement?
En in het geval van pijplijnen door indianenland, lijkt me dat de rechter daar ook nog wat van kan vinden.
Idem voor het onteigenen van grond voor die muur.
http://nos.nl/op3/artikel(...)ening-onder-zet.html
Toby56donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:26
quote:
1s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 20:22 schreef agter het volgende:
Kan iemand mij uitleggen hoe het met die executive orders zit?
Die moeten toch nog door het parlement?
En in het geval van pijplijnen door indianenland, lijkt me dat de rechter daar ook nog wat van kan vinden.
Idem voor het onteigenen van grond voor die muur.
Klopt gedeeltelijk.
Maar daar stoort Trump zich niet aan. Die heeft zich nog nooit ergens aan gestoord.
Die zal, bij tegengas, gewoon de onbetrouwbare rechterlijke macht de schuld geven. Allemaal liberals natuurlijk. Die moeten we maar eens gaan vervangen.
En het volk zal hem toejuichen.
bluemoon23donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:28
quote:
1s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 20:22 schreef agter het volgende:
En in het geval van pijplijnen door indianenland, lijkt me dat de rechter daar ook nog wat van kan vinden.
Idem voor het onteigenen van grond voor die muur.
Die pijplijn gaat niet door "indianenland" (hun reservaat), maar erlangs.

Ook wel interessant om te vermelden is dat een andere Native American stam ermee ingestemd heeft dat de pijpleiding over hun land gaat, tegen fikse betaling uiteraard.
http://insideenergy.org/2(...)tiously-embraces-it/
quote:
While North Dakota's Standing Rock Sioux Tribe makes headlines in protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline, oil development is playing out differently for another of the state's Indian nations.

One hundred fifty miles up the Missouri River from Standing Rock, pipelines and pumpjacks are plenty on the Fort Berthold reservation.
More than 4,000 miles of pipe carrying oil, natural gas and wastewater criss-cross the reservation in the heart of the Bakken oil patch.
Fort Berthold is home the Three Affiliated Tribes -- the Mandan, Hidatsa and Arikara -- known as MHA Nation.
Many people on the reservation have found prosperity in the oil industry.
T.J. Plenty Chief, for one, owns three trucks with his Red Road Trucking business he started in 2012. He said truck drivers in the oil fields can make over $90,000 per year. His job pays the bills, helping him support nine children.
"Before the boom, I had to work a lot harder and work in other jobs I didn't really care for as much, working at the casino or whatever," he said.

A decade ago there was almost no oil activity on Fort Berthold, but today more than 1,400 wells dot the reservation.
MHA's own oil company, Missouri River Resources, operates several of those wells.

MHA Nation has brought in substantial money from oil production on its lands --
$800 million in tax revenue since 2008, according to North Dakota's tax commissioner's office. Plus, MHA Chairman Mark Fox says the nation's collected $800 million in royalties.


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ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:30
quote:
In aanvulling hierop: er zijn beleidsterreinen waar de president ooit bevoegdheid heeft gekregen van het congres. Het is dus op een aantal terreinen wel mogelijk om dingen echt gedaan te krijgen zonder eerst dingen in de wet te moeten regelen (wat het domein van het congres is). Obama heeft zo bijvoorbeeld in december 2 grote stukken land als national monument uitgeroepen. Congres heeft in dat geval echter destijds niet het recht toegekend aan de president om national monuments ongedaan te maken.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:32
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In aanvulling hierop: er zijn beleidsterreinen waar de president ooit bevoegdheid heeft gekregen van het congres. Het is dus op een aantal terreinen wel mogelijk om dingen echt gedaan te krijgen zonder eerst dingen in de wet te moeten regelen (wat het domein van het congres is). Obama heeft zo bijvoorbeeld in december 2 grote stukken land als national monument uitgeroepen. Congres heeft in dat geval echter destijds niet het recht toegekend aan de president om national monuments ongedaan te maken.
Dat was wel een hele slimme zet van Obama ;)
Kansenjongeredonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:32
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In aanvulling hierop: er zijn beleidsterreinen waar de president ooit bevoegdheid heeft gekregen van het congres. Het is dus op een aantal terreinen wel mogelijk om dingen echt gedaan te krijgen zonder eerst dingen in de wet te moeten regelen (wat het domein van het congres is). Obama heeft zo bijvoorbeeld in december 2 grote stukken land als national monument uitgeroepen. Congres heeft in dat geval echter destijds niet het recht toegekend aan de president om national monuments ongedaan te maken.
Dan zal die lelijke Trump Tower binnenkort ook wel een nationaal monument worden.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:33
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Dan zal die lelijke Trump Tower binnenkort ook wel een nationaal monument worden.
Hahaha, dat zou wat zijn. _O-
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:35
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Dat was wel een hele slimme zet van Obama ;)
Heh ja, de republikeinen waren ook not amused.
#ANONIEMdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:48
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Sjezus Christ, gaan ze nou bidden voor elke speech?

Nu de zegen van God gevraagd is voro de Executive Orders, here is your roast master Donald Trump

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/(...)blican-congress.html
Problemen mee? Jammer :)
bluemoon23donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 20:57
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1s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 18:02 schreef Puddington het volgende:
Holy fucking shit, dat is NIET goed.
Volgens CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/20(...)istration/index.html
Volgens traditie dienen ze hun ontslag in bij een nieuwe president.
Normaal gesproken mogen sommigen dan gewoon weer verder bij de nieuwe president.
Maar nu werd dat ontslag ingewilligd en mochten ze vertrekken _O-
quote:
Two senior administration officials said Thursday that the Trump administration told four top State Department management officials that their services were no longer needed as part of an effort to "clean house" at Foggy Bottom.
All four, career officers serving in positions appointed by the President, submitted letters of resignation per tradition at the beginning of a new administration.
The letters from the White House said that their resignations were accepted and they were thanked for their service.
The White House usually asks career officials in such positions to stay on for a few months until their successors are confirmed.
Mark Toner, the State Department's acting spokesman, said in a statement that "These positions are political appointments, and require the President to nominate and the Senate to confirm them in these roles. They are not career appointments but of limited term."
He continued, "Of the officers whose resignations were accepted, some will continue in the Foreign Service in other positions, and others will retire by choice or because they have exceeded the time limits of their grade in service."
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:09
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 20:57 schreef bluemoon23 het volgende:

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Volgens CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/20(...)istration/index.html
Volgens traditie dienen ze hun ontslag in bij een nieuwe president.
Normaal gesproken mogen sommigen dan gewoon weer verder bij de nieuwe president.
Maar nu werd dat ontslag ingewilligd en mochten ze vertrekken _O-

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Stond ook in het artikeltje wat ik postte:

quote:
Then suddenly on Wednesday afternoon, Kennedy and three of his top officials resigned unexpectedly, four State Department officials confirmed. Assistant Secretary of State for Administration Joyce Anne Barr, Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Ambassador Gentry O. Smith, director of the Office of Foreign Missions, followed him out the door. All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

Kennedy will retire from the foreign service at the end of the month, officials said. The other officials could be given assignments elsewhere in the foreign service.

