mp3 streamquote:"I suggest therefore that this be sold not through a democratic process - that would take too long and devour far too much of the funds - to educate the cannon fodder, unfortunately, that populates the earth. We have to take almost an elitist program, [so] that we can see beyond our swollen bellies, and look to the future in timeframes and in results which are not easily understood, or which can be, with intellectual honesty, be reduced down to some kind of simplistic definition." [snobby emphasis on 'simplistic']
Holy crap! Wat een boekwerkquote:Op zondag 22 januari 2006 18:55 schreef Merovingian. het volgende:
Vorige week uploade ik wat voorlopig me laatste artikel voor me website zal zijn:
The people with the endless bios -
An introduction to the world we live in - Part one
Ze zouden zo langzamerhand niks meer overhouden als ze iedereen met kritiek zouden schrappen.quote:sinds ik ze aanviel op enkele van hun belachelijke 9/11 theorien.
Das een oude tip zie ik nu... ipv Ctrl+A, selecteer de text en plaatjes alleen. Kan er wel .pdfs van maken. Moet je maar even mailen want ik heb je emailadres niet meer.quote:I cannot print your webpages. The text and pictures go off the page.
Copy the site in MS Word (Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V) or print the pages sideways.
Nadat ik vorige week nog een paar keer de videoboodschap van George Hunt gekeken heb wilde ik toch eens weten in hoevere ik zijn verhaal kan bevestigen.quote:Op zondag 22 januari 2006 18:55 schreef Merovingian. het volgende:
Vorige week uploade ik wat voorlopig me laatste artikel voor me website zal zijn:
The people with the endless bios -
An introduction to the world we live in - Part one
Net als me vorige artikel over de Bohemian Grove (symbolisme gedeelte) is ook deze terecht gekomen op Prisonplanet/Infowars. Vraag me af waarom ze ineens van gedachten zijn veranderd. Ging ervan uit dat PP me net als Rense negeerde sinds ik ze aanviel op enkele van hun belachelijke 9/11 theorien. Toch wel aardig dat ze zich hier overheen kunnen zetten.
Anyway OpenYourMind, die 2 films die je me stuurde van George Hunt bleken erg nuttig te zijn A) omdat het artikel zo klokkie rond was en B) omdat de info, indien waar, hoogst interessant is. Pierre Beaudry en waarschijnlijk ook Jeff Steinberg van EIR gaan nu proberen om George Hunt te vinden en documenten plus audio te verifiëren.
Hoewel ik EIR, de politieke groep van Larouche, over het algemeen wat te christelijk en te radicaal vind (waardoor hun boodschap meestal totaal niet aankomt) weten ze in ieder geval wel heel goed waar ze over praten. Ze zijn nu bezig met wat prime time reclamespotjes en ik gaf als tip dat wanneer ze dat spul van George Hunt kunnen verifieren, ze daar een hele mooie reclamespot van kunnen maken.Mocht dat ooit gebeuren of zie je dat er in de toekomst meer over Hunt's werk geschreven wordt, dan weet je iig dat je daar jezelf aan hebt te danken. So, thx.
Voorbeeld uit artikel (het document doet daar nog wat stapjes bovenop):
Quote:
"I suggest therefore that this be sold not through a democratic process - that would take too long and devour far too much of the funds - to educate the cannon fodder, unfortunately, that populates the earth. We have to take almost an elitist program, [so] that we can see beyond our swollen bellies, and look to the future in timeframes and in results which are not easily understood, or which can be, with intellectual honesty, be reduced down to some kind of simplistic definition." [snobby emphasis on 'simplistic'] - mp3 stream
- 1987, Fourth World Wilderness Conference David Lang. WW Congresses founded by Edmund de Rothschild (Pilgrims) and attented by David Rockefeller (Pilgrims), James Baker (Pilgrims), and Maurice Strong (1001 Club - Rothschild-Rockefeller protege).
quote:THE FOURTH WORLD WILDERNESS CONFERENCE:
Beware the bankers bearing gifts
An interview with Mr. George Hunt
Mr. George Hunt has been an accountant for small businesses, corporations, and partnerships for the past 18 years, specializing in physicians and dentists. He works also with general businesses, doing consulting, accounting, and tax work as well as investment counselling. He kindly made time for this interview on November 18, 1987.
MONEYCHANGER - What was the Fourth World Wilderness Congress that took place September 11th through September 18th?
HUNT - It was billed as a world-wide meeting to address global environmental concerns. As far as the public was concerned, it was produced by a chap named Ian Player, a wealthy, wealthy industrialist of (I believe) English descent. I'm sure he'd be in Who's Who and so on. As I found out it was not really produced by him, but by the moneychangers in London and Europe.
MONEYCHANGER - That is a far-reaching charge. What basis do you have for that?
HUNT - Well, the London banker Baron Edmund de Rothschild was at the meeting for 6 days. Edmund de Rothschild was personally conducting the monetary matters and creation of this World Conservation Bank (WCB), in the company of I. Michael Sweatman of the Royal Bank of Canada. Those 2 were like Siamese twins, and that's why I say that it appears they were running at least the money side of this conference, and I would say the conference was primarily to get money. Also, David Rockefeller <of Chase Manhattan Bank> was there, and gave a speech on Sunday.
MONEYCHANGER - How many people were there?
HUNT - There were 1500 from 60 countries sign up at the first meetings in Denver. That was first 3 days before it went up into the mountains, where the shirtsleeve work was done.
MONEYCHANGER - Into the mountains where?
HUNT - We went up to Estes Park, Colorado from Monday through Friday, after the meetings the preceding Friday through Sunday afternoon at Currigan Hall in Denver. Rockefeller spoke that Sunday and there were keynote addresses about how great this whole idea was. Then we adjourned to the YMCA camp facility in Estes Park for another 5 days of meetings.
MONEYCHANGER - What whole idea?
HUNT - Oh, conservation, ecology, the world has a chance, we're going to beat the ozone deterioration, we're going to get the rain forests back together again. The thing that really set me off was <Secretary of the Treasury James> Baker's talk.
MONEYCHANGER - Was he there?
HUNT - Oh yeah, he was there. He gave the keynote address. He said that conservation requires "growth and development". There was a HUM around the audience, because they knew that "growth and development" are antagonistic to conservation.
MONEYCHANGER - Wait now. There are some code words passing here, aren't there? When Baker says something like that, he's talking in code about something else.
HUNT - Exactly. He's talking in code about the *formula*, the "equation" of conservation and growth and development, that is, assets equals liabilities plus net worth. There were a lot of these *double intendres*.
[knip]
After the talks for the public and the newspapers were finished on Sunda afternoon, we went up to the shirtsleeves sessions in Estes Park. I had lunch with Michael Sweatman and Mr. and Mrs. Rothschild, and I was able to ask them how this bank was going to continue to operate***
MONEYCHANGER - By "this bank" you mean the WCB?
HUNT - Yes. I didn't see any earnings engine inside it. Where are the earnings coming from, if all you have in it are these wilderness lands, reindeer hides, and so on? I didn't say exactly that, but***
MONEYCHANGER - Reindeer hides don't pay much of a dividend.
HUNT - No. They're planning on re-financing, debt swapping <for assets> one trillion dollars of Third World debt into this new World Conservation Bank. I told a high official of the Brazilian finance ministry, Dr. Jose Pedro de Oliveira-Costa, I don't see how this bank is going to survive. Is this really going to benefit Brazil?
He sad, last night I could not sleep all night long. There is no benefit that anybody's going to get from this bank. If they give us a refinance, in the short run, yes, we will benefit. We will get soft currency from them, we'll be able to get our economy going again, but in the long term, he said, we won't be able to pay those loans back. We've devalued as far as we possibly can in our country, we're at the brink of poverty.
[knip]
MONEYCHANGER - How will this World Conservation Bank scheme work exactly?
HUNT - The WCB will be enacted by the United Nations, and will need to be approved, I would think, by every country participating. Let's assume that our senators and representatives allow this thing to happen. Then the Bank will be endowed with 30% of the earth's land surface.
MONEYCHANGER - Now WHO is going to do that? Governments around the world will give title to their wilderness lands to the WCB?
HUNT - Will give title to the lands to the World Wilderness Land Inventory Trust. It will be en-trusted. Sounds good, huh? We know about trusts.
Then this Trust will go floating into the WCB by the unanimous decree of the world's people, saying, God Bless you for saving our reindeer. That kind of a mentality is where they're coming from. Those people at the congress were ignorant. They don't suspect anything. They're VERY naive. Not stupid, ignorant.
MONEYCHANGER - Which people do you mean?
HUNT - I'm talking about the conservationists. Conservationists and ecologists comprised about 60% of the people there. About 30% were government, United Nations and other bureaucrats. The other 10% were world banking heavyweights who were there with axes to grind and pencils to sharpen.
