Crisis Oekraïne - Rusland #180 Machtsgeil

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Sifting Ukrainian Fact From Ukrainian Fiction

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Earlier this week, a BBC News investigation of a pivotal moment in the transformation of last year’s peaceful protest movement in Kiev into deadly violence — the killing of dozens of protesters on Feb. 20 — suggested that the security forces might not have used deadly force until after they were first shot at by armed supporters of the pro-Western demonstrators.

Snipers at Maidan - the untold Ukraine story - Newsnight

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Jen Psaki Daily Press Briefing Feb 13, 2015

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Well, we are very concerned about continued fighting along and beyond the line of contact, including in heavily populated civilian areas, and reports of additional resupplies of tanks and missile systems coming across the border from Russia in the past few days, and I have a little more detail of that I just want to go into for a moment here.

The Russian military has deployed a large amount of artillery and multiple rocket launcher systems around Debaltseve where it is shelling Ukrainian positions. We are confident these are Russian military, not separatist systems. The Russian military also has air defense systems deployed near Debaltseve. We are also confident these are Russian military, not separatist systems.

Russian units along the border with Ukraine are preparing a large shipment of supplies to pro-Russian forces fighting in eastern Ukraine. This is clearly not in the spirit of this week’s agreement. All parties must show complete restraint in the run-up to the Sunday ceasefire, including an immediate halt to the Russian and separatist assault on Debaltseve and other Ukrainian towns. Clearly, the same options that have been on the table remain on the table, and obviously we’ll be watching closely to see what happens over the course of the coming days.

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ChristopherJM twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 08:16:02 Satellite image the U.S. says shows Russian army materiel near strategic #Debaltseve http://t.co/QKJXPeAyzO h/t @GeoffPyatt reageer retweet

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ChristopherJM twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 08:19:06 .@GeoffPyatt says U.S. 'confident' Russian military have air defense systems deployed near #Debaltseve, shown here http://t.co/ksY7Kxb0G4 reageer retweet

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GeoffPyatt twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 07:54:26 3/3 Russian units along the border are preparing a large shipment of supplies to "seps" fighting in eastern Ukraine http://t.co/h5jnP5EARF reageer retweet

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GeoffPyatt twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 08:58:51 @ChristopherJM Just to clarify, the image here (and #2) shows Russian artillery. We have identified Russian SAM systems, artillery, rockets reageer retweet

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ChristopherJM twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 10:11:22 .@maxseddon gets it right: Kiev is losing territory in eastern Ukrainians’ hearts & minds. One could argue it's done. http://t.co/92BS5bKuJQ reageer retweet

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ChristopherJM twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 10:45:38 T-12 hrs until ceasefire in #Ukraine. Meanwhile, guns still blazing. Impossible to imagine peace washing over Donbass at strike of midnight. reageer retweet

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tassagency_en twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 11:40:26 Humanitarian convoy of Russia’s Emergencies Ministry ready to leave for Donbasshttp://t.co/g9TUSvJP8o reageer retweet

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Ruptly twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 10:28:55 Huge explosion in Debaltsevo after #DPR launch 'surgical artillery strike' VIDEO: http://t.co/YkT92ssxsK #Ukraine http://t.co/k4ZrpQ0AEZ reageer retweet

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Conflict_Report twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 12:15:29 #BREAKING #MAPTHE ENTIRE FRONT EAST OF #MARIUPOL WAS AND IS HIT BY RUSSIAN ARMY GRAD, ARTILLERY AND MORTAR FIRE. http://t.co/EgeYUefcRx reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 14 februari 2015 11:58 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Op zaterdag 14 februari 2015 12:12 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:

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De grap is juist dat dat het geval niet is. Het is echt ongelooflijk doorzichtige propaganda.

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Rebellen

Het parlement van de rebellen in Oost-Oekraïne heeft zaterdag ingestemd met het akkoord van Minsk. Eerder dreigden de separatisten zich niet aan het bestand te zullen houden. Zaterdag werd bekend dat er een werkgroep is opgezet die moet toezien op de uitvoering van het akkoord.

Dat zei rebellenonderhandelaar Denis Poesjilin van de zelfverklaarde Volksrepubliek Donetsk tegen het Russische persbureau Interfax. Volgens hem zullen de rebellen ,,passende maatregelen'' nemen als Oekraïne zich niet aan de afspraken houdt. Separatistenleider Edoeard Basoerin waarschuwde daar eerder ook voor.

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Op vrijdag 13 februari 2015 23:59 schreef crashbangboom het volgende:

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Intel zit in mijn pc geloof ik, maar dat weet NSA beter dan ik.

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Ukraine’s head of state Petro Poroshenko appointed former Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili as his non-staff advisor, according to a new decree. Saakashvili is wanted for trial at home, as he is accused of corruption and brutality against protesters.

The official document, which was published on Poroshenko’s website Friday, announces an order “to appoint Mikhail Saakashvili as an aide to the Ukrainian president (non-staff position).”

According to Poroshenko, the controversial Georgian politician, who is currently based in the US, will head the Advisory International Council of Reforms. The organization’s main goals will be developing proposals and recommendations for implementing reforms in Ukraine based on best international practices. The council will invite foreign experts to work on changing the Ukrainian legal system as well as to boost international support for Ukraine.

“Mikhail will become a Ukrainian representative abroad and, at the same time, will represent the foreign community in Ukraine. We are confident that he will be able to establish two-way communication between Ukraine and the rest of the world,” Poroshenko said.

This is not the first time the Ukrainian president has turned to foreign nationals for help. In fact, since he took office, Poroshenko has been surrounding himself with a team of foreign assistants. In December, he confirmed granting Ukrainian citizenship to US, Georgian and Lithuanian nationals, who were appointed for Cabinet jobs. One of them included the US-born Natalie Jaresko, who has taken the post of Ukraine’s finance chief.

