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Die gedachtequote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:25 schreef Johan_de_With het volgende:
Zal Talpa nu binnen afzienbare tijd de geest geven? .
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Anti-Amerikaanse propaganda op tegenlicht:
quote:Uitzending: Gesprek met Francis Fukuyama
Zondag 9 april, 21:10, NET3
Herhaling zaterdag 15 april, 11:00, NET3
In de reeks Opinie en Gesprek spreekt VPRO-programmamaker Chris Kijne met opinieleiders uit binnen- en buitenland. De reeks, een samenwerking tussen de VPRO en NRC-Handelsblad, is maandelijks te zien op het digitale documentairekanaal Holland Doc en nu ook voor het eerst in VPRO's Tegenlicht. Naar aanleiding van het verschijnen van het nieuwste boek van Francis Fukuyama, waarvan in NRC op zaterdag 8 april voorpublicatie verschijnt, praat Chris Kijne met de Amerikaanse politieke denker. Eens een belangrijk boegbeeld van het Amerikaanse neoconservatisme, maar nu fel criticaster van de draai die Bush cs. aan het neoconservatieve gedachtegoed hebben gegeven.
"Het neoconservatisme als politiek symbool en ideeëngoed, is geëvolueerd tot iets dat ik niet langer kan steunen", is de opmerkelijkste zin uit het nieuwe boek van de politiek econoom Francis Fukuyama: 'America at the Crossroads. Democracy, Power, and the Neoconservative Legacy'.
Sinds zijn doorbraak begin jaren negentig met 'The End of History and the Last Man' geldt hij immers als één van de boegbeelden van deze dominante stroming in de Amerikaanse politiek. In dat boek stelt hij dat met de val van de muur het politieke systeem van de liberale, kapitalistische democratie nu wereldwijd definitief het pleit gewonnen had.
Geldt 'ie niet vooral als mislukt visionair?quote:Sinds zijn doorbraak begin jaren negentig met 'The End of History and the Last Man' geldt hij immers als één van de boegbeelden van deze dominante stroming in de Amerikaanse politiek
Zeer interessant, ben benieuwd welke kritiek hij op Bush heeft. Zal wel over de olieoorlog gaan.quote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:28 schreef RichardQuest het volgende:
Anti-Amerikaanse propaganda op tegenlicht:
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President Camacho
TV series: Boardwalk Empire | Burn Notice | Dexter | Game of Thrones | Impractical Jokers | Luther | Sherlock | Sons of Anarchy
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1715180,00.htmlquote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:32 schreef pberends het volgende:
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Zeer interessant, ben benieuwd welke kritiek hij op Bush heeft. Zal wel over de olieoorlog gaan.
Is neoconservatisme niet vooral een mislukte visie?quote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:31 schreef Johan_de_With het volgende:
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Geldt 'ie niet vooral als mislukt visionair?
Ja, hij heeft zijn mening over de oorlog op Irak bijgesteld.quote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:32 schreef pberends het volgende:
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Zeer interessant, ben benieuwd welke kritiek hij op Bush heeft. Zal wel over de olieoorlog gaan.
Vooral de leugens zinnen hem niet. WMD, overschat gevaar, etc.quote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:38 schreef Floripas het volgende:
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Ja, hij heeft zijn mening over de oorlog op Irak bijgesteld.
Maar laten we de aflevering eerst bekijken .
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Legacy of Dead German Children
By Manfred Ertel
Thousands of German children -- many of them toddlers fleeing the Soviet advance -- died in Danish refugee camps at the end of World War II. A crusading doctor has set out to document their suffering and break long-standing beliefs about post-war Danish humanity.
Their names were Heinrich, Helmut and Walter, Gudrun, Karin or Ingelore. Hundreds of them lie buried in the farthest corners of Copenhagen's largest cemetery, Vestre Kirkegaard. Hardly any local mourners ever see them.
Plain crosses or stone slabs bear their names and mark graves in which as many as twelve small corpses were hastily buried. Sometimes they are only partially identified, like "Kottmann Child 7.4.45" or "unknown refugee child," written in now-weathered writing.