So the bank is endowed with an asset, an asset worth how many trillions? I don't know. Their accountants are going to evaluate this 50 million sqaure kilometer <twelve and a half *billion* acres, 5 million hectares> hunk of wilderness lands. then the WCB will have the power to act as a world central bank. It can create soft currencies, not hard currencies, at this point. Soft currencies are used, as you probably know, for some purpose WITHIN a country. But what I picked up on is that the soft currencies can be spent outside of a country for environmental and ecological equipment. Well, hello, International Harvester, Mack Truck, etc., they're going to bring those soft currencies into the US and we're going to have inflation.
MONEYCHANGER - That will be an international currency, in other words. You're calling it a soft currency, but in effect it'll be an international currency.
HUNT - It's not an international currency in the sense of a one world currency because it's not a hard currency, it's not legal tender for all international transactions, yet. Now you know and I know that by currency and debt-for-equity swaps they're going to wheel and deal it from soft into hard somehow. These guys are smart.
MONEYCHANGER - Let me see if I understand. A World Conservation Bank will be set up and into a trust will be vested title to 30% of the world's land surface, 12 1/2 *billion* acres. Against this the WCB will issue loans to various countries to buy, what did you say, environmental***
HUNT - No, no, no, they could issue loans, but I'm talking specifically about currencies. They can create currencies for in-country use.
MONEYCHANGER - Well, that's issuing loans. It's the same thing. They will loan money for certain spceified purposes to these countries. Now am I to assume that say, for example, Brazil, puts up the Amazon Basin, and they get credited a certain amount? Then there's a certain amount of loans they can draw down against that "deposit", so to speak?
HUNT - How it will work I'm not sure. They didn't get into technique, they went into policies and enactments and resolutions. BUT, there could be a gradual loan swap for Brazil, taking them out of their old loans and putting them into a new WCB loan, which will then sweeten the loan on the Chase Manhattan's balance sheet, and will take it out of non-accrual and put it back into the healthy loan column once again.
MONEYCHANGER - or else pay it off.
HUNT - Or they could pay it off, right. They could call it any shot that they wanted to. They could pay them off lickety-split.
MONEYCHANGER - But what's really happened is that the Brazilians will have given up title to millions of acres of land and in exchange the Chase Manhattan will get its loan to Brazil paid off by the WCB.
HUNT - You got it.
MONEYCHANGER - I got it.
<Here's how the 'Fact Sheet: World Conservation Bank' published by the Secretariat of the Fourth World Wilerness Congress states the scheme:
"The World Conservation Bank would finance, direclty and through syndicated and co-fincancing arrangements:
"1) the preparation, development, and implementation of national
conservation strategies by developing country governments:
"2) the acquisition/lease of environmentally important land
for preservation of biological diversity and watersheds:
"3) the management and conservations of selected areas.
"And plans for the WCB propose that it act as intermediary between certain developing countries and multilateral or private banks to transfer a specific debt to the WCB, thus substituting an existing 'doubtful' debt in the bank's books for a new loan to the WCB. In return for having been relieved of its debt obligation, the debtor country would transfer to the WCB natural resource assets of 'equivalent value'. Or, developing country debts under foreign assistance programs, which have little hope of repayment, could be retained in-country and applied toward conservation, reforestation, or rural agricultural programs through the WCB.">
HUNT - I believe that World Bank loans, as they stand now, are not collateralized. Now they're entering into a new era of loan collateralization. They're saying, Okay, the next step is that we ant collateral, so that when we loan-swap this debt, and we're going to own the Amazon if you default. Remember, as the Brazilian Oliveira-Costa sad, they're not going to be able to pay that off. That's why he couldn't sleep that night, because he *knew* that they were going to loose the Amazon <or whatever they put up as collateral>.
MONEYCHANGER - These are debt for equity swaps, which they've been talking about for several years. They're going to make their bad loans good by collateralizing them after the fact with all of this land, and somebody, somebody, SOMEBODY is going to end up with title to *twelve and a half billion acres*. Is that right?
HUNT - That's right. The collateral behind whatever loans are in the WCB at the time, if the WCB goes belly up. There's a whole see-saw of things that are going to happen. They have multi-, multi-trillions of dollars upon which they can create currencies and loans, and they're going to begin to barter and countertrade and loan-swap against the United States.
[knip
How will this project be put into effect? Will it be installed under the auspices of the United Nations?
HUNT - I think so. There was a United Nations World Commission on Environment and Development created in 1982 that published what's called the Brundtland Report, actually entitled OUR COMMON FUTURE.
[knip]
MONEYCHANGER - How fast are they moving? When will they try to put this WCB into action?
HUNT - As soon as they can, because as Rockefeller said in his speech, "the good news is that collapse f the monetary system that was predicted by some regarding each of the major borrowing countries has been resolved 'temporarily' by extending the debt."
"Temporarily" -- that means he wants some *permanent* solutions. "They bad news is that lower petroleum prices in 1986 <have> caused countries to renegotiate the schedule for debt repayment again. The borrowing countries are in better shape because interest cost of servicing the nearly F$400 billion in Latin American debt is still enormous. One-third of Latin America's Export earnings are devoted to paying interest on this debt, according to the Institute for International Economics in Washington. Two-thirds of the nearly F$400 billion in debt is owed to a number of commercial banks, including Chase Manhattan. Most are paying only interest payments, not principal, and while economic conditions have improved the countries still face political and structural problems that could hamper repayment."
As you will recall I talked to Oliveira-Costa, a Brazilian finance ministry official, and he said, There is no way that we could pay off that debt. So the bottom line says, We're going to have a financial collapse in our country if they DON'T get the WCB.
[knip]
At the end of the caucus, Baron Rothschild, "You have decided. This will be a second World Marshall Plan." And I said to myself, "Did we say *that*? Nobody said anything here." When I got home I realized the significance of what he had said. That will be a resolution, because he wrote it on a resolution sheet, I saw him do it. That means that the governments are going to guarantee the debt of the WCB. Now Russia was a lot of the wilderness lands, and I see that Russia is going to get a lot of the loans. When they default, and the US is going to be the turkey again.
MONEYCHANGER - But still, in the end, SOMEBODY is going to end up with title to those lands, and I suggest that these somebodies are these same moneyed interests that were so much in evidence at this Fourth World Wilderness Conference.
HUNT - Exactly, and they're going to be in back of the bank loaning currency and cash flow to the WCB to keep it alive, to give it the *appearance* of profitability. The bank will be running on an accrual basis. On paper it will be recognizing profits received on interests, but the interests will NOT be coming in because these countries cannot pay. So my hypothesis is that the kings, capitalists, and moneychangers of the world will be in the back of this bank in the position of *creditors*.
Zie voor het volledige interview: http://www.textfiles.com/conspiracy/owgart1.003
Naast kennis is geld ook een middel om de wereld te beïnvloeden. Nog beter zelfs is het wanneer je hele economieën kan beïnvloeden of zelfs via het creëren en uitlenen van geld landen, regeringen en bedrijven kan onderwerpen. En dit is nou precies wat de internationale bankiers altijd al hebben willen bereiken. Het is de ultieme manier om rijkdommen veilig te stellen en de wereld vorm te kunnen geven.quote:"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press...They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers."
- Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it will never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals for rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
- John Swinton, Former Chief of Staff of the New York Times, called by his peers "The Dean of his profession", was asked in 1953 to give a toast before the New York Press Club
"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practiced in past centuries."
- David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991. (Bilderberg Meeting, June 1991 Baden, Germany)
Er zijn theorieën dat de internationale bankiers samen met de grote industriëlen oorlogen financieren en hierbij vaak beide of meerdere partijen steunen en deze oorlogen langer laten voortduren vanwege de winst die er te behalen valt. De internationale banken geven leningen uit in tijden van oorlog die vaak vele malen hoger zijn dan de leningen in vredestijd. De landen/regeringen die deze leningen aangaan zitten zo voor jaren vast aan de aflossing en rente. Ook de wederopbouw is een goudmijn voor de bankiers en de industriële wereld. Daarnaast zouden deze bankiers recessies kunnen veroorzaken om zo goedkoop land en bedrijven op te kunnen kopen en zo in een korte tijd miljarden kunnen verdienen.quote:"The most sinister and anti-social feature about bank-deposit money is that it has no existence. The banks owe the public for a total amount of money which does not exist. In buying and selling, implemented by cheque transactions, there is a mere change in the party to whom the money is owed by the banks. As the one depositor's account is debited, the other is credited and the banks can go on owing for it all the time. The whole profit of the issuance of money has provided the capital of the great banking business as it exists today. Starting with nothing whatever of their own, they have got the whole world into their debt irredeemably, by a trick. This money comes into existence every time the banks 'lend' and disappears every time the debt is repaid to them. So that if industry tries to repay, the money of the nation disappears. This is what makes prosperity so 'dangerous' as it destroys money just when it is most needed and precipitates a slump. There is nothing left now for us but to get ever deeper and deeper into debt to the banking system in order to provide the increasing amounts of money the nation requires for its expansion and growth. An honest money system is the only alternative."
- Frederick Soddy, Nobel Prize Winner, 1921
"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it all back again. However, take this great power away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control credit."
- Sir Josiah Stamp, President of the Bank of England in the 1920s
"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nation states involved. As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future."
