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Nee hoor alles in de juiste proporties blijven zien...quote:Op woensdag 19 oktober 2005 10:29 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Ik ook niet, uiteraard weet hij alles af van deze zaak, die groter is dan Watergate of Iran-Contra, maar ik zie 'm nog niet zo snel aftreden.
En hier gaat het slechts om het loslippig gedrag van een aantal diecte staf medewerkers (als onderdeel van een groter plan). Met of zonder die CIA agente was die oorlog in Irak er toch gekomen.
Wel een gevoelig onderwerp... maar ik kan me 1001 Amerikaanse beerputten voor de geest halen die veel harder stonken.
Het betreft niet slechts loslippigheid, het betreft tevens een doofpot-affaire, en dat is het ergste van dit verhaal, en dat is waar vermoedelijk de focus ligt van Fitzgerald.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Als die oorlog in Irak na 2 jr afgelopen was, met een overdracht aan de Iraakse (pro VS) regering was deze affaire nooit van de grond gekomen. Maar omdat de geweldsspiraal niet oplost krijgen dergelijk soort akkefietjes een voedingsbodem met steeds grotere tentakels.
Ik vraag me alleen af wat er nog meer onder de grond beweegt , (we zien slechts een tipje van de sluier) ?
Ik vraag me alleen af wat er nog meer onder de grond beweegt , (we zien slechts een tipje van de sluier) ?
Tsja, dat vraag ik me dus ook al enige tijd af.
We hebben nu een aantal zaken lopen in de VS die zeer nadelige gevolgen kunnen hebben voor de regering Bush:
1. Plamegate / Rovegate
2. Able Danger
3. Tom DeLay
En daarbij dat naaste medewerkers van Bush nu in de openbaarheid treden met verhalen over de huidige mental state van Bush, dat hij gestressed is, bitter overkomt, last heeft van mood swings, etc., Fox News en MSNBC berichten hier nu over, hoor ik net.
Zeer interessant allemaal, maar wat er achter steekt?
Of het allemaal doorgestoken kaart is weet ik niet, hidden agenda's? Misschien. Maar misschien is dit wel gewoon het recht dat zege viert, what you give is what you get, karma being played out, of hoe je dat ook wilt noemen, wie zal het zeggen?
We zullen het merken, deze week.
We hebben nu een aantal zaken lopen in de VS die zeer nadelige gevolgen kunnen hebben voor de regering Bush:
1. Plamegate / Rovegate
2. Able Danger
3. Tom DeLay
En daarbij dat naaste medewerkers van Bush nu in de openbaarheid treden met verhalen over de huidige mental state van Bush, dat hij gestressed is, bitter overkomt, last heeft van mood swings, etc., Fox News en MSNBC berichten hier nu over, hoor ik net.
Zeer interessant allemaal, maar wat er achter steekt?
Of het allemaal doorgestoken kaart is weet ik niet, hidden agenda's? Misschien. Maar misschien is dit wel gewoon het recht dat zege viert, what you give is what you get, karma being played out, of hoe je dat ook wilt noemen, wie zal het zeggen?
We zullen het merken, deze week.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Clinton had er ook een paar, maar die hebben hem niet echt geraakt.... Iedereen wilde dat hij zijn ambtstermijn vol kon maken. G.W.Bush is bij lange-na niet zo populair als zij charismatische voorganger en onder een vergrootglas maken ze allemaal fouten.
Absoluut, maar fouten maken is dan ook minder erg dan het maken van fouten verdoezelen in plaats van ze zo snel mogelijk te corrigeren, en om dat verdoezelen van het maken van fouten gaat het in zaak 1 en zaak 2.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Het is een onderdeel, zoals je inderdaad zegt, van dat grotere plan: het fabriceren van een aanvalsoorlog tegen Irak. Dat is inderdaad erger dat WaterGate of Iran-Contra. Daarnaast heeft het contraproductief gewerkt in de strijd tegen terreur en massavernietigingswapens en heeft men mensenlevens geriskeerd. Deze zaak ís erger.quote:Op maandag 24 oktober 2005 23:36 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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En hier gaat het slechts om het loslippig gedrag van een aantal diecte staf medewerkers (als onderdeel van een groter plan). Met of zonder die CIA agente was die oorlog in Irak er toch gekomen.
Ach... het inzetten van 'Agent Orange' ten tijde van Vietnam (wat in feite puur dioxine was) was ook erg gevaarlijk voor die mensen die het gebruikten/toepasten. Over bewust mensen in gevaar brengen gesproken. En wie hoor je daar nog over ?!?..... het is inmiddels is dat een voetnoot geworden van de oorlog tegen N-Vietnam.quote:Op dinsdag 25 oktober 2005 23:51 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Het is een onderdeel, zoals je inderdaad zegt, van dat grotere plan: het fabriceren van een aanvalsoorlog tegen Irak. Dat is inderdaad erger dat WaterGate of Iran-Contra. Daarnaast heeft het contraproductief gewerkt in de strijd tegen terreur en massavernietigingswapens en heeft men mensenlevens geriskeerd. Deze zaak ís erger.
hear hear of gewoon over de atoom proeven een decennia ervoor met eigen troepen in de loopgraven om te kijken wat er zou gebeuren.quote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 00:25 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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Ach... het inzetten van 'Agent Orange' ten tijde van Vietnam (wat in feite puur dioxine was) was ook erg gevaarlijk voor die mensen die het gebruikten/toepasten. Over bewust mensen in gevaar brengen gesproken. En wie hoor je daar nog over ?!?..... het is inmiddels is dat een voetnoot geworden van de oorlog tegen N-Vietnam.
Het is gewoon een spel en verder doet het er niet toe alleen voor Cheney en zijn vriendjes en voor mij maakt het niet uit wie of wat het was toch gebeurt. Het is al een jaar of 2000 oud "als het troebel wordt zuiver je het". "if your not with us your against us" en hoe slecht het ook klinkt Cheney kicken is the right thing to do. Al is het maar om muurtje te kunnen bouwen....
Success, recognition, and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Juist dat was beerput no : 913quote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 00:35 schreef Cappy het volgende:
hear hear of gewoon over de atoom proeven een decennia ervoor met eigen troepen in de loopgraven om te kijken wat er zou gebeuren.
Nucleaire proeven op wilsombekwamen (gehandicapten - jaren '50) is ook zo'n leuk voorbeeld.
De vraag is uiteindelijk van wat heeft het gekost en ten bate van wat ?.... en de rekening in Irak loopt nog.
Als ik zo droog mag zijn : geen overwinning in korea en geen overwinning in Vietnam omdat men doorhad wat de uitslag zou kunnen zijn. Of wat wat meer zouden kunnen begrijpen de politieke "Fallout"quote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 00:50 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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Juist dat was beerput no : 913
Nucleaire proeven op wilsombekwamen (gehandicapten - jaren '50) is ook zo'n leuk voorbeeld.
De vraag is uiteindelijk van wat heeft het gekost en ten bate van wat ?.... en de rekening in Irak loopt nog.