The birth dates and death dates have been recorded for most of them, but the death registers contain few other details. Still, the silent numbers nonetheless hint at their tragic fates. Like what happened to Adelheid Wandke.
Out of danger, into suffering
Little Adelheid, was not yet two when the Red Army began battling for Berlin and the US Armed Forces reached the Elbe River in Magdeburg. Adelheid was one of the lucky ones. She escaped just in time -- boarded onto one of the last refugee boats crossing the Baltic Sea, headed for the seemingly peaceful country of Denmark. For her, the danger seemed to be over.
Unfortunately, Adelheid never saw the end of the war. She also never saw her second birthday. On April 21, 1945, Adelheid was dead. Eighteen-month-old Lissy Engel was no more fortunate: 46 days after the surrender of the Germans in Denmark, on May 5th, she, too, was dead.
Adelheid, Lissy and the others are, according to a plaque on their graves, among the last German "victims of World War II." There were many more and Copenhagen is not the only supposedly safe Danish city where they were laid to rest.
Some ten thousand German children under five died in Danish camps after liberation even though they -- and their families, if they had any -- seemed to be in safety.
A story untold
Kirsten Lylloff, 64, a Danish physician and historian, has just written the previously untold story of these unfortunate and forgotten children. She calls their deaths "the biggest humanitarian catastrophe in modern Denmark." Joergen Poulsen, director of the Red Cross, speaks of a "dark chapter" in Danish history, a chapter "we will always have to be ashamed of."
Lylloff's courageous documentation does much to debunk Danish myths about the nation's humanity during World War II. In documenting the suffering of what she calls the "tyske flygtningeborn," she has opened debate on just how willing Danish doctors -- and the local population -- were to help German refugees. The answers, less positive than most Danes would like to believe, have created an emotional swelling in Denmark and have forced Danes -- 60 years later -- to come to terms with the truth about their past.
In the final weeks of the war, between February 11 and May 5, about 250,000 German refugees fled across the Baltic Sea to escape the sinking German Reich. Most were from East Prussia, Pomerania and the Baltic provinces and were fleeing the Soviet Army. And most were women, children or elderly. A third of the refugees were younger than 15 years old.
When they landed, they found themselves stranded in putative freedom and at the start of a new martyrdom. The refugees were interned in hundreds of camps from Copenhagen to Jutland, placed behind barbed wire and guarded by heavily armed overseers. The largest camp was located in Oksboll, on the west coast of Jutland, and had 37,000 detainees.
Children or enemies?
Nutrition was terrible, medical care was miserable. In 1945 alone, more than 13,000 people died, among them some 7,000 children under five. According to Lylloff's research, more German refugees died in Danish camps, "than Danes did during the entire war." Lylloff, a long-time senior physician and department head of immunology in Hilerod near Copenhagen, examined 6,200 death certificates and 6,500 grave stones. The result: A dissertation ("Children or enemies?") and a crushing verdict on members of her own profession: "What kind of monsters masquerading as human beings were those Danish doctors of 1945?" she asks.
Lylloff discovered that the Danish Association of Doctors had decided in March 1945 that German refugees would not receive any medical care. That same month the Red Cross refused to take any action, according to the newspaper "Politiken," because public sentiment was "against the Germans." The result: 80% of the small children that landed on Denmark's shores did not survive the following months.
They either starved or were unable to fight infections due to extreme malnutrition. Detailed medical reports don't exist. All that's left are endless rows of sad grey grave stones.
Debate about Danish conduct
Lylloff's research is not disputed, but the reasons for what happened are being debated vehemently. Was it Danish "hatred" of everything German as a reaction to the oppressive Nazi occupying forces, as Lylloff believes? Or was it an attempt to wipe away memories of their own collaboration? "We had enough to do, taking care of ourselves," explains Arne Gammelgaard, a historian of the older generation, in order to excuse the negligent treatment. His view is shared by many.
There was, as pamphlets distributed in 1945 prove, also a widespread fear of a "new form of invasion" by the Germans. "As soon as the Germans were gone, they seemed to be back again, hundreds of thousands of them, but with different faces," says Lylloff, trying to explain. It gave rise to "an orgy of hate against a whole people. And children had to pay the price."
