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  maandag 20 maart 2006 @ 00:26:44 #251
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Op maandag 20 maart 2006 00:19 schreef Napalm het volgende:

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Begin maar te zoeken op google bij Bell-curve en lees je een maandje in over alle argumenten voor en tegen. Open vervolgens een apart topic hiervoor en ik zal je, afhankelijk van je stelling, bewierroken of .....
Ik ken de Bell-Curve - en de falsificatie ervan.
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(Je komt zelf met een stelling zonder bron dus ik ga daar niet mee beginnen lijkt me)
Mijn stellingen hadden weldegelijk een (papieren) bron: Guns, germs and steel van Jared diamond.
  maandag 20 maart 2006 @ 00:27:26 #252
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Op maandag 20 maart 2006 00:20 schreef klez het volgende:

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Vooruit. Zijn we weer vriendjes. Ik vind het leuk mijn abominabel slechte engels op deze manier op peil te houden. En mijn bijna even gebrekkige Nederlands te camoufleren...
  maandag 20 maart 2006 @ 22:48:37 #253
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Op maandag 20 maart 2006 00:26 schreef Floripas het volgende:

Mijn stellingen hadden weldegelijk een (papieren) bron: Guns, germs and steel van Jared diamond.
Ik heb 'm hier liggen. Met een beetje mazzel heb ik binnen een paar jaar wel tijd om 'm te lezen.
Moet ook nog door "een kleine geschiedenis van bijna alles" heen.
Te druk met die ratrace, weetjewel.
"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred "
Ahmadinejad, leader of Iran
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Op zondag 19 maart 2006 22:38 schreef Floripas het volgende:

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Nee: door de snelle uitwisseling van mensen in verschillende gebieden zijn bijna alle ziektes ontstaan op het Euraziatische continent.
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Ja hoor, al die punten gaan net zo goed op voor Scandinavie.
Scandinavie is en was zeer dunbevolkt en daarnaast zijn grote delen niet geschikt voor landbouw.
  dinsdag 21 maart 2006 @ 18:51:54 #255
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Op maandag 20 maart 2006 22:56 schreef Evil_Jur het volgende:

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Scandinavie is en was zeer dunbevolkt en daarnaast zijn grote delen niet geschikt voor landbouw.

Als je deze kaart bekijkt, dan zie je dat Denemarken en de zuidelijke kuststreken van de Scandinavische Paddestoel behoorlijk intensief bewoond worden, zeker vergeleken met de gebieden buiten de "urbane banaan".

De uitwisseling met de Scandinavische volkeren waren altijd erg groot. Ook zij hielden dieren, verbouwden graan. De culturele uitwisseling was heel intensief.

De volkeren die boven de landbouwgrens wonen, zoals de Samen, die hebben dan ook niet zo best geboerd - en leven in de marge.
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Ik ben het grotendeels met je eens, maar op Denemarken na was zeker in de geschiedenis sprake van een zeer gespreide bevolking. En wat bettreft de Samen, recentelijk had ik het daar met een Noorweegse over, interessant volk
  woensdag 22 maart 2006 @ 17:53:30 #257
31245 nonzz
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Ik heb ooit ergens gelezen dat het heel gunstig (in cultureel opzicht) voor een continent is als de bergkentens die daar aanwezig zijn niet in de noord-zuid richting liggen (andes, rocky mountains en oeral) maar in de oost-west richting (alpen). Groepen mensen die daar in de buurt wonen kunnen dan eenvoudiger in contact komen met andere groepen mensen die in hetzelfde klimaat leven. De onwikkeling van die groepen mensen gaat daardoor sneller. Als de bergketen in de noord-zuid richting lig worden de groepen mensen meer geïsoleerd omdat ze dan of een berg over moeten of in een ander klimaat terecht komen (ze gaan immers naar het noorden of zuiden) als ze andere groepen mensen tegen willen komen.
lege ton
  woensdag 22 maart 2006 @ 17:56:10 #258
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Op woensdag 22 maart 2006 17:53 schreef nonzz het volgende:
Ik heb ooit ergens gelezen dat het heel gunstig (in cultureel opzicht) voor een continent is als de bergkentens die daar aanwezig zijn niet in de noord-zuid richting liggen (andes, rocky mountains en oeral) maar in de oost-west richting (alpen). Groepen mensen die daar in de buurt wonen kunnen dan eenvoudiger in contact komen met andere groepen mensen die in hetzelfde klimaat leven. De onwikkeling van die groepen mensen gaat daardoor sneller. Als de bergketen in de noord-zuid richting lig worden de groepen mensen meer geïsoleerd omdat ze dan of een berg over moeten of in een ander klimaat terecht komen (ze gaan immers naar het noorden of zuiden) als ze andere groepen mensen tegen willen komen.
Exact: zo kunnen landbouwinnovaties van bepaalde gewassen zich vooral heel snel verspreiden.
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Zeg nog een vraagje, wat vind Jared 'alles-is-evolutie-behalve-mijn-vrouw' Diamond van de val van het Romeinse rijk, wat is zijn verklaring daarvoor?
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Dit kan natuurlijk ook meespelen
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Nederlanders slimste van alle Europeanen 27-03-2006