Success, recognition, and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Wel een overwinning tegen het communisme, omdat de wapenwedloop financieel (USSR, China) niet te volgen was. En ZO-Azie is niet onder de voet gelopen werd door het klassieke communistische gedachtengoed (domino effect, Ike Eisenhower). Heel bot gezegd, hebben ze tijd gekocht, zonder een klinkende overwinning.quote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 00:55 schreef Cappy het volgende:
Als ik zo droog mag zijn : geen overwinning in korea en geen overwinning in Vietnam omdat men doorhad wat de uitslag zou kunnen zijn. Of wat wat meer zouden kunnen begrijpen de politieke "Fallout"
Of we die gewonnen tijd (anno - 2005) goed hebben besteed is een open vraag.Omdat China weer lonkt... maar dan vanuit een andere economische strategie gezien.
Geheel mee eensquote:Op woensdag 26 oktober 2005 01:05 schreef Drugshond het volgende:
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Wel een overwinning tegen het communisme, omdat de wapenwedloop financieel (USSR, China) niet te volgen was. En ZO-Azie is niet onder de voet gelopen werd door het klassieke communistische gedachtengoed (domino effect, Ike Eisenhower). Heel bot gezegd, hebben ze tijd gekocht, zonder een klinkende overwinning.
Of we die gewonnen tijd (anno - 2005) goed hebben besteed is een open vraag.Omdat China weer lonkt... maar dan vanuit een andere economische strategie gezien.
Er zijn mensen die zeggen dat bij 2015 ~2020 dat china de Man is. Eerlijk gezegt ben ik er wel een beetje bang van om het zo te benoemen, maar volgens mij gaan we heel erg ver off hier, maar zoals zoveel dingen het hangt samen. Ik kijk niet graag naar Cheney of Bush ik ben meer benieuwd hoe opvolgers de Chinese bedreiging gaan benoemen en behandelen.Korea en Taiwan liggen in het verschiet.in combo met Iraq etc etc wordt dit een uitdaging waarbij US -> Europa ergens klaar voor gaat maken.... and in all fairness I dont want to be present at that time....
Success, recognition, and conformity are the bywords of the modern world where everyone seems to crave the anesthetizing security of being identified with the majority.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength to Love, 1963.
En toen kwam dit ook nog eens boven water drijven:
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Report: Cheney withheld info from Senate
WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 (UPI) -- Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff withheld documents from a Senate committee looking into intelligence on Iraq, the National Journal reported.
The documents included drafts of portions of a speech Colin Powell, then secretary of state, gave at the United Nations in February 2003, the newspaper said. The portions were written by I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.
The Senate Intelligence Committee held hearings on the actions of intelligence agencies during the preparation for the 2003 invasion of Iraq but did not investigate questions concerning how the administration used the intelligence to build public support for the war.
The committee also sought information from the president's daily briefing in the period before the invasion. A former senior administration official told the National Journal the decision to withhold the documents was at least partly political.
"Nobody wants something like this dissected or coming out in an election year," the former official said.
The disclosure comes at a time when Libby and President Bush's top political adviser Karl Rove face possible prosecution in connection with the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
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Report: Cheney withheld info from Senate
WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 (UPI) -- Vice President Dick Cheney and his chief of staff withheld documents from a Senate committee looking into intelligence on Iraq, the National Journal reported.
The documents included drafts of portions of a speech Colin Powell, then secretary of state, gave at the United Nations in February 2003, the newspaper said. The portions were written by I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's chief of staff.
The Senate Intelligence Committee held hearings on the actions of intelligence agencies during the preparation for the 2003 invasion of Iraq but did not investigate questions concerning how the administration used the intelligence to build public support for the war.
The committee also sought information from the president's daily briefing in the period before the invasion. A former senior administration official told the National Journal the decision to withhold the documents was at least partly political.
"Nobody wants something like this dissected or coming out in an election year," the former official said.
The disclosure comes at a time when Libby and President Bush's top political adviser Karl Rove face possible prosecution in connection with the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Gejat van: [POL SC-744] Every 1's A Winnerquote:he allegation that Zarqawi had visited Baghdad in May 2002 with Saddam's sanction-purportedly for medical treatment-was once a centerpiece of the administration's arguments about Iraq. Secretary of State Colin Powell cited Zarqawi's alleged visit in his speech to the United Nations Security Council. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld referred obliquely to Zarqawi's purported trip as an example of "bulletproof" evidence that the administration had assembled linking Saddam's regime with Al Qaeda.
But like the uranium yellowcake claims-since determined to be fraudulent-that are at the heart of the CIA leak case, the administration's original allegations about Zarqawi's trip also seem to be melting away. An updated CIA re-examination of the issue recently concluded that Saddam's regime may not have given Zarqawi "safe haven" after all.
The CIA declined to comment on the draft report. But officials tell NEWSWEEK that Zarqawi probably did travel to the Iraqi capital in the spring of 2002 for medical treatment. And, of course, there is no question that he is in Iraq now-orchestrating many of the deadly suicide bombings and attacks on American soldiers.
But before the American-led invasion, Saddam's government may never have known he was there. The reason: he used an alias and was there under what one U.S. intelligence official calls a "false cover." No evidence has been found showing senior Iraqi officials were even aware of his presence, according to two counterterrorism analysts familiar with the classified CIA study who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter.
Die het van deze heeft.
Zoals hij ook zei, opmerkelijk!
Bovenstaande tekst = C C 3.0 NL BY-NC-ND - quotes inkorten uitgezonderd.
It's falling apart, crumbling down, we merken vandaag hoe sterk (of perfide) 't regime in de VS werkelijk is.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Reuters is iets minder optimistisch, wat Rove betreft dan:
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White House braces for likely charges over CIA leak
By Adam Entous
WASHINGTON, Oct 28 (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff and other top White House officials braced for criminal charges on Friday from the federal grand jury investigating the leak of a covert CIA operative's identity.
The grand jury was expected to convene in the morning to consider the first charges in the two-year probe led by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.
Legal sources involved in the case said Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Libby, appeared likely to be charged with making false statements to the grand jury.
Fitzgerald has also zeroed in on Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's top political adviser, possibly for perjury. But lawyers involved in the case said Fitzgerald may not be prepared at this time to bring charges against Rove.
The New York Times, citing people briefed officially about the case, said Rove would not be indicted along with Libby on Friday but would remain under investigation.
Despite initial denials, both Rove and Libby spoke to reporters in June and July 2003 about the CIA operative, Valerie Plame.
It was unclear how Fitzgerald would keep the Rove investigation going since the current grand jury is scheduled to expire on Friday.
The Times said Fitzgerald was likely to extend its term. But federal guidelines suggest that Fitzgerald would have to seek a new grand jury because the current one has served the maximum allowable amount of time.
Other current and former administration officials could also face charges on Friday, lawyers said.
Indictments in the case could trigger an immediate shake-up at the White House, already on the defensive over the response to Hurricane Katrina, opposition to the Iraq war and the withdrawal of Bush's nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court, Harriet Miers.
Plame's identity was leaked to the media after her diplomat husband, Joseph Wilson, accused the Bush administration of twisting prewar intelligence to support military action against Iraq. Wilson said it was done deliberately to erode his credibility.
Libby was a key, behind-the-scenes figure in helping build the administration's case for the invasion of Iraq.
In the run-up to Friday's grand jury session, Fitzgerald conferred in secret with his legal team and with attorneys representing some of the potential defendants, including Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin.