- U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his 1964 book: With No Apologies.
Bij een overheid werkt het in grote lijnen net zo. Een overheid leent geld bij de centrale banken en moet over het geleende geld rente betalen net als de gewone particulier. Het totale uitstaande geleende geld wordt ook wel de staatsschuld genoemd. Alleen wanneer een bank een lening uitgeeft wordt er geld in circulatie gebracht. Een overheid of bedrijf zal geen aflossing aan een bank kunnen doen zonder ook weer geld uit de economie te ontrekken. Het verschil tussen een lening tussen particulieren en een lening van een bank is dat bij particulieren het geld in circulatie blijft, bij het terugbetalen van een lening aan een bank wordt er geld ontrokken uit de economie. Naast de aflossing van een lening dient er rente betaald te worden over het geleende bedrag. Het geld voor de rente is echter nooit gecreëerd. De betaling van de rente zal dus geld uit de economie trekken. (Wikipedia - Money Supply)quote:"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes...Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
quote:Discontinuance of M3
On March 23, 2006, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System will cease publication of the M3 monetary aggregate. The Board will also cease publishing the following components: large-denomination time deposits, repurchase agreements (RPs), and Eurodollars. The Board will continue to publish institutional money market mutual funds as a memorandum item in this release.
Measures of large-denomination time deposits will continue to be published by the Board in the Flow of Funds Accounts (Z.1 release) on a quarterly basis and in the H.8 release on a weekly basis (for commercial banks).
M3 does not appear to convey any additional information about economic activity that is not already embodied in M2 and has not played a role in the monetary policy process for many years. Consequently, the Board judged that the costs of collecting the underlying data and publishing M3 outweigh the benefits.
Bron: http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/discm3.htm
quote:Bretton Woods System
The Bretton Woods system is commonly understood to refer to the international monetary regime that prevailed from the end of World War II until the early 1970s. Taking its name from the site of the 1944 conference that created the *International Monetary Fund (IMF) and *World Bank, the Bretton Woods system was history's first example of a fully negotiated monetary order intended to govern currency relations among sovereign states. In principle, the regime was designed to combine binding legal obligations with multilateral decision-making conducted through an international organization, the IMF, endowed with limited supranational authority. In practice the initial scheme, as well as its subsequent development and ultimate demise, were directly dependent on the preferences and policies of its most powerful member, the United States.
Voor meer zie onderstaande link...
Bron: http://www.polsci.ucsb.edu/faculty/cohen/inpress/bretton.html
quote:International Monetary Fund (IMF) And the World Bank (WB)
The IMF describes itself as "an organization of 184 countries, working to foster global monetary cooperation, secure financial stability, facilitate international trade, promote high employment and sustainable economic growth, and reduce poverty". With the exception of North Korea, Cuba, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, Tuvalu and Nauru, all UN member states either participate directly in the IMF or are represented by other member states. (Wikipedia - IMF)
The World Bank Group is a group of five international organizations responsible for providing finance and advice to countries for the purposes of economic development and poverty reduction, and for encouraging and safeguarding international investment. The group and its affiliates have their headquarters in Washington, D.C., with local offices in 124 member countries.
Together with the separate International Monetary Fund, the World Bank organizations are often called the "Bretton Woods" institutions, after Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, where the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference that led to their establishment took place (1 July-22 July 1944). (Wikipedia - World Bank Group)
Organisaties als de IMF en World Bank zijn opgezet om landen te helpen bij het krijgen en behouden van een stabiele economie en het bestrijden van armoede. Zoals ik hierboven beschreven heb in het stukje over het geldsysteem en de internationale banken is het economische systeem juist het probleem. De IMF en de World Bank zijn zich hiervan wel degelijk bewust en door landen leningen te geven proberen ze controle te krijgen over het beleid van het desbetreffende land. De meeste derde wereldlanden zitten zo diep in de schulden dat ze geen andere keus rest dan deze leningen aan te nemen. De leningen van het IMF zijn echter aan strikte voorwaarden onderhevig. De voorwaarden bestaan meestal uit het devalueren van de munt, privatiseren van staatsbedrijven (met name energie, water en eerste levensbehoefte gerelateerde bedrijven) en het openstellen van de economie voor buitenlandse investeerders. Dit resulteert in een korte boost in de economie waar vaak alleen de rijken van profiteren. Vaak wordt er gewerkt aan de infrastructuur van een land (al dan niet succesvol). De negatieve gevolgen voor de inwoners van het land zijn vaak, lagere lonen, hogere prijzen voor eerste levensbehoeften, multinationals die vruchtbaar land opkopen en de lokale boeren uit de markt prijzen. Het openstellen van de economie heeft vaak ook tot gevolg dat er een groot aantal producten onder de prijs van de productie in eigenland gedumpt worden. Iets dat wij in Westen afschermen met allerlei verdragen en subsidies.quote:The role of the two Bretton Woods institutions has been controversial to many since the late Cold War period. Critics claim that IMF policy makers deliberately supported capitalistic military dictatorships friendly to American and European corporations. Critics also claim that the IMF is generally apathetic or hostile to their views of democracy, human rights, and labor rights. These criticisms generated a controversy that helped spark the anti-globalization movement. Others claim the IMF has little power to democratize sovereign states, nor is that its stated objective: to advise and promote financial stability. Arguments in favor of the IMF say that economic stability is a precursor to democracy.
Two criticisms from economists have been that financial aid is always bound to so-called "Conditionalities", including Structural Adjustment Programs. Conditionalities, it is claimed, retard social stability and hence inhibit the stated goals of the IMF.
Typically the IMF and its supporters advocate a Keynesian approach. As such, adherents of supply-side economics generally find themselves in open disagreement with the IMF. The IMF frequently advocates currency devaluation, criticized by proponents of supply-side economics as inflationary. Secondly they link higher taxes under "austerity programmes" with economic contraction.
Currency devaluation is recommended by the IMF to the governments of poor nations with struggling economies. Supply-side economists claim these Keynesian IMF policies are destructive to economic prosperity, although many other economists disagree.
Most altermondialists, like ATTAC, believe that IMF interventions aggravate the poverty and debt of Third World and developing countries. According to the analysis by Yves Engler, the IMF is considered to be responsible for worsening or actually creating famine in Malawi (2002), Ethiopia (2003) and Niger (2005). [2]
Opposition to the IMF is often fragmented. For instance, advocates of supply-side economics would generally regard the policies advocated by ATTAC to be little different in form to the ideas peddled by the IMF. In other words, they would see ATTAC tax-and-spend policies and the IMF's austerity policies as being fundamentally similar.
Argentina, which had been considered by the IMF to be a model country in its compliance to policy proposals by the Bretton Woods institutions, experienced a catastrophic economic crisis in 2001, generally believed to have been caused by IMF-induced budget restrictions which undercut the government's ability to sustain national infrastructure even in crucial areas such as health, education, and security and privatization of strategically vital national resources. The crisis added to widespread hatred of this institution in Argentina and other South American countries, with many blaming the IMF for the region's economic problems [3]. The current as of early 2006 trend towards moderate left-wing governments in the region and a growing concern with the development of a regional economic policy largely independent of big business pressures has been ascribed to this crisis.(Wikipedia - IMF Criticism)
quote:1945 - United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)
UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) is a specialized agency of the United Nations established in 1945. Its stated purpose is to contribute to peace and security by promoting international collaboration through education, science, and culture in order to further universal respect for justice, the rule of law, and the human rights and fundamental freedoms proclaimed in the UN Charter. THe name can also be interpretated as a greek word meaning "i discovered things". [1]
In total 191 nations belong to UNESCO. The organization is headquartered in Paris, with over 50 field offices and several institutes and offices throughout the world. Most of the field offices are "cluster" offices covering three or more countries; there are also regional offices. UNESCO pursues its action through five major programmes: education, natural sciences, social and human sciences, culture and communication and information. Projects sponsored by UNESCO include literacy, technical, and teacher-training programmes; international science programmes; regional and cultural history projects, the promotion of cultural diversity; international cooperation agreements to secure the world cultural and natural heritage and to preserve human rights; and attempts to bridge the world-wide digital divide. (Wikipedia - UNESCO)
quote:1948 - International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources (IUCN)
The World Conservation Union or International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources (IUCN) is an international organization dedicated to natural resource conservation.
Founded in 1948, its headquarters is located in Gland, Switzerland. The IUCN brings together 81 states, 120 government agencies, 800-plus NGOs and 10,000 experts and scientists from 181 countries.
IUCN's mission is to influence, encourage and assist societies throughout the world to conserve the integrity and diversity of nature and to ensure that any use of natural resources is equitable and ecologically sustainable. (Wikipedia - IUCN)
Uit deze eerste twee organisaties blijkt dat de UN of in ieder geval onderdelen ervan natuurgebieden onder hun hoede willen nemen en dit ook daadwerkelijk uitvoert. Tot zover niks aan de hand, natuur moet beschermd worden en de UN lijkt mij daar de aangewezen groepering voor. Alhoewel je toch wat vraagtekens kan zetten bij de regelingen en de macht die een organisatie als de UN wereldwijd heeft.quote:UNESCO World Heritage Site
A UNESCO World Heritage Site is a specific site (such as a forest, mountain range, lake, desert, building, complex, or city) that has been nominated--and confirmed--for inclusion on the list maintained by the international World Heritage Programme administered by the UNESCO World Heritage Committee.
