Hopelijk het laatste Maddy McCann topic, maandag is d-day.

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Wat is er nu concreet bekend over alle verhoren van de Tapas9 en met name Jane Tanner en Kate McCann?
Wat ik tot nu toe hebe gelezen is dat er dingen echt niet kloppen en dat er steeds meer stemmen opgaan die de verhalen in twijfel trekken maar is er dan nu zicht op een hernieuwd onderzoek?

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Madeleine’s paternity is questioned again - Sol

The lab tests do not guarantee that Gerry McCann is Madeleine’s biological father, according to what a senior official from the National Institute of Forensics Medicine told newspaper 24Horas Gerry McCann may not be Madeleine’s father, despite the fact that the couple has always denied this possibility, assuming only that the little girl was conceived through artificial insemination.

At the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared, on the 3rd of May 2007 from the apartment in Praia da Luz, the Polícia Judiciária had serious doubts concerning the little girl’s paternity, but the McCann couple always stated that she was a biological daughter. The doubt about her paternity, according to 24Horas, ended up never being explored or taken as relevant for the investigation into the case of the girl’s disappearance.

A senior official at the National Institute for Forensic Medicine who was contacted by 24Horas confirms that “concerning the twins there is an absolute certainty that they are from Gerry. The same cannot be said of Madeleine McCann, because the alleles that were found do not allow for a precise determination of who the real biological father is”.source: SOL online, 27.08.2008

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On page 2412, is the interview with PAMELA FENN, who relates several details, of which, though not clarifying the facts, are elucidating. PAMELA FENN lives on the first floor of the residential block, above the apartment occupied by the McCANN family. She related that, on 1 May 2007, two days before the disappearance, at about 22h30, she heard a child crying, which by the sound was MADELEINE. The child continued weeping for one hour and 15 minutes, until the parent’s arrival (she heard the door sounds), at about 23h45. This witness places in cause the allegation (by the parents) of the daily routine of visits every 30 minutes to check the children who had been left on their own.

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MADELEINE FILES: Madeleine spent most days in Kids Club

CHILD CARERS working at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz noticed that the McCann children spent the maximum time available in the care of the resort’s kids club according to police files released to the media surrounding the case.

The usual routine of Gerry and Kate McCann was to put the children in the nursery facility at about 9am and then pick them up between midday and 12.30pm to give the children lunch before bringing the children back at 3pm and returning at the end of the day between 5pm and 5.30pm.

Other children in the tapas nine party would not spend as much time away from their parents.

The other parents in the group, the files reveal, would normally leave their children with the baby sitting service only in the morning sessions.

The police files also gives details about Madeleine’s personality as described by her father, Gerry and those that spent time with Madeleine while they were on holiday in the Algarve.

Madeleine was described by Gerry as being an extrovert, very active and having happy relationships with other children.

She would never go with a stranger and he states clearly that she was not taking any medication.

In a statement made by one of the nannies working at the Ocean Club, Madeleine was described as being a calm, beautiful and happy child.

However, she was portrayed as being more shy than the other children at the kids club.

Meanwhile, reports in the British media have claimed that there is now less than 500,000 pounds sterling in the Find Madeleine fund.

The private investigation agency Oakley International has reportedly cost the fund half a million pounds sterling, despite not yielding any concrete results.

This had led to Brian Kennedy, the British double glazing tycoon who has donated large sums of money to the Find Madeleine campaign, voicing his dissatisfaction in the investigators.

A statement was issued on behalf of the McCanns on Tuesday countering the claims in the press concerning the status of the private investigators via the website www.findmadeleine.com.

“We appointed them (Oakley International) several months ago to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. We continue to work with them to this end. The working relationship is managed by Brian Kennedy, who also confirms the relationship with Oakley International continues to be good and that it remains entirely focused on the search for Madeleine.”

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"Note: As an example of how hypocrite some media editors and directors are I'll leave you with my own personal experience. My.Telegraph Blog was censored, all posts and comments except one were sent into a status of permanent limbo since May 2008 - they were not deleted nor published - the administration team at my.telegraph never gave me any reason for the censorship of my blog posts - just imagine that all free blog platforms would have censors telling you what NOT to write about?! Where my posts against my.telegraph rules? No. They were translated articles about the McCann Case. See for yourself - the version containing all the blogs posts and the Censored Version.

Meanwhile we still want to believe that Great Britain has a free and democratic press....."

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RIJSWIJK - Via het nieuwe landelijke telefoonnummer 116000 kunnen vooral buitenlandse ouders vanaf maandagmiddag 12.00 uur de vermissing of ontvoering van hun kind melden. Via dat nummer kunnen ze de hulp inroepen van de politie, het Rode Kruis of het Centrum Internationale Kinderontvoering (Centrum IKO).