WHITE HOUSE ANXIOUS
One lawyer involved in the case said the attorneys made final appeals to Fitzgerald to try to avoid indictment, raising the prospect of last-minute plea agreements.
When asked whether Rove was trying to negotiate Fitzgerald down to a lesser charge, Luskin responded: "False."
White House officials have been anxiously awaiting Fitzgerald's decision since any indicted officials were expected to immediately resign. Bush was then likely to make a public statement.
"He (Rove) is the president's right arm, as we all know. And the president's in a deep hole and it's very hard to climb out of a hole without your right arm," David Gergen, a former aide to presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, told CNN's Larry King.
In a last-minute flurry of interviews, FBI agents canvassed Plame's neighborhood to see if anyone knew about her covert work for the spy agency before her cover was blown in a July 14, 2003, newspaper column by Robert Novak.
Both Libby and Rove have been advised by the prosecutor that they could be indicted, though not necessarily for knowingly revealing Plame's identity.
Legal sources said Rove could instead face perjury charges for initially failing to tell the grand jury he talked to Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper about Plame.
Lawyers said Libby was open to false statement and obstruction charges because of contradictions between his testimony and that of New York Times reporter Judith Miller and other journalists.
According to a recent New York Times report, Libby first learned about Plame in a conversation with Cheney on June 12, 2003. That account appears to be at odds with Libby's testimony to the grand jury that he first learned about the CIA officer from reporters.
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White House braces for likely charges over CIA leak
By Adam Entous
WASHINGTON, Oct 28 (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff and other top White House officials braced for criminal charges on Friday from the federal grand jury investigating the leak of a covert CIA operative's identity.
The grand jury was expected to convene in the morning to consider the first charges in the two-year probe led by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.
Legal sources involved in the case said Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Libby, appeared likely to be charged with making false statements to the grand jury.
Fitzgerald has also zeroed in on Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's top political adviser, possibly for perjury. But lawyers involved in the case said Fitzgerald may not be prepared at this time to bring charges against Rove.
The New York Times, citing people briefed officially about the case, said Rove would not be indicted along with Libby on Friday but would remain under investigation.
Despite initial denials, both Rove and Libby spoke to reporters in June and July 2003 about the CIA operative, Valerie Plame.
It was unclear how Fitzgerald would keep the Rove investigation going since the current grand jury is scheduled to expire on Friday.
The Times said Fitzgerald was likely to extend its term. But federal guidelines suggest that Fitzgerald would have to seek a new grand jury because the current one has served the maximum allowable amount of time.
Other current and former administration officials could also face charges on Friday, lawyers said.
Indictments in the case could trigger an immediate shake-up at the White House, already on the defensive over the response to Hurricane Katrina, opposition to the Iraq war and the withdrawal of Bush's nominee for the U.S. Supreme Court, Harriet Miers.
Plame's identity was leaked to the media after her diplomat husband, Joseph Wilson, accused the Bush administration of twisting prewar intelligence to support military action against Iraq. Wilson said it was done deliberately to erode his credibility.
Libby was a key, behind-the-scenes figure in helping build the administration's case for the invasion of Iraq.
In the run-up to Friday's grand jury session, Fitzgerald conferred in secret with his legal team and with attorneys representing some of the potential defendants, including Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin.
WHITE HOUSE ANXIOUS
One lawyer involved in the case said the attorneys made final appeals to Fitzgerald to try to avoid indictment, raising the prospect of last-minute plea agreements.
When asked whether Rove was trying to negotiate Fitzgerald down to a lesser charge, Luskin responded: "False."
White House officials have been anxiously awaiting Fitzgerald's decision since any indicted officials were expected to immediately resign. Bush was then likely to make a public statement.
"He (Rove) is the president's right arm, as we all know. And the president's in a deep hole and it's very hard to climb out of a hole without your right arm," David Gergen, a former aide to presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, told CNN's Larry King.
In a last-minute flurry of interviews, FBI agents canvassed Plame's neighborhood to see if anyone knew about her covert work for the spy agency before her cover was blown in a July 14, 2003, newspaper column by Robert Novak.
Both Libby and Rove have been advised by the prosecutor that they could be indicted, though not necessarily for knowingly revealing Plame's identity.
Legal sources said Rove could instead face perjury charges for initially failing to tell the grand jury he talked to Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper about Plame.
Lawyers said Libby was open to false statement and obstruction charges because of contradictions between his testimony and that of New York Times reporter Judith Miller and other journalists.
According to a recent New York Times report, Libby first learned about Plame in a conversation with Cheney on June 12, 2003. That account appears to be at odds with Libby's testimony to the grand jury that he first learned about the CIA officer from reporters.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Leak probe details to be released at noon ET
Rove indictment not expected but Libby may face perjury charges
NBC News and news services
Updated: 9:24 a.m. ET Oct. 28, 2005
WASHINGTON - Presidential confidant Karl Rove has been told he will not be indicted Friday but remains under investigation in the case over who leaked the name of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, sources close to the inquiry told NBC News.
In addition, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is expected to release some documents in the case around noon ET and then hold a press conference at the Justice Department at 2 p.m. ET.
The New York Times earlier cited sources as saying that Fitzgerald was likely to extend the grand jury investigating the exposure beyond Friday, when its two-year term expires. Fitzgerald was meeting with the grand jury Friday morning.
The Times also cited lawyers involved in the case as saying they expected Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, would be indicted on charges of making false statements to the grand jury.
Cheney arrived at the White House Friday at 6:25 a.m., more than an hour earlier than usual. Libby was seen leaving home about 6:15 a.m., his normal commuting time.
For now, business as usual
On Thursday, Rove attended the daily meeting of the senior staff and met with the president late in the evening, at the end of a day in which the White House dealt with the withdrawal of Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers. Libby was said to have passed up the staff meeting to attend a security briefing.
Possible charges are obstruction of justice or perjury, along with possible violations of a law barring disclosure of the identity of a covert intelligence agent.
Some lawyers have raised the specter of broader conspiracy charges as well.
When the investigation began two years ago, a White House spokesman checked with Rove and Libby, then assured the public that neither was involved in leaking Plame’s identity.
In the past month, it was revealed that Libby spoke to New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who says their conversations included Plame’s CIA status.
Rove’s legal problems stem in part from the fact that he failed initially to disclose to prosecutors a conversation in which he told Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper that Plame worked for the CIA. The president’s top political adviser says the conversation slipped his mind.
Columnist Robert Novak revealed Plame’s name and her CIA status on July 14, 2003. That was five days after Novak talked to Rove and eight days after Plame’s husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, published an opinion article in the Times accusing the Bush administration of twisting intelligence to exaggerate the threat posed by Iraq.
Wilson and his supporters have charged the leak of Plame’s name, which ended her ability to work undercover for the CIA, was designed to discredit him and punish him for his criticism and intimidate others inside the government critical of Bush’s Iraq policies.
Uranium yellowcake
Also in the backdrop of Fitzgerald’s investigation is a set of forged documents that stated Iraq was acquiring uranium yellowcake from the African nation of Niger. Wilson had been sent by the CIA to Africa to investigate such reports, later used by Bush to help justify the war in Iraq.
On Thursday, the White House disputed an Italian news report relating to those forgeries, which the FBI is continuing to investigate.
The news report and speculation on Internet blogs have said that National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley may have received bogus information three years ago from an Italian intelligence chief about Iraq’s nuclear ambitions.