In addition, Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security Gregory Starr retired Jan. 20, and the director of the Bureau of Overseas Building Operations, Lydia Muniz, departed the same day. That amounts to a near-complete housecleaning of all the senior officials that deal with managing the State Department, its overseas posts and its people.

“It’s the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and that’s incredibly difficult to replicate,” said David Wade, who served as State Department chief of staff under Secretary of State John Kerry.
De omvang is wat het wel een dingetje maakt.
Klopkoekdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:11
ExtraWaskracht, hier heb je nog een voorbeeld van Trump achtige politiek in Nederland

https://mobile.twitter.com/ewaldeng/status/824613331357040641

(hopelijk begrijp je mijn punt een beetje... óók mensen die in dictaturen leven zien het wel vaak bij andere dictaturen, maar niet bij henzelf)
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:24
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1s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 21:11 schreef Klopkoek het volgende:
ExtraWaskracht, hier heb je nog een voorbeeld van Trump achtige politiek in Nederland

https://mobile.twitter.com/ewaldeng/status/824613331357040641

(hopelijk begrijp je mijn punt een beetje... óók mensen die in dictaturen leven zien het wel vaak bij andere dictaturen, maar niet bij henzelf)
Als universiteiten politiek gekuist gaan worden (mss zou die VVD'er zich af moeten vragen wat het doel van zo'n onderzoek zou zijn... wat voor beleid wil hij dan erop loslaten?!) en de overheid als beleid wetenschappers in hun dienst verbiedt om over zaken die hen onwelgevallig zijn te communiceren ben ik best bereid daartegen te demonstreren hoor. Zou ook tevens de eerste keer zijn dat ik dat zou doen. Wel droevenis dat dit niet breder bekend is; zal er wel wat mee te maken hebben dat het niet in beleid wordt omgezet (voor zover ik weet), maar bij gepraat blijft.
KingRadlerdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:27
betekent dit een handelsoorlog met Mexico
Nintexdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:37
Als ik dit zie staakt het echt haaks op wat de media schrijven over boze republikeinen en totale chaos.


Mexico is going to pay for the wall

L0gg0l twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 21:26:11 TRUMP TO IMPOSE 20% TAX ON ALL IMPORTS FROM MEXICO (AS PAYMENT FOR WALL), SPICER SAYS (via @ZekeJMiller ) reageer retweet
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:43
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 21:37 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Als ik dit zie staakt het echt haaks op wat de media schrijven over boze republikeinen en totale chaos.


Mexico is going to pay for the wall

L0gg0l twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 21:26:11 TRUMP TO IMPOSE 20% TAX ON ALL IMPORTS FROM MEXICO (AS PAYMENT FOR WALL), SPICER SAYS (via @ZekeJMiller ) reageer retweet
Lijkt mij een leuke gedachte maar eh...zitten ze niet met zijn drieen in NAFTA?
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:44
Anyway, Dumb and Dumber strikes again:

An insecure phone, a press secretary posting his password, and private e-mail—really?

https://arstechnica.com/t(...)ecurity-woes-abound/
Perrindonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:46
quote:
0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 21:44 schreef Tijger_nootje het volgende:
Anyway, Dumb and Dumber strikes again:

An insecure phone, a press secretary posting his password, and private e-mail—really?

https://arstechnica.com/t(...)ecurity-woes-abound/
The clowns are running the show :(
Klopkoekdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:46
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 21:24 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Als universiteiten politiek gekuist gaan worden (mss zou die VVD'er zich af moeten vragen wat het doel van zo'n onderzoek zou zijn... wat voor beleid wil hij dan erop loslaten?!) en de overheid als beleid wetenschappers in hun dienst verbiedt om over zaken die hen onwelgevallig zijn te communiceren ben ik best bereid daartegen te demonstreren hoor. Zou ook tevens de eerste keer zijn dat ik dat zou doen. Wel droevenis dat dit niet breder bekend is; zal er wel wat mee te maken hebben dat het niet in beleid wordt omgezet (voor zover ik weet), maar bij gepraat blijft.
De Amerikaanse journalistiek is sterker en veelzijdiger dan de Nederlandse. Mits de lezer en kijker het wil weten. De Nederlandse journalistiek is werkelijk waar in zeer slechte staat en bovendien nog geconcentreerder dan in Amerika.

In Nederland wordt veel geregeld via de raad van bestuur enzo.

http://blog.casperalbers.(...)-raden-van-toezicht/

Denk ook aan de historische rol van de BVD, justitie en AIVD. De lijntjes zijn kort.
Nintexdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:54
L0gg0l twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 21:39:57 ForexLive: 20% import tax on Mexico goods would raise $63.4 billion (based on 2015 trade data). That's enough for 4 walls reageer retweet
Art of the deal 8-)
brokjespoesdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 21:56
Alleen... euh... invoerrechten worden in de regel toch betaald door mensen die een produkt kopen? :?
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:00
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1s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 21:46 schreef Klopkoek het volgende:

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De Amerikaanse journalistiek is sterker en veelzijdiger dan de Nederlandse. Mits de lezer en kijker het wil weten. De Nederlandse journalistiek is werkelijk waar in zeer slechte staat en bovendien nog geconcentreerder dan in Amerika.

In Nederland wordt veel geregeld via de raad van bestuur enzo.

http://blog.casperalbers.(...)-raden-van-toezicht/

Denk ook aan de historische rol van de BVD, justitie en AIVD. De lijntjes zijn kort.
Ja, spijtig. Er is ook decennialang beknibbeld op de publieke omroepen en de opkomst van het internet heeft ook niet geholpen in die zin.

Zou flink geld bij mogen wat mij betreft.

Korte lijntjes blijf je wel houden, daar is het land en het taalgebied gewoon te klein voor.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:01
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 21:56 schreef brokjespoes het volgende:
Alleen... euh... invoerrechten worden in de regel toch betaald door mensen die een produkt kopen? :?
Correct, het zou dus een belastingverhoging voor Amerikaanse consumenten zijn. Niet aan Nintex vertellen, hoor, die denkt nog steeds dat dit fantastisch is.

Buiten dat gaat het Amerikaanse bedrijven omzet en winst kosten wat betekent dat ze nog minder betalen dan ze nu al doen, maar goed.
Nintexdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:07
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:01 schreef Tijger_nootje het volgende:

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Correct, het zou dus een belastingverhoging voor Amerikaanse consumenten zijn. Niet aan Nintex vertellen, hoor, die denkt nog steeds dat dit fantastisch is.