Volgens directeur Els Prins van Centrum IKO is het nummer vooral handig voor buitenlandse ouders omdat die het alarmnummer 112 van de politie niet kennen. Medewerkers van Centrum IKO bemannen de lijn tussen 09.00 en 22.00 uur. In de tussentijd is er een Engelstalig voicemailbericht te horen met andere telefoonummers.

Het nummer is een initiatief van de Europese Commissie. Centrum IKO beheert de lijn en medewerkers schakelen door naar de politie als het vermoeden bestaat dat het kind is ontvoerd. Het Rode Kruis komt in beeld als een kind wordt vermist. Als blijkt dat een kind door een van de ouders of familieleden is meegenomen naar het buitenland, dan komt Centrum IKO in actie. Het onderzoekt dan de mogelijkheden om het kind terug te krijgen.

Behalve in Nederland is het nummer vooralsnog alleen te bereiken in Griekenland en Tsjechië. Prins hoopt dat het aantal landen snel wordt uitgebreid. Het Rode Kruis opent zaterdag een Europese database voor het terugvinden van vermisten. De organisatie doet dat op de Internationale Dag van de Vermisten die zaterdag wordt gehouden. In de database worden namen opgenomen en met elkaar vergeleken.

Het Rode Kruis krijgt elk jaar honderden verzoeken van mensen die familieleden kwijt zijn door natuurgeweld of conflicten. Vorig jaar waren dat er ongeveer 850. Tot nu toe benaderde het Rode Kruis medewerkers in landen waar de vermisten zich zouden bevinden. telegraaf.nl

(ik zie net je post Kahaarin. ff lezen )

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2008 12:49 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Het was heerlijk, een beetje regen gehad maar ook mooie dagen dus al met al heel lekker kunnen ontspannen en uitrusten. Dankjewel.
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Onderzoek door anderen dan de PJ en de Britten dan, ik heb nu een beetje meer bijgelezen en lach me ziek om wat een paar web-sleuths allemaal aan discrepanties boven tafel weten te krijgen terwijl het de PJ niet is gelukt, geeft wel te denken over de lange arm van de Britten imho.
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Dat vind ik een beetje een heikel punt, een vader is niet perse degene die zaad heeft gedoneerd, een vader voed de kinderen op en zorgt voor ze, vergeet ook niet dat Maddy luidkeels om haar vader riep volgens de buurvrouw, dat geeft ook te denken.
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Hopelijk komt de waarheid over wat er met Madeleine is gebeurd nog wel boven tafel, als het aan de bloggers en forummers ligt dan is de zaak nog lang niet beklonken ook al heeft men in Portugal de zaak naar het archief verhuisd.
Die andere zaken zouden eigenlijk los moeten staan van die van de McCanns, ook die kinderen verdienen alle aandacht en toeweiding.
Helaas is de zaak McCann zo raar verlopen en heeft die zoveel stof doen opwaaien dat deze nog wel een hele poos in 1 adem met alle zaken die child-neglect of abbandonment bevatten genoemd zal worden.

Rondje Anorak bevestigd dit maar weer, Rose wordt nu Maddy genicknamed......
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Maddie: Outrage at book Daily Star (no online link, appears in paper edition only)

Cop accuses McCanns

^{By Jerry Lawton 28 August 2008}
Madeleine McCann's parents faced fresh heartache last night as a best-seller on the case hit Britain. Kate and Gerry are already planning to sue retired Portuguese cop Goncalo Amaral, 48, over allegations in his book.

They have launched a bid to stop it being published in the UK. But the first copies have arrived here via Portuguese booksellers. Chunks of the 221 pages have been translated into English and posted onto the internet. The book, seen by the Daily Star, includes photos from police files.

One shows Kate and Gerry, both 40, and their holiday pals giving information about Madeleine at the scene just hours after she vanished. The police chief criticises the McCanns, their friends, Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Leicestershire Police.

Last night the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "This account has gross inaccuracies and is grossly defamatory. "The conclusions are entirely false. They suggest Kate and Gerry were involved in the death, accidental or otherwise, of Madeleine and covered it up."

He added: "Mr Amaral and his publishers should not mistake a lack of action yet for any lack of long-term action. "He is presented as a world-class Madeleine expert but what does he know?

"Do you know how many times he interviewed Kate and Gerry when he was on the case - not once!" Madeleine, now five, vanished from the family holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, a year ago last May.

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Madeleine's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007

Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about Madeleine's movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.