Nederlanders zijn het slimst van alle Europeanen. We moeten de eerste plaats echter wel delen met de Duitsers. Gemiddeld hebben inwoners van beide landen een IQ van 107, zo staat in een onderzoek van de Universiteit van Ulster in Noord-Ierland, waaruit de Britse krant de Times maandag publiceerde.









Uit onderzoek blijkt tevens dat moppen over Belgen geoorloofd zijn: onze zuiderburen hebben een gemiddeld IQ van 99. Daarmee laten ze wel de Spanjaarden (98) en de Fransen (94) achter zich. De 'domste' mensen wonen volgens de onderzoekers in Servië. Het gemiddelde IQ reikt daar niet verder dan 89.

Mensen in het 'koude' Noord-Europa hebben grotere hersenen dan mensen in het warmere zuiden, menen de onderzoekers. De barre omstandigheden dwong de vroege mens in Noord-Europa meer te jagen dan mensen uit het warmere Zuiden van het continent. Daardoor kregen de noordelingen meer proteïne, mineralen en vitaminen binnen, die belangrijk zijn voor de ontwikkeling van de hersenen. Bron ANP

bron:http://kassa.vara.nl/portal_syn_msn?_scr=nieuws_artikel&no=2412369
  maandag 27 maart 2006 @ 16:37:13 #261
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 16:34 schreef Chewie het volgende:
Dit kan natuurlijk ook meespelen
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bron:http://kassa.vara.nl/portal_syn_msn?_scr=nieuws_artikel&no=2412369
Shit ben je me voor. Waarschijnlijk woon je noordelijker dan ik...
"They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred "
Ahmadinejad, leader of Iran
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 16:37 schreef klez het volgende:

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Shit ben je me voor. Waarschijnlijk woon je noordelijker dan ik...
Groninger he
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In dat geval zouden olifanten al op Alpha Centauri zitten. De grootte van hersenen zegt echter niet zoveel over intelligentie.
  maandag 27 maart 2006 @ 16:55:42 #264
127507 LodewijkNapoleon
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Het ziet er naar uit dat Diamond een concurrent heeft:
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How Christianity (and Capitalism) Led to Science
By RODNEY STARK

When Europeans first began to explore the globe, their greatest surprise was not the existence of the Western Hemisphere, but the extent of their own technological superiority over the rest of the world. Not only were the proud Maya, Aztec, and Inca nations helpless in the face of European intruders, so were the fabled civilizations of the East: China, India, and Islamic nations were "backward" by comparison with 15th-century Europe. How had that happened? Why was it that, although many civilizations had pursued alchemy, the study led to chemistry only in Europe? Why was it that, for centuries, Europeans were the only ones possessed of eyeglasses, chimneys, reliable clocks, heavy cavalry, or a system of music notation? How had the nations that had arisen from the rubble of Rome so greatly surpassed the rest of the world?

Several recent authors have discovered the secret to Western success in geography. But that same geography long also sustained European cultures that were well behind those of Asia. Other commentators have traced the rise of the West to steel, or to guns and sailing ships, and still others have credited a more productive agriculture. The trouble is that those answers are part of what needs to be explained: Why did Europeans excel at metallurgy, shipbuilding, or farming?