Buiten dat gaat het Amerikaanse bedrijven omzet en winst kosten wat betekent dat ze nog minder betalen dan ze nu al doen, maar goed.
Mexicaanse producten zijn populair, omdat ze goedkoop zijn. Als de Mexicanen niks meer in de VS verkopen, omdat het 20% duurder is hebben ze een groot probleem. De Amerikaanse economie kan veel hebben. De Mexicaanse veel minder.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:10
Wat begon als een of andere onzinnige hersenscheet van die man (laten we wel zijn, het aantal Mexicanen neemt jaar na jaar af daar), mondt nu dus uit in een internationaal conflict in zijn 1e week als president; om een muur voor elkaar te krijgen die Mexico niet wil, maar volgens el presidente wel moet betalen... De tering.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:13
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Mexicaanse producten zijn populair, omdat ze goedkoop zijn. Als de Mexicanen niks meer in de VS verkopen, omdat het 20% duurder is hebben ze een groot probleem. De Amerikaanse economie kan veel hebben. De Mexicaanse veel minder.
Mhmm, alleen wat je schijnt te missen is het feit dat er geen muur is maar een grens van 1600 kilometer die poreus is en dat er dan ineens 110 miljoen mexicanen wonen NAAST de VS en dat als de Mexicaanse economie instort er ineens heel veel pissed off mexicanen hun familie in de VS zullen gaan opzoeken.

Buiten nog de kapitaalsvernietiging van VS bedrijven in Mexico.
brokjespoesdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:14
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:07 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Als de Mexicanen niks meer in de VS verkopen...
...is 20% belasting op niks niet genoeg om een muur van te bouwen, laat staan vier muren.
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:18
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...is 20% belasting op niks niet genoeg om een muur van te bouwen, laat staan vier muren.
Dat gaat de Amerikaanse economie leuk vinden...
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:26
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Dat gaat de Amerikaanse economie leuk vinden...
Met name de zuiderlijke staten als Texas en Arizona. Als Texas op de democraten gaat stemmen (29% van hun imports komt van Mexico, meer dan een miljoen banen hangen ermee samen) kon dat best wel een probleem zijn voor de republikeinen. Zowel Texas & Arizona hebben ook een senaatszetel in de race in 2018.
Nintexdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:28
Alle landen waar de VS een trade deficit mee heeft gaan 20% betalen volgens bronnen rond Speaker Ryan die nu een voorstel voor Congress aan het voorbereiden is.
Zithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:39
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Holy fucking shit, dat is NIET goed.
Het klopt dan ook niet (#FakeNews?):

http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)ations-idUSKBN15A2AY
Tijger_nootjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:39
quote:
0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:28 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Alle landen waar de VS een trade deficit mee heeft gaan 20% betalen volgens bronnen rond Speaker Ryan die nu een voorstel voor Congress aan het voorbereiden is.
Leuk plan. Werkt alleen niet onder de WTO regels. Als je namelijk een land 20% oplegt dan geld het voor alle landen waar je mee handelt en dan kun je er 100% op rekenen dat er ook invoertarieven aan Amerika opgelegd worden.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:43
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:39 schreef Zith het volgende:

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Het klopt dan ook niet (#FakeNews?):

http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)ations-idUSKBN15A2AY
Wat klopt er niet aan het artikel?
Nintexdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:43
Het verzet!

Fasdrak twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 11:39:38 I could keep this on loop all day https://t.co/oaRvPSNpLd reageer retweet
Zelvadonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:48
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:39 schreef Tijger_nootje het volgende:

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Leuk plan. Werkt alleen niet onder de WTO regels. Als je namelijk een land 20% oplegt dan geld het voor alle landen waar je mee handelt en dan kun je er 100% op rekenen dat er ook invoertarieven aan Amerika opgelegd worden.
Dan stappen ze toch gewoon uit de WTO. Opgelost.
Puddingtondonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 22:51
quote:
0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:28 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Alle landen waar de VS een trade deficit mee heeft gaan 20% betalen volgens bronnen rond Speaker Ryan die nu een voorstel voor Congress aan het voorbereiden is.
Als je je land in een economische crisis wilt storten is dat echt een goed idee ja :')
Knipoogjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:00
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Niet op www.reddit.com/r/the_donald in ieder geval. Persoonlijk krijg ik hoofdpijn als ik daar te lang aan het lezen ben.
politicalforum.com ... ook iets om vrolijk van te worden :')
#ANONIEMdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:03
quote:
0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:43 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Het verzet!

Fasdrak twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 11:39:38 I could keep this on loop all day https://t.co/oaRvPSNpLd reageer retweet
Hersendode mensen echt waar... Hoe kunnen ze zich toch zo verlagen? Kennen ze geen schaamte?
tochnietweerdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:10
quote:
0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:43 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Het verzet!

Fasdrak twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 11:39:38 I could keep this on loop all day https://t.co/oaRvPSNpLd reageer retweet
_O-
Knipoogjedonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:11
quote:
0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:43 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Het verzet!

Fasdrak twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 11:39:38 I could keep this on loop all day https://t.co/oaRvPSNpLd reageer retweet
Whehe, d'r zat pepperspray op die ballon nog, dat was eerder in het rond gespoten. Ze kreeg die ballon precies in d'r oog.
Zithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:16
quote:
0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:43 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Wat klopt er niet aan het artikel?
Je zou het kunnen lezen maar er gaan maar 4 weg, zie kaart:

C3HKpV_XgAAro61.jpg

quote:
At least one media report suggested that the departures amounted to a mass resignation, but several U.S. officials said this was not the case.

"It's not a mass protest or a show of indignation," said one senior U.S. official.
#ANONIEMdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:17
quote:
0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:28 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Alle landen waar de VS een trade deficit mee heeft gaan 20% betalen volgens bronnen rond Speaker Ryan die nu een voorstel voor Congress aan het voorbereiden is.
Zo achterlijk zullen ze toch niet zijn?
Zithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:21
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:43 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:

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Wat klopt er niet aan het artikel?
Je zou het kunnen lezen maar er gaan maar 4 weg, zie kaart:

C3HKpV_XgAAro61.jpg

quote:
At least one media report suggested that the departures amounted to a mass resignation, but several U.S. officials said this was not the case.