Time Location
07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation for Kids Club
09:00 - 09:30 Gerry takes Madeleine to the Kids Club (Jane Tanner reports that Kate was at the tennis courts during this time with Dianne Webster)
09:30 - 12:30 Kids Club activities
12:30 - 13:30 Collected by parents for lunch in the apartment
13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with parents (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
14:40 - 17:00 Return to Kids Club
17:00 - 17:30 Kids Club teatime, at the Tapas restaurant/bar, under the parents supervision. Based on current statements, it is unclear who collected Madeleine. Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging on the beach at 17:15.
17:30 - 19:30 The usual routine suggests that Madeleine was allowed to play in the playground area beside the tennis courts, just outside the Tapas bar, under her parents supervision. Tired out, she would then be bathed and made ready for bed. We don't know if that happened on 03 May. But we do know, from CCTV evidence, that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May and that neither the McCanns, nor their children were there.
18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and seen Madeleine in her pyjamas ready for bed. However, this crucial incident is not mentioned at all by Payne in his first police interview. Neither is it mentioned by anyone else, in the statements we've seen so far.
19:30 - 20:00 Put to bed, with Kate and Gerry waiting until 20:30 before leaving for tapas restaurant and bar
21:05 - 21:15 Observed to be asleep by Gerry McCann
22:00 - 22:30 Reported missing by Kate McCann

Kate McCann's timeline for 03 May 2007, based on statements made by Kate and Gerry McCann to the Portuguese police on 04 May 2007

Note: Neither Kate nor Gerry's statements talk explicitly about their movements on 03 May, they refer instead to the usual routine and is left to us to presume, rightly or wrongly, that 03 May followed the same course as previous days.

Time Location
07:30 - 09:00 Breakfast in the apartment and preparation of children for the Kids Club
09:00 - 09:30 According to Jane Tanner, Kate arrives at the tennis courts at 09:00, with Dianne Webster, and waits for Tanner to finish her lesson at 09:30
09:30 - 10:00 Kate has tennis lesson, with Tanner observing
10:00 - 12:30 ???
12:30 - 13:30 According to the usual routine, the children are collected for lunch back in the apartment - it is not specified who collected them on 03 May.
13:30 - 14:40 Time spent beside swimming pool with the children (Jane Tanner reports seeing the McCanns and children on the playground beside the tennis courts at 14:00. She says the McCanns stayed there until 14:40, when they took their children back to the Kids Club)
14:40 - 15:45 ??? - possibly preparing for/playing tennis with Gerry (see next entry)
15:45 - 17:15 Observed by Jane Tanner to be playing tennis with Gerry at 15:45 - this is not mentioned by either Kate or Gerry in their statements, so it remains unclear when they started and finished.
17:15 - 17:30 Jane Tanner says she saw Kate jogging alone on the beach at 17:15. This was the Kids Club teatime.
17:30 - 19:30 ??? - We know from CCTV evidence that the rest of the 'Tapas Seven', with their children, were at the Paraiso restaurant at 17:59 on 03 May. Neither the McCanns, nor their children were there. In addition, neither Kate nor Gerry offer any clarity on their whereabouts beyond stating that the usual routine was for the children to play for a while in the playground beside the Tapas bar before being bathed and prepared for bed.
18:30 David Payne is alleged to have checked on Kate and found her dressed only in a bath towel. This incident is not mentioned by either Kate or Payne in their first police interviews.
19:30 - 20:30 The children put to bed. Kate and Gerry stay in their apartment to relax until 20:30. Kate took a bath, did her make-up and drank a glass of New Zealand wine with Gerry.
20:30 - 22:00 At the Tapas bar/restaurant (Meal served at 21:00 according to Tanner)
22:00 - 22:30 Undertakes 'check' on Madeleine and reports her missing

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David Payne's statements were taken the day after Madeleine's disappearance, May 4th 2007 at 14h45. As with all the others, David Payne was accompanied by a, "sworn," interpreter, A. Francisco M. The statement was recorded by inspector Patricia D.

The words at the beginning of an interview are invariably the same. They are mandatory type words. They form the legal basis of the document. Recited often, they are like:

"We, Patricia D., police inspector, in the service of the PJ, Portimao Section, note:"

On the subject we are recording it is shown:

That the interviewee made this statement voluntarily. That he has been on holiday in Portugal since April 28th 2007, staying at the Ocean Club, Praia da Luz. That he plans to return to England on May 5th 2007 (Saturday). That he has known Madeleine's parents for around 5 years. That he was on holiday with Madeleine and her parents. That he came with a group. That the group is composed of nine adults and eight children. The adults are: Diane, the interviewee and his wife (children: Scarlett and Lily), Russell and Jane (children: Evie and Ella), Matthew and Rachael (child: Grace), Gerry and Kate (children: Amelie, Sean and Madeleine).

That they came to Portugal via a tour operator. That it was the interviewee who booked the trip.

Concerning the days spent in Portugal, the interviewee describes them as being all very much the same. He states that his family, composed of his mother-in-law Diane, his wife Fiona and their two children, spent their days more independently than other members of the group. They were most often with the couple Russell and Jane.