The most convincing answer to those questions attributes Western dominance to the rise of capitalism, which took place only in Europe. Even the most militant enemies of capitalism credit it with creating previously undreamed of productivity and progress. In The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels proposed that before the rise of capitalism, humans engaged "in the most slothful indolence"; the capitalist system was "the first to show what man's activity can bring about." Capitalism achieved that miracle through regular reinvestment to increase productivity, either to create greater capacity or improve technology, and by motivating both management and labor through ever-rising payoffs.

Supposing that capitalism did produce Europe's own "great leap forward," it remains to be explained why capitalism developed only in Europe. Some writers have found the roots of capitalism in the Protestant Reformation; others have traced it back to various political circumstances. But, if one digs deeper, it becomes clear that the truly fundamental basis not only for capitalism, but for the rise of the West, was an extraordinary faith in reason.

A series of developments, in which reason won the day, gave unique shape to Western culture and institutions. And the most important of those victories occurred within Christianity. While the other world religions emphasized mystery and intuition, Christianity alone embraced reason and logic as the primary guides to religious truth. Christian faith in reason was influenced by Greek philosophy. But the more important fact is that Greek philosophy had little impact on Greek religions. Those remained typical mystery cults, in which ambiguity and logical contradictions were taken as hallmarks of sacred origins. Similar assumptions concerning the fundamental inexplicability of the gods and the intellectual superiority of introspection dominated all of the other major world religions.

But, from early days, the church fathers taught that reason was the supreme gift from God and the means to progressively increase understanding of Scripture and revelation. Consequently Christianity was oriented to the future, while the other major religions asserted the superiority of the past. At least in principle, if not always in fact, Christian doctrines could always be modified in the name of progress, as demonstrated by reason. Encouraged by the scholastics and embodied in the great medieval universities founded by the church, faith in the power of reason infused Western culture, stimulating the pursuit of science and the evolution of democratic theory and practice. The rise of capitalism also was a victory for church-inspired reason, since capi-talism is, in essence, the systematic and sustained application of reason to com-merce — something that first took place within the great monastic estates.

During the past century Western intellectuals have been more than willing to trace European imperialism to Christian origins, but they have been entirely un-willing to recognize that Christianity made any contribution (other than intolerance) to the Western capacity to dominate other societies. Rather, the West is said to have surged ahead precisely as it overcame re-ligious barriers to progress, especially those impeding science. Nonsense. The success of the West, including the rise of science, rested entirely on religious foundations, and the people who brought it about were devout Christians. Unfortunately, even many of those historians willing to grant Christianity a role in shaping Western progress have tended to limit themselves to tracing beneficial religious effects of the Protestant Reformation. It is as if the previous 1,500 years of Christianity either were of little matter, or were harmful.

Such academic anti-Roman Catholicism inspired the most famous book ever written on the origins of capitalism. At the start of the 20th century, the German sociologist Max Weber published what soon became an immensely influential study: The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. In it Weber proposed that capitalism originated only in Europe because, of all the world's religions, only Protestantism provided a moral vision that led people to restrain their material consumption while vigorously seeking wealth. Weber argued that, before the Reformation, restraint on consumption was invariably linked to asceticism and, hence, to condemnations of commerce. Conversely, the pursuit of wealth was linked to profligate consumption. Either cultural pattern was inimical to capitalism. According to Weber, the Protestant ethic shattered those traditional linkages, creating a culture of frugal entrepreneurs content to systematically reinvest profits in order to pursue ever greater wealth, and therein lies the key to capitalism and the ascendancy of the West.

Perhaps because it was such an elegant thesis, it was widely embraced, despite the fact that it was so obviously wrong. Even today The Protestant Ethic enjoys an almost sacred status among sociologists, although economic historians quickly dismissed Weber's surprisingly undocumented monograph on the irrefutable grounds that the rise of capitalism in Europe preceded the Reformation by centuries. Only a decade after Weber published, the celebrated Belgian scholar Henri Pirenne noted a large literature that "established the fact that all of the essential features of capitalism — individual enterprise, advances in credit, commercial profits, speculation, etc. — are to be found from the 12th century on, in the city republics of Italy — Venice, Genoa, or Florence." A generation later, the equally celebrated French historian Fernand Braudel complained, "All historians have opposed this tenuous theory, although they have not managed to be rid of it once and for all. Yet it is clearly false. The northern countries took over the place that earlier had so long and brilliantly been occupied by the old capitalist centers of the Mediterranean. They invented nothing, either in technology or business management." Braudel might have added that, during their critical period of economic development, those northern centers of capitalism were Catholic, not Protestant — the Reformation still lay well into the future. Further, as the Canadian historian John Gilchrist, an authority on the economic activity of the medieval church, pointed out, the first examples of capitalism appeared in the great Christian monasteries.