"It's not a mass protest or a show of indignation," said one senior U.S. official.
Het is dus niet het

" The State Department’s entire senior administrative team "

En ook niet:

" resigned unexpectedly "

Want het is traditie dat ze bij een nieuwe president hun ontslag aanbieden, zodat de presdent nieuwe mensen kan aanstellen of de oude kan terugbrengen.
quote:
Political appointees chosen by the president and confirmed by the Senate were obliged, as usual, after Trump's Nov. 8 election victory, to submit letters of resignation to give the new president the opportunity to name his own people to the jobs.
J.B.donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:24
quote:
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Mexicaanse producten zijn populair, omdat ze goedkoop zijn. Als de Mexicanen niks meer in de VS verkopen, omdat het 20% duurder is hebben ze een groot probleem. De Amerikaanse economie kan veel hebben. De Mexicaanse veel minder.
Al eens van het fenomeen 'WTO' gehoord?
Nintexdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:31
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Al eens van het fenomeen 'WTO' gehoord?
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Speaking on Meet the Press, Mr Trump said he would consider imposing a tax of 15-35 per cent on US companies that had moved manufacturing to Mexico. Asked if such a policy would not contravene WTO rules, he replied: “It doesn’t matter. Then we’re going to renegotiate or we’re going to pull out. These trade deals are a disaster, the World Trade Organisation is a disaster.”
Monolithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:32
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Al eens van het fenomeen 'WTO' gehoord?
Veel belangrijker nog, het fenomeen NAFTA. Denken dat je eenzijdig kan opereren in de internationale handel is wat naïef. Nog afgezien van het feit dat de werkgelegenheid in de maakindustrie al tijden afneemt, afgezien van outsourcing. Denken dat je de werkgelegenheid van de jaren '80 terug gaat krijgen is vrij onnozel.
J.B.donderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:32
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 22:28 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Alle landen waar de VS een trade deficit mee heeft gaan 20% betalen volgens bronnen rond Speaker Ryan die nu een voorstel voor Congress aan het voorbereiden is.
Dan zijn Canada, China, Japan en Duitsland (en waarschijnlijk daarmee de hele EU) ook de Sjaak. Of zelfs, gezien het enorme handelstekort van de VS, zo'n beetje de hele economische wereld :')
Monolithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:34
Overigens overwegen de Republikeinen de mogelijkheid om SC nominaties te filibusteren in de senaat weg te nemen:
http://www.politico.com/s(...)tion-234221?cmpid=sf
Nintexdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:35
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Overigens overwegen de Republikeinen de mogelijkheid om SC nominaties te filibusteren in de senaat weg te nemen:
http://www.politico.com/s(...)tion-234221?cmpid=sf
Dat is een goed idee. Dat dat ze dat zelf blokkeerden bij Obama's pick was ook vrij laag.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:35
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Je zou het kunnen lezen maar er gaan maar 4 weg, zie kaart:

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Het is dus niet het

" The State Department’s entire senior administrative team "

En ook niet:

" resigned unexpectedly "

Want het is traditie dat ze bij een nieuwe president hun ontslag aanbieden, zodat de presdent nieuwe mensen kan aanstellen of de oude kan terugbrengen.

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De headline was overdreven, maar wat klopt er niet aan het artikel?
Monolithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:36
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Dat is een goed idee. Dat dat ze dat zelf blokkeerden bij Obama's pick was ook vrij laag.
Dat had vrij weinig met een filibuster te maken aangezien ze gewoon een meerderheid hadden.
Nintexdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:39
Trump schuift na zijn eerdere interview met ABC aan bij Sean Hannity

FoxNews twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 23:12:03 President @realDonaldTrump: ObamaCare is a "horror show."TONIGHT, 10p ET: Join @SeanHannity for a cable exclusive… https://t.co/zAekZM3wee reageer retweet
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:40
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Dat had vrij weinig met een filibuster te maken aangezien ze gewoon een meerderheid hadden.
Ze hadden btw niet genoeg stemmen om het te blokkeren. Genoeg republikeinen hadden voor gestemd. Echter, ze hebben het nooit op een stemming laten aankomen om die reden.
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:42
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 23:39 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Trump schuift na zijn eerdere interview met ABC aan bij Sean Hannity

FoxNews twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 23:12:03 President @realDonaldTrump: ObamaCare is a "horror show."TONIGHT, 10p ET: Join @SeanHannity for a cable exclusive… https://t.co/zAekZM3wee reageer retweet
Waar haalt die man de energie vandaan op zijn leeftijd?! Word zelf al moe van het thuis volgen van alle updates.
Nintexdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:43
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Waar haalt die man de energie vandaan op zijn leeftijd?! Word zelf al moe van het thuis volgen van alle updates.
Tja, ik weet nog dat mensen dachten dat Trump nooit de conditie zou hebben om president te zijn. Dat het hem zou opbreken etc. . Hij ziet er relaxed, rustig en in control uit.

nytimes twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 23:34:05 "It’s like being actually led into the Promised Land by Moses," Representative Tom Cole said of President Trump https://t.co/sHB6FfPZzk reageer retweet
ExtraWaskrachtdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:45
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Tja, ik weet nog dat mensen dachten dat Trump nooit de conditie zou hebben om president te zijn. Dat het hem zou opbreken etc. . Hij ziet er relaxed, rustig en in control uit.

nytimes twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 23:34:05 "It’s like being actually led into the Promised Land by Moses," Representative Tom Cole said of President Trump https://t.co/sHB6FfPZzk reageer retweet
De conditie heb ik zelf niet zo aan getwijfeld. Zijn mentale conditie wel en dat doe ik nogsteeds.
Monolithdonderdag 26 januari 2017 @ 23:46
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 23:43 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Tja, ik weet nog dat mensen dachten dat Trump nooit de conditie zou hebben om president te zijn. Dat het hem zou opbreken etc. . Hij ziet er relaxed, rustig en in control uit.

nytimes twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 23:34:05 "It’s like being actually led into the Promised Land by Moses," Representative Tom Cole said of President Trump https://t.co/sHB6FfPZzk reageer retweet
Ik zie dat je het verzinnen van feiten hebt overgenomen van je grote idool.
Nintexvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 00:00
4/5/6D? Chess

PeterAlexander twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 22:33:59 BREAKING: Spicer tells me 20% tax on Mexican imports is NOT a policy proposal, but example of options how to pay for wall. reageer retweet
Zithvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 00:06
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De headline was overdreven, maar wat klopt er niet aan het artikel?
" resigned unexpectedly "
ExtraWaskrachtvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 00:31
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" resigned unexpectedly "
Hm, ja, dat is wel slecht geformuleerd. Denk dat de auteur bedoelt dat het ontslag onverwacht is geaccepteerd. Verderop staat ook dit:

Whether Kennedy left on his own volition or was pushed out by the incoming Trump team is a matter of dispute inside the department.

Dus het kan er ook op duiden dat sommigen menen dat hij zijn ontslag had aangeboden en onverwachts is geaccepteerd of dat hij onverwacht nadat hij zijn ontslag had aangeboden zelf ontslag heeft genomen.