The programme aims to catalogue, name, and preserve sites of outstanding cultural or natural importance to the common heritage of humankind. Under certain conditions, listed sites can obtain funds from the World Heritage Fund. The programme was founded with the Convention Concerning the Protection of World Cultural and Natural Heritage, which was adopted by the General Conference of UNESCO on 16 November 1972. Since then, 182 state parties (countries) have ratified the convention.
As of 2005, a total of 812 sites are listed: 628 cultural, 160 natural, and 24 mixed properties, in 137 state parties. UNESCO references each World Heritage Site with a unique identification number; but new inscriptions often include previous sites now listed as part of larger descriptions. As a result, the numbering system currently ends above 1100, even though there are fewer on the actual list.
Each World Heritage Site is the property of the country on whose territory the site is located, but it is considered in the interest of the international community to preserve each site for future generations of humankind. The protection and conservation of these sites are a concern of all the World Heritage countries. (Wikipedia - UNESCO World Heritage Site)
quote:4th World Wilderness Congress
4th WORLD WILDERNESS CONGRESS - Held in September, 1987 in Denver and Estes Park, Colorado, United States, with 2,000 delegates from 64 countries. Proceedings: For the Conservation of Earth, edited by Vance G. Martin, published by Fulcrum, Inc., 1988.
Proposed the establishment of a World Conservation Bank, or Fund, the first call for new conservation finance mechanisms, which eventually led to the $1.1 billion Global Environment Facility of the World Bank.
U.S. Secretary of the Treasury, James Baker, was the first finance minister to open a major conservation conference, calling for integration of economics and environment.
The first World Wilderness Inventory, prepared for the WWC by the Sierra Club continued to advocate inclusion of wilderness as a separate and specific classification under the World Conservation Union (IUCN) Categories of Protected Areas, which was accepted by the IUCN in 1990.
Resubmitted to the British government the resolution to consider the Cairngorm Plateau for listing as a World Heritage Site (to preserve its valuable wilderness characteristics), a process which was then begun by the British government in 1990.
First proposal for a World Conservation Corps, or Service, as an avenue for effective, public environmental action. (World Wilderness Congress
De oprichting van de World Conservation bank is hierbij een feit. Dan rest alleen nog de volgende vragen:quote:Global Environment Facility (GEF)
The Global Environment Facility (GEF) was established by donor governments in 1991, largely to pre-empt politically more radical alternative models of conservation finance proposed at the Rio Earth Summit. It helps so called developing countries (that is, poorer governments) to fund projects and programs that are claimed to protect the global environment. GEF grants support projects related to biodiversity, climate change, international waters, land degradation, the ozone layer, and persistent organic pollutants. The GEF is run from the World Bank, which limits its independence of both action and policy.
GEF Funding
Since 1991, the Global Environment Facility has provided $6.2 billion in grants and generated over $20 billion in co-financing from other sources to support over 1,800 projects that produce global environmental benefits in 140 developing countries and countries with economies in transition. Up to 20% of this funding flows through Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs).
GEF funds are contributed by donor countries. In 2002, 32 donor countries pledged $3 billion to fund operations through 2006.
GEF projects are managed by a set of Implementing Agencies
GEF's implementing agencies: the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), and the World Bank - play key roles in managing GEF projects on the ground. Through them, the GEF has quickly amassed a diverse project portfolio serving the developing world, Eastern Europe, and the Russian Federation - more than 140 countries altogether. Moreover, GEF teamwork by these partners reinforces their individual efforts to mainstream or incorporate global environment concerns into all of their policies and programs.
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quote:The United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)
The United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) , the development arm of the United Nations, was designated by the Global Environment Facility (GEF) as one of its three Implementing Agencies. The GEF, established in 1991, helps developing countries fund projects and programmes that protect the global environment. GEF grants support projects related to biodiversity, climate change, international waters, land degradation, the ozone layer, and persistent organic pollutants.
As of June 2005, UNDP’s GEF programme portfolio is spread over 140 countries with over 1000 projects, and ranges from national to multi-country initiatives. The portfolio stands at US$ 1.8 billion with over US$ 3 billion raised in additional cofinancing. UNDP manages the GEF Small Grants Programme on behalf of the GEF family, which has implemented over 6000 community-based projects in 80 countries.
UNDP-GEF Mandate
UNDP derives its mandate on the environment from the United Nations, international conventions and the relevance of the environment to its work on poverty reduction and sustainable human development. The UN system has refined its environment goals around the WEHAB (Water and Sanitation, Energy, Health, Agriculture and Biodiversity) framework of priorities agreed at the 2002 World Summit on Sustainable Development, which underpins the Millennium Development Goals. Following this change, UNDP has re-organized its Energy and Environment practice around these goals.
NDP-GEF functions as an advisory team to UNDP staff, providing technical advice on the global environment as well as guidance on the Global Environment Facility (GEF) and its project cycle.
Technical and operational guidance is provided by a variety of specialists of the environment under the management of the UNDP-GEF Executive Coordinator.
The Global Environment Facility (GEF)
The Global Environment Facility (GEF),established in 1991, helps developing countries fund projects and programs that protect the global environment. GEF grants support projects related to biodiversity, climate change, international waters, land degradation, the ozone layer, and persistent organic pollutants.
The GEF is fundamentally a partnership for mainstreaming global environmental concerns into national sustainable development agendas. Its governance structure is centered around a Council composed of 32 representatives from member states who meet biannually to review GEF projects, future business plans, work programmes, and policies.
The GEF Assembly, composed of all 176 GEF member states, meets every 3 or 4 years to review and approve general policies, operations, and amendments to the founding GEF Instrument. The Conventions provide guidance to the GEF, and the Science and Technology Advisory Panel (STAP) reviews every project and provides advice regarding GEF policies. The GEF Office of Monitoring and Evaluation (GEFME) reports on results and lessons from GEF programs and projects directly to the GEF Council.
GEF operations are coordinated by a Secretariat in Washington, D.C that is headed by a Chief Executive Officer (CEO). Operations are carried out by a tripartite partnership composed of the United Nations Development Programme, the World Bank, and the United Nations Environment Programme, which are referred to as the three Implementing Agencies.
Each Implementing Agency brings its own particular comparative advantage to the GEF. As stated in the GEF Instrument, UNDP will play the primary role in ensuring the development and management of capacity building programs and technical assistance projects. In 1999, the GEF Council expanded opportunities for seven organizations to contribute to the implementation of GEF projects. These organizations are known as Executing Agencies under the GEFÁs expanded opportunities policy, and comprise four regional development banks (AsDB, AfDB, EBRD, IDB) and three UN bodies (FAO, IFAD, UNIDO), some with full access to GEF funding.
The Implementing and Executing Agencies are responsible for project formulation, submission, implementation, and monitoring and evaluation. Projects have to conform to the policies and decisions of the GEF Assembly and Council and are developed through consultation and dialogue with national governments and local stakeholders, the GEF Secretariat, and STAP. NGOs often play a key role in the project identification, formulation and implementation process.
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quote:The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP)
The Global Environment Facility (GEF) was established as a joint international effort to help solve global environmental problems. The GEF Trust Fund was established by a World Bank resolution on March 14, 1991 while the Facility was formally established in October 1991 as a joint programme between the United Nations Development Programme, UNEP and the World Bank.
The GEF provides new and additional grant and concessional funding to meet the incremental costs of measures to achieve global environmental benefits in four focal areas, namely:
- the protection of biological diversity;
- the reduction of greenhouse gases;
- the protection of international waters;
- the prevention and reduction of releases of persistent organic pollutants (POPs);
- the reduction of land degradation, primarily desertification and deforestation; and,
- the protection of the ozone layer.
Currently, more than 150 countries are participating in the Facility. For more general information on the GEF's procedures, project formats, and eligibility requirements of projects, go to http://www.gefweb.org
UNEP's Role in the GEF
UNEP has a key role in the GEF, catalyzing the development of scientific and technical analysis and advancing environmental management in GEF-financed activities. UNEP provides guidance on relating the GEF-financed activities to global, regional and national environmental assessments, policy frameworks and plans, and to international environmental agreements.
As trustee for the environment, UNEP plays a distinctive and strategic role in the GEF by:
cooperating with UNDP and the World Bank as a full partner;
advancing greater responsiveness of the GEF to global environmental priorities through informed decision-making, by providing strategic inputs, and fostering complementarity between actions in each focal area, so that GEF activities are consistent with global and regional assessments, conventions and agreements, action plans and policy frameworks in the development context;
providing necessary scientific and technical inputs at all levels so as to ensure the scientific and technical integrity of the GEF process, and contributing effectively to the formulation of GEF operational strategies;
providing the perspective of global and regional frameworks and strategies which UNEP has helped to develop, so as to strengthen the GEF operations;
executing projects of a strategic nature and importance that directly contribute to increased understanding, knowledge and awareness of critical aspects of global environmental issues addressed by the GEF, and contributing to the execution of projects of the partner agencies at their request;
and, assisting countries, when so requested by Governments, and relevant organizations, to assess their needs and develop project ideas.