National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said Hadley met briefly on Sept. 9, 2002, with Nicolo Pollari, the head of Italian military intelligence, but the subject of Iraq’s supposed uranium deal with Niger is not believed to have come up.
The meeting occurred a month before documents, later determined to be forgeries, surfaced in Italy claiming to show Saddam Hussein’s regime had an agreement to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger. After his trip to Niger, Wilson reported he could not substantiate any uranium sales to Iraq.
The Hadley-Pollari meeting was a courtesy call that lasted fewer than 15 minutes and “no one present has any recollection of yellowcake being discussed or documents being provided,” Jones said.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Source: MSNBC
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Goed, Rove ontspringt de dans voorlopig, Libby valt vermoedelijk, ik ben benieuwd.
We schelen 6 uur, dat betekent om 20:00 CNN aan, de persconferentie is om 2 p.m. ET.
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Rove indictment not expected but Libby may face perjury charges
NBC News and news services
Updated: 9:24 a.m. ET Oct. 28, 2005
WASHINGTON - Presidential confidant Karl Rove has been told he will not be indicted Friday but remains under investigation in the case over who leaked the name of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame, sources close to the inquiry told NBC News.
In addition, Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is expected to release some documents in the case around noon ET and then hold a press conference at the Justice Department at 2 p.m. ET.
The New York Times earlier cited sources as saying that Fitzgerald was likely to extend the grand jury investigating the exposure beyond Friday, when its two-year term expires. Fitzgerald was meeting with the grand jury Friday morning.
The Times also cited lawyers involved in the case as saying they expected Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, would be indicted on charges of making false statements to the grand jury.
Cheney arrived at the White House Friday at 6:25 a.m., more than an hour earlier than usual. Libby was seen leaving home about 6:15 a.m., his normal commuting time.
For now, business as usual
On Thursday, Rove attended the daily meeting of the senior staff and met with the president late in the evening, at the end of a day in which the White House dealt with the withdrawal of Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers. Libby was said to have passed up the staff meeting to attend a security briefing.
Possible charges are obstruction of justice or perjury, along with possible violations of a law barring disclosure of the identity of a covert intelligence agent.
Some lawyers have raised the specter of broader conspiracy charges as well.
When the investigation began two years ago, a White House spokesman checked with Rove and Libby, then assured the public that neither was involved in leaking Plame’s identity.
In the past month, it was revealed that Libby spoke to New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who says their conversations included Plame’s CIA status.
Rove’s legal problems stem in part from the fact that he failed initially to disclose to prosecutors a conversation in which he told Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper that Plame worked for the CIA. The president’s top political adviser says the conversation slipped his mind.
Columnist Robert Novak revealed Plame’s name and her CIA status on July 14, 2003. That was five days after Novak talked to Rove and eight days after Plame’s husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, published an opinion article in the Times accusing the Bush administration of twisting intelligence to exaggerate the threat posed by Iraq.
Wilson and his supporters have charged the leak of Plame’s name, which ended her ability to work undercover for the CIA, was designed to discredit him and punish him for his criticism and intimidate others inside the government critical of Bush’s Iraq policies.
Uranium yellowcake
Also in the backdrop of Fitzgerald’s investigation is a set of forged documents that stated Iraq was acquiring uranium yellowcake from the African nation of Niger. Wilson had been sent by the CIA to Africa to investigate such reports, later used by Bush to help justify the war in Iraq.
On Thursday, the White House disputed an Italian news report relating to those forgeries, which the FBI is continuing to investigate.
The news report and speculation on Internet blogs have said that National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley may have received bogus information three years ago from an Italian intelligence chief about Iraq’s nuclear ambitions.
National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said Hadley met briefly on Sept. 9, 2002, with Nicolo Pollari, the head of Italian military intelligence, but the subject of Iraq’s supposed uranium deal with Niger is not believed to have come up.
The meeting occurred a month before documents, later determined to be forgeries, surfaced in Italy claiming to show Saddam Hussein’s regime had an agreement to buy 500 tons of uranium from Niger. After his trip to Niger, Wilson reported he could not substantiate any uranium sales to Iraq.
The Hadley-Pollari meeting was a courtesy call that lasted fewer than 15 minutes and “no one present has any recollection of yellowcake being discussed or documents being provided,” Jones said.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Source: MSNBC
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Goed, Rove ontspringt de dans voorlopig, Libby valt vermoedelijk, ik ben benieuwd.
We schelen 6 uur, dat betekent om 20:00 CNN aan, de persconferentie is om 2 p.m. ET.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Hallulama op 28-10-2005 15:54:55 ]
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Zowat de hele Bush administration valt uit elkaar, maar Bush tiert weer es over 9/11. Die toespraken worden een beetje eentonig.
National terror advisory: CODE RED
These gyus go with a ' big bang ' !!!
Ik hoop uit de grond van mijn hart, dat het een politieke big bang wordt.
Het is al een tijdje bezig overigens, niet de persconferentie, maar de shit before that.
Libby afgetreden, maar wat denkt men hier? Zou Libby dit op eigen houtje hebben geregeld?
Zoiets als:
"Oh jee, die Wilson zegt stoute dingen betreffende de oorlog met Irak, laat ik zijn vrouw haar identiteit maar eens even prijsgeven, als wraak actie."
Nah, I'm definitely not buying that!
Bovendien zegt de scroll op CNN dat Cheney Libby vertelde over Plame haar identiteit, en Cheney zit nog altijd op z'n stoel. De vraag is of Cheney nog meer heeft gezegd behalve wie Plame is, bijvoorbeeld, "doe er iets nuttigs mee", maar misschien ga ik nu te ver.
Dit is hoe dan ook niet het einde van het verhaal.
Libby afgetreden, maar wat denkt men hier? Zou Libby dit op eigen houtje hebben geregeld?
Zoiets als:
"Oh jee, die Wilson zegt stoute dingen betreffende de oorlog met Irak, laat ik zijn vrouw haar identiteit maar eens even prijsgeven, als wraak actie."
Nah, I'm definitely not buying that!
Bovendien zegt de scroll op CNN dat Cheney Libby vertelde over Plame haar identiteit, en Cheney zit nog altijd op z'n stoel. De vraag is of Cheney nog meer heeft gezegd behalve wie Plame is, bijvoorbeeld, "doe er iets nuttigs mee", maar misschien ga ik nu te ver.
Dit is hoe dan ook niet het einde van het verhaal.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Daar is dan ook niets illegaals aan.quote:Op vrijdag 28 oktober 2005 19:22 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Bovendien zegt de scroll op CNN dat Cheney Libby vertelde over Plame's haar identiteit, en Cheney zit nog altijd op z'n stoel.
Als dat alles is niet, maar eerst eens zien hoe Libby zich gaat verweren de komende tijd.
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
spannend..
maar dat dat zootje daar niet te vertrouwen is is al wel langer diudelijk.
maar dat dat zootje daar niet te vertrouwen is is al wel langer diudelijk.
"Whatever the mind of man can conceive and believe, it can achieve" Napoleon Hill
Van CNN.com:
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Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, was indicted by federal grand jury Friday on charges related to the investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's name to the media.
Libby was indicted on one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements, court documents show.