Vrij warrig artikel al met al.
OMGvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 00:47
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 27 januari 2017 00:00 schreef Nintex het volgende:
4/5/6D? Chess

PeterAlexander twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 22:33:59 BREAKING: Spicer tells me 20% tax on Mexican imports is NOT a policy proposal, but example of options how to pay for wall. reageer retweet
Eerder 9000D achterlijkheid, aangezien de consumenten die belasting uiteindelijk betalen. Mexico betaald niks.
Puddingtonvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 00:50
Met een korreltje zout nemen uiteraard, maar blijkbaar is er een klokkenluider die flink wat escapades uit het Witte huis online heeft gezet. Meest opvallende: Priebus die erover dacht ontslag te nemen maar uiteindelijk door Paul Ryan werd overgehaald om te blijven, omdat hij de enige is die de West Wing bij elkaar houdt:

MysteryCr8tve twitterde op donderdag 26-01-2017 om 03:53:56 Well the @WhiteHouseLeak account got shut down... But not before I screen grabbed every post... https://t.co/XLyUpverKX reageer retweet
DrDentzvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 01:02
Heb je als president ook een soort proefperiode van een maand of 2? Dat heb je zelfs bij de meest lullige functies!
ExtraWaskrachtvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 01:11
DOJ puzzled by how to handle probe of fictitious widespread voter fraud _O-
KoosVogelsvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 01:37
Volgens Steve Bannon moeten media hun bek houden.

Smerige klote-nazi. Het wordt misschien tijd om onze relatie met de VS te heroverwegen.
Puddingtonvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 01:44
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Volgens Steve Bannon moeten media hun bek houden.

Smerige klote-nazi. Het wordt misschien tijd om onze relatie met de VS te heroverwegen.
Ho ho ho! Behalve Fox en Breitbart. ;)
KoosVogelsvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 01:50
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Ho ho ho! Behalve Fox en Breitbart. ;)
Nee sorry, die man gaat te ver. De VS is bezig een pad te bewandelen dat niemand zou moeten volgen.

En oké, ik kom net uit de kroeg. Maar dit is ziek en zorgwekkend.
OMGvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 01:54
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Nee sorry, die man gaat te ver. De VS is bezig een pad te bewandelen dat niemand zou moeten volgen.

En oké, ik kom net uit de kroeg. Maar dit is ziek en zorgwekkend.
Ik ga zo pas aan het bier, maar de helden die Richard Spencer te grazen hebben genomen mogen van mij ook best op Bannon oefenen.
bluemoon23vrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 01:56
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0s.gif Op donderdag 26 januari 2017 23:43 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Tja, ik weet nog dat mensen dachten dat Trump nooit de conditie zou hebben om president te zijn. Dat het hem zou opbreken etc. . Hij ziet er relaxed, rustig en in control uit.
Trump schijnt genoeg te hebben aan een paar uur slaap per dag.
Drinkt geen alcohol (ook nooit gedaan volgens hem) of koffie en rookt niet.
Eyjafjallajoekullvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 02:16
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Zo achterlijk zullen ze toch niet zijn?
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Peace99vrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 02:33


[ Bericht 54% gewijzigd door Euribob op 27-01-2017 10:38:10 (Nee, geen fake-nieuws) ]
Kijkertjevrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 03:43
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2) EPA (Environmental Protection Agency)

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Bron

Bizarre activiteiten van EPA _O- :X

Wat zou Greenpeace maar meer nog Trey Gowdy, hiervan vinden? O-)
Fake news alert! :{w
Peace99vrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 04:20


[ Bericht 25% gewijzigd door Euribob op 27-01-2017 10:36:12 (Nee, geen BNW) ]
Beathovenvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 04:41
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Eerder 9000D achterlijkheid, aangezien de consumenten die belasting uiteindelijk betalen. Mexico betaald niks.
Maar je hebt logica nodig om dat uit te leggen. Zn achterban doet niet aan logica. Ja misschien ver achteraf.

Toen hij Obamacare de nek omdraaide kwam men er ook pas achter dat het de ACA was. "Ja maar het heeft geen gevolgen voor de ACA" schreef een van zn supporters.. dikke lul :')

Net als met brexit en de post-referendum zoekopdrachten naar wat de EU precies is.

Een hele generatie aan f***** wankers steekt de kop boven de grond uit. Te dom om te poepen.
tochnietweervrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 06:35
realDonaldTrump twitterde op vrijdag 27-01-2017 om 00:53:37 Miami-Dade Mayor drops sanctuary policy. Right decision. Strong! https://t.co/MtPvaDC4jM reageer retweet
Fearing a loss of millions of dollars for defying immigration authorities, Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez on Thursday ordered county jails to comply with federal immigration detention requests — effectively gutting the county’s position as a “sanctuary” for immigrants in the country illegally.

http://www.miamiherald.co(...)9.html#storylink=cpy

Trump is effectief. ^O^

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Ringovrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 06:59
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Een hele generatie aan f***** wankers steekt de kop boven de grond uit. Te dom om te poepen.
Ooooohhhhh... dat mag je niet zeggen...
Refragmentalvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 07:42
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Ik ga zo pas aan het bier, maar de helden die Richard Spencer te grazen hebben genomen mogen van mij ook best op Bannon oefenen.
Wat onverwacht dat hier fysiek geweld wordt goed gepraat en toegejuicht door de linkse kliek.
#ANONIEMvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 07:43
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Veel belangrijker nog, het fenomeen NAFTA. Denken dat je eenzijdig kan opereren in de internationale handel is wat naïef. Nog afgezien van het feit dat de werkgelegenheid in de maakindustrie al tijden afneemt, afgezien van outsourcing. Denken dat je de werkgelegenheid van de jaren '80 terug gaat krijgen is vrij onnozel.
Gouden tijden voor bedrijven die claims in willen dienen op basis van een ISDS clausule.
franklopvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 07:58
Bijna een week ver en we leven allemaal nog :o
Gabrunal_2013vrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:08
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Gouden tijden voor bedrijven die claims in willen dienen op basis van een ISDS clausule.
Die claims wordengewoon niet betaald, of verhaald op mexico. De Mexicanen gaan betalen voor alle kosten. linksom ,of rechtsom. Vergeet niet dat mexico voor de vs vergelijkbaar is met Oekraine voor Rusland. De Mexicanen hebben heel lang geparaciteerd op de vs, nu is de maat vol en is het tijd dat land te destabiliseren en onder druk te zetten zodat het straks weer netjes gaat doen wat de vs willen.
Yiha3vrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:10
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10s.gif Op vrijdag 27 januari 2017 07:58 schreef franklop het volgende:
Bijna een week ver en we leven allemaal nog :o
en hij ook nog :o
Perrinvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:14
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Die claims wordengewoon niet betaald, of verhaald op mexico. De Mexicanen gaan betalen voor alle kosten. linksom ,of rechtsom. Vergeet niet dat mexico voor de vs vergelijkbaar is met Oekraine voor Rusland. De Mexicanen hebben heel lang geparaciteerd op de vs, nu is de maat vol en is het tijd dat land te destabiliseren en onder druk te zetten zodat het straks weer netjes gaat doen wat de vs willen.
De VS parasiteert juist op de rest van de wereld, inclusief Mexico.. Dat is juist de hele truuk.