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De World Bank blijkt dus de geldschieter te zijn achter de GEF en via de UN wordt er vertrouwen geschonken aan de hele organisatie.quote:World Bank - Global Environment Facility Program
As one of the three implementing agencies of the Global Environment Facility (GEF), the World Bank assists its member countries conserve and sustainably use their biological diversity, reduce their emissions of greenhouse gases, manage shared water bodies and reduce their emissions of ozone-depleting substances by accessing GEF resources to cover the incremental costs of additional actions on these global issues.
The GEF is a mechanism for providing new and additional grant and concessional funding to meet the agreed incremental costs of measures to achieve agreed global environmental benefits in the four focal areas - Climate change; Biological diversity; International waters; and Ozone layer depletion. The agreed incremental cost of activities concerning land degradation, primarily desertification and deforestation, as they relate to the four focal areas, are also eligible for funding. It serves as the financial mechanism for the Conservation of Biological Diversity and the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. In 2001, Stockholm Convention on Persistent Organic Pollutants (POPs) agreed GEF as the interim financial mechanism for the implementation of the POPs program.
The GEF consists of an Assembly of all participating countries, and Council, Secretariat, a Scientific and Technical Advisory Panel, and three Implementing Agencies – UNDP, UNEP and the World Bank. Four Regional Development Banks (AfDB, AsDB, EBRD, and IDB) , FAO, UNIDO, and IFAD can access PDF-B resources under the expanded opportunities executing agencies. Further information, click on the "Partners and Links" section of the bar on the left side of this page.
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Partners and Links
The World Bank coordinates its GEF co-financed project activities with those of the other GEF Implementing Agencies, Executing Agencies, as well as with the GEF Secretariat, United Nations Conventions on global environmental issues, and other partners including bilateral development agencies, private sector entities, academic institutions, and nongovernmental organizations.
The World Bank continues to develop its information and knowledge resources on global environment issues including GEF focal area related themes, i.e., biodiversity, climate change, international waters, and ozone depletion. In particular, the World Bank site provides knowledge and information resources on:
Development Topics which provides a useful list of currently available related World Bank websites;
Development Education Program that provides tools and resources to help teachers and students, principally at the secondary school level, study -- think critically about -- the often complex social, economic, and environmental issues of sustainable development affecting their countries, their regions, and the world;
The Environment Learning Module currently focuses on "Access to Safe Water," while the next learning module will address "CO2 Emissions per Capita."
In addition, many of the Bank's partners have developed extremely useful sites that highlight the importance of the global environment. Links to these sites have been grouped according to GEF Focal Area. While these lists of internet resources are updated frequently, they are not intended to be comprehensive.
Implementing Agencies
The World Bank, UNDP and UNEP are the three Implementing Agencies of the GEF. Each Agency finances GEF activities within its respective areas of competence.
The World Bank's primary role is in ensuring the development and management of investment projects. The Bank draws upon its investment experience in eligible countries to promote investment opportunities and to mobilize private sector, bilateral, multilateral, and other government and non-government sector resources that are consistent with GEF objectives and national sustainable development strategies. International Finance Corporation (IFC), the Bank Group’s private sector arm, particularly focuses on mobilizing private sector resources.
The United Nations Development Programme's primary role is in ensuring the development and management of capacity building programs and technical assistance projects. Through its worldwide field office network, UNDP draws upon its expertise in institution strengthening, human resource development, non-governmental and community participation to assist countries in designing and implementing activities consistent with the purpose of the GEF. In addition, UNDP manages the Small Grants Programme on behalf of the GEF.
The United Nations Environment Programme's primary role is in catalyzing the development of scientific and technical analysis and advancing environmental management in GEF-financed activities. UNEP helps to relate GEF-financed activities to global, regional and national environmental assessments, policy frameworks and plans, and to international environmental agreements. UNEP is also responsible for supporting the Scientific and Technical Advisory Panel (STAP).
Other Agencies
The World Bank Group makes arrangements for GEF project preparation and execution by multilateral development banks, specialized agencies and programs of the United Nations, other international organizations, bilateral development agencies, national institutions, non-governmental organizations, private sector entities and academic institutions, taking into account their comparative advantages in efficient and cost-effective project execution.
GEF Council has approved expanded opportunities for the participation of four Regional Development Banks (AfDB, AsDB, EBRD, and IDB) and three UN Specialized Agencies (FAO, UNIDO and IFAD) in preparing and executing GEF projects, and their access to PDF-B resources.
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Paul Wolfowitz als president van de World Bank? Onze neocon die de Wolfowitz Doctrine schreef, meewerkte aan het document “The Project for the New American Century (PNAC)” en de invasie van Irak heeft voorbereid. Niks opmerkelijks hier…quote:World Bank environmental department absorbed into larger network
World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz has announced plans to combine the Environmentally and Socially Sustainable Development (ESSD) and Infrastructure (INF) networks into a new Sustainable Development network.
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Nu gaan ook grote bedrijven al overstappen van growth en development naar sustainable development?quote:The Hague Conference on Environment, Security and Sustainable Development (ESSD)
The Peace Palace, The Hague, The Netherlands
9 - 12 May 2004
Environmental Security in the 21st Century
From 9 to 12 May 2004, the IES led the organisation of The Hague Conference on Environment, Security and Sustainable Development held at the Peace Palace in The Netherlands. The comprehensive international conference was attended by 131 senior decision makers and representatives from governments, non governmental organisations, development institutions, the private sector, and academia, from 26 countries.
The ultimate objective of the conference and its follow-up is to promote more sustainable relationships between people, their environment and the natural resources they depend on for their well-being on the basis of precaution, equity, efficiency and choice. This will require building understanding of the relationship between environment and security, and how this relationship affects sustainable development.
The conference concluded with the Chairman's Summary: "Pathways to Environmental Security" which contains thematic recommendations in the fields of diplomacy, law and governance, finance, education and science as well as actor specific recommendations directed toward the EU Institutions and Member States, the United States Congress and Administration, and the United Nations System.
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Dit roept eigenlijk meer vragen op voor mij dan dat het beantwoord. Dus hier laat ik het bij wat betreft de bedrijven kant van de sustainable development.quote:World Business Council for Sustainable Development (WBCSD)
What is the role and mandate of the WBCSD?
We were set up in 1991 to get business involved in the Rio Earth Summit and have now grown into the leading advocate for sustainability in the business community.
We are a coalition of 180 international companies and campaign to promote the cause of sustainable development through economic growth, ecological balance and social progress.
How does the WBCSD define "sustainable development"?
We define sustainable development as forms of progress that meet the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their needs.
Given the scale of world poverty today, the challenge of meeting present needs is urgent. But we must look ahead and do our utmost to ensure that what we do today for our ever-growing population does not compromise the environmental, social and human needs of our descendants.
What is the business case for sustainable development?
Pursuing a mission of sustainable development can make our firms more competitive, more resilient to shocks, nimbler in a fast-changing world and more likely to attract and hold customers and the best employees. It can also make them more at ease with regulators, banks, insurers and financial markets.
Sustainable development policies will be profitable, but our rationale is not based solely on financial returns. Companies comprise, are led by, and serve people with vision and values. In the long-term, companies that do not reflect these people's best vision and values in their actions will wither in the marketplace.
What types of partnerships does the WBCSD engage in?
We work with a regional network of more than 30 partner organizations in all five continents, offering a valuable local perspective on the needs and concerns of different economies. These independent Business Councils for Sustainable Development (BCSDs) and partner organizations have a common commitment to providing business leadership for change toward sustainable development in their respective countries and regions.
We also cooperate with more than a dozen UN and independent organizations, such as the IUCN -World Conservation Union and the International Institute for Sustainable Development (IISD). The WBCSD is committed to the concept of private-public partnerships as an effective way of delivering sustainable services and employment.
Who are the members?
Our member-companies are drawn from more than 30 countries and 20 major industrial sectors. They include some of the world's biggest and most influential companies, such as AOL Time Warner, AT&T, Bayer, BP, Coca-Cola, Dow Chemical and Shell.
We also work with a global network of 30 national and regional business councils and partner organizations involving up to 1,000 business leaders worldwide.
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quote:Debt-for-nature swaps (DfNS)
Debt-for-nature swaps (DfNS) are a method by which debt owed by a developing country or commercial/private company debtor can be renegotiated with the creditor to fund biodiversity conservation. DfNS financial transactions occur when debt owed by a developing country government /bank(debtor), is exchanged with the creditor for financial payments made by the debtor country to conservation. These swaps (sometimes called conversions) can be done using either or bilateral or commercial debt. The payments generated by DfNS often finance local conservation trust funds, which disburse grants to specific projects or fund parks and protected areas. Trust Funds are best established as public-private entities that are privately controlled, and designed to ensure accountable, and transparent financial management and to provide long-term funding for conservation.