By Manfred Ertel
Thousands of German children -- many of them toddlers fleeing the Soviet advance -- died in Danish refugee camps at the end of World War II. A crusading doctor has set out to document their suffering and break long-standing beliefs about post-war Danish humanity.
Their names were Heinrich, Helmut and Walter, Gudrun, Karin or Ingelore. Hundreds of them lie buried in the farthest corners of Copenhagen's largest cemetery, Vestre Kirkegaard. Hardly any local mourners ever see them.
Plain crosses or stone slabs bear their names and mark graves in which as many as twelve small corpses were hastily buried. Sometimes they are only partially identified, like "Kottmann Child 7.4.45" or "unknown refugee child," written in now-weathered writing.
The birth dates and death dates have been recorded for most of them, but the death registers contain few other details. Still, the silent numbers nonetheless hint at their tragic fates. Like what happened to Adelheid Wandke.
Out of danger, into suffering
Little Adelheid, was not yet two when the Red Army began battling for Berlin and the US Armed Forces reached the Elbe River in Magdeburg. Adelheid was one of the lucky ones. She escaped just in time -- boarded onto one of the last refugee boats crossing the Baltic Sea, headed for the seemingly peaceful country of Denmark. For her, the danger seemed to be over.
Unfortunately, Adelheid never saw the end of the war. She also never saw her second birthday. On April 21, 1945, Adelheid was dead. Eighteen-month-old Lissy Engel was no more fortunate: 46 days after the surrender of the Germans in Denmark, on May 5th, she, too, was dead.
Adelheid, Lissy and the others are, according to a plaque on their graves, among the last German "victims of World War II." There were many more and Copenhagen is not the only supposedly safe Danish city where they were laid to rest.
Some ten thousand German children under five died in Danish camps after liberation even though they -- and their families, if they had any -- seemed to be in safety.
A story untold
Kirsten Lylloff, 64, a Danish physician and historian, has just written the previously untold story of these unfortunate and forgotten children. She calls their deaths "the biggest humanitarian catastrophe in modern Denmark." Joergen Poulsen, director of the Red Cross, speaks of a "dark chapter" in Danish history, a chapter "we will always have to be ashamed of."
Lylloff's courageous documentation does much to debunk Danish myths about the nation's humanity during World War II. In documenting the suffering of what she calls the "tyske flygtningeborn," she has opened debate on just how willing Danish doctors -- and the local population -- were to help German refugees. The answers, less positive than most Danes would like to believe, have created an emotional swelling in Denmark and have forced Danes -- 60 years later -- to come to terms with the truth about their past.
In the final weeks of the war, between February 11 and May 5, about 250,000 German refugees fled across the Baltic Sea to escape the sinking German Reich. Most were from East Prussia, Pomerania and the Baltic provinces and were fleeing the Soviet Army. And most were women, children or elderly. A third of the refugees were younger than 15 years old.
When they landed, they found themselves stranded in putative freedom and at the start of a new martyrdom. The refugees were interned in hundreds of camps from Copenhagen to Jutland, placed behind barbed wire and guarded by heavily armed overseers. The largest camp was located in Oksboll, on the west coast of Jutland, and had 37,000 detainees.
Children or enemies?
Nutrition was terrible, medical care was miserable. In 1945 alone, more than 13,000 people died, among them some 7,000 children under five. According to Lylloff's research, more German refugees died in Danish camps, "than Danes did during the entire war." Lylloff, a long-time senior physician and department head of immunology in Hilerod near Copenhagen, examined 6,200 death certificates and 6,500 grave stones. The result: A dissertation ("Children or enemies?") and a crushing verdict on members of her own profession: "What kind of monsters masquerading as human beings were those Danish doctors of 1945?" she asks.
Lylloff discovered that the Danish Association of Doctors had decided in March 1945 that German refugees would not receive any medical care. That same month the Red Cross refused to take any action, according to the newspaper "Politiken," because public sentiment was "against the Germans." The result: 80% of the small children that landed on Denmark's shores did not survive the following months.