Zij printen dollars, de rest doet het werk.
Mystikvmvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:17
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Die claims wordengewoon niet betaald, of verhaald op mexico. De Mexicanen gaan betalen voor alle kosten. linksom ,of rechtsom. Vergeet niet dat mexico voor de vs vergelijkbaar is met Oekraine voor Rusland. De Mexicanen hebben heel lang geparaciteerd op de vs, nu is de maat vol en is het tijd dat land te destabiliseren en onder druk te zetten zodat het straks weer netjes gaat doen wat de vs willen.
Eerst janken dat we zo onder het juk van de VS leven en dat Trump eindelijk een einde gaat maken aan de afhankelijkheid van de wereld van de VS. Dan blijkt Trump een ordinaire bully en dan is het ineens juichen dat hij andere landen met economisch geweld wil laten buigen en zijn wil oplegt. Dan is het ineens geen Amerikaans imperialisme.

Ik volg de logica niet.
#ANONIEMvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:17
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Die claims wordengewoon niet betaald, of verhaald op mexico. De Mexicanen gaan betalen voor alle kosten. linksom ,of rechtsom. Vergeet niet dat mexico voor de vs vergelijkbaar is met Oekraine voor Rusland. De Mexicanen hebben heel lang geparaciteerd op de vs, nu is de maat vol en is het tijd dat land te destabiliseren en onder druk te zetten zodat het straks weer netjes gaat doen wat de vs willen.
Jij gaat er vanuit dat Trump een complete handelsoorlog gaat starten?
crystal_methvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:25
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Donald Trump ordered the National Park Service director to produce additional photographs of his inauguration crowds, believing the images “might prove that the media had lied” about the size of the audience, according to the Washington Post.

In a Saturday phone call, the president told Michael Reynolds, acting NPS director, that he wanted to see more photos because he thought they could show that the attendance at his Friday swearing-in ceremonies at the National Mall was above average, three sources with knowledge of the conversation told the Post.
https://www.theguardian.c(...)ational-parks-photos
KoosVogelsvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:25
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Wat onverwacht dat hier fysiek geweld wordt goed gepraat en toegejuicht door de linkse kliek.
Je held kan er anders ook wat van:

All the times Trump has called for violence at his rallies

Maar dat is ongetwijfeld anders.
Ringovrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:31
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 27 januari 2017 08:08 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:
De Mexicanen hebben heel lang geparaciteerd op de vs, nu is de maat vol en is het tijd dat land te destabiliseren en onder druk te zetten zodat het straks weer netjes gaat doen wat de vs willen.
Je vraagt je werkelijk af hoe sommige users de pus uit hun vingertoppen krijgen geperst.

Een volledig land toewensen dat het wordt gedestabiliseerd, onder druk gezet en gedomineerd door vreemde machthebbers. Omdat het waagde een eigen koers te varen en een zelfstandige economie te ontwikkelen.

En vervolgens in een ander topic durven klagen, raadikzo, over de "dictatoriale" EU en ons gebrek aan "soevereiniteit". :').
Nielschvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:32
In het onderzoek naar stemfraude door personen die in meerdere staten staan geregistreerd als stemmer heeft the WP alvast een naam op om de lijst te zetten: Jared Kushner :D
mcmlxivvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:32
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 27 januari 2017 08:08 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Die claims wordengewoon niet betaald, of verhaald op mexico. De Mexicanen gaan betalen voor alle kosten. linksom ,of rechtsom. Vergeet niet dat mexico voor de vs vergelijkbaar is met Oekraine voor Rusland. De Mexicanen hebben heel lang geparaciteerd op de vs, nu is de maat vol en is het tijd dat land te destabiliseren en onder druk te zetten zodat het straks weer netjes gaat doen wat de vs willen.
De chinezen willen vast wel aardig wat geld betalen voor een marinebasis aan de Mexicaanse westkust. Venezuela wil vast wel wat olie verkopen aan de Mexicanen. Mexico wil vast wel stoppen met het samenwerken als het gaat over drugstransport en/of illegale immigratie vanuit zuid en midden Amerika.

Leuk zo'n handelsoorlog, je moet alleen niet denken dat je tegenstander niet zelf ook iets akeligs gaat doen.
Ludachristvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:34
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Misschien dat ik, ooit, gedacht zou hebben dat dit wel erg ver ging voor Trump. Maar eigenlijk verbazen dit soort dingen me niets meer.
Zithvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:35
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Eerder 9000D achterlijkheid, aangezien de consumenten die belasting uiteindelijk betalen. Mexico betaald niks.
Klopt, het is goed dat Trump dit ook eens gaat inzien en de belastingen voor bedrijven gaat verlagen.
KoosVogelsvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:35
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Je vraagt je werkelijk af hoe sommige users de pus uit hun vingertoppen krijgen geperst.

Een volledig land toewensen dat het wordt gedestabiliseerd, onder druk gezet en gedomineerd door vreemde machthebbers. Omdat ze het waagden om hun eigen koers te varen en een zelfstandige economie te ontwikkelen.

En vervolgens in een ander topic durven klagen, raadikzo, over de "dictatoriale" EU en ons gebrek aan "soevereiniteit". :').
Dat raadt u helemaal goed. De betreffende user zit namelijk nogal op de Russische lijn, en haat derhalve de EU. Sprak zich tot voor kort ook fel uit tegen de VS.

Op zich valt zijn houding wel te rijmen met zijn liefde voor Rusland. Poetin gedraagt zich immers niet anders.

Wel apart dat de VS in de ogen van sommigen eerst altijd de boeman is. En nu gedraagt het land zich daadwerkelijk als een boeman, en dan is dat helemaal oké.
Ludachristvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:37
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Klopt, het is goed dat Trump dit ook eens gaat inzien en de belastingen voor bedrijven gaat verlagen.
En dan Mexico gewoon alles laten betalen wat hij van plan is ofzo?
Perrinvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:37
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Geobsedeerd door het aantal kinderen op zijn feestje :X
crystal_methvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:43
Het onthouden van federal funds voor "sanctuary cities", zoals voorgesteld in z'n "Executive Order: Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States", zou onwettelijk kunnen zijn. Rechters hebben eerder geoordeeld dat de fondsen verband moeten houden met de praktijken die men wil bestraffen. Trump zou dus federaal geld voor law enforcement kunnen inhouden, maar hij wil net het omgekeerde doen, enkel nog betalen voor law enforcement...
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In furtherance of this policy, the Attorney General and the Secretary, in their discretion and to the extent consistent with law, shall ensure that jurisdictions that willfully refuse to comply with 8 U.S.C. 1373 (sanctuary jurisdictions) are not eligible to receive Federal grants, except as deemed necessary for law enforcement purposes by the Attorney General or the Secretary. The Secretary has the authority to designate, in his discretion and to the extent consistent with law, a jurisdiction as a sanctuary jurisdiction. The Attorney General shall take appropriate enforcement action against any entity that violates 8 U.S.C. 1373, or which has in effect a statute, policy, or practice that prevents or hinders the enforcement of Federal law.
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Sanctuary cities see legal holes in Trump's immigration orders

President Donald Trump's executive order directing federal agencies to take away funding from self-proclaimed sanctuary cities had one big exemption for one of his favorite constituencies: the police, who would be protected from cuts.