Since 1987, over US$1 billion in environmental funding has been generated through DfNS, benefiting conservation in nearly 30 countries. DfNS have been an important source of funding for over 30 conservation trust funds, many of which have made significant impacts in funding conservation in their own countries and worldwide as well as contributing to increased civil society and public sector interest in the environment.
Commercial banks initiated debt swaps in the late 1980's to reduce unpaid loans to developing country entities. The banks sometimes received partial repayment of a loan that might never be repaid, as well as potential for tax benefits and positive publicity from DfNS. Bilateral or government creditors have participated in DfNS since 1990 and governments now make up the majority of debt renegotiations. Bilateral creditors' and debtors often have multiple reasons for doing a swap, but many use the mechanism as a way of funding their environmental priorities more effectively and without additional traditional foreign aid disbursements. Creditor governments may also want to receive full or partial repayment of debtor country obligations.
Above all, DfNSs for conservation usually produce "win-win-win" solutions. First, the proceeds to conservation provide significant amounts of long term funding, often the most difficult to obtain, that can be used as matching funds for other donor sources and can attract (or leverage) more funds to what is paid from the swap. Second, debtors benefit from hard-to-get funds for protected areas as well as from the reduction or cancellation of their debt. Third, creditor countries are able to reduce old debt that might be politically or economically difficult to collect and both creditors and debtors may receive positive political benefits from the transaction, in excess of the actual swap cost.
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quote:Debt for Nature Swap
Debt for nature swaps are designed to relieve developing countries of two devastating problems: spiraling debt burdens and environmental degradation. In a debt for nature swap, developing country debt held by a private bank is sold at a substantial discount on the secondary debt market to an environmental nongovernmental organization (NGO). The NGO cancels the debt if the debtor country agrees to implement a particular environmental protection or conservation project. The arrangement benefits all parties involved in the transaction. The debtor country decreases a debt burden that may cripple its ability to make internal investments and generate economic growth. Debt for nature swaps may also be seen as a good alternative to defaulting on loans, which hurts the country's chances of receiving necessary loans in the future. In addition, the country enjoys the benefits of curbing environmental degradation. The creditor (bank) decreases its holdings of potentially bad debt, which may have to be written off at a loss. The NGO experiences global environmental improvement.
Debt for nature swaps were first suggested by Thomas Lovejoy in 1984. Swaps have taken place between Bolivia, Costa Rica, and Ecuador and NGOs in the United States. The first debt for nature swap was implemented in Bolivia in 1987. Conservation International, an American NGO, purchased $650,000 of Bolivia's foreign debt from a private bank in the United States at a discounted price of $100,000. The NGO then swapped the face value of the debt with the Bolivian government for "conservation payments-in-kind," which involved a conservation program in a 3.7 million acre (1.5 million ha) tropical forest region implemented by the government and a local NGO.
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Meer informatie over de debt for nature swaps.quote:Debt for Nature Scheme
There has also been afoot for some time the "debt-for-nature" scheme proposed at the 4th World Wilderness Conference held in Denver, Colorado in 1987 of forcing nations to transfer national parks and undeveloped areas (up to 30% of the world's wilderness - 12 billion acres) to a World Wilderness Trust or similar U.N. agencies (and thereby effectively losing sovereignty over part of their national territory) which would function as a collection agent for the IMF, the World Bank and private banks.
It would operate as follows:
1. Creditor banks transfer 3rd world debt to the World Conservation Bank (a new bank with a "soft" name) thereby relieving the debtor nations of their debt to the original banks;
2. at full book value (even though these loans now have market values as low as 6-25 cents on the dollar and cost the banks nothing to create due to fractional reserve banking - the legally required reserve ratio on such loans being typically 0%);
3. in return for such debt relief, the debtor nations would transfer to the World Wilderness Trust natural resource assets of equivalent value (World Heritage sites such as the Amazon basin or the gold-laden hills around Yellowstone will likely be included at some point);
4. The World Wilderness Trust will eventually allow development by the World Conservation Bank in order to pay the private banks full value for the transferred debts.
Obviously, this scheme, which is already being implemented in Bolivia, Costa Rica and Ecuador, simply interposes a new bank to act in the name of the international community (or the U.N.) as collection agent for the private banks and their jointly run banks (e.g. the IMF and the World Bank), thereby obscuring the stark reality of de facto foreclosure proceedings by private banks against whole national territories.
This transforms a politically unpalatable worldwide land grab by private banks into a "conservation transfer" to a body that appears to be a neutral conservation agency of some kind.
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De rest van de artikelen op de webpagina zijn ook vrij interessant Billions for the Bankers - Debts for the People.
Ja ik heb er zelf ook moeite mee, omdat ik behalve op dit gebied ook erg veel bezig ben met mijn eigen ontwikkeling en daarbij kom ik veelvuldig in aanraking met bv boeddhisme. Hoe ik illusie en dit kan samenkoppelen, weet ik nog niet. Maar dat is offtopicquote:Het verhaal van George Hunt lijkt grotendeels wel te kloppen. Ik heb alleen moeite met zijn interpretatie over het opzetten van een New World Order. Alles lijkt erop te duiden dat dit inderdaad staat te gebeuren en dat er achter de schermen gewerkt wordt aan een nieuwe wereld orde, maar hoe meer informatie ik tot mij neem en hoe overtuigender het bewijs, hoe meer ik kritisch word en het niet aanneem en als inconclusive afwimpel.
hmm... in principe heb ik er geen problemen mee dat dit verder gedistribueerd wordt, het staat immers op een openbaar forum. Ik wil hier wel bij wel aangeven dat dit in een vrij korte tijd getypt is en niet alles even goed is nagezocht. Met andere woorden, dit is bij lange na niet goed genoeg om te publiceren en dat is ook mijn intentie niet. Ook wil ik het stukje over de World Conservation Bank nog updaten (links fixxen) maar dat laat het forum niet toe op dit moment.quote:Op dinsdag 11 juli 2006 21:45 schreef Boswachtertje het volgende:
Maak hier echt een pdf van! Zeer belangrijk voor een goede distributie van ECHTE informatie!
Herkenbaar dit... te ongelooflijk maar waar..
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Ja ik heb er zelf ook moeite mee, omdat ik behalve op dit gebied ook erg veel bezig ben met mijn eigen ontwikkeling en daarbij kom ik veelvuldig in aanraking met bv boeddhisme. Hoe ik illusie en dit kan samenkoppelen, weet ik nog niet. Maar dat is offtopic
Ontopic:
ik heb even alle info van Open Your Mind in een pdf gezet, om het zo wat makkelijker na te lezen te maken..:
Download hier PDF versie text OpenYourMind
Mvg
Boswachtertje
Dat er velen mogen ontwaken uit hun nachtmerrie!
Was gisteren even vlug.. had niet zo veel tijd, maar vond wel dat ik dit even kon doen.. dit soort info - zo goed uitgezocht en zo diep op de materie ingaande - moet gewoon algemeen beschikbaar zijn. Mensen moeten zelf hun conclusies trekken, maar ze dienen wel alle bronnen serieus te nemen..quote:Op woensdag 12 juli 2006 13:59 schreef OpenYourMind het volgende:
Ik heb de posts geupdate, links gefixxed, etc...
er zitten nog wel wat spelfouten en zinsbouwfouten in maarja het zij zo.
ps: Het artikel van merovingian. , het interview met George Hunt en de videoboodschap horen er ook bij als primaire bronnen.
Moet je even de videogoogle film van George Hunt kijken, daar gaat het nou juist omquote:Op woensdag 12 juli 2006 21:58 schreef gorgg het volgende:
Er staat hierboven een enorm lang stuk over die 'World Conservation Bank'. Dat zou dan de Global Environment Facility moeten zijn.
Deze geeft subsidies (geen leningen dus) aan projecten in derde wereldlanden die aan bepaalde doelstellingen voldoen. Het geld komt direct van de voornamelijk westerse landen. Deze krijgen hier niets voor terug.
Waar zit het probleem hem? En wat hebben de 'internationale bankiers' (wat een term) hiermee van doen?
De GEF is tot nu toe een mildere versie dan wat er in de video van George Hunt besproken wordt. De debt for nature swaps zijn voor zover ik het nu kan zien geen eigendomsoverdracht van natuurgebieden in ruil voor kwijtschelding van schuld, maar een vorm om schuld te reduceren en tegelijkertijd 30% van de orginele schuld door het land met de schuld te laten investeren in conservatieprojecten.quote:Op woensdag 12 juli 2006 21:58 schreef gorgg het volgende:
Er staat hierboven een enorm lang stuk over die 'World Conservation Bank'. Dat zou dan de Global Environment Facility moeten zijn.
Deze geeft subsidies (geen leningen dus) aan projecten in derde wereldlanden die aan bepaalde doelstellingen voldoen. Het geld komt direct van de voornamelijk westerse landen. Deze krijgen hier niets voor terug.