Saakashvili served as Georgia’s president from 2004 to 2013. His time in office was criticized by the opposition for authoritarian tactics. Since his presidential term ended, Saakashvili has been living in exile in the United States. At home, the 46-year-old faces numerous charges stemming from his time in power.

The former president had his assets frozen by a court in Georgia back in September. The order included his bank accounts and property belonging to both him and his family. On top of that, he faces corruption charges.

Moreover, Georgia’s Chief Prosecutor Office launched proceedings to indict Saakashvili and place him on the international most wanted list in August. The charges relate to abuse of office during his time as president, when hundreds of opposition protesters were brutally beaten in November 2007. The protesters were demanding that Saakashvili step down and for early elections to be held.

Saakashvili’s trump card during his time in office was his strong anti-Russian and anti-Putin rhetoric, which garnered heavy US support.

It reached its peak when Georgia launched the August 2008 offensive against South Ossetia, where Russian peacekeepers were stationed under the CIS peacekeeping agreement. Hundreds of civilians and more than ten Russian peacekeepers were killed in the initial heavy shelling of the South Ossetian city of Tskhinvali on August 8, which prompted then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to order a military operation to “enforce peace” in the region.

Saakashvili claimed the conflict was a “Russian aggression” and Western media started covering the fighting only after Russian forces reportedly crossed the Georgian border, with footage of Georgian missile launchers shelling Tskhinvali presented as a Russian attack by a number of US channels. Saakashvili has since advocated his version of events in speeches and essays.

However, the findings of a 2010 EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report made it clear that Tbilisi was responsible for the start of the Five-Day War, which it provoked by using excessive (“not proportionate”) force in the attack on Tskhinvali.

Former Georgian Prime Minister Bidzina Ivanishvili in 2012 accused Saakashvili of provoking the South Ossetia War by scheming with military chiefs, adding that “this wouldn’t have happened if we had a normal government.”

After the conflict, Russia and several other nations recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states. In response to Moscow’s decision, Tbilisi broke off diplomatic relations with Russia and named both Caucasian Republics “occupied territories.”

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Op zaterdag 14 februari 2015 12:27 schreef Gabrunal_2013 het volgende:

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Dat is natuurlijk onzin. Als je had gewild dat het vechten meteen zou stoppen, had je het staakt het vuren direct in moeten laten gaan. Beter was geweest als in het verdrag was gesteld dat de oekraiense troepen debalseve met de witte vlag zouden verlaten, dan was dit offensief ook niet nodig geweest en was een staakt het vuren kansrijker geweest. Nu zal er ingetwijfeld niets van terecht komen. Vanuit de de rebellen niet, als ze hun doelen nog niet bereikt hebben en vanuit oekraine niet, omdat de aan hun zijde vechtende bataljons zich niets aantrekken van Kiev.. Dit laatste geldt uiteraard ook voor een groot deel van de seperatisten die zich weinig van Moskou aantrekken.

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AFP twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 13:15:33 #BREAKING Poroshenko says to talk with Obama, Merkel, Hollande Saturday reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 14 februari 2015 10:50 schreef sp3c het volgende:
dat wil niet zeggen dat we hier nu moeten gaan zitten ruzien over wie nu de grootste pik heeft in een hypothetisch scenario dat net zo waarschijnlijk is als een bendeoorlog tussen liefhebbers van patat en/of friet

gewoon ff terug naar het schaakspel op de grond

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SputnikInt twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 13:30:33 BREAKING: Bomb explodes near #DPR leader's residence http://t.co/svsUnGmFdH http://t.co/55EUM2a9eZ reageer retweet

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SputnikInt twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 13:38:51 DETAILS: Bomb exploded 100 meters away from journalists who gathered for press conference with #DPR leader http://t.co/svsUnGmFdH reageer retweet

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SputnikInt twitterde op zaterdag 14-02-2015 om 13:43:07 DETAILS: Bundestag lawmakers were at #DPR leader residence 2 hours before blasthttp://t.co/pUsmKYn7K0 reageer retweet

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20 British Saxon armored cars have already been delivered, while 55 are expected to arrive soon.
The UK Ministry of Defense has confirmed that a private company delivered British Saxon armored vehicles to Ukraine. The equipment is out-of-service and is non-lethal.

The delivery, organized through the Disposal Services authority, was carried out under a 2013 agreement.
20 armored cars have already been delivered, while 55 are expected to arrive soon, according to the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC). They will be upgraded and put into military service, NSDC's head Oleksandr Turchynov said.

The vehicles "came without armaments, we will equip them with combat unit to provide effective fire cover for the National Guard or other units, in which these armored vehicles will be supplied," Turchynov said, as quoted by the NSDC.

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Norway should stay away from US and EU sanctions against Russia, which only fuel tensions and anti-Western sentiment around the world, said a noted Norwegian scholar.
Norway is not an EU member and, therefore, is not obliged to heed their decisions on sanctioning Russia, says Åsmund Egge, a professor emeritus in modern Russian history, in an article carried by Aftenposten newspaper.

"Instead of kowtowing to the EU and squandering a millennia-long history of good-neighborly ties with Russia, the Norwegian government should forget the policy of sanctions and seek negotiated solutions to the problems at hand,” Professor Egge noted.
Sanctions lead us nowhere, he continued, pointing to close political and economic ties Norwegians and Russians have enjoyed ever since the times of Vikings.

“Our countries have never been at war against each other, we have always settled our differences through negotiations and this is exactly what the present Norwegian government is going to destroy with its ill-advised policy of sanctions against Russia”, Professor Egge argued.

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Op zaterdag 14 februari 2015 13:47 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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