But Trump's opponents say that very exemption makes it much more likely that a judge could strike down that section of the order as unconstitutional.

It is just one example of the legal arguments that cities, immigration groups and other opponents are readying as they prepare to fight an executive order signed by Trump on Wednesday that would cut federal aid to "sanctuary" jurisdictions that limit cooperation with federal immigration authorities.

Lawyers for the potential challengers pointed to court rulings that said the federal government can only withhold funds to local jurisdictions if the money is directly tied to the behavior it objects to.

The Trump administration cannot cut funds for sanctuary cities' healthcare and education while preserving money for police, since those jobs relate more closely to immigration enforcement, said Richard Doyle, city attorney in San Jose, California. He said it was not clear whether existing federal funding or only future grants would be targeted.
Ringovrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:47
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Wel apart dat de VS in de ogen van sommigen eerst altijd de boeman is. En nu gedraagt het land zich daadwerkelijk als een boeman, en dan is dat helemaal oké.
Boeman voor een Vreemd Land. Of dat Vreemde Land nu bevolkt wordt door Moslimsmetbaarden of Mexicanenmetsnorren, het is en blijft Vreemd Volk. Je kunt dat Vreemde Volk beter zelf terroriseren, voordat het jou Groot Kwaad aandoet.
Ringovrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 08:50
De Dreiging is overal mensen, en Trump komt ons Redden.
crystal_methvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 09:05
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Dat raadt u helemaal goed. De betreffende user zit namelijk nogal op de Russische lijn, en haat derhalve de EU. Sprak zich tot voor kort ook fel uit tegen de VS.

Op zich valt zijn houding wel te rijmen met zijn liefde voor Rusland. Poetin gedraagt zich immers niet anders.
Beetje simpel om het te herleiden tot een pro- of anti-Putin kwestie. Nintex bvb was allesbehalve pro-Russisch in het Oekraine topic.
KoosVogelsvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 09:21
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Beetje simpel om het te herleiden tot een pro- of anti-Putin kwestie. Nintex bvb was allesbehalve pro-Russisch in het Oekraine topic.
Putin is ook een bullebak. Wat dat betreft bespeur ik wel een grote, gemene deler.

Overigens heeft Nintex zijn toon richting de Russen flink gematigd. Geheel in lijn met zijn grote held.
Refragmentalvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 09:27
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Je held kan er anders ook wat van:

All the times Trump has called for violence at his rallies

Maar dat is ongetwijfeld anders.
Mijn held? :?

En daar is de standaard "maar hullie doen het ook!!" zeikargument weer.
KoosVogelsvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 09:30
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Mijn held? :?

En daar is de standaard "maar hullie doen het ook!!" zeikargument weer.
Je verontwaardiging is nogal selectief, zo blijkt maar weer eens. Vind het eerlijk gezegd kwalijker dat Trump geweld toejuicht dan dat een of andere anonieme FOK!ker dat doet.

Maar dat ben ik.
Vader_Aardbeivrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 09:50
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Een volledig land toewensen dat het wordt gedestabiliseerd, onder druk gezet en gedomineerd door vreemde machthebbers. Omdat het waagde een eigen koers te varen en een zelfstandige economie te ontwikkelen.
Dat soort dingen zijn normaal gesproken alleen voorbehouden aan George Soros en de Europese Unie.
Yiha3vrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 09:56
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Dat soort dingen zijn normaal gesproken alleen voorbehouden aan George Soros en de Europese Unie.
dat dit maar gauw vervalt
DustPuppyvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:08
Laat die handelsoorlog met Mexico maar komen dan.
Refragmentalvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:12
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Je verontwaardiging is nogal selectief, zo blijkt maar weer eens. Vind het eerlijk gezegd kwalijker dat Trump geweld toejuicht dan dat een of andere anonieme FOK!ker dat doet.

Maar dat ben ik.
Oh ik ben zeker niet selectief. Ben het absoluut niet eens met oproepen van geweld vanuit welke hoek dan ook. En bijvoorbeeld Trump zijn uitspraken over martelen schieten bij mij ook in het verkeerde keelgat. Maar 2 wrongs dont make a right.

En ik ben toch een beetje verbaasd over hoe geweldadig, en racistisch, de linkerkant wel niet is gebleken de afgelopen maanden. Zij die juist pretenderen de moral highground te hebben.
#ANONIEMvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:14
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En ik ben toch een beetje verbaasd over hoe geweldadig, en racistisch, de linkerkant wel niet is gebleken de afgelopen maanden. Zij die juist pretenderen de moral highground te hebben.
Sorry to burst your bubble maar beide kanten pretenderen de moral highground te hebben.

En deze reactie van je staat natuurlijk wel een beetje haaks op je "hullie doen het ook" uitspraak :')

[ Bericht 13% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 27-01-2017 10:15:25 ]
DustPuppyvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:14
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En ik ben toch een beetje verbaasd over hoe geweldadig, en racistisch, de linkerkant wel niet is gebleken de afgelopen maanden. Zij die juist pretenderen de moral highground te hebben.
Op welke manier racistisch? Ik zeg niet dat het niet klopt, vraag me gewoon af wat je bedoeld.
Monolithvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:15
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realDonaldTrump twitterde op vrijdag 27-01-2017 om 00:53:37 Miami-Dade Mayor drops sanctuary policy. Right decision. Strong! https://t.co/MtPvaDC4jM reageer retweet
Fearing a loss of millions of dollars for defying immigration authorities, Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez on Thursday ordered county jails to comply with federal immigration detention requests — effectively gutting the county’s position as a “sanctuary” for immigrants in the country illegally.

http://www.miamiherald.co(...)9.html#storylink=cpy

Trump is effectief. ^O^
Mwoah, de vraag is altijd wat de praktische uitwerking is. De reden dat Miami-Dade een soort van 'sanctuary'-wetgeving had was hoofdzakelijk financieel. Men heeft een wet ingevoerd om bepaalde verzoeken van de federale overheid uit te voeren als die niet voor de kosten willen opdraaien. Feitelijk draaien ze die wetgeving nu terug, maar in de praktijk eisen ze die vergoeding nog steeds.

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Miami-Dade mayor: Trump should pay immigration jail costs

The mayor of Miami-Dade county on Thursday ordered county jails to comply with federal detention requests, citing President Donald Trump's executive orders concerning "sanctuary jurisdictions" for illegal immigrants.

But in doing so, Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez tells POLITICO that the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency needs to start cooperating with the county and paying for the detention of illegal immigrants in one of the nation's largest counties of foreign-born residents.

"If ICE asks us to detain someone we arrested --not for immigration issues because we're not immigration officers-- we feel ICE should pay the bill and bear the responsibility for housing their inmate," Gimenez said.