Concerning the remaining membes of the group, normally they got up and went for breakfast at the, "Millennium," restaurant, after which they left their children at the Kids Club and the adults went to do sports inside the tourist complex or they went to the beach. The couple Gerry and Kate had breakfast in the apartment. It was usual to have dinner together every night. With the exception of Saturday, when they all dined at the, "Millennium," restaurant, every evening the group was to be found at the "Tapas" restaurant at around 20h45 for dinner. While the adults were dining, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments.

In answer to our question, the interviewee states that during all the meals, he never went to his apartment or to any of the group's apartments, because he has an, "intercom," and the signal carries from the apartment to the restaurant. The other members of the group went, randomly, every 20 minutes, to their apartments to make sure their respective children were asleep.

Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 20h55. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed. During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

Towards 22h00, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine had disappeared. Then everybody went to the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family. He remembers comments concerning the fact that the window and the shutters were open, while they had remained closed throughout the week.

That the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family comprises two bedrooms, a small kitchen, a lounge and a bathroom. That the lounge has a door which gives outside access in the direction of the restaurant. He does not recall any more details of the apartment but he remembers that the bedroom occupied by the children has a window that looks onto the main road. That he never went into the said bedroom occupied by the children but he could see that there were two beds and two cots. The cots were placed in the middle of the bedroom. One of the beds was placed against the window and the other, the one occupied by Madeleine, was against the wall facing the one which has a window.

In answer to our question, the interviewee doesn't know how many times Madeleine left the tourist complex, but he knows she went, at least once, to the beach. That during the holiday, he saw nothing abnormal concerning the couple Gerry and Kate, neither with their children nor, notably, with Madeleine. In the context of the group, he noticed nothing abnormal. That during the whole holiday, and particularly during the day and the night yesterday, nothing unusual happened in the tourist complex, which attracted his attention, or which could be correlated with Madeleine's disappearance.

He describes Madeleine as being a communicative girl, happy, obedient and very well behaved. Madeleine's parents are very sociable people, known by lots of people, kind and affectionate. Madeleine is indeed the daughter of both of the couple. She was wanted and is the result of, "In Vitro," fertilisation. There was no difference in treatment between Madeleine and the twins. He doesn't know if Madeleine suffers from any illness, nor if she is on medication. He has nothing more to say that could help the progress of the investigation.

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Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 11:51 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Goedemorgen!

Wishfull thinking ftw!

De kids leken idd wel een beetje ondergeschoven kindjes, bijna een beetje op het genante af als je leest hoe veel ze gedumpt werden.

Dit vind ik dan wel weer een lief initiatief:
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Dat hele gedoe over het boek, als de McCanns idd niet willen dat het wordt uitgegeven in de UK dan moeten ze idd maar bewijzen dat Amaral liegt.

Oh en ondertussen ook maar eens een tijdslijn en volledige verklaringen geven.

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Op vrijdag 29 augustus 2008 21:34 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:
Goedeavond Dames, blijkbaar nog genoeg onrust aan het front ? Trouwens weet iemand of het boek van Amaral ook hier uitgegeven gaat worden ?

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Fiona Payne's interview on 04 May 2007

Fiona's interview was recorded on May 4th 2007 at 7.20pm by an inspector from the 4th DIC brigade.

On the subject in hand we note that:

The interviewee was heard as a witness belonging to the group who came to Portugal with the young child Madeleine. She is married to David who is also on the trip. She has known the child's parents for around seven years. She met Kate while they were working together and she was already a friend when she met her future husband, David. The McCann couple have three children, twins aged two and Madeleine nearly four years. The interviewee has two children, who are respectively 1 and 2 years old. The idea to come to Portugal came from her husband, David, who had already been to Portugal eleven years before.

They arrived in Portugal on April 28th at around 12 noon, coming from Leicestershire via Faro and finally to Praia da Luz. From Faro to the Ocean Club, they traveled in an airport mini-bus. After checking in, they were placed in apartment G5H with her whole family (Husband, mother and two children).

The routines

Concerning what they usually do, the interviewee says that in the morning, after breakfast, which they have as a family in the bar at a club at around 08h15/08h30, they place their children in one of the complex's crèches, in different sections. In the afternoon, their children take a nap, while she and her husband stay in the apartment. At around 15h30/16h00, the nap over, they all go to the swimming pool or to the tennis courts where the interviewee stays with her children and her husband until 18h00/19h00. Then, they go back to the apartment, bathe the children, put them to bed and go to join the rest of the group for the adults' dinner, at the "Tapas," restaurant situated near the club.

