[POL SC 955] De SCH/Judaskus

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:40 schreef MrX1982 het volgende:
Nou nou Lousewies niet zo schreeuwen.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:36 schreef OldJeller het volgende:

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Aha, een silent partner dus.
Tóch hadden ze haar dan beter, als ze toch aanwezig wil/moet zijn, een plaats achterin kunnen geven.
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Works amazingly well, ik weet plotseling niet waar de vraag over ging die wordt gesteld als ik dat hoofd in beeld zie.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:55 schreef du_ke het volgende:

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Sharon Dijksma zit ook vooraan en is ook vice fractievoorzitter dat zal de reden dus wel zijn.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:56 schreef MrX1982 het volgende:

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Dat denk ik ook. De fractievoorzitter en de vice-fractievoorzitter zitten voorin.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:57 schreef du_ke het volgende:
Niet dat je daar gelukkig van wordt .

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:58 schreef MrX1982 het volgende:

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De vraag is of je überhaupt gelukkig wordt van politiek.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:58 schreef du_ke het volgende:
Nauwelijks .

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:37 schreef KirmiziBeyaz het volgende:
Hoe maak ik een poll aan

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:58 schreef tvlxd het volgende:
De vraag is of je ueberhaupt gelukkig wordt.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 22:05 schreef tvlxd het volgende:
Als moderator word je misschien niet gelukkig, maar je hebt wel macht. De macht om de nodige veranderingen door te voeren!

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 21:55 schreef du_ke het volgende:

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Sharon Dijksma zit ook vooraan en is ook vice fractievoorzitter dat zal de reden dus wel zijn.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 22:18 schreef George-Butters het volgende:
ik ook zo, wekker gaat om 6.00

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 22:12 schreef zakjapannertje het volgende:
en we schorsen voor iets meer dan een half uur, koffie iemand?

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 22:16 schreef George-Butters het volgende:
zo boeiend is het nu ook weer niet allemaal.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 22:18 schreef OldJeller het volgende:
Van der Laan wil echt zoveel mogelijk vragen stellen..
Hoe meer vragen, hoe meer je gewaardeerd wordt of iets dergelijks?

Hoe meer mensen sympathie voor D66 krijgen en vinden dat het een goede partij is?

Ze heeft de meeste vragen gesteld, maar het ging meestal inhoudelijk nergens over, of ze herhaalde gewoon een vraag die ze eerder had gesteld met een andere formulering.

Puik staaltje amateuristisch gedrag.

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Somali-Born Lawmaker Leaving Netherlands

By TOBY STERLING

THE HAGUE, Netherlands May 16, 2006 (AP)— A Somali-born lawmaker and fierce critic of radical Islam tearfully announced Tuesday that she is leaving the Netherlands, reportedly for the U.S., after the government threatened to revoke her citizenship for lying on her asylum application.

The threat to strip Ayaan Hirsi Ali of Dutch citizenship unleashed a fierce debate in parliament at a time of heightened anti-immigrant sentiment in the country.

Hirsi Ali, 36, has been under police guard since a short film she wrote criticizing the treatment of women under Islam provoked the murder of its director, Theo van Gogh, by an Islamic radical.

She said she decided Monday night to resign from parliament after Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk told her "she would strip me of my Dutch citizenship."

"I am therefore preparing to leave Holland," Hirsi Ali told reporters in The Hague, her voice choking with emotion.

She declined to say what she will do next, or to comment on Dutch media reports that she will join the American Enterprise Institute in the United States. A spokesman for the institute refused to comment. The U.S. Embassy in The Hague declined to comment on reports that the government has offered to accept Hirsi Ali.

The decision to revoke Hirsi Ali's citizenship appeared driven by domestic Dutch politics and drew criticism from Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, who said he was "surprised by the speed" with which Verdonk acted and asked her for an explanation.

He said Verdonk bore "individual responsibility" for decisions in immigration cases.

Hirsi Ali falsified her name and date of birth on an asylum application when she arrived in 1992, fearing reprisals from her family after she fled an arranged marriage.