Waar zit het probleem hem? En wat hebben de 'internationale bankiers' (wat een term) hiermee van doen?
Hoe moet ik dit interpreteren? Een bank drukt volgens jou op een knopje en er verschijnt 100 miljard op hun rekening zonder enig probleem of verplichting?quote:Op woensdag 12 juli 2006 23:49 schreef OpenYourMind het volgende:
1. De bank heeft het geld uit het niets gecreerd en doet het zo opnieuw.
Ik zie inderdaad geen probleem met debt for nature swaps. Overschat je hun waarde trouwens niet? In een link van je staat dat er tot nu toe in totaal ongeveer 1 miljard in omgegaan is. Dat is toch relatief gezien erg weinig?quote:Wat is het probleem dan zul je zeggen?
Op het eerste oog is er geen probleem en lijkt dit voor alle partijen een win win situatie. Als je echter kijkt hoe de derde wereld landen zover in de schulden zijn gekomen en welke organisaties en personen erachter zitten lijkt het toch enigzins wat sinister.
We kunnen echter niet voor altijd de derde wereld landen onder de duim houden en zelf blijven groeien. Dit is slechts uitstel van executie. De huidige levenstijl van het westen vraagt veel meer resources dan wat onze planeet aan kan. Plus de schulden in het westen lopen ook op en ons economische systeem gebasseerd op schuld zal eens barsten. Mijn insteek hierop is dat de GEF, World Bank of whatever dan ineens tevoorschijn komt en massaal de wereld opkoopt en een nieuw geldsysteem invoert.
Dit is inderdaad een schijntje van de totale schulden. Het gaat er echter om dat het begin van het systeem is opgezet.quote:Op donderdag 13 juli 2006 02:18 schreef gorgg het volgende:
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Hoe moet ik dit interpreteren? Een bank drukt volgens jou op een knopje en er verschijnt 100 miljard op hun rekening zonder enig probleem of verplichting?
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Ik zie inderdaad geen probleem met debt for nature swaps. Overschat je hun waarde trouwens niet? In een link van je staat dat er tot nu toe in totaal ongeveer 1 miljard in omgegaan is. Dat is toch relatief gezien erg weinig?
Wat die NGO's doen is imo ook lovenswaardig. Ze kunnen gewoon hun geld op deze manier efficienter inzetten.
Hoe kan je geld beter investeren dan door middel van schulden landen aan je te onderwerpen? Je weet dat deze leningen niet zonder consequenties zijn, toch? Hieraan zijn strikte economische voorwaarden gebonden. Als je dus als elite/internationale banken meer geld ter beschikking hebt dan je ooit zou kunnen opmaken en door middel van economische trucs geld makkelijk kan vermenigvuldigen rest er niks anders dan dit te gebruiken voor het aanwenden van meer controle en meer macht.quote:De wereld opkopen? Het GEF geeft enkel subsidies + gratis informatie en vraagt daar niks voor terug. Hoe kun je dat in hemelsnaam opkopen noemen?
De wereld bank verleent leningen aan arme landen onder de marktprijs (omdat deze landen te onbetrouwbaar zijn, en er dus veel risico mee verbonden zijn, zouden commerciële banken erg hoge rentevoeten vragen). Niets verplicht deze landen deze leningen aan te gaan. Ze geven ook subsidies aan de armste landen. Vreemde tactiek als je doel is om de wereld 'op te kopen'. Ze zouden er voor hetzelfde geld veel meer mee kunnen doen als dat hun doelstelling was.
Begin? Het systeem bestaat al 20 jaar. En het wordt volgens mij tegenwoordg zelfs een stuk minder toegepast dan in de beginjaren.quote:Op donderdag 13 juli 2006 03:10 schreef OpenYourMind het volgende:
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Dit is inderdaad een schijntje van de totale schulden. Het gaat er echter om dat het begin van het systeem is opgezet.
Als je als internationale instelling een lening onder de marktprijs aanbiedt, is er idd. ruimte om voorwaarden te stellen. Toch ook logisch? Arme landen hebben nu niet echt de reputatie dit geld zeker te zullen terug betalen, en het verdwijnt vaak in iemands zakken daar. Dat ze dan voorwaarden als meer democratie + vrijere economie stellen is imo enkel maar logisch en goed.quote:[..]
Hoe kan je geld beter investeren dan door middel van schulden landen aan je te onderwerpen? Je weet dat deze leningen niet zonder consequenties zijn, toch? Hieraan zijn strikte economische voorwaarden gebonden.
De elite heeft niet onbeperkt geld. Zulke economische trucs bestaan niet. Dat banken geld uit het niets kunnen fabriceren is een slecht fabeltje.quote:Als je dus als elite/internationale banken meer geld ter beschikking hebt dan je ooit zou kunnen opmaken en door middel van economische trucs geld makkelijk kan vermenigvuldigen rest er niks anders dan dit te gebruiken voor het aanwenden van meer controle en meer macht.
Gekeken. En ik moet zeggen dat ik verre van onder de indruk ben. De bewijzen die hij aanvoert zijn zowat onbestaande. De aanwezigheid van die personen is logisch. Van zijn doemscenario's is 15 jaar later niets te merken. Over hemzelf is ook zowat niks terug te vinden.quote:Voor de details van de claims van George Hunt zal je toch echt http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6642758020554799808&q=george+hunt moeten bekijken.
Als ik 100 miljoen perfect namaak en op de bank zet, zal de bank dit niet enkel in een kluis stoppen. Dat klopt idd. Aangezien de kans klein is dat ik dit bedrag morgen in een keer opneem en ze het risico kunnen spreiden (ze hebben erg veel klanten), zullen ze dit geld gebruiken om winst mee te maken. Hierdoor krijg ik ook een kleine rente om aan hen het geld beschikbaar te stellen.quote:Op donderdag 13 juli 2006 14:14 schreef OpenYourMind het volgende:
Banken kunnen wel degelijk geld creeeren, niet totaal uit het niets natuurlijk, maar aan de hand van kapitaal dat ze al hebben. Ze hoeven slechts 10% en in sommige gevallen zelfs 0% aan kapitaal achter de hand te hebben om een nieuwe lening uit te geven. Op deze manier wordt er dus geld gecreeerd zonder dat het volledige bedrag gedekt wordt.
Het veilige % hangt af van het vermogen van het land om dit in de toekomst te kunnen bekostigen. In een erg snel groeiend land kan dit behoorlijk hoog zijn. Percentages tot 120-150% kunnen in bepaalde gevallen ook nog enigzins acceptabel zijn. Al is zo'n situatie meestal beter te vermijden uiteraard.quote:De staatsschuld van een land valt onder te verdelen in interne en externe schuld. Bij interne schuld gaat het om leningen in het land zelf en bij externe schuld gaat het om schuld aan buitenlandse investeerders. Wanneer de schuld afkomstig is van commerciele banken wordt deze in de vorm van een lening of staatsobligaties uitgegeven. Het principe is echter het zelfde, door middel van fractional reserve banking leent een bank meer geld uit dan dat het werkelijk op voorraad heeft.
De totale staatsschuld van een land wordt veilig gezien als het onder een bepaald percentage van het bruto nationale product blijft (ik meen dat het 60% is). Aangezien overheden zelden de staatschuld aflossen blijft deze staatsschuld stijgen en wordt de rentedruk vergroot. De lening wordt hoger en er moet een steeds groter bedrag aan rente betaald worden elk jaar. Zolang de staatsschuld dus onder een bepaald percentage van het BNP blijft wordt dit niet als een probleem gezien.
Mja, hier is weinig op te zeggen.quote:Het gevaar hierbij is echter dat men veronderstelt dat er altijd economische groei plaats vind. Het hele systeem is afhankelijk van de economische groei. Dit betekent dat er oneindige exponentiele groei verwacht wordt. Dit zou alleen een econoom kunnen bedenken. Iedereen kan begrijpen dat groei nooit oneindig kan door gaan. Gek genoeg gelooft heel de wereld heilig in dit systeem. In de komende 5-15 jaar zullen we gaan meemaken hoe eindig deze groei wel niet is. De wereld is namelijk niet oneindig, de grondstoffen zijn namelijk niet eindig, en hoe met hoe meer mensen wij op deze planeet rond lopen en hoe harder wij de resources van onze planeet opmaken hoe harder wij tegen die muur gaan oplopen. Infinite growth is a myth!!!
Ik denk persoonlijk dat hij er mijlenver langzit en dat zijn beweringen op weinig concreets zijn gebaseerd.quote:Deze landen gaan failliet en de elite die al het goud, zilver, geld, land, etc... hebben zullen tevoorschijn komen en de wereld opkopen. De UN grijpt in en de basis voor een wereldregering is opgezet. Dit lijkt misschien ver gezocht maar dit is wat George Hunt aangeeft in zijn videoboodschap. En persoonlijk denk ik dat hij er niet al te ver naast zit.