Dinner

During dinner, the interviewee and her husband never went to their apartment to check that the children were ok because they would have heard the slightest noise, or any crying in the bedroom thanks to a, "Baby Monitoring," type intercom. Yesterday, the usual routine was slightly changed. Yesterday, she went to the beach with her children, her husband and her mother, Diane. They arrived there at around 15h45 and came back around 18h15pm to go to the tennis courts where they stayed until 19h00. Then the interviewee went to her apartment with her children and her mother. In the apartment, her mother, helped by her husband, gave the children a bath while the interviewee went jogging on the beach until 20h00. Then she returned to the apartment and did a few household chores and went out at around 20h45, accompanied by her mother and her husband to go to the "Tapas," restaurant to join the rest of the group. The McCann couple were amongst the members of the group at dinner.

The interviewee states that Kate and Gerry, as well as other couples, left the club a few times, at regular intervals, to make sure the children were ok. During one of these checks, Kate came back frightened and very jumpy, panicked even, and she announced that Madeleine had disappeared.

Search groups were immediately organised, in the apartment, thinking that she could be hiding there, then outside, without success, even with the help of employees. Then given Kate's state of anxiety, the interviewee decided to stay with her to lend her support.

The interviewee has never been in Madeleine's family's apartment.

Knowing Madeleine well, the interviewee describes her as very intelligent, and totally incapable of going with a stranger without screaming or protesting strongly unless she was very tired or asleep. Concerning what Jane said, the latter only said she saw a person with a child in his arms but she didn't know if it was Madeleine.

During the holiday, the interviewee noticed nothing unusual. She has nothing else to add. After reading, together with the interpreter, who explains the contents to her, she goes on and signs the deed.

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Maddie: Secrets of the Dossier Irish Independent
^{By John Boland Saturday August 30 2008}
Extract from TV review column:

(...) Then I switched channels.

I should have done the same with Maddie: Secrets of the Dossier (TV3), though I stayed with it because: a) a home-made documentary from TV3 is a rare sighting and b) it was so boring and meaningless that I was too numbed to reach for the remote.

At the outset, writer-producer Jerome Hughes promised revelations about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who, according to the solemn-toned narrator, was "the most recognised missing person in the world". Well, least recognised, I'd say, given that nobody has yet found her. But let that pass because apparently TV3 was about to give us the lowdown on the "secret files" compiled by the Portuguese police.

These files, in fact, are now in the public domain, but let that pass, too, because TV3 assured us that it was about to reveal sensational new information. Except, of course, that there was nothing of the remotest interest to reveal, and so the filmmakers resorted instead to trawling through footage we'd all seen and heard a zillion times before during the relentless media coverage of this case.

To pad matters out even further, the makers enlisted a couple of Irish experts, including retired garda Michael Kirwan, whose specialist subject, in the words of Basil Fawlty, was the bleeding obvious. "Every sighting has to be checked," Michael informed us. "There's a possibility," he later told us, "that the kidnappers panicked and killed the wee child." Gosh, I hadn't thought of that one. At the end the narrator conceded that "we still do not know what happened to Madeleine McCann, why she disappeared or where she is now". But he didn't tell us why TV3 thought this worthy of an hour-long programme.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 15:11 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hey hoi hallo!
Ik zeg niet gauw dat sommige mensen beter geen kinderen kunnen hebben, als je echter zo met ze omgaat en dan maar blijft zeuren over hoe moeilijk je het zelf hebt en hoe vervelend de media en het publiek zijn dan denk ik dat het voor alle partijen beter was geweest.

Hoe dan ook, hij heeft meer compassie en gevoel voor Maddy dan die hele Tapas bende.....
Of het iets uit haalt is een tweede maar hij probeert iig iets, vanuit zijn insteek. En dat zonder dat hij er voor wordt betaald of om wordt gechanteerd.
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CM begint het misschien wel een beetje te warm te krijgen onder zijn voeten, he is lang geleden dat ik een positief commentaar over hem heb gelezen. [quote]Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 15:18 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hangt idd van het kind af, er zijn er ook die het heel leuk vinden om mee te doen met het kinderprgramma, maar elke dag dumpen dat gaat me te ver.
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Ik denk ook dat dit gewoon een verzinseltje was om Gerry een betrokken vader te laten lijken en om een eventueel alibi te construeren.

De politie heeft geprobeerd om vragen te stellen maar als het zo lang duurt als met die rogatory letters of er wordt gewoon geen antwoord gegeven, tja, wat moet je dan? Kate heeft zich vanaf het moment dat ze arguido was zich beroepen op haar zwijgrecht, ook al hebben de moeder van Fiona en de rest haar niet meer gezien dan nog moeten die feiten nog aan een conclusie worden opgehangen, kate heeft misschien wel antwoorden maar die geeft ze klaarblijkelijk niet.