"There is no change in broader policy," he said. "The change here is we just won't require a letter from ICE for each inmate. But we are not dropping our request to reimburse county taxpayers fairly for aiding the federal government."

Due to ICE's refusal to adequately reimburse the county during President Barack Obama's just-ended term, the county commission in 2013 passed a policy to refuse undocumented-immigrant detainer requests from the federal government. The move earned the county the reputation as a "sanctuary" for illegal immigrants, but Miami-Dade officials and others in the state bristled at the designation.

Trump praised Gimenez – a fellow Republican who endorsed Democrat Hillary Clinton in the presidential campaign – on Twitter as he cited a Miami Herald article about the news: “Miami-Dade Mayor drops sanctuary policy. Right decision. Strong!” But Trump said nothing about compensating the county.

Gimenez noted that Trump's action to withhold federal funding from "sanctuary jurisdictions" technically didn't apply to the county because the president's order narrowly focused on agencies that violated a federal law that prohibited the obstruction of information requested by immigration officials.

Gimenez said his effort to accommodate Trump would hopefully incentivize his administration to cover the estimated $50,000 cost for housing about 200 inmates annually.

Still, the move essentially ends the county's standing as a "sanctuary" for undocumented immigrants.

Though the county never officially declared itself as a sanctuary, it has effectively served as one since the county's 2013 decision to stop aiding ICE.

“Miami-Dade County complies with federal law and intends to fully cooperate with the federal government,” Gimenez wrote in a letter addressed to the county's department of corrections and rehabilitation. “I will partner with the Board of County Commissioners to address any issues necessary to achieve this end.”

In all, about seven counties in Florida have refused to detain illegal immigrants due to ICE's actions. Other county sheriffs said they wouldn't detain potential immigrants identified by the agency because ICE's evidence is sometimes wrong and American citizens have been unfairly detained for immigration offenses, leading to lawsuits.

In a speech speech at the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday, Trump vowed that his executive orders would save lives and “save billions and billions of dollars.”

“For too long your office’s agents haven’t been allowed to properly do their jobs,” Trump said. “You know that, right? Do you know that? Absolutely. But that’s all about to change.”

Trump added: "By working together, safe borders and economic cooperation, I truly believe we can enhance the relation between our two nations, to a degree not seen before, certainly, in a very, very long time. I think our relationship with Mexico is going to get better."

The Miami-Dade administrator’s decision comes on the heels of several major city officials — from New York, Los Angeles and Chicago — openly rejecting Trump’s orders. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio went as far as to threaten legal action if the president followed through on his promise to cut off federal dollars from so-called “sanctuary cities.”

"President Trump issued an executive order today and its purported purpose was to enhance public safety, but here in New York City and in cities across this nation this executive order could in fact undermine public safety," de Blasio said at a press conference in New York Wednesday.

The president’s executive order directing federal officials to begin the “immediate construction of a physical wall” on the southern-U.S. border, meanwhile, has drawn sharp criticism from Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, who on Thursday canceled a planned meeting with Trump next week.

“This morning we told the White House we won't attend next Tuesday's meeting with [President Trump],” Peña Nieto tweeted in a series of tweets Thursday morning. “Mexico reiterates its will to work with the US to achieve agreements for both of us.”

Trump on Thursday claimed that the decision to call off the meeting was mutual, saying that the gathering would be pointless if the Mexican leader did not show the U.S. the proper “respect.”

“I’ve said many times that the American people will not pay for the wall. And I’ve made that clear to the government of Mexico,” Trump said Thursday to congressional Republicans at a retreat in Philadelphia. “To that end, the president of Mexico and myself have agreed to cancel our planned meeting scheduled for next week. Unless Mexico is going to treat the United States fairly, with respect, such a meeting would be fruitless and I want to go a different route. We have no choice.”
Klopkoekvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:16
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Oh ik ben zeker niet selectief. Ben het absoluut niet eens met oproepen van geweld vanuit welke hoek dan ook. En bijvoorbeeld Trump zijn uitspraken over martelen schieten bij mij ook in het verkeerde keelgat. Maar 2 wrongs dont make a right.

En ik ben toch een beetje verbaasd over hoe geweldadig, en racistisch, de linkerkant wel niet is gebleken de afgelopen maanden. Zij die juist pretenderen de moral highground te hebben.
De geweldsincidenten door Republikeinen en Trump aanhangers zijn véél talrijker.
grrrrgvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:27
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Mijn held? :?

En daar is de standaard "maar hullie doen het ook!!" zeikargument weer.
Oom Donald is president van de VS. Nogal een verschilletje, kneus.
grrrrgvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:28
Ik vraag me af wanneer oom Donald eens stopt met liegen op een dag.
Perrinvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:34
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Ik vraag me af wanneer oom Donald eens stopt met liegen op een dag.
Hij vertelt gewoon zijn versie van de waarheid. Niet jouw versie, blijkbaar.
grrrrgvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:36
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Hij vertelt gewoon zijn versie van de waarheid. Niet jouw versie, blijkbaar.
Het zijn gewoon leugens, elke keer weer. Elke keer weer geverifieerd dat het leugens zijn. Hier in Nederland treden ministers af als ze het volk verkeerd informeren.
DustPuppyvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:39
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Het zijn gewoon leugens, elke keer weer. Elke keer weer geverifieerd dat het leugens zijn. Hier in Nederland treden ministers af als ze het volk verkeerd informeren.
Nee, nee. Het zijn 'alternative facts'.

Learn the lingo, man!
Refragmentalvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:46
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De geweldsincidenten door Republikeinen en Trump aanhangers zijn véél talrijker.
Bron graag.
Ik had hier laatst een gigantische lijst geplaatst met links geweld van de afgelopen periode. Maar dat werd niet gewaardeerd.

Het antwoord daarop was overigens een link met republiekijns "geweld" wat enkel wat uitspraken bleken te zijn.

Als het geweld zo talrijk blijkt te zijn dat moet het heel makkelijk zijn om het te bewijzen.
Refragmentalvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:47
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Oom Donald is president van de VS. Nogal een verschilletje, kneus.
Wat een volwassen reactie ^O^
Refragmentalvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:49
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Sorry to burst your bubble maar beide kanten pretenderen de moral highground te hebben.

En deze reactie van je staat natuurlijk wel een beetje haaks op je "hullie doen het ook" uitspraak :')
Haaks op? Ik keur beiden af. Dat is het verschil.

Zijn hier mensen die het geweld toejuichen "want hullie doen het ook".
Refragmentalvrijdag 27 januari 2017 @ 10:51
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Op welke manier racistisch? Ik zeg niet dat het niet klopt, vraag me gewoon af wat je bedoeld.
Leuk voorbeeld vind ik zelf dat african americans die op Trump hebben gestemd voor vanalles en nogwat worden uitgemaakt omdat ze zogenaamd niet doen wat links van ze verwacht.