She was granted a passport in 1997 and acknowledged the falsification in 2002 during vetting as a candidate for parliament. There were no objections then.

But after a television program revived the matter last week, one of Hirsi Ali's political opponents, far-right lawmaker Hilbrand Nawijn, brought pressure on Verdonk to revoke her citizenship.

Verdonk reviewed the case and found naturalization had been improperly granted: a ruling by the Dutch Supreme Court in 2005 found that passports issued to people with false names are automatically invalid.

Hirsi Ali became internationally known after the murder of van Gogh in November 2004. She wrote the script for his 11-minute film "Submission," which offended many Muslims. She said Tuesday she would continue to voice criticism of fundamentalist Islam and that she plans a sequel to "Submission."

"I am leaving. However, the questions remain," she said. "The questions about the future of Islam in our country, the subjugation of women in Islamic culture, the integration of the many Muslims in the West. It is a self-deceit to imagine that these issues will disappear."

Van Gogh's murderer left a note threatening Hirsi Ali, and she has been under police protection ever since. The Dutch state had been scrambling to arrange housing for her after her neighbors in The Hague complained successfully last month that her security arrangements had become an unbearable nuisance.

"It is difficult to live with so many threats on your life and such a level of police protection," Hirsi Ali said. "It is difficult to work as a parliamentarian if you have no where to live. All that is difficult but not impossible. It has become impossible since last night."

Parliament held an emergency debate over Hirsi Ali's resignation, and Verdonk said she did not regret her decision.

"I understand my colleagues' emotions, but we're living in a country that prides itself on respecting the law. Rules and laws apply to everyone, and I'm not making any exceptions," she told lawmakers. But she said the case was still under review, and Hirsi Ali had six weeks to respond.

Domestic politics appeared to have played a role in Verdonk's decision. She is standing for head of the conservative Liberal Party of which Hirsi Ali is also a member. The two say they are friends.

Verdonk has built her reputation as a tough enforcer of immigration rules, especially in high-profile cases.

Taida Pasic, a Kosovo-born teenager who had lived in the Netherlands since she was 12, was deported on Verdonk's orders a month before graduating high school. Verdonk also denied Ivory Coast-born soccer player Salomon Kalou citizenship despite pleas by the coach of the Netherlands' national team coach that he be naturalized to play for Holland in the World Cup.

Supporters of Hirsi Ali reacted to the developments with dismay.

EU Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes told Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad she was "ashamed of the Netherlands because a valuable person like Hirsi Ali is being shoved out of the country."

Galen Irwin, a political science professor who mentored Hirsi Ali at Leiden University, said Verdonk's threats were "strange."

"There is nothing new about Ayaan's perceived lies. What disturbs me is the fact that she told her party leadership about this in 2002" and they failed to act, Irwin said.

Hirsi Ali's unusual trajectory started when she as 22 and passing through Germany en route to Canada for an arranged marriage to a distant cousin she had never met. She instead got on a train to Amsterdam and got asylum.

She briefly worked as a chambermaid and translator before enrolling in university for a political science degree and joining the leftist Labor Party. In 2002, on the promise of a parliament seat, she jumped to the conservatives.

Hirsi Ali said she had been left with little choice but to resign while she resolves her citizenship problems.

"Instead of fighting for the issues I care about, I would be getting into legal fights," she said. "It's better, more appropriate, more elegant to take the time for that than impose my own personal problems on the parliament and the public."

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Somali-born Dutch MP to resign, leave The Netherlands

by Stephanie van den Berg Tue May 16, 1:06 PM ET

THE HAGUE (AFP) - Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a right-wing Dutch lawmaker critical of Islam, said she was resigning as a member of parliament and would leave The Netherlands following a furore over lies on her asylum application.
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Hirsi Ali, a friend of murdered filmmaker Theo van Gogh who has received death threats from Islamic radicals, told a press conference that she would resign immediately and leave the Netherlands altogether.

"Today I resign as a member of parliament. I will leave the Netherlands, saddened but also relieved," she said on Tuesday.

The move came after tough-talking Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk, who is a member of Hirsi Ali's right-wing VVD party, told parliament Monday that Hirsi Ali's citizenship could be revoked because she had provided false information on her asylum application.