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 22:56 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ik denk dat we hier wel over eens zijn allemaal wat betreft die Kidsclubs, puntje hierover nog, de twins gingen ook na dit tragisch gebeuren naar de Kidsclub terwijl de McCanns all the world gingen reizen, ook heel kleine kinderen voelen direct dat er iets ergs heeft plaatsgevonden, al die mensen en pers, en dat Madeleine er niet was, dan ga je dus als ouders niet weg....zij wel.

Wat Gerry betreft die zegt hij op 3 mei aan Payne heeft gevraagd even te checken bij Kate en de kids, imo en ook op het internet is de mening dat deze uitspraak ons moet geloven dat Madeleine die middag nog leefde....David zegt hier dus niks over en z'n vrouw Fiona ook niet. Iets wat zeker wordt onthouden als je de volgende dag wordt gehoord door de politie. Sterker nog, Gerry en ook Kate melden hier ook niks over in de eerste verklaringen op 4 mei. Veel is later ingevuld, net hoe het de ouders uitkwam. Die leugens komen nu naar boven nu deze eerste verklaringen publiek zijn. Ook in dat merkwaardige artikel in The Guardian op 14 dec van Bridget O'Donnell, vrouw van Jeremy Wilkens (hij sprak even met Gerry die avond), beschrijft ze nergens dat ze Madeleine die dag op 3 mei echt heeft gezien, eigenlijk de hele vakantie-week beschrijft ze Madeleine niet: "Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. [b]They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty."[/b] Hun apartement was op de 4e verdieping, uitkijkend over het zwembad en Tapasrestaurant/bar en konden beneden het balkon van de McCanns zien. En geen melding van Madeleine te hebben gezien hoe ze was en zo...vreemd.
Ha ha, ja dat artikel/commentaar op Anorak is inderdaad geweldig, één van de betere imo. Mooi dat jij ook uitkijkt of het boek van Amaral hier uitkomt!

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>>> Madeleine - DNA / Forensic Science Service <<<

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Op zaterdag 30 augustus 2008 23:56 schreef voyeur het volgende:

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Dag medemutsen (mag zo langzamerhand wel, die geslachtsverandering ),

Ik ben de zaak niet vergeten hoor, ik weet gewoon niets te posten dat iets toevoegt. Deze keer slechts een vraagje: als ze foto's gemaakt hebben (" They took photo's" zie vette tekst boven) dan kunnen die toch bekeken worden. Staat Madeleine er op of niet is niet onbelangrijk. Is dat ooit gedaan?

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30/08/08 The Mysterious Disappearance of Madeleine McCann by Georges Moréas
POLICEtcetera
Le blog de Georges Moréas (French)

George Moréas is an acclaimed book author and former French Judiciary Police Inspector

Translated to English by AnnaEsse from News From My Big Desk
Spanish Translation by Mercedes from Hasta que se Sepa La Verdad

The mysterious disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann, called Maddie, was nearly four years old. On the evening of May 3rd 2007, she disappeared from her bedroom in a luxury tourist complex, the Ocean Club, in the south of Portugal, where she was supposed to have been sleeping.

No one knows what has become of her since. Recently, the press echoed a statement from the Portuguese prosecutor: case closed. This news is probably unfounded. How can a magistrate, a police officer, allow the closing of a case without thinking of the victim, a child, almost a baby. And if she were alive!...The confusion comes, no doubt, from the order that there were no grounds to prosecute the three suspects.

THE FACTS: The Ocean Club tourist complex is a collection of buildings comprising a residential block, two restaurants, the Tapas and the Millennium, tennis courts, beach, etc.

On this evening, the McCanns are dining with their friends at the Tapas restaurant. At around 10pm, Kate McCann gets up from the table to go and see her children, as she usually does, to reassure herself that everything is fine. Her two little ones, the twins, are sound asleep, in their cots, in the living room*. Her daughter's bedroom door is not closed, which surprises her. She goes in: the window is open, the shutters are raised, Maddie has disappeared. (*It does say, "salon, and appears to be saying that Madeleine is in a different room from the twins. I have translated as it stands. )

She rushes back to the restaurant to alert her husband. Together they go back to the apartment, accompanied by their friends, and they only arrive at the obvious. So, they set out to explore the surrounding area.

This is the situation discovered by the first police officers on the spot. Everything leads them to believe that the child has run off. She may not be far away. Searches are organised.

Shortly afterward, the PJ director for Lisbon, receives a call on his mobile phone from the British ambassador. His caller asks him if he is aware that a British child has disappeared.....He goes into action. You can imagine the torrent of phone calls that follows this intervention.

THE INITIAL FINDINGS: There is no disorder in the bedroom where the child was sleeping. The bed is not disturbed. There is no evidence of a break-in, neither on the window, nor on the shutters, nor on the door. A local enquiry turns up witnesses, Irish holiday-makers, who say that shortly after 10 o'clock, they saw a man carrying a child, whose description corresponds perfectly to Madeleine's: face, hair, clothes. Now there is hardly any doubt: this is an abduction. The alert is put out.