- According to an Office of Special Counsel press release, "if convicted, the crimes charged in the indictment carry the following maximum penalties:Obstruction of justice -- 10 years in prison;
- Making false statements and perjury -- each 5 years.
- Each count carries a maximum fine of $250,000."
That means the maximum penalties would be 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines. "The court would determine the appropriate sentence to be imposed," the press release said.
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Er is tot op heden dus nog niemand beschuldigd van het lekken van de identiteit, zou dat wellicht nog komen? Sommige media rapporteren dat 't een lastige kwestie is, om iemand daarvoor veroordeeld te krijgen, maar Fitzgerald zei tijdens de persconferentie dat het lekken nou eenmaal illegaal is omdat haar identiteit geheim was.
Indictment doesn't clear up mystery at heart of CIA leak probe
Reuters schrijft verder:
"Any charges brought by the grand jury could be sealed, preventing an immediate public announcement by the court or the prosecutor."
Dus het blijft inderdaad nog even spannend ja
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Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, was indicted by federal grand jury Friday on charges related to the investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's name to the media.
Libby was indicted on one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements, court documents show.
- According to an Office of Special Counsel press release, "if convicted, the crimes charged in the indictment carry the following maximum penalties:Obstruction of justice -- 10 years in prison;
- Making false statements and perjury -- each 5 years.
- Each count carries a maximum fine of $250,000."
That means the maximum penalties would be 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines. "The court would determine the appropriate sentence to be imposed," the press release said.
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Er is tot op heden dus nog niemand beschuldigd van het lekken van de identiteit, zou dat wellicht nog komen? Sommige media rapporteren dat 't een lastige kwestie is, om iemand daarvoor veroordeeld te krijgen, maar Fitzgerald zei tijdens de persconferentie dat het lekken nou eenmaal illegaal is omdat haar identiteit geheim was.
Indictment doesn't clear up mystery at heart of CIA leak probe
Reuters schrijft verder:
"Any charges brought by the grand jury could be sealed, preventing an immediate public announcement by the court or the prosecutor."
Dus het blijft inderdaad nog even spannend ja
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
En daar hebben we weer een leuke:
But it is very possible that the prosecutor looks up the food chain to Vice President Cheney. These investigations have a way of rising. And according to the terms of the indictment, Cheney told Libby about Valerie Plame and then Libby lied to the grand jury about how he found about it, saying that he got it from a reporter. Well, if that’s the case, the vice president knew that Libby was lying.
And it wasn’t like his grand jury was secret. It was all over the place, you could read it in any newspaper. So my question is, why didn’t the vice president say anything? Why didn’t he speak up? And when you’re out there committing perjury and your boss is silent, and your boss knows that you’re doing that, it’s [the silence is] a subtle signal from your boss to say, “I appreciate it."
http://movies.crooksandli(...)on-Morris-Cheney.wmv
But it is very possible that the prosecutor looks up the food chain to Vice President Cheney. These investigations have a way of rising. And according to the terms of the indictment, Cheney told Libby about Valerie Plame and then Libby lied to the grand jury about how he found about it, saying that he got it from a reporter. Well, if that’s the case, the vice president knew that Libby was lying.
And it wasn’t like his grand jury was secret. It was all over the place, you could read it in any newspaper. So my question is, why didn’t the vice president say anything? Why didn’t he speak up? And when you’re out there committing perjury and your boss is silent, and your boss knows that you’re doing that, it’s [the silence is] a subtle signal from your boss to say, “I appreciate it."
http://movies.crooksandli(...)on-Morris-Cheney.wmv
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Don't get your hopes up just yet.
bron: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/29/leak.probe.ap/index.html
POL: CNN - special: CIA lek
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newsflash:
bron & meer: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/29/leak.probe.ap/index.html
bron: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/29/leak.probe.ap/index.html
POL: CNN - special: CIA lek
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newsflash:
------------quote:WASHINGTON (AP) -- The lawyer for Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide has begun to outline a possible criminal defense that is a tradition in Washington scandals: A busy official immersed in important duties cannot reasonably be expected to remember details of long-ago conversations.
Friday's indictment of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby involves allegations that as Cheney's chief of staff he lied to FBI agents and a federal grand jury.
Libby, who resigned immediately, was operating amid "the hectic rush of issues and events at a busy time for our government," according to a statement released by his attorney, Joseph Tate.
bron & meer: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/29/leak.probe.ap/index.html
quote:Previous defenses varied in success
The lack-of-memory defense has worked with varying degrees of success in controversies from Iran-Contra to Whitewater.
Bovenstaande tekst = C C 3.0 NL BY-NC-ND - quotes inkorten uitgezonderd.
En hier is het begonnen. Het artikel in de New York Times van 07/06/2003 geschreven door Joseph C. Wilson.
Joseph C. Wilson laat zich kritisch uit over de wijze waarop de Bush administratie de Iraqi dreiging aanpakt en vooral de wijze waarmee omgegaan word met intelligentierapporten.
En dit gebaseerd op Mr Wilson zijn eigen ervaring, hij was nameljjk degene die de dreiging en/of de omstandigheden omtrent de uraniumverkoop moest onderzoeken in Niger.
De bevindingen van de Bush administratie waren in contrast met de officiele amerikaanse rapporten. Mr Wilson zijn rapport dus.
De reaktie van de Bush administratie was het ontmakeren van Mr wilson zijn vrouw. De CIA agent/ spion Valerie Plame, dit staat in de VS gelijk aan hoogverraad.
Een officieel onderzoek onder leiding van Patrick Fitzgerald leid nu tot officiele inbeschuldigingen met name Scooter Libby, de rechterhand van Dick Cheney.
En laat ons hopen dat Mr Fitzgerald tijdens zijn 2 jaar vooronderzoek goed heeft nagedacht, de juiste strategie heeft uitgedokterd en de juiste stappen zet.
En wie weet wat er dan nog uit de bus komt.
Joseph C. Wilson
Uit respect voor Joseph C. Wilson het hele artikel;
Better watch out if you mess with me
Het lijkt erop dat dit een historisch artikel word.
Joseph C. Wilson laat zich kritisch uit over de wijze waarop de Bush administratie de Iraqi dreiging aanpakt en vooral de wijze waarmee omgegaan word met intelligentierapporten.
En dit gebaseerd op Mr Wilson zijn eigen ervaring, hij was nameljjk degene die de dreiging en/of de omstandigheden omtrent de uraniumverkoop moest onderzoeken in Niger.
De bevindingen van de Bush administratie waren in contrast met de officiele amerikaanse rapporten. Mr Wilson zijn rapport dus.
De reaktie van de Bush administratie was het ontmakeren van Mr wilson zijn vrouw. De CIA agent/ spion Valerie Plame, dit staat in de VS gelijk aan hoogverraad.
Een officieel onderzoek onder leiding van Patrick Fitzgerald leid nu tot officiele inbeschuldigingen met name Scooter Libby, de rechterhand van Dick Cheney.
En laat ons hopen dat Mr Fitzgerald tijdens zijn 2 jaar vooronderzoek goed heeft nagedacht, de juiste strategie heeft uitgedokterd en de juiste stappen zet.
En wie weet wat er dan nog uit de bus komt.