Deze 90 miljoen gaat daarna van hand tot hand en beland op verschillende rekeningen bij verschilldende banken die elk over het gestorte bedrag weer 10% in reserve nemen. Deze initiele 100 miljoen leidt uiteindelijk dus wel naar de creatie van 1.000 miljoen.quote:Op donderdag 13 juli 2006 18:45 schreef gorgg het volgende:
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Als ik 100 miljoen perfect namaak en op de bank zet, zal de bank dit niet enkel in een kluis stoppen. Dat klopt idd. Aangezien de kans klein is dat ik dit bedrag morgen in een keer opneem en ze het risico kunnen spreiden (ze hebben erg veel klanten), zullen ze dit geld gebruiken om winst mee te maken. Hierdoor krijg ik ook een kleine rente om aan hen het geld beschikbaar te stellen.
Hoeveel van deze 100 miljoen kunnen ze uitlenen? Hangt van de omstandigheden af natuurlijk maar als je met de gebruikelijke 10% reserve rekent, is dat dus zo'n 90 miljoen. (En dus niet 1.000 miljoen zoals wel eens op sommige sites te lezen valt.)
Ik schuif hier niet de staatsschuld in de schoenen van de commerciele banken, zij zijn echter wel degelijk mede verantwoordelijk voor het systeem en het oplopen van de schuld. Ik ken deze tegenargumenten en zoals jij het ziet wordt het ook over het algemeen gebracht. Ik ben me er ook van bewust dat mijn theorie hier niet voldoende bewezen is en nader onderzoek vereist.quote:Zinnen als "1. De bank heeft het geld uit het niets gecreerd en doet het zo opnieuw." zijn imo onzin. Als iemand de lening niet kan terugbetalen moet ik nog steeds mijn 100 miljoen kunnen krijgen, het risico is aan de zijde van de bank. Het lijdt dus in zo'n geval zuiver verlies. Bij uitvoering van zo'n debt-for-nature swap is de bank dus eigenlijk de gedupeerde. Ze krijgen niet al hun geld terug, maar moeten wel nog steeds aan al hun verplichtingen voldoen.
Hebben ze het geld gecreëerd? Imo niet, het gaat om een doorschuiving van geld van mensen die dit op het ogenblik niet nodig hebben naar mensen die het wel kunnen gebruiken.
Een goed mechanisme dus dat ervoor zorgt dat mensen kunnen lenen. Zonder fractional banking is dat zo goed als onmogelijk.
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Het veilige % hangt af van het vermogen van het land om dit in de toekomst te kunnen bekostigen. In een erg snel groeiend land kan dit behoorlijk hoog zijn. Percentages tot 120-150% kunnen in bepaalde gevallen ook nog enigzins acceptabel zijn. Al is zo'n situatie meestal beter te vermijden uiteraard.
Landen hebben zelf de keuze om al dan niet een begrotingstekort te hebben. Daar hebben banken niets mee te maken. Als de landen betrouwbaar zijn, kunnen ze het best de begrotingsschuld financieren door dit rechtstreeks aan het publiek aan te bieden in de vorm van bv. obligaties. Commerciële banken kopen overigens zo goed als geen obligaties. Ze kunnen voldoende diversifiëren (met leningen bv.) om een hoger rendement te halen. Obligaties geven traditioneel de laagste %. Ze zijn dan ook vooral in het bezit van particulieren, beleggers, pensioenfondsen en bedrijven met een tijdelijk kasoverschot. Vraag en aanbod bepaald de rente op deze obligaties. De staatsschuld in de schoenen van commerciële banken schuiven duidt imo op een gebrekkige kennis ivm deze materie.
Vandaag de dag bereikte de olieprijs een nieuw all time high van boven de 76 Dollar. Sommige grondstofprijzen mogen dan lager zijn dan een aantal decennia geleden, maar de belangrijkste grondstoffen die de drijfveer vormen voor de huidige economie zijn dat niet.quote:Mja, hier is weinig op te zeggen.
Zolang er technologische vooruitgang is, procedures en werkmethodes verbeteren, meer kennis beschikbaar is, ...... zal er op LT groei zijn. Dat zal nog wel een heel tijdje duren. De grondstoffen zijn helemaal niet zo'n probleem, de prijzen daarvan zijn behoorlijk laag in vergelijking met decennia geleden.
Ik had niet anders verwacht. Bedankt voor jou goed beargumenteerde reacties. Ik zal eens kijken of ik later nog wat dieper op het staatsschuld en internationale bankiers verhaal in kan gaan en daar ook goede bronnen voor kan vinden aangezien dit de zwakke schakel is in het verhaal.quote:Ik denk persoonlijk dat hij er mijlenver langzit en dat zijn beweringen op weinig concreets zijn gebaseerd.
Klopt ja. De bank heeft uiteindelijk 100 miljoen in reserve, 900 miljoen uitgeleend en de betrokkenen hebben 1.000 miljoen op de bank staan. Heeft de bank dit geld uit het niets gecreëerd? Mi niet.quote:Op donderdag 13 juli 2006 19:37 schreef OpenYourMind het volgende:
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Deze 90 miljoen gaat daarna van hand tot hand en beland op verschillende rekeningen bij verschilldende banken die elk over het gestorte bedrag weer 10% in reserve nemen. Deze initiele 100 miljoen leidt uiteindelijk dus wel naar de creatie van 1.000 miljoen.
Storting bank A 100 miljoen. Bank A leent 90 miljoen uit aan klant B en houdt 10 miljoen als reserve. Klant B betaald klant C 90 miljoen. Klant C stort dit bedrag bij bank A. Bank A heeft dan 10 miljoen reserve, 90 miljoen aan uitstaande lening en een storting van 90 miljoen. Bank A heeft weer 81 miljoen uit te lenen en 9 miljoen aan reserve. Dit maakt het totaal bedrag dat de bank uitgeleend heeft 171 miljoen en de reserves 19 miljoen. Herhaal dit proces een paar keer en voeg wat banken en klanten toe maar het proces blijft hetzelfde.
Bij het uitkeren van een lening wordt ermee rekening gehouden dat deze lening niet terugbetaald kan worden. Ze proberen dit natuurlijk te beperken. (Daarom dat je al die vragen moet beantwoorden bij het aanvragen van een lening, dan kunnen ze data minen en het risico inschatten). Is de kans dat er niet terugbetaald wordt groot, dan zal er ook een hogere rente gevraagd worden. De winst hangt dan af of het gepercipieerde risico hoger of lager dan het werkelijke risico lag. Ik denk persoonlijk dat dit risico bij derde wereldlanden een stuk hoger lag dan wat vroeger werd waargenomen (gegeven de enorme bedragen die nooit werden terugbetaald). En dat de (weinige) commerciële instellingen die leningen aan deze landen hebben gegeven hier dus verlies op hebben geleden. Maar dat baseer ik eigenlijk op weinig feiten dus het kan goed zijn dat dit fout is.quote:Ik heb nog 1 tegenvraag over de debt voor nature swap.
Waarom zou een bank 80% van de lening in rook op zien gaan en hoe kan deze dit verantwoorden aan de aandeelhouders? Ze doen iets voor het goede doel? Het geld zien ze anders toch niet terug? Deze antwoorden zijn voor mij niet afdoende... Als ik als particulier niet genoeg geld heb om een lening terug te betalen beginnen ze mijn eigendommen te verkopen. Wat let de banken om dit bij de overheden te doen? Kortom wat wint een bank bij deze deal? Waarom zouden ze er uberhaupt aan mee werken?
Bwa, zo'n enorm probleem is dat niet hoor. De wereldeconomie kan probleemloos met deze olieprijs verder groeien. Ik denk dat hij binnen een paar jaar weer wat lager als de huidige prijs staat als is dat imo afhankelijk van de internationale gebeurtenissen. Investeringen in deze sector duren erg lang om operationeel te worden en de prijs wordt niet zozeer opgedreven door een gebrekkig aanbod maar eerder door de situatie in het MO + Z-amerika.quote:[..]
Vandaag de dag bereikte de olieprijs een nieuw all time high van boven de 76 Dollar. Sommige grondstofprijzen mogen dan lager zijn dan een aantal decennia geleden, maar de belangrijkste grondstoffen die de drijfveer vormen voor de huidige economie zijn dat niet.
Ik denk dat er een enorme druk uitgeoefend kan worden als we massaal staken en dan het liefst in europa. Ik denk dat max. 2 dagen al voldoende is om als volk bepaalde eisen te gaan stellen.quote:Op woensdag 19 juli 2006 12:52 schreef huupia34 het volgende:
open your mind , heeft gelijk met dat banksysteem. ik heb er ook een docu over gezien over de federal reserve.
we kunnen het systeem morgen laten klappen als we willen.
hoe?
iedereen gaat morgen naar zijn bank om al zen geld op te nemen . grote problemen voor de banken , want ze hebben ze het namelijk niet
al het gestorte geld is inmiddels een factor 10 gestegen, en weer uitgeleend, het is allemaal gebakken lucht en inderdaad zal het een keer klappen.
zelfs rtl z reporter willem middelkoop gelooft dit.
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