Though Weber was wrong, however, he was correct to suppose that religious ideas played a vital role in the rise of capitalism in Europe. The material conditions needed for capitalism existed in many civilizations in various eras, including China, the Islamic world, India, Byzantium, and probably ancient Rome and Greece as well. But none of those societies broke through and developed capitalism, as none evolved ethical visions compatible with that dynamic economic system. Instead, leading religions outside the West called for asceticism and denounced profits, while wealth was exacted from peasants and merchants by rapacious elites dedicated to display and consumption. Why did things turn out differently in Europe? Because of the Christian commitment to rational theology, something that may have played a major role in causing the Reformation, but that surely predated Protestantism by far more than a millennium.

Even so, capitalism developed in only some locales. Why not in all? Because in some European societies, as in most of the rest of the world, it was prevented from happening by greedy despots. Freedom also was essential for the development of capitalism. That raises another matter: Why has freedom so seldom existed in most of the world, and how was it nurtured in some medieval European states? That, too, was a victory of reason. Before any medieval European state actually attempted rule by an elected council, Christian theologians had long been theorizing about the nature of equality and individual rights — indeed, the later work of such secular 18th-century political theorists as John Locke explicitly rested on egalitarian axioms derived by church scholars.

All of this stemmed from the fact that from earliest days, the major theologians taught that faith in reason was intrinsic to faith in God. As Quintus Tertullian instructed in the second century, "Reason is a thing of God, inasmuch as there is nothing which God the Maker of all has not provided, disposed, ordained by reason — nothing which He has not willed should be handled and understood by reason." Consequently it was assumed that reason held the key to progress in understanding scripture, and that knowledge of God and the secrets of his creation would increase over time. St. Augustine (c. 354-430) flatly asserted that through the application of reason we will gain an increasingly more accurate understanding of God, remarking that although there are "certain matters pertaining to the doctrine of salvation that we cannot yet grasp ... one day we shall be able to do so."

Nor was the Christian belief in progress limited to theology. Augustine went on at length about the "wonderful — one might say stupefying — advances human industry has made." All were attributed to the "unspeakable boon" that God has conferred upon his creation, a "rational nature." Those views were repeated again and again through the centuries. Especially typical were these words preached by Fra Giordano, in Florence in 1306: "Not all the arts have been found; we shall never see an end of finding them."

Christian faith in reason and in progress was the foundation on which Western success was achieved. As the distinguished philosopher Alfred North Whitehead put it during one of his Lowell Lectures at Harvard in 1925, science arose only in Europe because only there did people think that science could be done and should be done, a faith "derivative from medieval theology."

Moreover the medieval Christian faith in reason and progress was constantly reinforced by actual progress, by technical and organizational innovations, many of them fostered by Christianity. For the past several centuries, far too many of us have been misled by the incredible fiction that, from the fall of Rome until about the 15th century, Europe was submerged in the Dark Ages — centuries of ignorance, superstition, and misery — from which it was suddenly, almost miraculously, rescued; first by the Ren-aissance and then by the Enlightenment. But, as even dictionaries and encyclopedias recently have begun to acknowledge, it was all a lie!

It was during the so-called Dark Ages that European technology and science overtook and surpassed the rest of the world. Some of that involved original inventions and discoveries; some of it came from Asia. But what was so remarkable was the way that the full capacities of new technologies were recognized and widely adopted. By the 10th century Europe already was far ahead in terms of farm-ing equipment and techniques, had unmatched capacities in the use of water and wind power, and possessed superior military equipment and tactics. Not to be overlooked in all that medieval progress was the invention of a whole new way to organize and operate commerce and industry: capitalism.