THE PJ'S INVESTIGATION: The PJ officers collect witness statements from hundreds of people, and as a priority, from the parents and their friends. Very quickly, they come across certain contradictions between them. For example, a woman states that she went past the apartment earlier in the evening and noticed that the bedroom shutters were closed. But, Kate McCann states the window was open and the shutters pushed up. And the investigators find no evidence of tampering.

Furthermore, the shutters can only be opened from the inside. Can you imagine an individual entering by the door, using a pick lock, and going out through through the window, with his victim, after having opened the shutters? And also, the child's bed is not disturbed, as though no one has slept in it. Intrigued, the police officers examine the mobile phones of each of the McCanns: the call history has been erased. Astonishing to think of emptying the memory of your mobile phone when your child has just been kidnapped! But the PJ officers are struggling to do their job. The pressure quickly becomes unbearable.

Little Maddie disappeared on the Thursday evening. On the Friday, the British ambassador, John Buck, is on the spot, accompanied by big-shot police officers and lawyers. And on the Saturday, three British police officers arrive in their turn, in theory to assist their Portuguese colleagues. The contact is not good. The local police officers feel belittled. However, having been involved with the training of Portuguese police officers, I can guarantee that they have no reason to envy either the French or the British - except perhaps certain technical resources.

The working conditions are as follows: 150 Portuguese police officers, three British police officers, authorities, diplomats, and journalists...everywhere. Not the ideal for an investigation. On the Saturday, the PJ director from Faro, tells the press: "It is an abduction." At the same time the McCann couple launch their desperate appeal before the television cameras. It is even said that the police are holding a sketch of the kidnapper, but it will not be published to avoid putting the child's life at risk. A little late, no, to think of the young victim!

During this political, media-staged bustling, the head of the investigation, Commissioner Gonçalo Amaral begins to entertain another possibility. He thinks the McCanns' behaviour is not, "natural." Otherwise, why refuse to participate in a reconstruction of the evening? He finds that certain witness statements do not correspond and that it is becoming impossible to determine where anyone was at any time. Thus, an implausible detail emerges when the Irish witness indicates that after seeing Gerry McCann on television, he positively identified him: this was the man he saw with Maddie in his arms, on the Thursday, at around 10pm. Yes, but at that time, the child's father was in the restaurant with his friends...

Amaral is skeptical. He feels that there is a certain degree of connivance amongst this group of friends. Would they be lying? He goes back to the initial findings and he examines the places from a different angle - as he would do it for a crime scene. The little girl's death becomes the working hypothesis for the investigators.

EVIDENCE OR PRESUMPTIONS: A suspect is arrested. He is a British national living a hundred metres from the leisure centre. I will not give his name as he has taken action against newspapers which said, "certain things," about him, and the press barons backed down. It is said that he banked 750,000¤.

Meanwhile, dogs trained to detect certain odours, notably those of blood or cadavers, are brought in. They detect traces inside the apartment, in the couple's bedroom and in the dining room; as well as outside the building. More disquieting, the dogs alert on the child's soft toy and on clothes belonging to her mother. The dogs are placed near a car rented by theMcCanns , and they sniff suspicious odours there too. But this vehicle was actually hired after the little girl's disappearance! On the other hand, the dogs detect nothing, either in the car of the British man under investigation, or at his home.

The vice tightens on the McCanns.

In the places marked by the dogs, minute organic fragments are gathered for DNA comparison with Madeleine's (from samples of saliva on her bed covers). The analyses are done in Great Britain. When the results come out, there is no longer any doubt: There are 15 identical markers in the two DNAs. It is the little girl.

At the beginning of September, the McCann couple are placed under investigation, but left at liberty. The press reports that they are suspected of having concealed their daughter's body after an accidental death - there is talk of the administration of a sedative that was too powerful (the parents are both doctors) - and that they would have got rid of it afterward by transporting it in a vehicle rented for that purpose.

Meanwhile, this case has taken on an international dimension. The McCanns have called the English Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the investigation is followed more closely by the governments of both countries. The press is unleashed. The parents set themselves up as the victims of a bigoted, even backward, police force. The British newspapers really lay into the investigators, who are looking at the parents instead of searching for the missing child. The English police officers, who are involved with the investigation (and who, in theory, have no power to intervene) do nothing to put things right. The public is gripped by this mysterious story - charged with emotion. A support fund is set up. Brian Kennedy, an American Millionaire offers his services.

He takes on the costs of the lawyers and the private investigators. It's even said that he goes to meet some of the witnesses. Does that have anything to do with the fact that afterwards most of them refused to go back and participate in a reconstruction? The atypical Virgin boss also puts his hand in his pocket. It is interesting to note that all this energy, all this money, is essentially used to defend the suspects.