Hirsi Ali said she was "extremely disappointed" and "astonished" that her citizenship would most likely be stripped.

Verdonk's decision sparked a storm of criticism even from within the VUD and parliament has called an emergency debate on the matter late Tuesday.

Hirsi Ali said she had decided to move abroad before the controversy about her asylum application arose because a Dutch court had ordered her to move out of her government-secured house after complaints from her neighbours.

But the threat of having her citizenship withdrawn had accelerated her decision. She nevertheless insisted she did "not feel chased" out of The Netherlands.

Hirsi Ali is under round-the-clock protection from the Dutch government. Her neighbours had complained that her presence made them also vulnerable to attack.

She said she had been advised not to comment on her plans but Dutch media has reported she has obtained a job at the American Enterprise Institute, a right-wing think-tank which has provided members of US
President George W. Bush's administration.

"I have decided to opt for a more international platform because I wanted to contribute to the international debate on the emancipation of Muslim women and the complex relations between Islam and the West," is all she said on the issue.

The Somali-born politician defines herself as a "dissident of Islam" who criticizes Muslim teaching on women, homosexuals, apostates and adulterers.

She wrote the screenplay for a film critical of Islam called "Submission". Its director Theo van Gogh was murdered in Amsterdam in November 2004. Van Gogh's murderer pinned a note on his body threatening Hirsi Ali.

Hirsi Ali admits that she lied when she applied for political asylum after coming to the Netherlands in 1992, but the affair took off last week when a documentary retraced her past.

Verdonk said that because she had given false information, her applications for political asylum and Dutch citizenship were invalid.

In similar cases, the Dutch supreme court has ruled that citizenship could be revoked.

Hirsi Ali has admitted giving a false name and date of birth. She allegedly also claimed she was fleeing directly from war-torn Somalia instead of Kenya, where she was living with her family and enjoying refugee status. Hirsi Ali says she fled to escape an arranged marriage.

"I am astonished about how fast it all went. Within 48 hours my citizenship is revoked over matters that were public knowledge three and a half years ago," she said.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 22:31 schreef sigme het volgende:

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Beste OldJeller, dat heb je nu om en nabij de 15 maal herhaald, in meerdere topics. Bedankt.

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Update 23.13: De NOS meldt dat de VVD een motie wil indienen tegen de VVD-minister Rita Verdonk van Vreemdelingenzaken. De VVD meent dat Verdonk wel degelijk zelf uitzonderingen kan maken op de regels, terwijl Verdonk dit in het debat ontkende. Ook D66-fractievoorzitter Lousewies van der Laan denkt dat Verdonk wel degelijk invloed kan hebben in de uiteindelijke beslissing. Fractievoorzitter Van Beek van de VVD overlegt nu met Verdonk en streeft ernaar om ervoor te zorgen dat er een compromis komt waar beiden zich in kunnen vinden.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 23:34 schreef OldJeller het volgende:
Waarom heeft ze gefaald? Ze is goed.

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Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 23:47 schreef du_ke het volgende:

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Ze heeft keer op keer gefaald. Ze haalt niet eens haar deportatienormen .

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King Abdullah has told Saudi editors to stop publishing pictures of women as they could make young men go astray, newspapers reported Tuesday....

In recent months, newspapers have published pictures of women, always wearing the traditional Muslim headscarf, to illustrate stories with increasing regularity. Usually the stories have had to do with women's issues....

"One must think: do they want their daughter, their sister, or their wife to appear in this way. Of course, no one would accept this," the newspaper Okaz quoted Abdullah as saying.

"The youth are driven by emotion ... and sometimes they can be led astray. So, please, try to cut down on this," he said.

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Op woensdag 17 mei 2006 00:24 schreef OldJeller het volgende:

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Nog een keer, misschien dringt het deze keer tot je door: (:'))
Waarom/waarin heeft ze gefaald?

Verdonk moet voet bij stuk houden en geen compromissen sluiten, net zoals ze bij Kalou deed, dan krijgt ze nog meer lof!
Verdonk!