Joseph C. Wilson
Uit respect voor Joseph C. Wilson het hele artikel;
quote:What I Didn't Find in Africa
By JOSEPH C. WILSON 4th
07/06/03: (New York Times) WASHINGTON. Did the Bush administration manipulate intelligence about Saddam Hussein's weapons programs to justify an invasion of Iraq?
Based on my experience with the administration in the months leading up to the war, I have little choice but to conclude that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.
For 23 years, from 1976 to 1998, I was a career foreign service officer and ambassador. In 1990, as chargé d'affaires in Baghdad, I was the last American diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein. (I was also a forceful advocate for his removal from Kuwait.) After Iraq, I was President George H. W. Bush's ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé and Príncipe; under President Bill Clinton, I helped direct Africa policy for the National Security Council.
It was my experience in Africa that led me to play a small role in the effort to verify information about Africa's suspected link to Iraq's nonconventional weapons programs. Those news stories about that unnamed former envoy who went to Niger? That's me.
In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.
After consulting with the State Department's African Affairs Bureau (and through it with Barbro Owens-Kirkpatrick, the United States ambassador to Niger), I agreed to make the trip. The mission I undertook was discreet but by no means secret. While the C.I.A. paid my expenses (my time was offered pro bono), I made it abundantly clear to everyone I met that I was acting on behalf of the United States government.
In late February 2002, I arrived in Niger's capital, Niamey, where I had been a diplomat in the mid-70's and visited as a National Security Council official in the late 90's. The city was much as I remembered it. Seasonal winds had clogged the air with dust and sand. Through the haze, I could see camel caravans crossing the Niger River (over the John F. Kennedy bridge), the setting sun behind them. Most people had wrapped scarves around their faces to protect against the grit, leaving only their eyes visible.
The next morning, I met with Ambassador Owens-Kirkpatrick at the embassy. For reasons that are understandable, the embassy staff has always kept a close eye on Niger's uranium business. I was not surprised, then, when the ambassador told me that she knew about the allegations of uranium sales to Iraq — and that she felt she had already debunked them in her reports to Washington. Nevertheless, she and I agreed that my time would be best spent interviewing people who had been in government when the deal supposedly took place, which was before her arrival.
I spent the next eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people: current government officials, former government officials, people associated with the country's uranium business. It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place.
Given the structure of the consortiums that operated the mines, it would be exceedingly difficult for Niger to transfer uranium to Iraq. Niger's uranium business consists of two mines, Somair and Cominak, which are run by French, Spanish, Japanese, German and Nigerian interests. If the government wanted to remove uranium from a mine, it would have to notify the consortium, which in turn is strictly monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Moreover, because the two mines are closely regulated, quasi-governmental entities, selling uranium would require the approval of the minister of mines, the prime minister and probably the president. In short, there's simply too much oversight over too small an industry for a sale to have transpired.
(As for the actual memorandum, I never saw it. But news accounts have pointed out that the documents had glaring errors — they were signed, for example, by officials who were no longer in government — and were probably forged. And then there's the fact that Niger formally denied the charges.)
Before I left Niger, I briefed the ambassador on my findings, which were consistent with her own. I also shared my conclusions with members of her staff. In early March, I arrived in Washington and promptly provided a detailed briefing to the C.I.A. I later shared my conclusions with the State Department African Affairs Bureau. There was nothing secret or earth-shattering in my report, just as there was nothing secret about my trip.
Though I did not file a written report, there should be at least four documents in United States government archives confirming my mission. The documents should include the ambassador's report of my debriefing in Niamey, a separate report written by the embassy staff, a C.I.A. report summing up my trip, and a specific answer from the agency to the office of the vice president (this may have been delivered orally). While I have not seen any of these reports, I have spent enough time in government to know that this is standard operating procedure.
I thought the Niger matter was settled and went back to my life. (I did take part in the Iraq debate, arguing that a strict containment regime backed by the threat of force was preferable to an invasion.) In September 2002, however, Niger re-emerged. The British government published a "white paper" asserting that Saddam Hussein and his unconventional arms posed an immediate danger. As evidence, the report cited Iraq's attempts to purchase uranium from an African country.
Then, in January, President Bush, citing the British dossier, repeated the charges about Iraqi efforts to buy uranium from Africa.
The next day, I reminded a friend at the State Department of my trip and suggested that if the president had been referring to Niger, then his conclusion was not borne out by the facts as I understood them. He replied that perhaps the president was speaking about one of the other three African countries that produce uranium: Gabon, South Africa or Namibia. At the time, I accepted the explanation. I didn't know that in December, a month before the president's address, the State Department had published a fact sheet that mentioned the Niger case.
Those are the facts surrounding my efforts. The vice president's office asked a serious question. I was asked to help formulate the answer. I did so, and I have every confidence that the answer I provided was circulated to the appropriate officials within our government.
The question now is how that answer was or was not used by our political leadership. If my information was deemed inaccurate, I understand (though I would be very interested to know why). If, however, the information was ignored because it did not fit certain preconceptions about Iraq, then a legitimate argument can be made that we went to war under false pretenses. (It's worth remembering that in his March "Meet the Press" appearance, Mr. Cheney said that Saddam Hussein was "trying once again to produce nuclear weapons.") At a minimum, Congress, which authorized the use of military force at the president's behest, should want to know if the assertions about Iraq were warranted.
I was convinced before the war that the threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein required a vigorous and sustained international response to disarm him. Iraq possessed and had used chemical weapons; it had an active biological weapons program and quite possibly a nuclear research program — all of which were in violation of United Nations resolutions. Having encountered Mr. Hussein and his thugs in the run-up to the Persian Gulf war of 1991, I was only too aware of the dangers he posed.
But were these dangers the same ones the administration told us about? We have to find out. America's foreign policy depends on the sanctity of its information. For this reason, questioning the selective use of intelligence to justify the war in Iraq is neither idle sniping nor "revisionist history," as Mr. Bush has suggested. The act of war is the last option of a democracy, taken when there is a grave threat to our national security. More than 200 American soldiers have lost their lives in Iraq already. We have a duty to ensure that their sacrifice came for the right reasons.
Joseph C. Wilson 4th, United States ambassador to Gabon from 1992 to 1995, is an international business consultant
(C) Copyright New York Times
Better watch out if you mess with me
Het lijkt erop dat dit een historisch artikel word.
Nice find Francorex, en het volgende artikel over een aanverwant Italiaans schandaal past er keurig achter. Het laat zien waarom Wilson z'n verhaal niet overeen kwam met het verhaal betreffende de bevindingen van de Bush administratie. De Italiaanse geheime dienst heeft schijnbaar vervalste documenten aan de Amerikaanse regering overhandigd, en op die documenten baseerde de Bush administratie zich wat betreft het Irak-Niger / Uranium verhaal.
Een maand voordat de vervalste documenten opdoken is er toevallig ook nog eens een ontmoeting geweest tussen de chef van de Italiaanse inlichtingendienst en Bush z'n nationale veiligheidsadviseur Stephen Hadley.
Fantastisch hoe het plaatje zo steeds helderder wordt, beetje bij beetje, wat een spel wordt hier gespeeld, het is ongelofelijk, ik denk dat Stephen Spielberg tevens druk bezig is met het maken van notities
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La Repubblica's Scoop, Confirmed
Italy's intelligence chief met with Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley just a month before the Niger forgeries first surfaced.