They either starved or were unable to fight infections due to extreme malnutrition. Detailed medical reports don't exist. All that's left are endless rows of sad grey grave stones.
Debate about Danish conduct
Lylloff's research is not disputed, but the reasons for what happened are being debated vehemently. Was it Danish "hatred" of everything German as a reaction to the oppressive Nazi occupying forces, as Lylloff believes? Or was it an attempt to wipe away memories of their own collaboration? "We had enough to do, taking care of ourselves," explains Arne Gammelgaard, a historian of the older generation, in order to excuse the negligent treatment. His view is shared by many.
There was, as pamphlets distributed in 1945 prove, also a widespread fear of a "new form of invasion" by the Germans. "As soon as the Germans were gone, they seemed to be back again, hundreds of thousands of them, but with different faces," says Lylloff, trying to explain. It gave rise to "an orgy of hate against a whole people. And children had to pay the price."
Ja, hij's niet dom de man.quote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:36 schreef RichardQuest het volgende:
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1715180,00.html
President Camacho
TV series: Boardwalk Empire | Burn Notice | Dexter | Game of Thrones | Impractical Jokers | Luther | Sherlock | Sons of Anarchy
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Als 'ie nou gewoon aan de lopende band wielen in Mitsubushi's zette, hield hij er nog wat geld aan over.quote:
En nou ophouden met je racistische praat, RQ
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws.fok/63680#2605508
R@b vindt geen kloot aan DWHN, vandaar dat ie zo'n verzuurde is.
R@b vindt geen kloot aan DWHN, vandaar dat ie zo'n verzuurde is.
President Camacho
TV series: Boardwalk Empire | Burn Notice | Dexter | Game of Thrones | Impractical Jokers | Luther | Sherlock | Sons of Anarchy
TV series: Boardwalk Empire | Burn Notice | Dexter | Game of Thrones | Impractical Jokers | Luther | Sherlock | Sons of Anarchy
"Komt een vrouw bij de dokter"-moppen en marokkanen/turken/neger/belgenmoppen vindt 'ie waarschijnlijk prachtig.quote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:47 schreef pberends het volgende:
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws.fok/63680#2605508
R@b vindt geen kloot aan DWHN, vandaar dat ie zo'n verzuurde is.
Oh, en Jensen.
Komt Spijkerman na z'n tirade tegen het kopieren van het concept van een rubriekje nu met een schaamteloze DWHN rip-off?quote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:47 schreef pberends het volgende:
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws.fok/63680#2605508
R@b vindt geen kloot aan DWHN, vandaar dat ie zo'n verzuurde is.
Volkorenbrood: "Geen quotes meer in jullie sigs gaarne."
President Camacho
TV series: Boardwalk Empire | Burn Notice | Dexter | Game of Thrones | Impractical Jokers | Luther | Sherlock | Sons of Anarchy
TV series: Boardwalk Empire | Burn Notice | Dexter | Game of Thrones | Impractical Jokers | Luther | Sherlock | Sons of Anarchy
Flipflop!quote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:38 schreef Floripas het volgende:
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Ja, hij heeft zijn mening over de oorlog op Irak bijgesteld.
Jan Paparazzi met z'n mond dicht is nog grappiger .quote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:49 schreef RichardQuest het volgende:
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"Komt een vrouw bij de dokter"-moppen en marokkanen/turken/neger/belgenmoppen vindt 'ie waarschijnlijk prachtig.
Oh, en Jensen.
President Camacho
TV series: Boardwalk Empire | Burn Notice | Dexter | Game of Thrones | Impractical Jokers | Luther | Sherlock | Sons of Anarchy
TV series: Boardwalk Empire | Burn Notice | Dexter | Game of Thrones | Impractical Jokers | Luther | Sherlock | Sons of Anarchy
De laatste serie van DWHN vond ik overigens ook vrij matig. Laten we hopen dat de volgende weer beter wordtquote:Op vrijdag 7 april 2006 16:47 schreef pberends het volgende:
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws.fok/63680#2605508
R@b vindt geen kloot aan DWHN, vandaar dat ie zo'n verzuurde is.