Capitalism was developed by the great monastic estates. Throughout the medieval era, the church was by far the largest landowner in Europe, and its liquid assets and annual income probably exceeded that of all of Europe's nobility added together. Much of that wealth poured into the coffers of the religious orders, not only because they were the largest landowners, but also in payment for liturgical services — Henry VII of England paid a huge sum to have 10,000 masses said for his soul. As rapid innovation in agricultural technology began to yield large surpluses to the religious orders, the church not only began to reinvest profits to increase production, but diversified. Having substantial amounts of cash on hand, the religious orders began to lend money at interest. They soon evolved the mortgage (literally, "dead pledge") to lend money with land for security, collecting all income from the land during the term of the loan, none of which was deducted from the amount owed. That practice often added to the monastery's lands because the monks were not hesitant to foreclose. In addition, many monasteries began to rely on a hired labor force and to display an uncanny ability to adopt the latest technological advances. Capitalism had arrived.

Still, like all of the world's other major religions, for centuries Christianity took a dim view of commerce. As the many great Christian monastic orders maximized profits and lent money at whatever rate of interest the market would bear, they were increasingly subject to condemnations from more traditional members of the clergy who accused them of avarice.

Given the fundamental commitment of Christian theologians to reason and progress, what they did was rethink the traditional teachings. What is a just price for one's goods, they asked? According to the immensely influential St. Albertus Magnus (1193-1280), the just price is simply what "goods are worth according to the estimate of the market at the time of sale." That is, a just price is not a function of the amount of profit, but is whatever uncoerced buyers are willing to pay. Adam Smith would have agreed — St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-74) did. As for usury, a host of leading theologians of the day remained opposed to it, but quickly defined it out of practical existence. For example, no usury was involved if the interest was paid to compensate the lender for the costs of not having the money available for other commercial opportunities, which was almost always easily demonstrated.

That was a remarkable shift. Most of these theologians were, after all, men who had separated themselves from the world, and most of them had taken vows of poverty. Had asceticism truly prevailed in the monasteries, it seems very unlikely that the traditional disdain for and opposition to commerce would have mellowed. That it did, and to such a revolutionary extent, was a result of direct experience with worldly imperatives. For all their genuine acts of charity, monastic administrators were not about to give all their wealth to the poor, sell their products at cost, or give kings interest-free loans. It was the active participation of the great orders in free markets that caused monastic theologians to reconsider the morality of commerce.

The religious orders could pursue their economic goals because they were sufficiently powerful to withstand any attempts at seizure by an avaricious nobility. But for fully developed secular capitalism to unfold, there needed to be broader freedom from regulation and expropriation. Hence secular capitalism appeared first in the relatively democratic city-states of north-ern Italy, whose political institutions rested squarely on church doctrines of free will and moral equality.

Augustine, Aquinas, and other major theologians taught that the state must respect private property and not intrude on the freedom of its citizens to pursue virtue. In addition, there was the central Christian doctrine that, regardless of worldly inequalities, inequality in the most important sense does not exist: in the eyes of God and in the world to come. As Paul explained: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor fee, there is neither male nor female, for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

And church theologians and leaders meant it. Through all prior recorded history, slavery was universal — Christianity began in a world where as much as half the population was in bondage. But by the seventh century, Christianity had become the only major world religion to formulate specific theological opposition to slavery, and, by no later than the 11th century, the church had expelled the dreadful institution from Europe. That it later reappeared in the New World is another matter, although there, too, slavery was vigorously condemned by popes and all of the eventual abolition movements were of religious origins.

Free labor was an essential ingredient for the rise of capitalism, for free workers can maximize their rewards by working harder or more effectively than before. In contrast, coerced workers gain nothing from doing more. Put another way, tyranny makes a few people richer; capitalism can make everyone richer. Therefore, as the northern Italian city-states developed capitalist economies, visitors marveled at their standards of living; many were equally confounded by how hard everyone worked.

The common denominator in all these great historical developments was the Christian commitment to reason.

That was why the West won.

Rodney Stark is university professor of the social sciences at Baylor University. This essay is adapted from The Victory of Reason: How Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success, to be published in December by Random House. Copyright © by Rodney Stark.
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"It was during the so-called Dark Ages that European technology and science overtook and surpassed the rest of the world. "

Ik denk dat de auteur de Middeleeuwen bedoelt en niet de Dark Ages. En mja, China, India en islamitische landen in de vijftiende eeuw achterlijk noemen in vergelijking met Europa, dat is een wel erg aparte visie op de werkelijkheid.