By Laura Rozen
Web Exclusive: 10.25.05
With Patrick Fitzgerald widely expected to announce indictments in the CIA leak investigation, questions are again being raised about the intelligence scandal that led to the appointment of the special counsel: namely, how the Bush White House obtained false Italian intelligence reports claiming that Iraq had tried to buy uranium "yellowcake" from Niger.
The key documents supposedly proving the Iraqi attempt later turned out to be crude forgeries, created on official stationery stolen from the African nation's Rome embassy. Among the most tantalizing aspects of the debate over the Iraq War is the origin of those fake documents -- and the role of the Italian intelligence services in disseminating them.
...
Was the White House convinced that the Niger yellowcake report was nevertheless true because the National Security Council was getting its information directly from the Italian source?
Following the exposure of the discredited Niger allegations in the summer of 2003 by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, White House officials at first sought to blame the CIA for the inclusion of the controversial "16 words" in the president's speech. Although then–National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and her deputy Hadley eventually accepted some responsibility for the mistake, the White House undertook a covert campaign to discredit Wilson and exposed the CIA affiliation of his wife, Valerie Plame Wilson.
Meer op: The American Prospect
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Alt-F4.org schijft er ook over:
"Rond de jaarwisseling van 2000/2001 wordt er ingebroken in de ambassade van Niger in Rome. Een derderangs inbraakje, want er ontbreken alleen een horloge en wat parfumflesjes. Of niet? Iedereen op de ambassade denkt tegenwoordig dat er ook wat briefpapier is meegenomen."
Een maand voordat de vervalste documenten opdoken is er toevallig ook nog eens een ontmoeting geweest tussen de chef van de Italiaanse inlichtingendienst en Bush z'n nationale veiligheidsadviseur Stephen Hadley.
Fantastisch hoe het plaatje zo steeds helderder wordt, beetje bij beetje, wat een spel wordt hier gespeeld, het is ongelofelijk, ik denk dat Stephen Spielberg tevens druk bezig is met het maken van notities
---
La Repubblica's Scoop, Confirmed
Italy's intelligence chief met with Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley just a month before the Niger forgeries first surfaced.
By Laura Rozen
Web Exclusive: 10.25.05
With Patrick Fitzgerald widely expected to announce indictments in the CIA leak investigation, questions are again being raised about the intelligence scandal that led to the appointment of the special counsel: namely, how the Bush White House obtained false Italian intelligence reports claiming that Iraq had tried to buy uranium "yellowcake" from Niger.
The key documents supposedly proving the Iraqi attempt later turned out to be crude forgeries, created on official stationery stolen from the African nation's Rome embassy. Among the most tantalizing aspects of the debate over the Iraq War is the origin of those fake documents -- and the role of the Italian intelligence services in disseminating them.
...
Was the White House convinced that the Niger yellowcake report was nevertheless true because the National Security Council was getting its information directly from the Italian source?
Following the exposure of the discredited Niger allegations in the summer of 2003 by former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, White House officials at first sought to blame the CIA for the inclusion of the controversial "16 words" in the president's speech. Although then–National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and her deputy Hadley eventually accepted some responsibility for the mistake, the White House undertook a covert campaign to discredit Wilson and exposed the CIA affiliation of his wife, Valerie Plame Wilson.
Meer op: The American Prospect
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Alt-F4.org schijft er ook over:
"Rond de jaarwisseling van 2000/2001 wordt er ingebroken in de ambassade van Niger in Rome. Een derderangs inbraakje, want er ontbreken alleen een horloge en wat parfumflesjes. Of niet? Iedereen op de ambassade denkt tegenwoordig dat er ook wat briefpapier is meegenomen."
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
De roversbende die de Bush-Clinton dynastie omringt, begint hun vaste voet te verliezen.quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 02:16 schreef Braamhaar het volgende:
Iemand in voor 'n Nederlandse samenvatting?
HGW XX/7 gewidmet, in Dankbarkeit.
:-)quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 02:21 schreef sooty het volgende:
[..]
De roversbende die de Bush-Clinton dynastie omringt, begint hun vaste voet te verliezen.
Slechts de poppetjes zullen vervangen worden.
Dat zou jammer zijn.quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 02:28 schreef Braamhaar het volgende:
Slechts de poppetjes zullen vervangen worden.
Regime VS vernieuwen, terugtrekken uit Irak, klaar voor Iran?
( Waarom Iran het volgende doel is )
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
De zooi is helaas meer verrot dan je denkt.quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 02:56 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
[..]
Dat zou jammer zijn.
Regime VS vernieuwen, terugtrekken uit Irak, klaar voor Iran?
( Waarom Iran het volgende doel is )
Ja deze zaak gaat steeds dieper en dieper, meer en meer details raken bekend, maar waarom toch?
Deze zaak toont duidelijk aan hoe graag de bush administratie naar Irak wou, kost wa kost, toont nogmaal aan wie de agressor is in dit conflict.
Maar goed,
Wat ik me afvraag is wie of wat zit er achter Joseph Wilson, kan me namelijk moeilijk voorstellen dat het interview in de New York Times toevallig verscheen, ik bedoel maar dit is politieke intrige op het hoogste niveau. Mr. Wilson moet toch geweten hebben wat voor gevolgen zijn acties zouden kunnen hebben, allerminst 'patriotisch' en dan moet je sterk in je schoenen staan . Zeer sterk.
En dan nog, alleen ?
Mijn vermoeden is dat Mr. Wilsen het gezicht is van een grotere groep die uit zijn op ...?
Kijk naar de Downingmemo, die word probleemloos getackeld, nochthans daar word zwart op wit aangetoond. De leugens, de intentie /vooringenoomheid om ten oorlog te trekken.
Dus de vraag is wie of wat zorgt ervoor dat deze zaak niet word getackeld, hardnekkig blijft terugkomen en uiteindelijk nu het hart van de Bush regering treft?
Spannend
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door francorex op 30-10-2005 07:06:42 ]
Deze zaak toont duidelijk aan hoe graag de bush administratie naar Irak wou, kost wa kost, toont nogmaal aan wie de agressor is in dit conflict.
Maar goed,
Wat ik me afvraag is wie of wat zit er achter Joseph Wilson, kan me namelijk moeilijk voorstellen dat het interview in de New York Times toevallig verscheen, ik bedoel maar dit is politieke intrige op het hoogste niveau. Mr. Wilson moet toch geweten hebben wat voor gevolgen zijn acties zouden kunnen hebben, allerminst 'patriotisch' en dan moet je sterk in je schoenen staan . Zeer sterk.
En dan nog, alleen ?
Mijn vermoeden is dat Mr. Wilsen het gezicht is van een grotere groep die uit zijn op ...?
Kijk naar de Downingmemo, die word probleemloos getackeld, nochthans daar word zwart op wit aangetoond. De leugens, de intentie /vooringenoomheid om ten oorlog te trekken.
Dus de vraag is wie of wat zorgt ervoor dat deze zaak niet word getackeld, hardnekkig blijft terugkomen en uiteindelijk nu het hart van de Bush regering treft?
Spannend
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door francorex op 30-10-2005 07:06:42 ]
Wat denk je zelf?quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 02:11 schreef francorex het volgende:
Ja deze zaak gaat steeds dieper en dieper, meer en meer details raken bekend, maar waarom toch?