New DNA research is carried out by the forensic laboratories in Birmingham, taking the opposite view to the first evaluation. It is said that the samples harvested (by the Portuguese police) were allegedly mixed...

Commissioner Gonçalo Amaral requests another other evaluation. Impossible, the English tell him, the samples have been destroyed, or lost, we don't exactly know, by the laboratory. Amaral can't take any more. All this hooha , this persistent pressure from the bosses, political authorities, the media, is preventing him from working properly. He is taken to task, criticised, watched closely...Even his British colleagues are causing trouble for him. Exasperated, he lets go in the press. It is a mistake, because his bosses jump at the chance. He is transferred.

Gonçalo Amaral has written a book, "The Truth of the Lie," which is out now in Portugal. Bet there will be some interesting details in it. At least if it is translated into French. Will the press, already scalded by this case, pick up on it? Not certain! The McCanns have clearly implied that their lawyers were ready to take action.

To go back to the DNA, in France, unless I am mistaken, 13 identical markers between two DNA profiles, is sufficient in law. So, if the events had taken place here, first of all the evaluation would not have been done in Great Britain, but in a French laboratory, and then the McCanns would have been placed under investigation and most certainly placed in preventive detention - and only the judge would have been able to decided on a second evaluation.

Which goes to show that scientific evidence, even the most sophisticated, doesn't depend on a mathematical formula, but on human judgement.

THE BEHAVIOUR OF THE PARENTS: I must say that the behaviour of the McCanns compared to that of other parents placed in such a painful situation is....different. From the start, they looked down on the Portuguese police officers. They lied on certain points and right away, they looked for support from their country's authorities. As if they felt threatened! Were they caught up in the media machine? The support fund which they set up (and which can be found on Google's business pages) collected around 1.5 million euros. However, one of the first expenses incurred by that fund was to make two monthly payments concerning the purchase of their house. It is said that 600,000 euros was paid out to settle the fees of private detectives, who turned out to be crooks. One of them even stated that he had infiltrated a Belgian paedophile network... In their defence, they have guaranteed that they have not used that money to pay the fees of the lawyers who are covering their defence.

These folks have mobilised around themselves so many people, so many of the smart set we might say, from politics and business.....that we can only wonder. Are they part of a network? Of a lodge? Of a sect? Of a clan?....

THE STATE OF THE INVESTIGATION: The McCann couple not having requested the continuation of the investigation, it is officially over. As things stand, there is a 4 year-old kid, probably dead; and three suspects who have been let off. One, the neighbour, suspected because of his past, but against whom there seems to be no evidence; and the parents...

There is evidence that they lied in their first statements to the police, notably about how they spent their time, apparently in connivance with their friends. They couldn't explain the presence of traces of blood or cadaver odour, particularly in the vehicle they had hired, three weeks after the events. Even if in law the second DNA evaluation negates the first, it is not entirely convincing. The experts are happy to conclude that they cannot use the gathered samples they were sent, because they were contaminated. And even if we consider that the two evaluations were contradictory, which one should we believe? The destruction of the samples makes any confirmation impossible.

And after this hullabaloo, Maddie joins the long list of missing children.



CONCLUSION: Everyone can think what they like, but Portuguese law considers that there is no charge against anyone, not any proof, not any evidence. They have, "archived," the case, as they say there.

It is astonishing. But I believe it's a good way to start over in a more calm way. In fact, nothing is stopping the investigators from, "discreetly," continuing their investigations. Portuguese procedure allows the reopening of the case at any moment, if someone brings a new element to it.

What is striking in this case, is that there is a lot of talk about money and very little about the young victim. Finally, one of the suspects pocketed 750,000 ¤ handed over by certain newspapers to avoid action for defamation, and the other two, the parents, have collected 1.5 million euros in a support fund. Not to mention the money spent by wealthy patrons. As for the Portuguese police officers, they were ridiculed.

It must stick in their throats... I'll bet they are not ready to forget it. by Joana Morais

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Op maandag 1 september 2008 12:20 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goedemiddag!

Het moge iig duidelijk zijn dat de PJ niet is geholpen door de media en de Britse autoriteiten, bovendien gaat het moddersmijten gewoon door, zie maar eens:
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Op maandag 1 september 2008 17:15 schreef livelink het volgende:
Als het boek van Amaral in het Nederlands uitkomt, denk ik dat ik hem wel ga kopen. Ik ben trouwens van mening dat Gordon Brown ook goed moet worden aangepakt als toch blijkt dat de McCanns verantwoordelijk zijn voor de dood van Maddie. Ook als prime minister heb je verantwoordelijkheden en mag je geen misbruik maken van je macht. Het lijkt er te sterk op dat hij wel misbruik heeft gemaakt van zijn macht.