Ik zal het een keertje doorlezen.
  maandag 27 maart 2006 @ 17:00:51 #266
127507 LodewijkNapoleon
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 16:57 schreef Monidique het volgende:
"It was during the so-called Dark Ages that European technology and science overtook and surpassed the rest of the world. "

Ik denk dat de auteur de Middeleeuwen bedoelt en niet de Dark Ages.
In het Engels taal gebied betekent 'Dark Ages' over het algemeen ook de middeleeuwen, i.t.t. tot hier, waar het alleen betrekking heeft op het vroege Griekenland van 1200 tot 800 v.Chr.
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 17:00 schreef LodewijkNapoleon het volgende:

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In het Engels taal gebied betekent 'Dark Ages' over het algemeen ook de middeleeuwen, i.t.t. tot hier, waar het alleen betrekking heeft op het vroege Griekenland van 1200 tot 800 v.Chr.
Nee, dat is niet waar, zoals in dit artikel op Wikipedia te lezen valt.
  maandag 27 maart 2006 @ 17:11:54 #268
127507 LodewijkNapoleon
Le Roi Est Mort
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 17:02 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Nee, dat is niet waar, zoals in dit artikel op Wikipedia te lezen valt.
Daar staat in dat het in de volksmond nog steeds veel gebruikt wordt, wat het ook verklaart omdat dit een essay van de schrijver is dat verscheen in een krant.
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 17:11 schreef LodewijkNapoleon het volgende:

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Daar staat in dat het in de volksmond nog steeds veel gebruikt wordt, wat het ook verklaart omdat dit een essay van de schrijver is dat verscheen in een krant.
De volksmond heeft het dan ook fout.
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Ik heb net dat hele lange verhaal gelezen en waar het dus om draait is je gezond verstand te gebruiken. Was die knakker daar nu zoveel woorden voor nodig?

Het is allang bekend dat volkeren die in een periode sterk aan kennisontwikkeling deden hierdoor hele glorierijke tijden kenden.
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 17:02 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Nee, dat is niet waar, zoals in dit artikel op Wikipedia te lezen valt.
Je moet niet alles geloven wat op wikipedia geschreven wordt. Het is een kwestie van definities, en als ik de Dark Ages wil definieren als de middeleeuwen dan doe ik dat
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 17:40 schreef -scorpione- het volgende:

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Je moet niet alles geloven wat op wikipedia geschreven wordt. Het is een kwestie van definities, en als ik de Dark Ages wil definieren als de middeleeuwen dan doe ik dat
Ja, doe dat, maar verwacht niet dat je historische essay er geloofwaardiger van overkomt.
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Op woensdag 22 maart 2006 17:53 schreef nonzz het volgende:
Ik heb ooit ergens gelezen dat het heel gunstig (in cultureel opzicht) voor een continent is als de bergkentens die daar aanwezig zijn niet in de noord-zuid richting liggen (andes, rocky mountains en oeral) maar in de oost-west richting (alpen). Groepen mensen die daar in de buurt wonen kunnen dan eenvoudiger in contact komen met andere groepen mensen die in hetzelfde klimaat leven. De onwikkeling van die groepen mensen gaat daardoor sneller. Als de bergketen in de noord-zuid richting lig worden de groepen mensen meer geïsoleerd omdat ze dan of een berg over moeten of in een ander klimaat terecht komen (ze gaan immers naar het noorden of zuiden) als ze andere groepen mensen tegen willen komen.
ik dacht dat de Alpen toch echt een klimaatscheiding veroorzaken. Vergelijk eens meer van Lugano met Vierwoudstedenmeer bij Zurich.
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 17:43 schreef Monidique het volgende:

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Ja, doe dat, maar verwacht niet dat je historische essay er geloofwaardiger van overkomt.
Hahaha, nee niet als je in het vastgeroeste academische wereldje van de wetenschap blijft hangen idd, die leven op dit moment compleet in een dark age...
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Op maandag 27 maart 2006 17:47 schreef -scorpione- het volgende:

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Hahaha, nee niet als je in het vastgeroeste academische wereldje van de wetenschap blijft hangen idd.
Inderdaad, ha ha.
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