Deze zaak toont duidelijk aan hoe graag de bush administratie naar Irak wou, kost wa kost, toont nogmaal aan wie de agressor is in dit conflict.
Maar goed,
Wat ik me afvraag is wie of wat zit er achter Joseph Wilson, kan me namelijk moeilijk voorstellen dat het interview in de New York Times toevallig verscheen, ik bedoel maar dit is politieke intrige op het hoogste niveau. Mr. Wilson moet toch geweten hebben wat voor gevolgen zijn acties zouden kunnen hebben, allerminst 'patriotisch' en dan moet je sterk in je schoenen staan . Zeer sterk.
En dan nog, alleen ?
Mijn vermoeden is dat Mr. Wilsen het gezicht is van een groetere groep die uit zijn op ...?
Kijk naar de Downingmemo, die word probleemloos getackeld, nochthans daar word zwart op wit aangetoond de leugens, de intentie /vooringenoomheid om ten oorlog te trekken.
Dus de vraag is wie of wat zorgt ervoor dat deze zaak niet word getackeld, hardnekkig blijft terugkomen en uiteindelijk nu het hart van de Bush regering treft?
Spannend
Zelfs je intuitie kan antwoord geven...
Drie afdelingen:
1. Planning
2. Operations
3. Release
...werken samen rond de klok, en wanneer het volk eindelijk een bepaalde situatie heeft begrepen of ontcijfert (dankzij de afdeling Release), zijn de afdelingen Planning en Operations alweer bezig met het plannen en uitvoeren van nieuwe gebeurtenissen, zoiets?
Ik kwam ooit een mooie quote tegen, welke het bovenstaande keurig samenvat in één zin, maar welke ik helaas ben vergeten.
Zie overigens ook: Leuk artikel over komplot-theoretici
Het is me een race
1. Planning
2. Operations
3. Release
...werken samen rond de klok, en wanneer het volk eindelijk een bepaalde situatie heeft begrepen of ontcijfert (dankzij de afdeling Release), zijn de afdelingen Planning en Operations alweer bezig met het plannen en uitvoeren van nieuwe gebeurtenissen, zoiets?
Ik kwam ooit een mooie quote tegen, welke het bovenstaande keurig samenvat in één zin, maar welke ik helaas ben vergeten.
Zie overigens ook: Leuk artikel over komplot-theoretici
Het is me een race
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Wat bedoel je juist met je intuitie kan antwoord geven?quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 02:18 schreef Braamhaar het volgende:
[..]
Wat denk je zelf?
Zelfs je intuitie kan antwoord geven...
Ik kan geen zinnig antwoord vinden waarom nu, waarom deze zaak...
Echt niet, geen idee
Tsja. Of je nu door de hond of de kat gebeten wordt...quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 02:28 schreef Braamhaar het volgende:
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:-)
Slechts de poppetjes zullen vervangen worden.
Zelfs de poppetjes zijn om het even.
Stalin verving Lenin nadat Trotsky een icepick in zijn nek kreeg.
Egon Krenz kreeg de spreekwoordelijke icepick in zijn nek, terwijl Erich H. (dodelijk ziek) naar Chili afreisde.
Powell-Cheney-Miers. Het Bush-Clinton keizerrijk staat op instorten. Veel dank zijn we ook verschuldigd aan Colin Powell
HGW XX/7 gewidmet, in Dankbarkeit.
Bush en kornuiten zijn slechts poppetjes en daarmee vervangbaar.quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 02:28 schreef francorex het volgende:
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Wat bedoel je juist met je intuitie kan antwoord geven?
Ik kan geen zinnig antwoord vinden waarom nu, waarom deze zaak...
Echt niet, geen idee
Maar ja, wie trekt er dan aan de touwtjes....
Wie dat zijn dat weet ik niet.
Wat ik wel weet is dat daar op dat niveau 'spelletjes' gespeeld worden waar de mensheid niet bij gebaat is.
Zal misschien naif zijn van mij, maar stilletjes hoopte ik toch dat de kracht van het volk zou zegevieren, de druk van het gewone volk, de druk van de vele schandalen.quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 02:45 schreef Braamhaar het volgende:
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Bush en kornuiten zijn slechts poppetjes en daarmee vervangbaar.
Maar ja, wie trekt er dan aan de touwtjes....
Wie dat zijn dat weet ik niet.
Wat ik wel weet is dat daar op dat niveau 'spelletjes' gespeeld worden waar de mensheid niet bij gebaat is.
Maar je hebt natuurlijk een punt.
Bush blijft zolang hij voor iemand nuttig is en voorlopig is hij dat kennelijk nog , maar het word steeds moeilijker.
Voor hetzelfde geld is het gewoon het recht dat zegeviert.
Nog even geduld...
Nog even geduld...
O, ye Fountains, Meadows, Hills, and Groves
Even geduld?quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 03:23 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Voor hetzelfde geld is het gewoon het recht dat zegeviert.
Nog even geduld...
Zou mooi zijn maar ik denk dat naiefiteit zegeviert en daarmee o.a jouw 'recht' helaas niet zegeviert.
Hoop dat ik 't mis heb maar dat is een naiefe gedachtengang.
Dat zou het mooiste zijn natuurlijk.quote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 03:23 schreef Hallulama het volgende:
Voor hetzelfde geld is het gewoon het recht dat zegeviert.
Nog even geduld...
Een overwinning voor iedereen en één voor de VS.
Uiteindelijk zijn het onze vrienden , onze bondgenoten, onze handelspartners.
Amerikanen zijn hard werkende en sympathieke gasten.
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Amerikanen zijn inderdaad hardwerkend... heb al in 2 jaar geen vakantie meer gehad.
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Free people own guns! Slaves do not!
Vers van de pers
Halleluma de inkt van jouw artikel, over de italiaanse-connectie, is nog niet nat of hier is al een vervolg;
Berlusconi says warned Bush against Iraq war click
By Phil Stewart
10/29/05 "Reuters"
Halleluma de inkt van jouw artikel, over de italiaanse-connectie, is nog niet nat of hier is al een vervolg;
Berlusconi says warned Bush against Iraq war click
By Phil Stewart
10/29/05 "Reuters"
...quote:-- -- Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, on the eve of a trip to Washington, said he repeatedly tried to persuade U.S. President George W. Bush against invading Iraq.
The Italian leader voiced his unease with the military operation to topple Saddam Hussein during a television interview to be broadcast on Monday -- the same day he meets Bush.
quote:NIGER URANIUM?
The context of Berlusconi's answers in the interview were unclear since La7 only provided small excerpts.
The Italian leader has been defending himself against accusations in Italy that the country's intelligence agency, possibly after government pressure, passed-off fake documents to Washington used to bolster claims of Iraq's nuclear ambitions.
The documents purported that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from Niger.
His office has sent out two statements in the past week categorically denying the accusations, made by left-leaning La Repubblica newspaper. Sismi intelligence agency chief Nicolo Pollari is due to address a closed-door parliamentary panel over the matter on November 3.
Ok cool man, respectquote:Op zondag 30 oktober 2005 05:33 schreef Vampier het volgende:
Amerikanen zijn inderdaad hardwerkend... heb al in 2 jaar geen vakantie meer gehad.
(zonder dollen dus)
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